Re: [VFB] QFTD

[Jack Harford]

Agree with Rick - the flies I use the most are not available in fly shops.


On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 3:58 PM, 'Rick Zieger' via VFB Mail <
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> Considering many of the patterns that I tie and use are not commercially
> available, then the cost of tying is cheaper.
>
> Rick
>
>
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> *From:* Allan Fish 
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:46 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] QFTD
>
> J,
>
> You and I are in the same status.  I'm afraid to count all the shoe boxes
> of materials I have - and I can't get the lids to shut tightly on most of
> them.
>
> Save money?  Forget it.  It's like any hobby - you do it for fun, not to
> save money.  If you're doing it for work, it's no longer fun.
>
> Al
>
>
> On 6/14/16 10:19 AM, J Balmer wrote:
>
> I’d have to tie for a long time before all the supplies & gear I’ve
> purchased make it cheapJ
>
>
> *From:* 'Rick Zieger' via VFB Mail [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> ]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:50 AM
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> 
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>
> "There are two basic reasons for dressing your own imitations: (1) to get
> exactly the type of fly you want whenever you need them, in the number sand
> sizes required, and (2) to save money.  In short, fly tying is convenient
> and cheap."
>
> George Almy   "Tying & Fishing Terrestrials"
>
> Rick
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Re: p.s.: Re: [VFB] QFTD

[Jack Harford]

I find Scalawags and eccentrics to be much more interesting than "normal"
people :D


On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Allan Fish  wrote:

> p.s.:
> I also like to be around other fly tyers.  You get to meet so many neat
> people.
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> And the occasional scalawag like me.
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p.s.: Re: [VFB] QFTD

[Allan Fish]

p.s.:
I also like to be around other fly tyers.  You get to meet so many neat 
people.


And the occasional scalawag like me.

Allan

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Re: [VFB] QFTD

[Allan Fish]

I just tie because I like to do so.
Allan

On 6/14/16 7:47 PM, Phxflytyer wrote:

I don't tie to save money.

I tie because I can tie what isn't available anywhere else.

I tie because I can customize my own creations as well as the standard 
fare



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Thank You,
Alan Di Somma
Phoenix, AZ.

Some mistakes are just too much fun to make only once.



On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:58 PM, 'Rick Zieger' via VFB Mail 
> wrote:


Considering many of the patterns that I tie and use are not 
commercially available, then the cost of tying is cheaper.


Rick



*From:* Allan Fish >
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*Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:46 AM
*Subject:* Re: [VFB] QFTD

J,

You and I are in the same status.  I'm afraid to count all the shoe 
boxes of materials I have - and I can't get the lids to shut tightly 
on most of them.


Save money?  Forget it.  It's like any hobby - you do it for fun, not 
to save money.  If you're doing it for work, it's no longer fun.


Al


On 6/14/16 10:19 AM, J Balmer wrote:
I’d have to tie for a long time before all the supplies & gear I’ve 
purchased make it cheapJ

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"There are two basic reasons for dressing your own imitations: (1) to 
get exactly the type of fly you want whenever you need them, in the 
number sand sizes required, and (2) to save money.  In short, fly 
tying is convenient and cheap."

George Almy "Tying & Fishing Terrestrials"
Rick
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Re: [VFB] QFTD

[Phxflytyer]

I don't tie to save money.

I tie because I can tie what isn't available anywhere else.   

I tie because I can customize my own creations as well as the standard fare


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Thank You,
Alan Di Somma
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Some mistakes are just too much fun to make only once.



> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:58 PM, 'Rick Zieger' via VFB Mail 
>  wrote:
> 
> Considering many of the patterns that I tie and use are not commercially 
> available, then the cost of tying is cheaper.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> From: Allan Fish 
> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [VFB] QFTD
> 
> J,
> 
> You and I are in the same status.  I'm afraid to count all the shoe boxes of 
> materials I have - and I can't get the lids to shut tightly on most of them.
> 
> Save money?  Forget it.  It's like any hobby - you do it for fun, not to save 
> money.  If you're doing it for work, it's no longer fun.
> 
> Al
> 
> 
>> On 6/14/16 10:19 AM, J Balmer wrote:
> 
> I’d have to tie for a long time before all the supplies & gear I’ve purchased 
> make it cheapJ
>  
>  
> From: 'Rick Zieger' via VFB Mail [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:50 AM
> To: Google Inc. mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [VFB] QFTD
>  
> "There are two basic reasons for dressing your own imitations: (1) to get 
> exactly the type of fly you want whenever you need them, in the number sand 
> sizes required, and (2) to save money.  In short, fly tying is convenient and 
> cheap."
>  
> George Almy   "Tying & Fishing Terrestrials"
>  
> Rick
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Re: [VFB] QFTD

['Rick Zieger' via VFB Mail]

Considering many of the patterns that I tie and use are not commercially 
available, then the cost of tying is cheaper.
Rick 

  From: Allan Fish 
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 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [VFB] QFTD
   
 J,
 
 You and I are in the same status.  I'm afraid to count all the shoe boxes of 
materials I have - and I can't get the lids to shut tightly on most of them.
 
 Save money?  Forget it.  It's like any hobby - you do it for fun, not to save 
money.  If you're doing it for work, it's no longer fun.
 
 Al
 
 
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imitations: (1) to get exactly the type of fly you want whenever you need them, 
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is convenient and cheap."    George Almy   
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Re: [VFB] QFTD

['Wayne Blake-Hedges' via VFB Mail]

I think almost all of use on the VFB  are in the same boat!

Me, IKEA wardrobe full of materials, plus what's in my tying desk, four tying 
vises, numerous bobbins, tools thread etc.  I probably don't want know what 
I've invested in fly tying.

That said, it's a hobby for me and well worth the investment!.

Wayne

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Re: [VFB] QFTD

[Allan Fish]

J,

You and I are in the same status.  I'm afraid to count all the shoe 
boxes of materials I have - and I can't get the lids to shut tightly on 
most of them.


Save money?  Forget it.  It's like any hobby - you do it for fun, not to 
save money.  If you're doing it for work, it's no longer fun.


Al


On 6/14/16 10:19 AM, J Balmer wrote:


I’d have to tie for a long time before all the supplies & gear I’ve 
purchased make it cheapJ


*From:*'Rick Zieger' via VFB Mail [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:50 AM
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*Subject:* [VFB] QFTD

"There are two basic reasons for dressing your own imitations: (1) to 
get exactly the type of fly you want whenever you need them, in the 
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tying is convenient and cheap."


George Almy   "Tying & Fishing Terrestrials"

Rick

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Re: [VFB] QFTD

[Jack Harford]

Convenient . . . Maybe, Cheap . . . Questionable ;)
On Jun 14, 2016 9:49 AM, "'Rick Zieger' via VFB Mail" <
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> "There are two basic reasons for dressing your own imitations: (1) to get
> exactly the type of fly you want whenever you need them, in the number sand
> sizes required, and (2) to save money.  In short, fly tying is convenient
> and cheap."
>
> George Almy   "Tying & Fishing Terrestrials"
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> Rick
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RE: [VFB] QFTD

[J Balmer]

I’d have to tie for a long time before all the supplies & gear I’ve purchased 
make it cheap:)

 

 

From: 'Rick Zieger' via VFB Mail [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:50 AM
To: Google Inc. 
Subject: [VFB] QFTD

 

"There are two basic reasons for dressing your own imitations: (1) to get 
exactly the type of fly you want whenever you need them, in the number sand 
sizes required, and (2) to save money.  In short, fly tying is convenient and 
cheap."

 

George Almy   "Tying & Fishing Terrestrials"

 

Rick 

 

 

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[VFB] QFTD

['Rick Zieger' via VFB Mail]

"There are two basic reasons for dressing your own imitations: (1) to get 
exactly the type of fly you want whenever you need them, in the number sand 
sizes required, and (2) to save money.  In short, fly tying is convenient and 
cheap."
George Almy   "Tying & Fishing Terrestrials"
Rick 

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RE: [VFB] Keys Fishing report

[J Balmer]

It was 5 years ago. Strangely enough, a couple of the pics I took on that trip 
showed up this morning.

