Well, I'll add some totally unrelated experience and analysis.
I play Frisbee with my dogs. We do it at an elite level. If you've
seen discdogs on TV more than once, you've most likely seen me and
some of my dogs.
Discdoggers have had a very rough time as a community. Talk about
fractious,
Thanks Sull for the background info. Ironically the conversation
about collaboration has halted.
Someone posted the other day that we are in an Age of Narcissusism.
Maybe it is generally true that vloggers are self-driven, and that is
the reason community collaboration has been difficult.
The
I agree about the participation, I wish more here posted, just to
have a few more voices be heard
Heath
http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, leanbackvids
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Sull for the background info. Ironically the conversation
about
I agree with you Andrew, especialy in regards to a way to
easily find content, etc. I watch quite a few vlogs but I am sure
that there are a whole bunch more that I would be interested in if I
just knew about them.
As it stands right know there is no easy way to find vlogs, yes you
have
Generally speaking, I think decentralized sites are better than one
uber site.
But, ownership is the major roadblock for collaborating on a killer app.
Without a legal contract (lawyer fees), the person who registered the
domain will own everything, and the unfortunate reality is that most
The closest efforts that I am aware of are ourmedia.org and node101.org.
Ourmedia is still lost in orbit but I know there are some efforts to do a
relaunch/refocus.
Node101... they succeeded in raising money from vloggercon ($20k?). But I
do not know what the money will go towards in the coming
What about all the other sites out there that are just taking
peoples feed? Like blogtelevision.net, the last time I checked my
feed was there along with porno.good quality stuff there I tell
you..my point is with all of these sites popping up for every
one that you know about there
- I want it to be opt-in
- I want prominent link to my site
- I want a link to the post's permalink
- I want a link to my feed (not the directory's feed of my stuff)
- I want my work's license displayed
I find this list of points to be spot on as the primary concerns.
I think FireAnt,
I agree with almost everything Andrew says below, in spirit, (I say, in
spirit, because I don't know Jeff Pulver or Chris Brogan), especially with
respect to the importance of net-neutrality being central in 2007 ...
However, one point I would disagree on - Andrew said ... As more and more
Hey Richard- Blip rocks, and I would be happy to see them succeed,
too. Or rather, they'd BETTER succeed, because my little videoblog is
on there, and I don't want to go find a new friend. -- Chris...
I'm curious-- what do some of the people in this discussion think of flickr
as a service, site, and business?
(Adam, Steve, etc)
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Well I feel their potential value for creators is along the
publicity/promotion side of things at the moment (not knowing what
future feature/services they may have planned). I have little doubt
that there are many creators of episodic show stuff that can benefit
from this stuff if its done the
Oops I worded that sentence very badly, didnt meant that spam could be
a useful thing, but that other forms of publicity etc can be.
Cheers
Steve Elbows
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:If I were a content producer Id
care about how they did this as
exactly, michael.
network2 aside when others have come here talking about building a new
directory/portal/guide and so on... i usually say.. hey thats sounds fine
and dandy... welcome i hope you add value and not just wrap your new
site with ads etcetera.
granted, adding value can be a
I've stayed out of this discussion thus far, but I wanted to chime in and
say there's a fundamental difference between a directory service and a
network service. A network implies partnership. A directory does not.
-Rick Rey
On 12/18/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's what I
Blip adds value to my day, but then, I'm not only a Network2, I'm also
a client:
http://blip.tv/file/118111
Hi Rick. : )
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rick Rey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've stayed out of this discussion thus far, but I wanted to chime
in and
say there's a
a network can contain and present itself as a directory though.
but yes, i see your point.
For instance, http://revision3.com is a network because they have original
content partnerships.
but partnerships can also be made with aggregator/directory services.
sull
On 12/18/06, Rick Rey [EMAIL
On Dec 18, 2006, at 5:23 PM, sull wrote:
so, let's talke about 'added value'.
No one has put it all together in one easy place to discover. Its an
obvious missing gap and the value to everyone is immense.
For this reason, I believe (so far) the directory part of the
conversation should be
Andrew,
I'm not trying to get in an argument with you but I am interested in a
clarification of your thoughts here. In the past you've written to this list
about all the trouble you've had with sites that have sucked in the
Rocketboom feed allowing people to watch episodes embeded in pages that
Obviously you feel something is different here with Network2. Can you
explain why you see this as different?
-Verdi
Sure, it all comes down to the people.
The aggregator I complained about recently involved a guy who
threatened to sue Rocketboom.
This aggregator involves a guy who has
Oh I see that the founder of network2.tv has now blogged about this
stuff and shares a similar position to Chris Brogan, a complete lack
of understanding about most of the points I made:
http://pulverblog.pulver.com/archives/006117.html
Swine
Steve Elbows
OK I ve found a nice blog post about these issues, hopefully
network2.tv can show that to their lawyers and see if they get the
point I and others have tried to make.
I stop ranting now.
http://weblog.burningbird.net/2006/01/18/that-old-copyright-song/
Cheers
Steve Elbows
--- In
Here are my thoughts...
The reality is there is money to be made in aggregating and presenting
content. In other words it's a commercial use of people's content.
Maybe a site doesn't have ads or even charges money for content but if
they get lots of viewers because they have lots of content then,
So what do I want from a directory?
- I want it to be opt-in
- I want prominent link to my site
- I want a link to the post's permalink
- I want a link to my feed (not the directory's feed of my stuff)
- I want my work's license displayed
I think this is the minimum required.
I agree
This is the context from which you should have started with us, Chris.
On 12/16/06, [chrisbrogan.com] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I got this hilarious bunch of emails from David at Mommy.tv (a really
great show- and if you've seen The Clip Show, Jim Kirks called me
out!). It TOTALLY seems to
Two quick points-
We don't embed. We have a thumbnail that points to your feed. There's
nothing copied and stored in our system but the data of the RSS (no
rich file).
We only got the request formally to take down the show of the person
who complained moments ago. I wasn't going to take it
Hi Steve-
Specific to Blip, I'd say yes without a doubt that we're friends.
We've spent time with Mike and Dina, and have had them speak at our
events. Mike and Dina (and Charles and the team) supported PodCamp
Boston, my first free unconference. We have a relationship.
We have friends and
Cheers for the reply. The blip.tv folks are a shining example of
people who listen very careful to feedback, so if there are any
contentious issues about exactly hw your service woks, I highly
recommend speaking to them to get another angle on things. blip.tv ask
uploads to specify a license for
For the record sull, those feeds came in from blip, vimeo, vsocial, etc.
via our ping service. The other end (blip, vsocial) had to send us the
data...more like being fed than sucking ;) It is an old service that
isn't in action anymore.
And yes, some of them are a pain now and that's an
Independent producers, the ones doing innovative things, creative things,
with their CONTENT, are being left behind in the billion dollar Youtube
new media revolution.
There are people doing very impressive, intelligent, timeless things. Many
of which, idealistically, have no ulterior motives
After re-reading that it appears that I called Casey shit. I do not think
that Casey McKinnon is Shit. I think that Galacticast is Shit.
On 12/15/06, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Independent producers, the ones doing innovative things, creative things,
with their CONTENT, are being
As to Network2's involvement in the personal media revolution
3rd paragraph of this http://www.evilvlog.com/?p=6256 deals with the
underlying animosity that is brought upon video portal sites, and says
exactly this for those that would rather not follow the link:
The thing about Network2 or
...Mefeedia is opt-in I think, but I am not sure about FireAnt, I
know that my feed was in there before I I registared in
fireant.maybe that has something to do with the 1 click
subscription button, I don't know, regardless, it doesn't bother
me
Heath
http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com
How can you seperate the two? You are calling her work shit, then
IMO you are calling her the same thing. And one more
thing Apoligies to anyone offended? That's a cop-out, you know you
will offend some people, the statement is meant to offend, because
you used strong words to invoke a
So, in sending out an email to each person we have on our site,
telling them what we're about, asking them to check and see if we've
represented them appropriately, asking them to call me or email if
there are questions or concerns, etc., that's not showing an interest
in establishing a
Actually, you can hate the work and like the creator of said work. You
dont hate your new puppy for taking a piss on the floor. You love your
puppy. You just dont like the behavior.
I see nothing wrong with criticism. Be it harsh or mean spirited.
Movie critics do it every day. If one is going to
As with any business, we'll work to create the appropriate
relationships to share revenue when that comes about. For now, it's
more about building awareness, driving attention to the work.
Has that caught on yet? The notion that what we're trying to do is
separate what YOU do from the average
On Dec 15, 2006, at 6:30 AM, [chrisbrogan.com] wrote:
As with any business, we'll work to create the appropriate
relationships to share revenue when that comes about. For now, it's
more about building awareness, driving attention to the work.
I think that this often repeated statement has
On Dec 15, 2006, at 6:21 AM, [chrisbrogan.com] wrote:
If EVER you don't want to be featured on Network2, please let me know.
