Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-05 Thread Shannon Noble
Very much so.On 6/5/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beautifull.--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In The Myth of Sisyphus, Sisyphus, unfortunately, was in the wrong place at the wrong time and overheard secrets of the Gods fighting. So

[videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-05 Thread gmjoyce_y
I don't know why anyone should feel inferior because their video blog is—heaven forbid!—entertaining. I just got this comment a couple of days ago: Great stuff ... Ya got me hooked! I'm a big fan, I check for the new episode every day. ~Devlon http://loadedpun.com So should I feel

[videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-04 Thread Enric
I am so tempted to respond. And where this a group on linguistics, philosophy or such, I would :) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard (Show) Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't usually get in on these, but this one really intrigues me ... plus, I'm trying to avoid doing my

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-04 Thread Richard (Show) Hall
Well, let's bring it up again at Vloggercon after I have been thoroughly enculturated via a few beers from Schlomo's bar ... Richard On 6/4/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so tempted to respond. And where this a group on linguistics, philosophy or such, I would :) --- In

[videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-04 Thread Enric
My thinking too (though I wasn't considering the libation portion.) -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard (Show) Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, let's bring it up again at Vloggercon after I have been thoroughly enculturated via a few beers from Schlomo's bar ...

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-03 Thread Charles HOPE
There's nothing here to vlog. Every six months or so, Shannon likes to start a flame war. It's an entertaining peccadillo, and whoever bites, bites . Jan McLaughlin wrote: Ahem - vlog it, gentlemen, ladies. Vlog the shit out of it. If you will be so kind. Jan

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-03 Thread Anne Walk
peccadillogood word!On 6/2/06, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's nothing here to vlog. Every six months or so, Shannon likes to start a flame war. It's an entertaining peccadillo, and whoever bites, bites . Jan McLaughlin wrote: Ahem - vlog it, gentlemen, ladies.

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-03 Thread Adam Quirk
Shannon is to myopia as X is to Yor maybe Bengay is to muscle cramps?Fuck Bengay, btw. Minty bullshit.On 6/3/06, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: peccadillogood word! On 6/2/06, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's nothing here to vlog. Every six months or so, Shannon

[videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-03 Thread Laura Moncur
Okay, I'll bite. The reason our small glimpses into our lives are just as important as the carnage that is happening in Iraq is because it's all HISTORY. Five hundred years from now, historians are going to be looking at our vlogs trying to fathom what life was like during our time. We are

[videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-03 Thread Mike Moon
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The editing and narration of that piece is propagandizing a point of view on the war. Statements like ...the most dangerous country in the world. could probably be disproven. One can compare the genocide in the Darfur

[videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-03 Thread Mike Moon
In fact, when we look back, we'll be looking at vlogs to get a better representation of the truth of the time then we will by viewing the video archives of television. Vloggers are closer to true then TV will be allowed. Power to the vloggers. Mike http://vlog.mikemoon.net --- In

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-03 Thread Jan McLaughlin
Mr. Hope is full of good words. I'm keeping track since he brought 'weasel words' to our collective attention. (wikipedia 'weasel words' if you missed that reference) Jan -- http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - motion http://blog.urbanartadventures.com - sound http://the-hold.blogspot.com - poetry

[videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-03 Thread Monika Lyman
Yes! That's beautifully said. Thanks! --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is the stories that we tell that are important. It is the attempt of one person trying to convey narrative to another. That has an spiritual value. It can have a base level one too.

[videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-03 Thread Monika Lyman
Did you read the same message I read? I think Casey's point may have been that after pouring her heart and soul into her work/art/videoblog to the point of exhaustion, it does not feel good to have it called shallow. That's not meaningless. So you think videoblogging is shallow. So what? You

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-03 Thread Lisa Harper
We go to the news to see the state of the world... but, in fact, a better pulse would be vlogs, if more people had them. Look how important Pepys is today -- and all he kept was a daily diary that talked about the everyday happenings in his life. I look forward to the time when vlogging is easy

[videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-03 Thread Enric
Wow, a lot of imaginative work went into that. That's right R2. We're going to Bodega Bay. ;) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bev Sykes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/2/06, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to me, my father's 8mm films hold endless amounts of meaning (I never

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-03 Thread Bev Sykes
Thanks for watching it, Eric. They worked a long time on it. I'll be posting Part 2 (which is shorter) tomorrow. Unfortunately, they never finished it.On 6/3/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, a lot of imaginative work went into that.That's right R2.We're going to Bodega Bay.;)--- In

[videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-03 Thread francisco_daum
The absolute is the relative. For example, I'm typing at my wooden table, which at one point was a tree seed. Earlier, I stood on to get to a picture on a wall, so I guess I used it as a ladder. For a termite, my wooden desk is dinner. If you can say the relative is absolute, that's alright

