[videoblogging] Re: New macs will run XP
Virtualization features in certain Intel CPUs are good, but it doesnt change the fact that with virtual machines, the virtual OS is not seeing all the hardware natively, its being passed-through. This has a performance hit, and usually means some hardware will not work at all or not all of its features will work. Even with Parallels workstation, the virtual XP machine is not seeing the real motherboard, real network card, etc, but virtual ones that are hooked up to the real hardware via OSX and Parallels workstation. If they do indeed put some 3d graphics stuff in the next version, it will be very interesting to see how it performs. It has little chance of performing as well as their marketing. Cheers Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. Parallels Workstatoin 2.1 uses the Virtualization hardware that is a part of the Core Duo Yonah processor to accomplish hardware speed in the OS X Virtual environ thanks to Intel's new architecture. Users of Parallels' solution report they perceive it to be just as fast as the native boot that Boot Camp offers. But it is true they don't support 3-D gaming yet. They plan to do that in 3.0 this Summer. -- Taylor Barcroft New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 barcroft (gizmo) kungax (Skype) kungag5 (iChat-AIM) On Apr 8, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Steve Watkins wrote: Wheras if you use virtualisation stuff, OSX already has control of the graphics other hardware, so the virtualised Windows cannot speak directly to that hardware. This causes a performance hit. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: New macs will run XP
No. Parallels Workstatoin 2.1 uses the Virtualization hardware that is a part of the Core Duo Yonah processor to accomplish hardware speed in the OS X Virtual environ thanks to Intel's new architecture. Users of Parallels' solution report they perceive it to be just as fast as the native boot that Boot Camp offers. But it is true they don't support 3-D gaming yet. They plan to do that in 3.0 this Summer. -- Taylor Barcroft New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 barcroft (gizmo) kungax (Skype) kungag5 (iChat-AIM) On Apr 8, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Steve Watkins wrote: Wheras if you use virtualisation stuff, OSX already has control of the graphics other hardware, so the virtualised Windows cannot speak directly to that hardware. This causes a performance hit. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: New macs will run XP
Native booting of Windows as opposed to virtual computer approach still has some speed/performance advantages. Yes its true that less emulation is required when Macs with an Intel Intel chip used, but any virtualisation stuff is still going to be slower than booting straight to that OS. If you use the Apple thing to boot straight to Windows, then Windows will see the hardware directly, graphics driver in windows will directly speak to graphics hardware. Wheras if you use virtualisation stuff, OSX already has control of the graphics other hardware, so the virtualised Windows cannot speak directly to that hardware. This causes a performance hit. Both solutions have their strengths and weaknesses. If you want to run high performance Windows games, multimedia apps etc, then directly booting to windows will offer best performance. If you just need to run some Windows software where performance isnt so much of an issue, virtual computer stuff is an easier option that will work just fine. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's right Bill. What is a WINE-like solution Bill? Run Windows apps without the OS? How can that be? But no you will still need to launch windows in the Parallels Workstation 2.1, but it is super fast as it does use the Intel Virtualization hardware in the Core Duo to run everything right off the Intel hardware. It's amazing. Everyone who has installed it says it's running faster than anything they've ever had or seen on like 2 GHz iMacs and MacBook Pros. -- Taylor Barcroft New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 barcroft (gizmo) kungax (Skype) kungag5 (iChat-AIM) On Apr 6, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Bill Streeter wrote: Number one being that you can switch from one OS to the other without having to reboot. There shouldn't be the performance issues that there used to be with Virtual PC solution that they had on the PowerPC based Macs, since there wouldn't be any processor emulation involved. I expect there to be a WINE-like solution soon. Where Windows software can just run natively in the Mac OS without having to bother to boot up Windows at all. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: New macs will run XP
Now...I wonder when Apple will allow us to run OSX on Non-Apple hardware? Not like it hasnt been done and that some of us havent played with it already. Ya ya. Dont even start with the Apple makes it's money in hardware and not software argument. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Harold Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep; looks to be real: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2006/apr/05bootcamp.html Harold On 4/6/06, Harold Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that was a joke; is this for real? Perhaps Apple, realizing that hackers were doing it anyway, decided to join 'em (rather than try an beat 'em)... Harold On 4/6/06, Richard Show [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you guys seen this!?! (I'm pretty sure it's not an April Fools *http://tinyurl.com/okpdq **http://tinyurl.com/jlww4 ... wow ... * -- Richard http://www.richardshow.com -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: New macs will run XP
Number one being that you can switch from one OS to the other without having to reboot. There shouldn't be the performance issues that there used to be with Virtual PC solution that they had on the PowerPC based Macs, since there wouldn't be any processor emulation involved. I expect there to be a WINE-like solution soon. Where Windows software can just run natively in the Mac OS without having to bother to boot up Windows at all. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oops reverse that .. youd said that booting from windows on MAC hardware was INFERIOR and much more dangerous than running it in a virtual machine ... But I dont see why ... why? In fact I can think of more than a few reasons I'd rather have it actually booting from the OS I want to use. On 4/6/06, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw your first post, Kunga, but I didn't catch why running windows in a virtual machine is INFERIOR and much more dangerous than booting it natively .. care to explain? On 4/6/06, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obolete info. The real news is that you can run Windows INSIDE OS X. You just have overlooked my post earlier. Parallels Opened Up Their Mac OS X Download this morning and they are hosed. But when things calm down here's the links: http://www.parallels.com/en/download/mac/ Downloads Page with 3 PDFs at the bottom to download and read all about it. http://www.parallels.com/en/news/id,8655 Press Release I think this is a better solution than Boot Camp. But they each may have their time and place. -- Taylor On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:20 AM, Harold Johnson wrote: I thought that was a joke; is this for real? Perhaps Apple, realizing that hackers were doing it anyway, decided to join 'em (rather than try an beat 'em)... Harold On 4/6/06, Richard Show [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you guys seen this!?! (I'm pretty sure it's not an April Fools http://tinyurl.com/okpdq http://tinyurl.com/jlww4 ... wow ... Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com feed: http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed -- http://www.DavidMeade.com feed: http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: New macs will run XP
That's right Bill. What is a WINE-like solution Bill? Run Windows apps without the OS? How can that be? But no you will still need to launch windows in the Parallels Workstation 2.1, but it is super fast as it does use the Intel Virtualization hardware in the Core Duo to run everything right off the Intel hardware. It's amazing. Everyone who has installed it says it's running faster than anything they've ever had or seen on like 2 GHz iMacs and MacBook Pros. -- Taylor Barcroft New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 barcroft (gizmo) kungax (Skype) kungag5 (iChat-AIM) On Apr 6, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Bill Streeter wrote: Number one being that you can switch from one OS to the other without having to reboot. There shouldn't be the performance issues that there used to be with Virtual PC solution that they had on the PowerPC based Macs, since there wouldn't be any processor emulation involved. I expect there to be a WINE-like solution soon. Where Windows software can just run natively in the Mac OS without having to bother to boot up Windows at all. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: New macs will run XP
I admit that being able to toggle back and forth is nice ... but ... if the VM app works like ones I have used in the windows world ... with this application your windows system would exist as a bunch of files within the MAC OS file system ... if yout MAC OS ever got hosed you'd lose the Windows system too wouldnt you? Not so if you'd duel booted ... they'd be seperate file systems / partitions / whatever. Also ... I've seen performance hits on windows VMs running on PC hardware (no chip emmulation there either). I guess i'm thinking of this from a perspective of wanting to run very resource intensive apps. I like VMs ... they definately win out in alot of scenarios for ease of use. I just wasnt ready to call them clearly superior or more secure :-P - DaveOn 4/6/06, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's right Bill. What is a WINE-like solution Bill? Run Windowsapps without the OS? How can that be?But no you will still need to launch windows in the ParallelsWorkstation 2.1, but it is super fast as it does use the Intel Virtualization hardware in the Core Duo to run everything right offthe Intel hardware. It's amazing. Everyone who has installed it saysit's running faster than anything they've ever had or seen on like 2GHz iMacs and MacBook Pros. --Taylor BarcroftNew Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, FuturecasterSanta Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon ValleyURL http://FutureMedia.orgRSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMediaiTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87barcroft (gizmo)kungax (Skype)kungag5 (iChat-AIM)On Apr 6, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Bill Streeter wrote: Number one being that you can switch from one OS to the other without having to reboot. There shouldn't be the performance issues that there used to be with Virtual PC solution that they had on the PowerPC based Macs, since there wouldn't be any processor emulation involved. I expect there to be a WINE-like solution soon. Where Windows software can just run natively in the Mac OS without having to bother to boot up Windows at all.Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- http://www.DavidMeade.com feed:http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: New macs will run XP
See here's the reason why this is a big deal to me ... ... the entire university of missouri system - all four campuses, have standardized on outlook, so, for example people all over can see my calendar and schedule stuff and see when I'm busy, so like, I get an email asking if I want to accept/decline a calendar thing and, if I accept it automatically goes on my calendar, and there's an address book that is automatic and I can find anyones address info in the system or email, just by typing a few letters, and there are other functions as well ... I have been trying to use entourage, and it doesn't do half that stuff and crashes all the time - if I could run outlook it would be much better ... for distance learning we use a program called centra and webEx - only work on windows ... I use my OTHER computer ... ... just now, I was planning on using recording from my digital recorder I got a while ago, in an new video for vlog week ... to compensate for the lack of mic jack on the handycam, and, lo and behold, it only works with windows (at the time I got it, that's what I used) ... ... so, all of these programs, I could run, without having two computers sitting on my desk, and without having to have two lap tops and still have apple advantages... so, for me, in particular, sitting in this tech university, and wanting to use a mac, it's a big deal ... why did I write all that? who am I arguing with? who doesn't already understand these advantages? ... I don't know! ... my hands keep typing, and I can't stop ... ahhh ahhh ahhh ... Richard On 4/6/06, Richard Show [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you guys seen this!?!(I'm pretty sure it's not an April Foolshttp://tinyurl.com/okpdq http://tinyurl.com/jlww4 ... wow ... -- Richard http://www.richardshow.com -- Richard http://www.richardshow.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: New macs will run XP
I will add to this...although I've not used them recently (in the last year or so) in the past, I would use vmware to do development and testing on different os's. I would find flaky little bugs that never showed in a full os. As support and product developer for my employer, we see the odd incident come to us where we can't reproduce an issue, and if the user tires it on a non-vm...no repro either.Just my two cents. VM's have a huge advantage, but not a magic bullet quite yet. On 4/6/06, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I admit that being able to toggle back and forth is nice ... but ... if the VM app works like ones I have used in the windows world ... with this application your windows system would exist as a bunch of files within the MAC OS file system ... if yout MAC OS ever got hosed you'd lose the Windows system too wouldnt you? Not so if you'd duel booted ... they'd be seperate file systems / partitions / whatever. Also ... I've seen performance hits on windows VMs running on PC hardware (no chip emmulation there either). I guess i'm thinking of this from a perspective of wanting to run very resource intensive apps. I like VMs ... they definately win out in alot of scenarios for ease of use. I just wasnt ready to call them clearly superior or more secure :-P - DaveOn 4/6/06, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's right Bill. What is a WINE-like solution Bill? Run Windowsapps without the OS? How can that be?But no you will still need to launch windows in the ParallelsWorkstation 2.1, but it is super fast as it does use the Intel Virtualization hardware in the Core Duo to run everything right offthe Intel hardware. It's amazing. Everyone who has installed it saysit's running faster than anything they've ever had or seen on like 2GHz iMacs and MacBook Pros. --Taylor BarcroftNew Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, FuturecasterSanta Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon ValleyURL http://FutureMedia.orgRSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMediaiTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87barcroft (gizmo)kungax (Skype) kungag5 (iChat-AIM)On Apr 6, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Bill Streeter wrote: Number one being that you can switch from one OS to the other without having to reboot. There shouldn't be the performance issues that there used to be with Virtual PC solution that they had on the PowerPC based Macs, since there wouldn't be any processor emulation involved. I expect there to be a WINE-like solution soon. Where Windows software can just run natively in the Mac OS without having to bother to boot up Windows at all.Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- http://www.DavidMeade.com feed:http://www.DavidMeade.com/feed SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~Devlonhttp://loadedpun.com | http://mefeedia.com http://8bitme.blogspot.com | http://devlonduthie.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: New macs will run XP
Nope. This Virtualization is seated in Intel's new Virtualization Hardware in the Duo Core Processors. Windows resides in a secure volume that does not co-mingle with OS X. Read all about it: http://www.parallels.com/en/download/mac/ 3 pdfs on the bottom of the download page. http://www.parallels.com/en/news/id,8655 press release -- Taylor Barcroft New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 barcroft (gizmo) kungax (Skype) kungag5 (iChat-AIM) On Apr 6, 2006, at 4:20 PM, David Meade wrote: I admit that being able to toggle back and forth is nice ... but ... if the VM app works like ones I have used in the windows world ... with this application your windows system would exist as a bunch of files within the MAC OS file system ... if yout MAC OS ever got hosed you'd lose the Windows system too wouldnt you? Not so if you'd duel booted ... they'd be seperate file systems / partitions / whatever. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: New macs will run XP
All the more reason you will be happier with the Parallels solution.
Do you have an Intel Mac yet?
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On Apr 6, 2006, at 4:21 PM, Richard Show wrote:
See here's the reason why this is a big deal to me ...
... the entire university of missouri system - all four campuses,
have standardized on outlook, so, for example people all over can
see my calendar and schedule stuff and see when I'm busy, so like,
I get an email asking if I want to accept/decline a calendar thing
and, if I accept it automatically goes on my calendar, and there's
an address book that is automatic and I can find anyones address
info in the system or email, just by typing a few letters, and
there are other functions as well ... I have been trying to use
entourage, and it doesn't do half that stuff and crashes all the
time - if I could run outlook it would be much better
... for distance learning we use a program called centra and webEx
- only work on windows ... I use my OTHER computer ...
... just now, I was planning on using recording from my digital
recorder I got a while ago, in an new video for vlog week ... to
compensate for the lack of mic jack on the handycam, and, lo and
behold, it only works with windows (at the time I got it, that's
what I used) ...
... so, all of these programs, I could run, without having two
computers sitting on my desk, and without having to have two lap
tops and still have apple advantages
... so, for me, in particular, sitting in this tech university, and
wanting to use a mac, it's a big deal
... why did I write all that? who am I arguing with? who doesn't
already understand these advantages? ... I don't know! ... my hands
keep typing, and I can't stop ... ahhh ahhh ahhh ...
Richard
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: New Macs will run XP
Speaking of Video Blogs. How bout this one of Half-Life running natively in XP on a 2GHz Intel iMac? Pretty amazing stuff. http://www.cabel.name/2006/04/boot-camp-first-look-half-life-2- video.html BTW Only the missing 3-D Support keeps Parallels Workstation 2.1 from being a gaming environ. I IMed with Parallels this afternoon and they said that 3-D support will be in their 3.0 version this summer. Said it's simply a matter of getting driver info from the card manufacturers that are in the Macs. So the Dual Boot may not be much of a needed factor by Fall for even the most demanding 3-D XP applications/games. -- Taylor Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
