Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs
You can find plastic beads at craft stores, such as Michaels and JoAnnes. However, for tiny flies, glass come in the smallest sizes. But, the little file works on both. After all, glass is just cooked sand. Joyce On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Alan Di Somma phxflyt...@cox.net wrote: Joyce: Do you have plastic beads as well as glass beads? Thank you, Alan Di Somma Why is it that at class reunions you feel younger than everyone else looks? http://www.azflyfishing.net/ - Original Message - *From:* Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2010 5:17 PM *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs You can also find pointed type files in the beadworking area of your craft store, such as JoAnn's or Michaels, or the like. They go inside the hole and can be used to file it down. They even help on glass beads. I find most of my tiny beads at the knitting shop. they have really small ones that are used in needlework. Check out that type of store as well. Joyce On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: A lot of the new hooks for flyfishing are micro-barb, so they don't pose much of a problem. I rarely squash a barb flat, unless the hook is brittle and the barb doesn't bend. I prefer to bend the barb down to a very shallow profile- east to remove set, but it won't just fall out. If I'm setting beads, I just squash until they fit, or find a smaller barb hook. The barbs on my ol Mustads are really big compared to the barbs on the new hooks today. Mike is right about glass beads- the hole size and bead length vary quite a bit. As far as bending the hook, every maker and every style and every size will be different, as far as how much bending they will take. Some snap with the 1st movement, and some you can almost tie a knot it. Forged vs wire vs gage vs tempering- all account for bending flexibility. Style is something you can take into account when you match hooks to the fly design. Tying barbell-eye streamers?- limerick bends are fine. Going to be using cone-heads, beads, etc.?, buy perfect or round bends. D - Original Message - *From:* Michael Bliss flyfish...@gmail.com *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:48 PM *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question One of the things that Tony said was what I would say - pinch the barb down. Next get the right size bead for the hook. Glass is not as flexible but I have found that they are not consistent with the sizes. You can try several and some will work and some won't. Tony's idea of bending the hook is interesting but I would worry about that causing metal fatigue. Someone smarter might be able to answer that. Mike On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net wrote: OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. I am stumped with a problem.. I took the advice of tying a bigger fly, then working my way down in hook sizes till I get to where I want. Problem is, I'm tying (or TRYING) my Pink Panfish Producer, and I'm down to a size 20. Problem is, the gold bead for the head. The ones I have are either too small to go around the sharp bend in the hook, or they are too big, and they either fall right off the eye end of the fly, or get stuck, with the eye buried halfway inside the bead. I have tried the beads front wards, backwards and sideways. Is there a secret to this??? Should I just make the gold=bead head out of gold tying thread, or tiny tinsel?? Or do you just not tie flies this small with a bead head on them?? Thanks for ANY help, Chuck -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- Mike Bliss Aloha from Hawaii -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- -- You received this message
Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs
Joyce good idea, I got a set of tools for working with beads for Christmas along with my invisible Nook for ebooks :) The reamer, as it's called really does pretty good on Walmart brand glass beads, Peggy Joyce Westphal wrote: You can also find pointed type files in the beadworking area of your craft store, such as JoAnn's or Michaels, or the like. They go inside the hole and can be used to file it down. They even help on glass beads. I find most of my tiny beads at the knitting shop. they have really small ones that are used in needlework. Check out that type of store as well. Joyce On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com mailto:f...@tribcsp.com wrote: A lot of the new hooks for flyfishing are micro-barb, so they don't pose much of a problem. I rarely squash a barb flat, unless the hook is brittle and the barb doesn't bend. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs
I could of used a set of them today. Tony --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Peggy Brenner peggy.bren...@comcast.net wrote: From: Peggy Brenner peggy.bren...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 8:37 PM Joyce good idea, I got a set of tools for working with beads for Christmas along with my invisible Nook for ebooks :) The reamer, as it's called really does pretty good on Walmart brand glass beads, Peggy Joyce Westphal wrote: You can also find pointed type files in the beadworking area of your craft store, such as JoAnn's or Michaels, or the like. They go inside the hole and can be used to file it down. They even help on glass beads. I find most of my tiny beads at the knitting shop. they have really small ones that are used in needlework. Check out that type of store as well. Joyce On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com mailto:f...@tribcsp.com wrote: A lot of the new hooks for flyfishing are micro-barb, so they don't pose much of a problem. I rarely squash a barb flat, unless the hook is brittle and the barb doesn't bend. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs
A lot of the new hooks for flyfishing are micro-barb, so they don't pose much of a problem. I rarely squash a barb flat, unless the hook is brittle and the barb doesn't bend. I prefer to bend the barb down to a very shallow profile- east to remove set, but it won't just fall out. If I'm setting beads, I just squash until they fit, or find a smaller barb hook. The barbs on my ol Mustads are really big compared to the barbs on the new hooks today. Mike is right about glass beads- the hole size and bead length vary quite a bit. As far as bending the hook, every maker and every style and every size will be different, as far as how much bending they will take. Some snap with the 1st movement, and some you can almost tie a knot it. Forged vs wire vs gage vs tempering- all account for bending flexibility. Style is something you can take into account when you match hooks to the fly design. Tying barbell-eye streamers?- limerick bends are fine. Going to be using cone-heads, beads, etc.?, buy perfect or round bends. D - Original Message - From: Michael Bliss To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question One of the things that Tony said was what I would say - pinch the barb down. Next get the right size bead for the hook. Glass is not as flexible but I have found that they are not consistent with the sizes. You can try several and some will work and some won't. Tony's idea of bending the hook is interesting but I would worry about that causing metal fatigue. Someone smarter might be able to answer that. Mike On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net wrote: OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. I am stumped with a problem.. I took the advice of tying a bigger fly, then working my way down in hook sizes till I get to where I want. Problem is, I'm tying (or TRYING) my Pink Panfish Producer, and I'm down to a size 20. Problem is, the gold bead for the head. The ones I have are either too small to go around the sharp bend in the hook, or they are too big, and they either fall right off the eye end of the fly, or get stuck, with the eye buried halfway inside the bead. I have tried the beads front wards, backwards and sideways. Is there a secret to this??? Should I just make the gold=bead head out of gold tying thread, or tiny tinsel?? Or do you just not tie flies this small with a bead head on them?? Thanks for ANY help, Chuck -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- Mike Bliss Aloha from Hawaii -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs
You can also find pointed type files in the beadworking area of your craft store, such as JoAnn's or Michaels, or the like. They go inside the hole and can be used to file it down. They even help on glass beads. I find most of my tiny beads at the knitting shop. they have really small ones that are used in needlework. Check out that type of store as well. Joyce On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: A lot of the new hooks for flyfishing are micro-barb, so they don't pose much of a problem. I rarely squash a barb flat, unless the hook is brittle and the barb doesn't bend. I prefer to bend the barb down to a very shallow profile- east to remove set, but it won't just fall out. If I'm setting beads, I just squash until they fit, or find a smaller barb hook. The barbs on my ol Mustads are really big compared to the barbs on the new hooks today. Mike is right about glass beads- the hole size and bead length vary quite a bit. As far as bending the hook, every maker and every style and every size will be different, as far as how much bending they will take. Some snap with the 1st movement, and some you can almost tie a knot it. Forged vs wire vs gage vs tempering- all account for bending flexibility. Style is something you can take into account when you match hooks to the fly design. Tying barbell-eye streamers?- limerick bends are fine. Going to be using cone-heads, beads, etc.?, buy perfect or round bends. D - Original Message - *From:* Michael Bliss flyfish...@gmail.com *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:48 PM *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question One of the things that Tony said was what I would say - pinch the barb down. Next get the right size bead for the hook. Glass is not as flexible but I have found that they are not consistent with the sizes. You can try several and some will work and some won't. Tony's idea of bending the hook is interesting but I would worry about that causing metal fatigue. Someone smarter might be able to answer that. Mike On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net wrote: OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. I am stumped with a problem.. I took the advice of tying a bigger fly, then working my way down in hook sizes till I get to where I want. Problem is, I'm tying (or TRYING) my Pink Panfish Producer, and I'm down to a size 20. Problem is, the gold bead for the head. The ones I have are either too small to go around the sharp bend in the hook, or they are too big, and they either fall right off the eye end of the fly, or get stuck, with the eye buried halfway inside the bead. I have tried the beads front wards, backwards and sideways. Is there a secret to this??? Should I just make the gold=bead head out of gold tying thread, or tiny tinsel?? Or do you just not tie flies this small with a bead head on them?? Thanks for ANY help, Chuck -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- Mike Bliss Aloha from Hawaii -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs
Joyce: Do you have plastic beads as well as glass beads? Thank you, Alan Di Somma Why is it that at class reunions you feel younger than everyone else looks? http://www.azflyfishing.net/ - Original Message - From: Joyce Westphal To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs You can also find pointed type files in the beadworking area of your craft store, such as JoAnn's or Michaels, or the like. They go inside the hole and can be used to file it down. They even help on glass beads. I find most of my tiny beads at the knitting shop. they have really small ones that are used in needlework. Check out that type of store as well. Joyce On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: A lot of the new hooks for flyfishing are micro-barb, so they don't pose much of a problem. I rarely squash a barb flat, unless the hook is brittle and the barb doesn't bend. I prefer to bend the barb down to a very shallow profile- east to remove set, but it won't just fall out. If I'm setting beads, I just squash until they fit, or find a smaller barb hook. The barbs on my ol Mustads are really big compared to the barbs on the new hooks today. Mike is right about glass beads- the hole size and bead length vary quite a bit. As far as bending the hook, every maker and every style and every size will be different, as far as how much bending they will take. Some snap with the 1st movement, and some you can almost tie a knot it. Forged vs wire vs gage vs tempering- all account for bending flexibility. Style is something you can take into account when you match hooks to the fly design. Tying barbell-eye streamers?