[videoblogging] Re: German vloggers before 2005 -- Adam Kontras
Hi Jay, thanks for your answer. Actually, there were and still is the videoblog of Adam Kontras http://4tvs.com/. He already had started in 2000! But he seems to be the only one with a classic videoblog in those early days (...not to mention especially German videoblogs, I see). I spoke with Greenhorn (Ingvar: http://www.greenhornsview.blogspot.com/) but he doesn't have got a videoblog but he has some experimental videos on his site. So, do you agree when I say that there were no many long-lasting videoblogs just short-dated experimental ones between 2000 and 2004? Then, Ryanne and Steve came in. Regards Jenna --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.ded...@... wrote: Hey Jenna-- To be honest, there weren't any vloggers really anywhere before 2004. People experimented with posting video online, but Adrian Miles was the only person I found who had used a blog to post videos on any kind of regular basis. Ive never heard of greenhorn. Jay
[videoblogging] German vloggers before 2005
Hi everyone, I have been searching for a while but with little success. Is within our group any German vlogger who had started his vlog before 2005? The only one I could find is greenhorn and now I try to contact him via email and maybe now it works via our group... But has anyone a hint for me? Or hadn't there existed any German videoblogs before that time? Thanks a lot Jenna
[videoblogging] Vloggercon - why only two times?
Hi everybody, I have went through some old messages within this group but apart from some, let's say passionate conversation I haven't found the answer why the vloggercon had taken place only two times. What happened in 2007? I think it was Steve who wrote (not literally!) we need a bit time to have energy for the next passionate conference. But if it had been an overwhelming success wouldn't it have taken place in 2007? - Wasn't the vloggercon successful? - Did the vloggercon mean too much effort (maybe for earning no money - I don't know the details for the organisers)? Hopefully it's not a redundant topic - I was searching and reading for one hour. Regards Jenna
[videoblogging] Re: early days, blogs in different society and vogma manifesto
Wow! That's a lot of input! Thanks a lot to you, that's great for my research. @Jay: Yes, Adrian Miles was one of the first members of the group. We discussed his Vogma Manifesto (http://vogmae.net.au/drupal/vog/tbd), though I dont think he found the most responsive audience to his academic leanings. Within my doctorate Adrian's manifesto is going to get quite some attention in order to discuss the form, the style, the motivation and the content of videoblogs. One way is to see people in the United States as narcissistic. Very very true in many ways. But I like to think that many of us are more open and craving community that was stripped out of US society the past century. It might not always come across in healthy ways, but open makes more sense than narcissistic. Making it up as we go along. Tear down the castles. I see, my statement was not written precisely and my sentences can be misunderstand easily even though I think you, Jay, understood me well. My text in clear: I assume that Germans slightly tend to judge a videoblogger as narcissistic (worldwide, not only in the US) Myself, I see videoblogs as a way of self-assurance, freedom of opinion, sometimes journalism and above all communication. And here I am coming back to your point, Jay, that means openness as well. One thing: I think a lot of us just starting making stuff instead of figuring out how to define it. But I have a side of me that likes to say this is this. Both are good at appropriate times. Perfect! I agree perfectly! Actually, that's the way I am let's say educated. At my university they insist of studying the practise (you can see my productions here: www.JenniferAhl.de it's in German, but if you go just to the top, then to film you can just pick the first row of thumbnails you see and click on ansehen this film is without speech) and the theory. In short terms: Synergetic effects of that combination. There is no other way for my work, I always consider both sides of film and television even if the main focus lays on one of it. Bye and hope everything is understandable Jenna --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.ded...@... wrote: Thanks a lot for forwarding my email (to Joly - who?) and telling a bit about the early days. It's really helpful for my research because I hadn't been interested in web-videos at that time. Actually, I hadn't known about it before there was a local offer (just a platform with videos) for the town I lived in. Joly started Punkcast.com and has good stories recording NYC punk shows in audio/video starting in late 90's. Good article about him: http://www.villagevoice.com/2003-10-28/news/bootlegger-s-banquet/1 General, web-tv is not too famous in Germany. Mostly, I have the feeling it's still an American trend (anyway, especially in tech-stuff, Europe is round about 4 years behind the US they say)... That's a really, really good question for social science or cultural anthropology if and why citizens of some societies are more interested in showing their everyday life But on the other hand the mainstream reality tv is quite famous in Germany, even though I think it goes down in some time. (It has been so long the favourite of the tv networks... ) But blogs are different. I think for a society blog and videoblog are a good way for real self-assurance. Why is it less usual in Germany (assumed it is like that): Maybe blogs are associated with narcissism. Also, we have a more or less strict liability to criticism. So with a Videoblog you are really vulnerable.. Just spontaneous speculation! What do you think? One way is to see people in the United States as narcissistic. Very very true in many ways. But I like to think that many of us are more open and craving community that was stripped out of US society the past century. It might not always come across in healthy ways, but open makes more sense than narcissistic. Making it up as we go along. Tear down the castles. Peter Van Dijck, from Belgian, actually started this group when he lived in NYC. He always told me that Americans were much more in your face and he liked it. Can you tell me if the vogma manifesto was discussed within this group? I haven't found a wide discussion about it. Strange, if I had been there I would have had the necessity to discuss it in detail. A pity, five years too late ;-D. Yes, Adrian Miles was one of the first members of the group. We discussed his Vogma Manifesto (http://vogmae.net.au/drupal/vog/tbd), though I dont think he found the most responsive audience to his academic leanings. We were (are?) a lot of riff raff. In 2005, Michael Verdi made the Vlog Anarchy manifesto in response here (http://michaelverdi.com/2005/02/20/vlog-anarchy/). I think a lot of us just starting making stuff instead of figuring out how to define it. But I have a side of me that likes to say
[videoblogging] German-speaking videoblog scene + ReRe: Hello definition of videoblog
Hi Kirstin, Ehrensenf is great, I really like it and actually I am going to analyse it within my thesis. - Another videoprogram is Buschka entdeckt Deutschland (round about 30 minutes one guy walks through German cities without any script): http://www.buschka-entdeckt.de/ - There is www.rebell.tv but it's from Suisse. - Kavka vs. The Web: http://www.myspace.com/kavkavstheweb (Kavka is a German journalist) - http://www.robvegas.de/ - http://www.elektrischer-reporter.de/ (cooperation with a tv network, ZDF) - http://www.balconytv.com/hamburg/heutige-show.aspx (music-show on a small balcony in Hamburg) ...there are a lot. But I can't give you hardly any real videoblog apart from prominent people. Tell me about your impressions sometime. Jenna --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kirstin kirstinbut...@... wrote: Hi Jenn, Nice to meet you! As a big fan of Ehrensenf, I'm curious: what other videoprogram-type vlogs are popular in Germany? Best, Kirstin http://www.digest.tv http://www.digest.tv http://www.twitter.com/kirstinbutler http://www.twitter.com/kirstinbutler --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, elaluca11 mail@ wrote: Thanks a lot, Jay and Irina! I had checked the first 20 messages from the beginning of this group before I signed in. Really interesting, not only because it's already 5 years old. I agree, from 2005 on the Web-TV-community changes a lot because of YouTube. I divide the Web-TV-development in three parts: from 1993 until 2000 with pseudo.com, DEN and webisodes, 2000 until 2005 and the YouTube-era until today. Actually, there are not so many German-speaking vlogs. Most formats tend to a genre I call videoprogram (those I am concentrating on), they are more a semi-professional produced show or magazine (like Rocketboom). One quite famous videoblog of the scene just gave up: She (Schnutingers Netrzkabarett) was bashed because of acting in a commercial . However, in Germany there are rather videoblogs of prominent people than those of average citizens: like Angela Merkel's videoblog http://www.bundeskanzlerin.de/Webs/BK/De/Mediathek/Videos/videos.html (it's stiff and a kind of deadpan but unintentionally funny), the former videoblog of a famous show master (the German David Letterman: Harald Schmidt) or one blog of a German journalist: http://www.spiegel.de/video/video-36686.html. Bye Jenn P.S. Irina, I'll check Geek Entertainment TV out! Thanks for it. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Irina irinaski@ wrote: hi jennifer i am happy to help u as well i am not like steve or jay from 2004 but i am from 2005 lol (november, honestly) we are still producing it if u can imagine still wordpress plus blip.tv i have done many shows since then and just started a new one for an online newspaper in sf. irina slutsky On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: I am excited about the discussions in this community and the potential of so many people sharing thoughts about this topic! My first questions to you are: - Does someone know videoblogs founded from 2000 on (apart from Steve Garfield and Adam Kontras), English- or German-speaking ones? You should look in the archives of this group, started in 2004. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/messages/1?l=1 Here you will see how we were talking about videoblogs back then. Plenty of debates over the concept, term, and technical implementation. This is one of the frist messages of this group: (Peter and I) have had long talks about videoblogging and wanted to bring other people into the conversation. The ability to put video on blogs seems amazing to us, but there seem to be some obstacles. 1. Technically, the process takes too long.(capture, import, optimize, write some HTML, post). 2. existing servers don't allow much bandwidth and storage space. You'll either get screwed becasue too mnay people watch your posts, or you have to earse your archive video because youre out of space. 3. what is the language of videoblogging? is it little movies? or moments from your life? We believe that if we get interested people together, we'll answer all these questions. So this is the beginning. When this group started, there were only a few people who I found that were consciously posting video to blogs. Like Steve Garfield or Adrian Miles in Melbourne (http://vogmae.net.au/). Most people before 2004 seem to have posted video as an experiment as a one-off, were doing live video streaming, posted video to html pages (not blogs) so weren't easily searchable, or erased their archives. Here are some of the early folks in this group as seen from Videoblogging Week 2004. http://www.solitude.dk