I have no problem with an easy opt-out. (Please email me or call me
directly, because I might miss that call on this very active list).
that's cheezy
opt-out is
Normally I would agree with that thought process, but in this case it
just seemed, unduly harsh, in my opinion.especialy considering
that this thread had nothing to do with Amanda or Casey or their
work
Heath
http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com,
Chris,
As with any business, we'll work to create the appropriate
relationships to share revenue when that comes about. For now, it's
more about building awareness, driving attention to the work.
Has that caught on yet? The notion that what we're trying to do is
separate what YOU do from the
Here's my edited response to all this from 3vilvlog:
We make money, you make money. Is that in an agreement someplace?
That should be front and center. Everyone wants our content these days,
and everyone wants it for free so they can make money off of it and we
get squat. So skepticism is a
On Dec 15, 2006, at 10:56 AM, Chuck Olsen wrote:
Here's a question I don't know the answer to: How does TV Guide work?
Who pays whom?
this may be related:
http://www.cmcsk.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=118591p=irol-
newsArticleID=493748highlight=
they also:
1. syndicate
TV Guide Online Signs
After further consideration I think part of the problem is that parts
of your messages and confirmation emails to people sound a bit arrogant.
Some peeps are tired of being told how much good these 3rd party
leeches are going to do for them.
It can hardly be new that relationships between
Okay I soon foudn this on businessweek:
http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/techbeat/archives/2006/10/network2tv_vona.html
Oh how I am reassured, not...
Here's where this gets really interesting: Pulver believes that, in
2007, we'll see the rise of a new TV network that will eventually
I'd be curious to hear why you think it's a bad idea?
Vlog networks are inevitable. PodTech is a podcast network of sorts.
There are a lot of people making shows that want to do that for
a living. Many of them spend all of their time making great content,
but have no time or perhaps expertise
I agree. But it should definately be opt-in, not opt-out.
And if there is a business plan to make the thing a cash-generator,
the earlier the realities of passing some of this cash to the creators
comes up, the better.
I was also annoyed because these companies never seem to want to
I got this hilarious bunch of emails from David at Mommy.tv (a really
great show- and if you've seen The Clip Show, Jim Kirks called me
out!). It TOTALLY seems to point out what some of the animosity is:
David has four emails from four separate companies saying almost the
same thing. We're one
Yes thats part of the problem, although Id guess theres already been
more than 4. Many of them did the hosting thing too, but at least that
made them more like a real network, covering the 'distribution costs'
themselves.
If you really were just a guide then I dont think there would be the
same
I do agree, upt o a point. If they were either opt-in, or didnt embed
the video in the pages without seeking permission first, I doubt Id
have ranted about them at all. And Im not ranting to drive them away,
just trying to have the usual discussions about the detail.
Im afraid I do come across as
Damn Chuck, here's where I whap you over the nose with a newspaper...
We need to talk.
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Olsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's my edited response to all this from 3vilvlog:
We make money, you make money. Is that in an agreement someplace?
That
I don't see what you are doing as any different than Fireant, or
MeFeedia, etc. You are providing a way to view video on the web,
vlogs, etc.at least you are providing link backs and other
things, there are plenty of sites around that just take your feed
and you would never know it. Ran
i think i see a difference
aren't fireant and mefeedia opt-in ?
also, i don't think they *feature* sites from people who wish otherwise
On Dec 14, 2006, at 1:32 PM, Heath wrote:
I don't see what you are doing as any different than Fireant, or
MeFeedia, etc. You are providing a way to
This eventually leads us to the question of RSS usage...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSS_%28file_format%29#Usage
RSS is short for Really Simple *Syndication*.
When we publish our RSS files publicly, it is implied that we
authorize the syndicating of our content.
At that point, I think there is
hmmm. what kind of *syndication* does that refer to?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndication
i notice that the *implication* is that most are *paid*
On Dec 14, 2006, at 4:25 PM, leanbackvids wrote:
This eventually leads us to the question of RSS usage...
The Wikipedia page for Web syndication mentions licensing, but
contrasts it with web feeds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_syndication
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
hmmm. what kind of *syndication* does that refer to?
I believe the problem arises from the fact that different people have
different ideas about why they are providing some sort of syndication
feed.
Some arent really interested in syndication at all - they want their
audience to be able to use software to automatically subscribe to and
download
well i will chime in *again*.
i have nothing truly against network2.
they communicate here and seem like smart, decent people in this space.
of course, that is also in best business interests but hey you cant be
too skeptical otherwise you would be... paranoid.
i've claimed this before, but
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