- limerick bends are fine. Going to be using cone-heads, beads, etc.?, buy perfect or round bends. D - Original Message - From: Michael Bliss To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question One of the things that Tony said was what I would say - pinch the barb down. Next get the right size bead for the hook. Glass is not as flexible but I have found that they are not consistent with the sizes. You can try several and some will work and some won't. Tony's idea of bending the hook is interesting but I would worry about that causing metal fatigue. Someone smarter might be able to answer that. Mike On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net wrote: OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. I am stumped with a problem.. I took the advice of tying a bigger fly, then working my way down in hook sizes till I get to where I want. Problem is, I'm tying (or TRYING) my Pink Panfish Producer, and I'm down to a size 20. Problem is, the gold bead for the head. The ones I have are either too small to go around the sharp bend in the hook, or they are too big, and they either fall right off the eye end of the fly, or get stuck, with the eye buried halfway inside the bead. I have tried the beads front wards, backwards and sideways. Is there a secret to this??? Should I just make the gold=bead head out of gold tying thread, or tiny tinsel?? Or do you just not tie flies this small with a bead head on them?? Thanks for ANY help, Chuck -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- Mike Bliss Aloha from Hawaii -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB
Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs
A lot of the new hooks for flyfishing are micro-barb, so they don't pose much of a problem. I rarely squash a barb flat, unless the hook is brittle and the barb doesn't bend. I prefer to bend the barb down to a very shallow profile- east to remove set, but it won't just fall out. If I'm setting beads, I just squash until they fit, or find a smaller barb hook. The barbs on my ol Mustads are really big compared to the barbs on the new hooks today. Mike is right about glass beads- the hole size and bead length vary quite a bit. As far as bending the hook, every maker and every style and every size will be different, as far as how much bending they will take. Some snap with the 1st movement, and some you can almost tie a knot in it. Forged vs wire vs gage vs tempering- all account for bending flexibility. Style is something you can take into account when you match hooks to the fly design. Tying barbell-eye streamers?- limerick bends are fine. Going to be using cone-heads, beads, etc.?, buy perfect or round bends. D - Original Message - From: Anthony Spezio To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs I know this is kind of getting off topic but I have knows some tyers that have used a cigarette lighter to anneal the bend to open it up a bit. I have not resorted to that. Plastic beads are my problem not many brass beads. Don, you are right about the old Mustads. I have a draw with a whole bunch of flies with broken hooks from bending the barbs. All of them have been fished and broke off on fish. All are the old Mustads. Tony --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 2:14 PM A lot of the new hooks for flyfishing are micro-barb, so they don't pose much of a problem. I rarely squash a barb flat, unless the hook is brittle and the barb doesn't bend. I prefer to bend the barb down to a very shallow profile- east to remove set, but it won't just fall out. If I'm setting beads, I just squash until they fit, or find a smaller barb hook. The barbs on my ol Mustads are really big compared to the barbs on the new hooks today. Mike is right about glass beads- the hole size and bead length vary quite a bit. As far as bending the hook, every maker and every style and every size will be different, as far as how much bending they will take. Some snap with the 1st movement, and some you can almost tie a knot it. Forged vs wire vs gage vs tempering- all account for bending flexibility. Style is something you can take into account when you match hooks to the fly design. Tying barbell-eye streamers?- limerick bends are fine. Going to be using cone-heads, beads, etc.?, buy perfect or round bends. D - Original Message - From: Michael Bliss To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question One of the things that Tony said was what I would say - pinch the barb down. Next get the right size bead for the hook. Glass is not as flexible but I have found that they are not consistent with the sizes. You can try several and some will work and some won't. Tony's idea of bending the hook is interesting but I would worry about that causing metal fatigue. Someone smarter might be able to answer that. Mike On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@hughes.net wrote: OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. I am stumped with a problem.. I took the advice of tying a bigger fly, then working my way down in hook sizes till I get to where I want. Problem is, I'm tying (or TRYING) my Pink Panfish Producer, and I'm down to a size 20. Problem is, the gold bead for the head. The ones I have are either too small to go around the sharp bend in the hook, or they are too big, and they either fall right off the eye end of the fly, or get stuck, with the eye buried halfway inside the bead. I have tried the beads front wards, backwards and sideways. Is there a secret to this??? Should I just make the gold=bead head out of gold tying thread, or tiny tinsel?? Or do you just not tie flies this small with a bead head on them?? Thanks for ANY help, Chuck -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr
