[VFB] Re: tools now Packing Hair.
Tony: I would be VERY interested in how to spin/pack lamb's wool. I just had a friend who raises sheep send me a big box of wool. I'm cc'ing this to you as my messages have been getting lost for the most part. Thanks, Chuck Please check out our websites below, 10% of all sales are donated to www.operationsmile.org Please see our handmade feather and bead earrings at www.cbacreations.com Also, see our fly fishing furled leaders at http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/you_wear_it_well_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ - Original Message - From: Anthony Spezio To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: tools now Packing Hair. Rene, Being self thought I started spinning on a bare hook shank and that is the way I have done it all the time except when I tried to spin on a thread covered hook a couple of times. That did not suit me at all. I found I could not pack the hair as tight as I would like. If interested, I can post some of my other deer hair bugs. I not only spin deer hair this way but also lambs wool. I have a Lizard I made that way. The lambs wool will pack just as tight. Tony --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Rene Zillmann rene.zillm...@t-online.de wrote: From: Rene Zillmann rene.zillm...@t-online.de Subject: [VFB] Re: tools now Packing Hair. To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 9:46 AM Tony, that's basically ow I do it. No tools. How do you keep it with the hook's shank? Do you lay a thread base in the first step are are you spinng on the basre hook? Rene Anthony Spezio wrote: Will send finger nail clippings next time I trim them. LOL Here is how I do it. After spinning the hair, take a couple of thread wraps in front of the spun hair. Put thumb and first finger, finger nails up against the hair with the hook shank between the nails. Now work your hand in a back and forth twisting motion while pushing the hair back against the last bunch. The wraps in front of the hair when pushed back in that motion will hold the hair in place. When you think you have all the hair you can get in the shank, work it back some more and you will find you can almost always get another bunch on. Another thing, I try to use the thinnest thread I can get by with. Most times it is 3/0. Hope this is clearer than mud. Tony --- On *Sat, 8/22/09, J Balmer /jbal...@a5.com/* wrote: From: J Balmer jbal...@a5.com Subject: [VFB] Re: tools and books question To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 8:04 PM Next Time I tie a packed hair fly we’ll use your finger nailsJ *From:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Anthony Spezio *Sen* --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: tools now Packing Hair
Yea and you two guys kept bailing while I ran the outboard. Tony --- On Mon, 8/24/09, Rene Zillmann rene.zillm...@t-online.de wrote: From: Rene Zillmann rene.zillm...@t-online.de Subject: [VFB] Re: tools now Packing Hair To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 3:34 PM Yup, Tony, that was a neat story. I was lucky to sit in the middle of the boat. Richard was in the bow and get awful wet. I've told this adventure for sure 20 times or more here! Rene Anthony Spezio wrote: Rene, As I told Paul, I will give this another shot when I can get to it. The last time I tried spinning on a wrapped hook was about 25 years ago. The past 15 years since I moved to Arkansas, I have only spun a few bass bugs as I fish mostly for trout. I do fish Crooked Creek a lot but it is more for Bluegills than for bass. Hope to get you back again and fish the White with me. Maybe the next time, it will not be as windy and water coming over the bow. LOL That is another story. Tony --- On *Mon, 8/24/09, Rene Zillmann /rene.zillm...@t-online.de/* wrote: --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: tools now Packing Hair
There are times for both methods of spinning hair, bare hook or thread covered. When spun on a bare hook, the hair can rotate (for example when rubbing-in floatant) more easily after the fly is complete. If, for example when tying Bombers, one wants to add a palmered hackle, this rotation can break the hackle stem. Here it's better to lay down a tight thread base. The hair is a little more difficult to spin (not much if done properly), but the hackle is protected. cheers Paul www.galesendpress.com -- Paul Marriner Outdoor Writing Photography. Owner: Gale's End Press. Member: OWAA OWC. Author of: (NEW) Atlantic Salmon: A Fly Fishing Reference, A Compendium of Canadian Fly Patterns (co-author), Stillwater Fly Fishing: Tools Tactics, How to Choose Use Fly-tying Thread, Modern Atlantic Salmon Flies, Miramichi River Journal, Ausable River Journal, and Atlantic Salmon. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: tools now Packing Hair.
Tony, I'm sure I have a couple of you spun flies on my site. http://rzillmann.homepage.t-online.de/flies/tonyspezio/tony.htm Rene Anthony Spezio wrote: Rene, Being self thought I started spinning on a bare hook shank and that is the way I have done it all the time except when I tried to spin on a thread covered hook a couple of times. That did not suit me at all. I found I could not pack the hair as tight as I would like. If interested, I can post some of my other deer hair bugs. I not only spin deer hair this way but also lambs wool. I have a Lizard I made that way. The lambs wool will pack just as tight. Tony --- On *Sun, 8/23/09, Rene Zillmann /rene.zillm...@t-online.de/* wrote: From: Rene Zillmann rene.zillm...@t-online.de Subject: [VFB] Re: tools now Packing Hair. To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 9:46 AM Tony, that's basically ow I do it. No tools. How do you keep it with the hook's shank? Do you lay a thread base in the first step are are you spinng on the basre hook? Rene Anthony Spezio wrote: Will send finger nail clippings next time I trim them. LOL Here is how I do it. After spinning the hair, take a couple of thread wraps in front of the spun hair. Put thumb and first finger, finger nails up against the hair with the hook shank between the nails. Now work your hand in a back and forth twisting motion while pushing the hair back against the last bunch. The wraps in front of the hair when pushed back in that motion will hold the hair in place. When you think you have all the hair you can get in the shank, work it back some more and you will find you can almost always get another bunch on. Another thing, I try to use the thinnest thread I can get by with. Most times it is 3/0. Hope this is clearer than mud. Tony --- On *Sat, 8/22/09, J Balmer /jbal...@a5.com /mc/compose?to=jbal...@a5.com/* wrote: From: J Balmer jbal...@a5.com /mc/compose?to=jbal...@a5.com Subject: [VFB] Re: tools and books question To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com /mc/compose?to=vfb-m...@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 8:04 PM Next Time I tie a packed hair fly we’ll use your finger nailsJ *From:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com /mc/compose?to=vfb-m...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com /mc/compose?to=vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Anthony Spezio *Sen* --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: tools now Packing Hair
Rene, As I told Paul, I will give this another shot when I can get to it. The last time I tried spinning on a wrapped hook was about 25 years ago. The past 15 years since I moved to Arkansas, I have only spun a few bass bugs as I fish mostly for trout. I do fish Crooked Creek a lot but it is more for Bluegills than for bass. Hope to get you back again and fish the White with me. Maybe the next time, it will not be as windy and water coming over the bow. LOL That is another story. Tony --- On Mon, 8/24/09, Rene Zillmann rene.zillm...@t-online.de wrote: From: Rene Zillmann rene.zillm...@t-online.de Subject: [VFB] Re: tools now Packing Hair To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 1:05 PM Tony, Paul, thanks for your answers. I've got somehow a similar experience with this. When I started to try spinning, I thought best will be the bare hook. And yes, the hair spins well. On the other hand I noticed that the fly is instable - to be precise I had the impression, that the thread cuts the hair if I use too much tension. Later I moved to a thread base, and I had to be more precise (especially thread tension control) to get it spin, but i found out that the hair was not so often cut in pieces. This is for sure a question of the quality of hair - but when using the same patch, with the thread base I loose less hair (On the hook G) Guess I will continue with the tread base. Rene Anthony Spezio wrote: Paul, Good to see you post. I forgot to add your name to the people I met at one of the SLC shows. I may have to try it again when I get around to it, right now, I am not spending much time at the bench. Years back, I tied a number of Bombers but I don't remember having any problems with the hackle. Tony --- On *Mon, 8/24/09, Paul Marriner /pm...@tallships.ca/* wrote: From: Paul Marriner pm...@tallships.ca Subject: [VFB] Re: tools now Packing Hair To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 7:01 AM There are times for both methods of spinning hair, bare hook or thread covered. When spun on a bare hook, the hair can rotate (for example when rubbing-in floatant) more easily after the fly is complete. If, for example when tying Bombers, one wants to add a palmered hackle, this rotation can break the hackle stem. Here it's better to lay down a tight thread base. The hair is a little more difficult to spin (not much if done properly), but the hackle is protected. cheers Paul www.galesendpress.com -- Paul Marriner Outdoor Writing Photography. Owner: Gale's End Press. Member: OWAA OWC. Author of: (NEW) Atlantic Salmon: A Fly Fishing Reference, A Compendium of Canadian Fly Patterns (co-author), Stillwater Fly Fishing: Tools Tactics, How to Choose Use Fly-tying Thread, Modern Atlantic Salmon Flies, Miramichi River Journal, Ausable River Journal, and Atlantic Salmon. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: tools now Packing Hair.
