Re: [VFB] Joyce- dry fly hackles

2009-12-02 Thread Joyce Westphal
thanks. Joyce

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote:

  Joyce,
 More accurately it would be the 'butt end' that I'm tying down, but that's
 not totally right, either.  With saddle hackles being a foot long (or
 more) and all of one size along the length, there is no longer a 'small end'
 or a 'large end'- it's all the 'sweet spot'.  One reason to tie the butt end
 (or bird-side) down is that it's easier to fasten down than the tip
 end.  Second, it is less likely to pull out from under the thread, because
 of the 'knap' (like a hair follicle being one-directional for friction).
 Since many flies can be tied from the same hackle, you're rarely really
 working with the actual 'base' of the hackle, and that is usually trimmed
 off because of a wee bit of body web at the base.

 I don't have AK's book, so I'll have to look up what he does.  John Schaper
 and I worked this up when he was the chief hackle grader at Whiting Farms
 about 8 years ago.  The 'new' genetic saddles with the very fine main stems
 is what allowed us to reverse-hackle flies without laying down hackles. This
 does not look near as nice using neck hackles, as the stem is thicker.  We
 developed a pattern of hackle overlay that was especially useful in size 18
 and smaller 'Winger-style' dry flies. Since Wingers tie in with a thin base
 stem, it's possible to make the hackling much more dense at the wing tie-in
 points.

 So two things were necessary for this approach- the genetic saddle hackles
 and Winger necks, both of which we had a warehouse full at our disposal.
 *:*o)

 Don

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 Don, your fly follows what A K Best does in his book, Production Fly Tying.
 Do you tie in large end or small end of the feather first? Thanks. Joyce

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Re: [VFB] Joyce- dry fly hackles

2009-12-01 Thread Don Ordes
Joyce,
More accurately it would be the 'butt end' that I'm tying down, but that's not 
totally right, either.  With saddle hackles being a foot long (or more) and all 
of one size along the length, there is no longer a 'small end' or a 'large 
end'- it's all the 'sweet spot'.  One reason to tie the butt end (or bird-side) 
down is that it's easier to fasten down than the tip end.  Second, it is less 
likely to pull out from under the thread, because of the 'knap' (like a hair 
follicle being one-directional for friction).  Since many flies can be tied 
from the same hackle, you're rarely really working with the actual 'base' of 
the hackle, and that is usually trimmed off because of a wee bit of body web at 
the base.

I don't have AK's book, so I'll have to look up what he does.  John Schaper and 
I worked this up when he was the chief hackle grader at Whiting Farms about 8 
years ago.  The 'new' genetic saddles with the very fine main stems is what 
allowed us to reverse-hackle flies without laying down hackles. This does not 
look near as nice using neck hackles, as the stem is thicker.  We developed a 
pattern of hackle overlay that was especially useful in size 18 and smaller 
'Winger-style' dry flies. Since Wingers tie in with a thin base stem, it's 
possible to make the hackling much more dense at the wing tie-in points.

So two things were necessary for this approach- the genetic saddle hackles and 
Winger necks, both of which we had a warehouse full at our disposal.  :o)  

Don
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  Don, your fly follows what A K Best does in his book, Production Fly Tying. 
Do you tie in large end or small end of the feather first? Thanks. Joyce

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