Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
from dreamhost regarding throughputas expected of course but i wanted to hear it from them: 300-400 Megabytes per second is far beyond what any shared host would be able to provide you. Our shared webservers are connected via a 100 Megabit/second connections to four gigabit backbone connections, and in general one site on one of our servers won't even come close to saturating its 100Mb/s connection. On 2/19/06, Clint Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your problem is twofold. One is throughput as you're saying. The second and harder problem is montly transfer limitations. I've spent quite a while researching hosting providers, and nobody offers more than 4 terabytes transfer for $200/mo, and about half that for $100/mo. It doesn't take long serving video times to chew up 2 to 4 terabytes amongst a group of vloggers (one highly linked video could blow that for everyone). There are no dedicated server options that I have been able to find (that doesn't mean they don't exist, but not at the 30 or so providers I've looked at), that offer anything that comes close to the amount of bandwidth I'd want to share amongst a group of vloggers. You'd think that if $10/mo buys you 1 TB on a shared managed server, that $100/mo would get you 10TB on a dedicated server (probably more since you're responsible for managing it yourself), but it just isn't the case. ClintOn 2/19/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whats the data pipe at dreamhost like? if i can get 300-400mb/sec data rate on a dedicated hosting plan, what can i get from a $10 per month dreamhost plan? this is the performance issue... the BIG issue in my opinion. and the primary issue behind the interest in this idea i think. does dreamhot throttle data rate? fat pipes are better ;-) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- - - - - Sullhttp://vlogdir.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
However, you could in theory with those numbers aggregate 1000 vloggers for $1000/mo. However, aggregating those means someone needs to manage those 10 dreamhost accounts and manage all the users, transfers, space etc (or a dedicated server depending on which route you've chosen). This person needs to collect the money to pay that $1000 a month, for a 1000 users, $1/mo, or find some other way of paying for it. In other words, Blip guys, why don't you charge for premium accounts? Everyone happy. Peter --http://mefeedia.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
On 2/19/06, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In other words, Blip guys, why don't you charge for premium accounts? Everyone happy. That's what I said like 58 emails ago!I also think you guys are giving Clint a hard time for some things that he's right about. The idea of grouping a bunch of vloggers on a dedicated server is going to give each vlogger a $/bandwith ratio that is way lower than each individual getting their own shared hosting account. Adam threw out some numbers earlier where a person in this co-op would spend about $15/month for 300 - 400GB of bandwith. 1and1.com will give 250GB for $3. Why wouldn't everyone just get their own account? That's what Clint keeps saying that you guys keep giving him shit about.Now as to free access... We NEED Oumedia and Blip because, I for one, want to hear from those that can't afford thier own hosting plan. And many of those can't afford the computer or camera either. That's why we started NODE101 - to be the other piece of the free puzzle. -Verdi-- Me: http://michaelverdi.comRD: http://evilvlog.comLearn to videoblog: http://freevlog.orgLearn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
Another way to view this (which makes more sense for me) is that someone buys a server account. They need quite a bit of bandwidth, but will only every use 40%-60% of the bandwidth. So they will always have 40% available. They could bring in other people at a much lower cost and offset the cost and bandwidth they're not using. I don't know if ISPs restrict doing that, but it seems it would be worthwhile for both parties. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Clint Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your problem is twofold. One is throughput as you're saying. The second and harder problem is montly transfer limitations. I've spent quite a while researching hosting providers, and nobody offers more than 4 terabytes transfer for $200/mo, and about half that for $100/mo. It doesn't take long serving video times to chew up 2 to 4 terabytes amongst a group of vloggers (one highly linked video could blow that for everyone). There are no dedicated server options that I have been able to find (that doesn't mean they don't exist, but not at the 30 or so providers I've looked at), that offer anything that comes close to the amount of bandwidth I'd want to share amongst a group of vloggers. You'd think that if $10/mo buys you 1 TB on a shared managed server, that $100/mo would get you 10TB on a dedicated server (probably more since you're responsible for managing it yourself), but it just isn't the case. Clint On 2/19/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whats the data pipe at dreamhost like? if i can get 300-400mb/sec data rate on a dedicated hosting plan, what can i get from a $10 per month dreamhost plan? this is the performance issue... the BIG issue in my opinion. and the primary issue behind the interest in this idea i think. does dreamhot throttle data rate? fat pipes are better ;-) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