Will send finger nail clippings next time I trim them. LOL Here is how I do it. After spinning the hair, take a couple of thread wraps in front of the spun hair. Put thumb and first finger, finger nails up against the hair with the hook shank between the nails. Now work your hand in a back and forth twisting motion while pushing the hair back against the last bunch. The wraps in front of the hair when pushed back in that motion will hold the hair in place. When you think you have all the hair you can get in the shank, work it back some more and you will find you can almost always get another bunch on. Another thing, I try to use the thinnest thread I can get by with. Most times it is 3/0. Hope this is clearer than mud. Tony --- On Sat, 8/22/09, J Balmer jbal...@a5.com wrote: From: J Balmer jbal...@a5.com Subject: [VFB] Re: tools and books question To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 8:04 PM Next Time I tie a packed hair fly we’ll use your finger nailsJ From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Spezio Sen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: tools now Packing Hair.
Yeah I actually do something similar, but I still hit it w/ my brass packing tool every 3 or 4 bunches. I don’t tie packed hair often enough, but I seem to have more even dispersal using the packer. J From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Spezio Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:06 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: [VFB] Re: tools now Packing Hair. Will send finger nail clippings next time I trim them. LOL Here is how I do it. After spinning the hair, take a couple of thread wraps in front of the spun hair. Put thumb and first finger, finger nails up against the hair with the hook shank between the nails. Now work your hand in a back and forth twisting motion while pushing the hair back against the last bunch. The wraps in front of the hair when pushed back in that motion will hold the hair in place. When you think you have all the hair you can get in the shank, work it back some more and you will find you can almost always get another bunch on. Another thing, I try to use the thinnest thread I can get by with. Most times it is 3/0. Hope this is clearer than mud. Tony --- On Sat, 8/22/09, J Balmer jbal...@a5.com wrote: From: J Balmer jbal...@a5.com Subject: [VFB] Re: tools and books question To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 8:04 PM Next Time I tie a packed hair fly we’ll use your finger nailsJ From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Spezio Sen No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.62/2315 - Release Date: 08/22/09 18:04:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: tools now Packing Hair.
Tony, that's basically ow I do it. No tools. How do you keep it with the hook's shank? Do you lay a thread base in the first step are are you spinng on the basre hook? Rene Anthony Spezio wrote: Will send finger nail clippings next time I trim them. LOL Here is how I do it. After spinning the hair, take a couple of thread wraps in front of the spun hair. Put thumb and first finger, finger nails up against the hair with the hook shank between the nails. Now work your hand in a back and forth twisting motion while pushing the hair back against the last bunch. The wraps in front of the hair when pushed back in that motion will hold the hair in place. When you think you have all the hair you can get in the shank, work it back some more and you will find you can almost always get another bunch on. Another thing, I try to use the thinnest thread I can get by with. Most times it is 3/0. Hope this is clearer than mud. Tony --- On *Sat, 8/22/09, J Balmer /jbal...@a5.com/* wrote: From: J Balmer jbal...@a5.com Subject: [VFB] Re: tools and books question To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 8:04 PM Next Time I tie a packed hair fly we’ll use your finger nailsJ *From:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Anthony Spezio *Sen* --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: tools now Packing Hair.