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-02 Thread Anne Walk
these are things i think about all of the time. thanks for sharing the thought, shannon.On 6/2/06, Shannon Noble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bad link. try again.something wacky occured.http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/36871/ On 6/2/06, Shannon Noble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You

[videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-02 Thread Casey McKinnon
Well said, Sully. I understand what Shannon is getting at, but after two hours of sleep due to working my ass off filming/editing/compressing, it's just not what I'm interested in hearing about... Casey http://www.galacticast.com/ --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL

[videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-02 Thread Enric
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Noble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, sometimes I look at my own expressions and the content of my work, as well as many others here, and think how shallow and meaningless much of what we do is. Fine We put our own meaning on it as it

[videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-02 Thread Gena
It is the stories that we tell that are important. It is the attempt of one person trying to convey narrative to another. That has an spiritual value. It can have a base level one too. It doesn't matter if the stories are profound or silly. Meaning changes over time anyway. It is important

[videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-02 Thread Enric
Quite accusatory. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Noble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/2/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote everything needs context. nothing NEEDS context. you are putting a priority on that thought right now in order to get

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-02 Thread Shannon Noble
prime example.casey steps up to the bat.takes a meaningless swing.does anyone here care about casey's lack of sleep?if so. so what?casey only stepped in to make a point that casey exists. after two hours of sleep.On 6/2/06, Casey McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well said, Sully.I understand

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-02 Thread Shannon Noble
On 6/2/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Noble [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: You know, sometimes I look at my own expressions and the content of my work, as well as many others here, and think how shallow and meaningless much ofwhat we do is.Fineoh

[videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-02 Thread Enric
Question: What does this have to do with videoblogging? I don't see a discussion on technique, method, or related activity. At this point I read Shannon rewording people's meanings to his views and thesis. And denying value to people's work in videoblogging. -- Enric --- In

[videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-02 Thread Enric
You would gain some value in your ideas if you read, thought and responded to critiques. -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com http://www.cinegage.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Noble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/2/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-02 Thread Shannon Noble
why would i need you to validate me about what i think or respond too?this is a try at manipulation by you.whose values are we talking about here?yours?make a list. On 6/2/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You would gain some value in your ideas if you read, thought andresponded to

[videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-02 Thread Enric
You're drawing conclusions that can be supported by text. You are infering the motive of manipulation and making the demand of making a list based on that inference. Such inferences go beyond the limitation of text messages like this -- assumptions are often made about people that go beyond

[videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-02 Thread Enric
You started the conversation with demands and continue in that mode, rather than responding. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Noble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/2/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: What does this have to do with videoblogging? I don't

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-02 Thread Jan McLaughlin
Most of the time most humans only want to be seen. It must be difficult to be evolved to the next step where you actually see others. Very lonely and painful indeed. Jan -- http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - motion http://blog.urbanartadventures.com - sound http://the-hold.blogspot.com -

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-02 Thread Jan McLaughlin
Ahem - vlog it, gentlemen, ladies. Vlog the shit out of it. If you will be so kind. Jan -- http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - motion http://blog.urbanartadventures.com - sound http://the-hold.blogspot.com - poetry http://dagnyhemingway.blogspot.com - machinima http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-02 Thread Shannon Noble
i demand=ed nada. chump.I made salad. That's all.enric.On 6/3/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You started the conversation with demands and continue in that mode, rather than responding.-- Enric--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Noble [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On 6/2/06, Enric

[videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-02 Thread Enric
Though this verbal jousting is somewhat entertaining, I don't think everyone will enjoy it. So I'll stop on here for now. -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com http://www.cinegage.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Noble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i demand=ed nada.

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-02 Thread Shannon Noble
What i should say though is this, and I apologize for not acknowledging you earlier..I have no doubts about what you are saying here. Your thoughts are completely legitimate.I am grateful that you responded to my demands. That unto itself is worth a massive amount of respect. Very much so.

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-02 Thread Shannon Noble
Huh. Now I'm confused. You say it's entertaining but no one will enjoy it? Who cares?Do you have a need for entertainment?Is that the purpose of videoblogging too?Too entertain? On 6/3/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though this verbal jousting is somewhat entertaining, I don't thinkeveryone

[videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-02 Thread Enric
You're welcome Shannon. I actually quite enjoy discussing the nature of values, ethics, objectivity, subjectivity as philosophy. But that is not the endeavor of this group :) Thanks, Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Noble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What i should say

[videoblogging] Re: The Shallow Nature of Video Blogging

2006-06-02 Thread Enric
It's time to dance. ; --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Noble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh. Now I'm confused. You say it's entertaining but no one will enjoy it? Who cares? Do you have a need for entertainment? Is that the purpose of videoblogging too? Too