[videoblogging] Scripting News: 4/18/2007
Dave Winer wrote this post: Vlogging comes to mass murder The Virginia Tech shooter sent a package of video and pictures to NBC. In other words, vlogging comes to mass murder, in ways no one anticipated (or no one I know). http://scripting.com/ Share your thoughts with him. I did. --Steve -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com
Re: [videoblogging] Scripting News: 4/18/2007
Bullshit Bullshit BULLSHIT tech piece, trying to find a tech angle that didn't need to be found. Maybe in order to justify writing about it on a tech blog. Wow, Dave, I didn't know that everyone who ever owned a video camera and shot home movies of themselves talking on it was a vlogger. Um, isn't the internet involved somehow? No? Then I know loads of vloggers! Cool, I should invite my dad to this group. He'd fit right in. Hm. What *is* a videoblog? Quote Doc Searls response: We don't know if he thought about uploading them to YouTube. But, since he planned to fill the rest of his morning with murder, it's likely that he didn't want to post his plans on the Live Web -- where somebody might see it and get authorities to stop him. So he opted instead for snail mail and a big bang later on the small screen. YouTube would come, inevitably, later. Um. WWW.WHATEVER.DUDE Quote Winer: In other words, vlogging comes to mass murder, in ways no one anticipated (or no one I know). It makes perfect sense, in a perfectly senseless way. Leaving aside the meaning of vlogging for a second... it COMES TO mass murder? COMES TO? WHAT Does it really make sense, Dave, does it REALLY? Quote Winer: We're watching it on MSNBC now. It's amazing stuff. The videos are Quicktime files. NBC should release all of the videos in Quicktime form as downloads. It's wrong to withhold them. It's WRONG TO WITHOLD THEM? Why? Can you substantiate that intellectually AT ALL? Because it was this fucking guy's last wish, and we should honour that? In what way does anybody benefit from seeing it - and how do the families of the dead feel about it? Or, um, is it because you're getting a rush from listening to a real life psycho? COME ON, MAN. GROW UP. THINK. God, I can't believe I just got so wound up about this. As David Lynch would say, Bullshit. Fucking Bullshit. Rupert http://twittervlog.blogspot.com/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 19 Apr 2007, at 13:09, Steve Garfield wrote: Dave Winer wrote this post: Vlogging comes to mass murder The Virginia Tech shooter sent a package of video and pictures to NBC. In other words, vlogging comes to mass murder, in ways no one anticipated (or no one I know). http://scripting.com/ Share your thoughts with him. I did. --Steve -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Rupert, Apryl I were just thinking the same exact thing. I'll take it a bit further... Talk like that is FUCKING STUPID! We have no right to see that footage, and there is little reason to show it, other than to titillate the latent psycho in all of us. I just don't know wtf people are thinking these days. The corporate media have proven themselves to be absolute whores on this one, and it's fucking stupid. I have never been more happy that we have all but eliminated the boob tube from our home. I am almost sad that we had it on this morning and I got to hear about him being a 'videoblogger'. Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv On Apr 19, 2007, at 8:32 AM, Rupert wrote: Bullshit Bullshit BULLSHIT tech piece, trying to find a tech angle that didn't need to be found. Maybe in order to justify writing about it on a tech blog. Wow, Dave, I didn't know that everyone who ever owned a video camera and shot home movies of themselves talking on it was a vlogger. Um, isn't the internet involved somehow? No? Then I know loads of vloggers! Cool, I should invite my dad to this group. He'd fit right in. Hm. What *is* a videoblog? Quote Doc Searls response: We don't know if he thought about uploading them to YouTube. But, since he planned to fill the rest of his morning with murder, it's likely that he didn't want to post his plans on the Live Web -- where somebody might see it and get authorities to stop him. So he opted instead for snail mail and a big bang later on the small screen. YouTube would come, inevitably, later. Um. WWW.WHATEVER.DUDE Quote Winer: In other words, vlogging comes to mass murder, in ways no one anticipated (or no one I know). It makes perfect sense, in a perfectly senseless way. Leaving aside the meaning of vlogging for a second... it COMES TO mass murder? COMES TO? WHAT Does it really make sense, Dave, does it REALLY? Quote Winer: We're watching it on MSNBC now. It's amazing stuff. The videos are Quicktime files. NBC should release all of the videos in Quicktime form as downloads. It's wrong to withhold them. It's WRONG TO WITHOLD THEM? Why? Can you substantiate that intellectually AT ALL? Because it was this fucking guy's last wish, and we should honour that? In what way does anybody benefit from seeing it - and how do the families of the dead feel about it? Or, um, is it because you're getting a rush from listening to a real life psycho? COME ON, MAN. GROW UP. THINK. God, I can't believe I just got so wound up about this. As David Lynch would say, Bullshit. Fucking Bullshit. Rupert http://twittervlog.blogspot.com/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 19 Apr 2007, at 13:09, Steve Garfield wrote: Dave Winer wrote this post: Vlogging comes to mass murder The Virginia Tech shooter sent a package of video and pictures to NBC. In other words, vlogging comes to mass murder, in ways no one anticipated (or no one I know). http://scripting.com/ Share your thoughts with him. I did. --Steve -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I did too, you can read my posting at http://www.garyshort.org/?p=594 Cheers, Gary On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:09:49 -0400, Steve Garfield wrote Dave Winer wrote this post: Vlogging comes to mass murder The Virginia Tech shooter sent a package of video and pictures to NBC. In other words, vlogging comes to mass murder, in ways no one anticipated (or no one I know). http://scripting.com/ Share your thoughts with him. I did. --Steve -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com -- Gary Short http://www.garyshort.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Scripting News: 4/18/2007
Right on. The other thing that I said in my comments on Dave's blog was, If hed written a personal statement and sent it to NBC, would you have called it Blogging? I doubt youd have thought you could get away with that. On 19 Apr 2007, at 14:11, Gary Short wrote: I did too, you can read my posting at http://www.garyshort.org/?p=594 Cheers, Gary On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:09:49 -0400, Steve Garfield wrote Dave Winer wrote this post: Vlogging comes to mass murder The Virginia Tech shooter sent a package of video and pictures to NBC. In other words, vlogging comes to mass murder, in ways no one anticipated (or no one I know). http://scripting.com/ Share your thoughts with him. I did. --Steve -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com -- Gary Short http://www.garyshort.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Scripting News: 4/18/2007
just steeled myself to leave a slightly more measured and less capitalized version of that rant on Winer's blog. in the other comments, kosso mentioned the possibility of inspiring copycats by screening these videos, which is an even more important reason not to show them. i realise that we all sometimes write and publish things that we haven't thought through properly, and we should give everybody the benefit of the doubt - but this seemed technically wrong, idiotic, unnecessarily harmful to the image of the tech and vlogging communities *and* lacking in compassion/humanity, so I think its OK to call him on it in strong terms. plus he's the opposite of an amateur newcomer and he says that he took it down and put it back up again while waiting for more news from NBC, so it wasn't unconsidered. Rupert On 19 Apr 2007, at 13:32, Rupert wrote: Bullshit Bullshit BULLSHIT tech piece, trying to find a tech angle that didn't need to be found. Maybe in order to justify writing about it on a tech blog. Wow, Dave, I didn't know that everyone who ever owned a video camera and shot home movies of themselves talking on it was a vlogger. Um, isn't the internet involved somehow? No? Then I know loads of vloggers! Cool, I should invite my dad to this group. He'd fit right in. Hm. What *is* a videoblog? Quote Doc Searls response: We don't know if he thought about uploading them to YouTube. But, since he planned to fill the rest of his morning with murder, it's likely that he didn't want to post his plans on the Live Web -- where somebody might see it and get authorities to stop him. So he opted instead for snail mail and a big bang later on the small screen. YouTube would come, inevitably, later. Um. WWW.WHATEVER.DUDE Quote Winer: In other words, vlogging comes to mass murder, in ways no one anticipated (or no one I know). It makes perfect sense, in a perfectly senseless way. Leaving aside the meaning of vlogging for a second... it COMES TO mass murder? COMES TO? WHAT Does it really make sense, Dave, does it REALLY? Quote Winer: We're watching it on MSNBC now. It's amazing stuff. The videos are Quicktime files. NBC should release all of the videos in Quicktime form as downloads. It's wrong to withhold them. It's WRONG TO WITHOLD THEM? Why? Can you substantiate that intellectually AT ALL? Because it was this fucking guy's last wish, and we should honour that? In what way does anybody benefit from seeing it - and how do the families of the dead feel about it? Or, um, is it because you're getting a rush from listening to a real life psycho? COME ON, MAN. GROW UP. THINK. God, I can't believe I just got so wound up about this. As David Lynch would say, Bullshit. Fucking Bullshit. Rupert http://twittervlog.blogspot.com/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 19 Apr 2007, at 13:09, Steve Garfield wrote: Dave Winer wrote this post: Vlogging comes to mass murder The Virginia Tech shooter sent a package of video and pictures to NBC. In other words, vlogging comes to mass murder, in ways no one anticipated (or no one I know). http://scripting.com/ Share your thoughts with him. I did. --Steve -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I like this response better than my own. - Andreas Den 19.04.2007 kl. 14:32 skrev Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bullshit Bullshit BULLSHIT tech piece, trying to find a tech angle that didn't need to be found. Maybe in order to justify writing about it on a tech blog. Wow, Dave, I didn't know that everyone who ever owned a video camera and shot home movies of themselves talking on it was a vlogger. Um, isn't the internet involved somehow? No? Then I know loads of vloggers! Cool, I should invite my dad to this group. He'd fit right in. Hm. What *is* a videoblog? Quote Doc Searls response: We don't know if he thought about uploading them to YouTube. But, since he planned to fill the rest of his morning with murder, it's likely that he didn't want to post his plans on the Live Web -- where somebody might see it and get authorities to stop him. So he opted instead for snail mail and a big bang later on the small screen. YouTube would come, inevitably, later. Um. WWW.WHATEVER.DUDE Quote Winer: In other words, vlogging comes to mass murder, in ways no one anticipated (or no one I know). It makes perfect sense, in a perfectly senseless way. Leaving aside the meaning of vlogging for a second... it COMES TO mass murder? COMES TO? WHAT Does it really make sense, Dave, does it REALLY? Quote Winer: We're watching it on MSNBC now. It's amazing stuff. The videos are Quicktime files. NBC should release all of the videos in Quicktime form as downloads. It's wrong to withhold them. It's WRONG TO WITHOLD THEM? Why? Can you substantiate that intellectually AT ALL? Because it was this fucking guy's last wish, and we should honour that? In what way does anybody benefit from seeing it - and how do the families of the dead feel about it? Or, um, is it because you're getting a rush from listening to a real life psycho? COME ON, MAN. GROW UP. THINK. God, I can't believe I just got so wound up about this. As David Lynch would say, Bullshit. Fucking Bullshit. Rupert http://twittervlog.blogspot.com/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 19 Apr 2007, at 13:09, Steve Garfield wrote: Dave Winer wrote this post: Vlogging comes to mass murder The Virginia Tech shooter sent a package of video and pictures to NBC. In other words, vlogging comes to mass murder, in ways no one anticipated (or no one I know). http://scripting.com/ Share your thoughts with him. I did. --Steve -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/
Re: [videoblogging] Scripting News: 4/18/2007
NewTeeVee used a similar headline at URL: http://newteevee.com/2007/04/18/virginia-tech-killer-vlogged-manifesto/ It was stupid there and it's stupid on scripting news. Mailing dvds to your local network affiliate does not constitute vlogging. - Andreas Den 19.04.2007 kl. 14:09 skrev Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dave Winer wrote this post: Vlogging comes to mass murder The Virginia Tech shooter sent a package of video and pictures to NBC. In other words, vlogging comes to mass murder, in ways no one anticipated (or no one I know). http://scripting.com/ Share your thoughts with him. I did. --Steve -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/
[videoblogging] Scripting News: 4/18/2007
I'm kind of getting off topic here a bit, but I am so angry I'm angry about the corporate media's ineptitude and their condescension towards our media. We are 100 times more accurate and informative than those corporate wigs and pasty faces. I'm not 'trying to process what is happening and this tragic last mode of expression.' No offense meant, Gena, but I'm all done trying to process sociopathic mass killing. I struggled with the 50 or so dead Afghanis at the wedding party in 2002, and the steady march to the grave for hundreds of thousands of brown people on the other side of the planet, so we can beat our chests and pretend that we are defending America, when in reality we are doing nothing but ensuring that there will be hundreds of thousands more in the years to come. I struggles with the idea that 2 in 10 Americans are uninsured or underinsured. I wonder how many people die per day because of that. I'm sorry if some of you think that is crude, rude, or otherwise unfeeling, to compare this tragedy to something so far away, or so fuzzy in terms of focus, but there is really no difference in my mind between people on the other side of the planet being blown up, shot, beheaded, etc, people dying because they can't afford to 'shop for healthcare', and those unfortunate students and faculty at VT being gunned down by a lone psycho. It's all the same. Bad people making decisions to kill people. The only difference is that we can control public policy, but we can't control the lone psycho, I think that's one of the things that has got me so burned about this. This is just a taste of the reality we are foisting upon people all over the planet, and to see this outpouring of grief and knowing that life in America has stopped because of this butchery just pisses me off. This happens to brown people across the world everyday in our name, and we, as a people, don't give one shit. When it happens to 'our' children, to our friends and family, the world must stop and pay their respects. I am going to catch some flamage from this for sure, but I don't care. I'm too numb from death and dismemberment to really feel for these kids that so tragically lost their lives to the actions of a well armed sociopath. I guess to some of you that will make me a monster, but oh well, that's the truth. A couple former athletes of mine go to VT, and I have no idea whether or not they were involved. I'm betting that they were not, based on the sheer numbers of students, but I can't be sure. Perhaps that could cut through the numbness and force me to re-examine my position. I do hope that is not the case. This reminds me of the sniper a few years ago. He was caught a few miles from my former home in Maryland. At the same time those 7 people were killed by that lone psychopath, 9 people died of a listeria outbreak 20 miles north of my home. The corporate media was nearly silent. A lone gunman that we could never hope to control gets all the coverage, and a systemic problem that we could fix gets ignored. It was horrible. I will not be suprised in the least if vlogging and blogging wind up being tied into this horrible tragedy. We frighten the corporate media, and if they can make us look like an 'Other' they will do so. Those of you who watched post season football may remember the demonization of 'the bloggers' by the on air personalities. I have no idea why 'bloggers' need to be demonized by professional sports talking heads, but they were, and it was palpable. I totally expect the corporate media to try to pound another nail into free media's coffin with this tragedy. That's what they do. We simply have no business delivering information to people. We have no business entertaining people. And if the corporate media can, they will make sure that we have no business, period. Here's where this rant gets a little off topic... So right on the heels of psycho video cut number 20, the media circus turns family, and hobbles along to another tragedy, the systemic killing of god knows how many family pets. A couple of my clients lost dogs to the poison pet food problem we had a few weeks ago. Granted their not people, but they are family members and as this tragedy shows, people are more affected by the death of someone they have a relationship with than people with which they have no ties. Anyway, they had a vet on talking about nutrition. If any of you have pets, please take this piece of advice: Don't consult your vet about nutrition. They don't know anything about nutrition. Find a good behaviorist and consult them. Ever try to ask your doctor about nutrition? They look at you like you are crazy then tell you to find a nutritionist. Same thing. Anyway the vet on there starts yammering on about this drug and that drug to control allergies, talks about this test and that test, but nothing about the main