hey,it's a discussion, bro.it's how realizations are formed. - who said blip etc were bad options? - who said paying for cheap shared server hosting was a bad option?its not a discussion so much about is option 3 better than option 1 and 2 or is option 1 worse than blah blah it's about reviewing and considering the feasibility of these other options. some inquiries had responses that were off-base, in my opinion but also some very good information was offered.this is how you dredge up knowledge, learn and teach. one thing that i repeatedly asked was regarding the data pipe you get with a free or cheap hosting service verses some of these dedicated or co-location options. like i said,, this is the Performance variable that many many people seem most concerned with... not monthly allotments or monthly cost... it's 'will my video play immediately all the time'. how many people bail out of watching a vid that doesnt load quick enough? If a small group of vloggers shared a FAT pipe, you'de have a premium quality service for close to same cost. regarding monthly bandwidth allotment limits and storage space limits. a vlogger could be creative could do like blip does and cross-upload to IA for archival or cross-upload to any other server you may have access to you keep your most current videos on the fat pipe which is most ideal for VOD. when these vids drop off your vodcast feed and into your archives, you can delete them and point to the mirror server(s) instead. thats one approach to get around the aforementioned concerns while still serving your vids optimallyright?On 2/19/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/19/06, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In other words, Blip guys, why don't you charge for premium accounts? Everyone happy. That's what I said like 58 emails ago!I also think you guys are giving Clint a hard time for some things that he's right about. The idea of grouping a bunch of vloggers on a dedicated server is going to give each vlogger a $/bandwith ratio that is way lower than each individual getting their own shared hosting account. Adam threw out some numbers earlier where a person in this co-op would spend about $15/month for 300 - 400GB of bandwith. 1and1.com will give 250GB for $3. Why wouldn't everyone just get their own account? That's what Clint keeps saying that you guys keep giving him shit about. Now as to free access... We NEED Oumedia and Blip because, I for one, want to hear from those that can't afford thier own hosting plan. And many of those can't afford the computer or camera either. That's why we started NODE101 - to be the other piece of the free puzzle. -Verdi-- Me: http://michaelverdi.comRD: http://evilvlog.comLearn to videoblog: http://freevlog.orgLearn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- - - - - Sullhttp://vlogdir.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
I only know Blip because of this group and only for a couple of weeks and, still, I want to see them succeed. Why? They're friendly and concientious. They're offering a good service. They're ahead of the curve. They're not Time Warner. Go Blip. Go see my videos on Blip at: http://www.blip.tv/posts/?search=captain+humphreys We've got 24 videos (shameless plug) and they're all available on Blip! But I still have bandwidth issues on my own site and I am merely inquiring if pooling the bandwidth spend of multiple users won't get us a better deal all around? If the ~2,000 on this group formed a cooperative, that cooperative could go to Blip and say, Hey, add our $10,000 a month to your bandwidth buy and let's get more bandwidth for all of us. If that would help Blip, great. If it'll help me, great. If I never need the extra bandwidth because I don't attract taht much attention, my spend is the same. I'm just creating a pool of bandwidth for use by the cooperative members. -David --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stan Hirson, Sarah Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Verdi on this. I feel very loyal to Blip. Their user-friendlysoftware was extremely helpful when I was trying to figure things out. They got me up and running so I could focus on issues other than themedia server. It really allowed me to experiment and see how I likedvlogging. I've since moved on to a paid server for serveral reasons. I think they should have at least a tier of paid accounts that wouldpay for a larger data pipe. I don't know what their business model is,but I also wonder if they could get some kind of foundation support. In other words, I owe them. Stan Hirson --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi michael@ wrote: Isn't this kind of the idea of Blip coming out with paid accounts (which I think they should do)? In a way, to do something like this requires that at least one person set it up and manage it. That's not a lot of work if it's just one server for a few people but would get to be a job if it got bigger. It would just be cool if someone like Blip did it and we could just get behind them. It would be nice if you could host a domain and wordpress or MT blog there too. -Verdi Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:34:55 +0100, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But close only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades. And curling. :o) Next version of Opera will have bittorrent built in, but that only helps the five people other than me who use Opera. - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. The Participatory Culture Foundation may be of interest, http://participatoryculture.org/ : === The D internet TV system is a free and open way to watch, share, and broadcast video on the internet. On February 21, we'll release the Windows version of the D___ player, the last piece in the puzzle. So we've got to tell you why it matters. Our internet TV platform has four components: Watch Videos Dplayer Desktop application for watching internet TV. Intuitive interface. Free and open source. The centerpiece of our platform. Share Videos Video Bomb Your own feed of favorite videos and feeds of what everyone likes. Share feeds, share individual videos. From within the D___ player, just click 'bomb' on a video and it gets added to your feed. If your friends subscribe to your feed, the videos you pick will be delivered to their desktops. Create Channels Broadcast Machine Create channels of your own videos. Broadcast to thousands of people with virtually no bandwidth costs using BitTorrent. Video Bomb Bring together videos you like into a channel. As with blogs, some of the best internet TV will be made by people who can filter out the gems. With free hosting from Archive.org / Ourmedia or a commercial service, you can make an internet TV channel of your own videos with no website required. Share Channels Channel Guide Publishers can present their channels to a wide audience for free. People can search, browse, and explore channels in a simple, intuitive way. A level playing field for discovering content. === -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com Determine Media Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
Last time I looked, the Participatory Culture software required you to install something on your host server which my then host was not keen on. Anyone know whether DreamHost would go for it?-- best regards, Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
Can stats be tracked by which resources are accessed? -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one issue that arises: how do you track your stats? Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Hello, On 2/17/06, *davecircumnavigator* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since videobloggers have high bandwidth requirements and ISPs give discounts for planned large bandwidth consumption, would anyone be interested in a server cooperative where we negotiate as a group for server space and bandwidth? Has this been tried on this group? If every member of this group is paying a monthly basic web hosting fee of $5, that's almost $10,000 a month and that buys A LOT of bandwidth. Just out of curiousity, why not use BitTorrent, Gnutella, dijjer, or some other P2P technolofgy to distrbute your vlog? See ya -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca http://reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com http://gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=OHeQJKby66gg3t35np-qiw Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=hK8TfZa7ClhTIxDJdP6Cbw Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=fljF53rXtnOMjmpIySYbqA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
some stats, but not all. it depends on the network. he asked about arbitrary p2p system like gnutella, etc in general, one would have no idea who had downloaded what Enric wrote: Can stats be tracked by which resources are accessed? -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one issue that arises: how do you track your stats? Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Hello, On 2/17/06, *davecircumnavigator* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since videobloggers have high bandwidth requirements and ISPs give discounts for planned large bandwidth consumption, would anyone be interested in a server cooperative where we negotiate as a group for server space and bandwidth? Has this been tried on this group? If every member of this group is paying a monthly basic web hosting fee of $5, that's almost $10,000 a month and that buys A LOT of bandwidth. Just out of curiousity, why not use BitTorrent, Gnutella, dijjer, or some other P2P technolofgy to distrbute your vlog? See ya -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca http://reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com http://gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=OHeQJKby66gg3t35np-qiw Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=hK8TfZa7ClhTIxDJdP6Cbw Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=fljF53rXtnOMjmpIySYbqA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging" on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