Years ago, when I first got into fly tying a lot of the guys in the club gave me some ideas. One of them was to take the shaft of an old aluminum arrow that was bent and cut a 6 length and debur the ends. This way you have a lot of surface area to hold in your hand and still have a big enough hole to really pack the hair tight against the last bunch of hair. Now that I have a wood lathe, I can turn one out in just a few minutes, out of exotic wood scraps. Thank you, Alan Di Somma Phoenix, It's Arpaiolicious! How come it takes so little time for a child that is afraid of the dark to become a teenager who wants to stay out all night? - Original Message - From: J Balmer To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 7:46 AM Subject: [VFB] Re: tools now Packing Hair. Yeah I actually do something similar, but I still hit it w/ my brass packing tool every 3 or 4 bunches. I don’t tie packed hair often enough, but I seem to have more even dispersal using the packer. J From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Spezio Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:06 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: [VFB] Re: tools now Packing Hair. Will send finger nail clippings next time I trim them. LOL Here is how I do it. After spinning the hair, take a couple of thread wraps in front of the spun hair. Put thumb and first finger, finger nails up against the hair with the hook shank between the nails. Now work your hand in a back and forth twisting motion while pushing the hair back against the last bunch. The wraps in front of the hair when pushed back in that motion will hold the hair in place. When you think you have all the hair you can get in the shank, work it back some more and you will find you can almost always get another bunch on. Another thing, I try to use the thinnest thread I can get by with. Most times it is 3/0. Hope this is clearer than mud. Tony --- On Sat, 8/22/09, J Balmer jbal...@a5.com wrote: From: J Balmer jbal...@a5.com Subject: [VFB] Re: tools and books question To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 8:04 PM Next Time I tie a packed hair fly we’ll use your finger nailsJ From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Spezio Sen No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.62/2315 - Release Date: 08/22/09 18:04:00 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.64/2321 - Release Date: 08/23/09 06:18:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[VFB] Re: tools now Packing Hair.
Rene, Being self thought I started spinning on a bare hook shank and that is the way I have done it all the time except when I tried to spin on a thread covered hook a couple of times. That did not suit me at all. I found I could not pack the hair as tight as I would like. If interested, I can post some of my other deer hair bugs. I not only spin deer hair this way but also lambs wool. I have a Lizard I made that way. The lambs wool will pack just as tight. Tony --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Rene Zillmann rene.zillm...@t-online.de wrote: From: Rene Zillmann rene.zillm...@t-online.de Subject: [VFB] Re: tools now Packing Hair. To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 9:46 AM Tony, that's basically ow I do it. No tools. How do you keep it with the hook's shank? Do you lay a thread base in the first step are are you spinng on the basre hook? Rene Anthony Spezio wrote: Will send finger nail clippings next time I trim them. LOL Here is how I do it. After spinning the hair, take a couple of thread wraps in front of the spun hair. Put thumb and first finger, finger nails up against the hair with the hook shank between the nails. Now work your hand in a back and forth twisting motion while pushing the hair back against the last bunch. The wraps in front of the hair when pushed back in that motion will hold the hair in place. When you think you have all the hair you can get in the shank, work it back some more and you will find you can almost always get another bunch on. Another thing, I try to use the thinnest thread I can get by with. Most times it is 3/0. Hope this is clearer than mud. Tony --- On *Sat, 8/22/09, J Balmer /jbal...@a5.com/* wrote: From: J Balmer jbal...@a5.com Subject: [VFB] Re: tools and books question To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 8:04 PM Next Time I tie a packed hair fly we’ll use your finger nailsJ *From:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Anthony Spezio *Sen* --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