 

J

 

From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Don Ordes
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 3:44 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] Keys Fishing report

 

J, 

Are you sure it was a couple of years ago, and that it was Jack Dennis?  He 
hasn’t had anything to do with the shop after he sold it years ago.

He’s one of the ‘good guides’, and a good friend. Have him on my website.

 

Don

 

From: J Balmer   

Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 9:45 AM

To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com   

Subject: RE: [VFB] Keys Fishing report

 

A couple of years ago we had a trip to Jackson Hole in the spring, around the 
usual prime time after snow melt. Unfortunately, that year they had record 
snowpack & it rained for two weeks prior to our arrival. You could see how bad 
the river was from the air, & it looked like a river of mud as we drove into 
town. I had setup a guide session ahead of time w/ the idea that the guide 
would help w/ instruction for the two women that had never fly fished before. I 
walked into Jack Dennis’ shop to talk to him about it & he said he was setting 
me up w/ a particular guide, we were going to a spot in Yellowstone that we 
could actually fish & made some other considerations. The guide not only helped 
both women catch fish in the morning, but after they went for lunch & shopping, 
he put me on more fish than anyone else saw all day. @ one point, in order for 
me to get a shot @ some rocks mid stream, he had the back of my waders in one 
hand & a tree in the other to keep me from getting washed away while I was 
casting to where we thought we could hit some bigger fish. Didn’t want to leave 
until we did.

That said, a friend of mine & I had a horrible experience w/ a quide on the St 
Joe along the Indiana / Michigan border. He not only had us chunking, but he 
was a stone asshole the whole time. Sometimes people forget that they’re in a 
service business & referals are what keep them in business.

 

J

 

From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Brenner
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 10:22 AM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: [VFB] Keys Fishing report

 

Well said about the guides, we had a similar problem up in the Indian River and 
Mosquito Lagoons this winter. I had prepaid deposits  for 4 trips with one 
guide before we went down. when we got there there was some obvious water 
quality problems, but no one was talking until the end of our trip in March. So 
we went out and looked at brown water 4 times, saw a fish once, but paid each 
time.  

The entire time there was a 20 mile by 5 mile algae bloom that is similar to 
red tide.  We did feel taken but kept quiet, although Jerry shortened each trip 
to half days, if you don't sight anything resembling a fish in four hours time 
to go in. 

We go more fish from shore, all small and a mix of flies and shrimp so next 
year that is what we will do. 

Now that we are home the guides are all taking about the water quality 
affecting the fishing all winter, so next season we will go back to self guided 
in the kayak and forget the fancy stuff. 

Try Captain Pips in Marathon for boat rental, we have used them several times, 
there is also a great flat bay side of 7 mile bridge and lots of Tarpon in May, 
June timeframe. 

Peggy

 

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Don Ordes  > wrote:

 

Finally got things sorta under control here since getting back from the keys.  
Had a great time, but my bucket-list still has a tarpon trip in it. Went out 
with a guide twice (a good one), and all we did was sit there and watch for 
them swimming by on their normal routes, which they didn’t. Was windy both days 
we went out. We tried spot after spot to no avail- just did not see fish other 
than once at a distance.

 

I have to be honest and say that I kinda feel ripped off, too. Guiding must be 
one of the few jobs on the market where producing is not necessary for charging 
full fees, well, other than a politician. I did see some charter boat signs 
saying “No fish- no charge”. And to me that is good for business. I understand 
the costs involved in spending a day on the water and the prep involved, but a 
no-fish day should be expenses only, and then fish added as bonus money.  In 
Mexico when I caught the two sailfish, I tipped the guide (who was included in 
the package) $200 because that was all the money I had on me that day. That was 
a couple of weeks pay for him. Well worth it for me.

 

I did a little shrimp fishing from the dock (didn’t enjoy it that much, but it 
was nostalgic), as there really wasn’t enough room for a fly back-cast. Next 
time I will rent a boat