How are arbitrary p2p system like gnutella, etc. tracked now on a server? If each person had a unique domain or subdomain would it be easier to track stastics for their content? -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some stats, but not all. it depends on the network. he asked about arbitrary p2p system like gnutella, etc in general, one would have no idea who had downloaded what Enric wrote: Can stats be tracked by which resources are accessed? -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy markus@ wrote: one issue that arises: how do you track your stats? Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Hello, On 2/17/06, *davecircumnavigator* david@ mailto:david@ wrote: Since videobloggers have high bandwidth requirements and ISPs give discounts for planned large bandwidth consumption, would anyone be interested in a server cooperative where we negotiate as a group for server space and bandwidth? Has this been tried on this group? If every member of this group is paying a monthly basic web hosting fee of $5, that's almost $10,000 a month and that buys A LOT of bandwidth. Just out of curiousity, why not use BitTorrent, Gnutella, dijjer, or some other P2P technolofgy to distrbute your vlog? See ya -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca http://reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com http://gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=OHeQJKby66gg3t35np-qiw Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=hK8TfZa7ClhTIxDJdP6Cbw Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=fljF53rXtnOMjmpIySYbqA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: markus.sandy@ msn: msandy@ skype: msandy spin: markus@ Yahoo! Groups Links -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
generally speaking, there are no 'servers' on arbitrary p2p systems or another way to look at it: they are all servers! :) some hybrids do use directory servers like a DNS to establish inital connections, but then all communications are between peers and so there are no stats in general unless the peers share usage data somewhere. some systems might let you do a peered query, but then not all peers are online all the time and so these can be a bit strange (kinda like feedburner stats i guess :)) here's a perl script to get some stats from gnutella caches - i'm not sure it's that useful for most vloggers however http://www.jonatkins.com/gwebcache-stats/ Enric wrote: How are arbitrary p2p system like gnutella, etc. tracked now on a server? If each person had a unique domain or subdomain would it be easier to track stastics for their content? -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some stats, but not all. it depends on the network. he asked about arbitrary p2p system like gnutella, etc in general, one would have no idea who had downloaded what Enric wrote: Can stats be tracked by which resources are accessed? -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy markus@ wrote: one issue that arises: how do you track your stats? Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Hello, On 2/17/06, *davecircumnavigator* david@ mailto:david@ wrote: Since videobloggers have high bandwidth requirements and ISPs give discounts for planned large bandwidth consumption, would anyone be interested in a server cooperative where we negotiate as a group for server space and bandwidth? Has this been tried on this group? If every member of this group is paying a monthly basic web hosting fee of $5, that's almost $10,000 a month and that buys A LOT of bandwidth. Just out of curiousity, why not use BitTorrent, Gnutella, dijjer, or some other P2P technolofgy to distrbute your vlog? See ya -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca http://reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com http://gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=OHeQJKby66gg3t35np-qiw Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=hK8TfZa7ClhTIxDJdP6Cbw Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=fljF53rXtnOMjmpIySYbqA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging" on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: markus.sandy@ msn: msandy@ skype: msandy spin: markus@ Yahoo! Groups Links -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit
[videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
It doesn't sound like renting a server as a group would be any different in stats from a managed web host account? In both cases it looks like a server is being shared by multiple users and the stats seem to be connected to domains and resources. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: generally speaking, there are no 'servers' on arbitrary p2p systems or another way to look at it: they are all servers! :) some hybrids do use directory servers like a DNS to establish inital connections, but then all communications are between peers and so there are no stats in general unless the peers share usage data somewhere. some systems might let you do a peered query, but then not all peers are online all the time and so these can be a bit strange (kinda like feedburner stats i guess :)) here's a perl script to get some stats from gnutella caches - i'm not sure it's that useful for most vloggers however http://www.jonatkins.com/gwebcache-stats/ Enric wrote: How are arbitrary p2p system like gnutella, etc. tracked now on a server? If each person had a unique domain or subdomain would it be easier to track stastics for their content? -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy markus@ wrote: some stats, but not all. it depends on the network. he asked about arbitrary p2p system like gnutella, etc in general, one would have no idea who had downloaded what Enric wrote: Can stats be tracked by which resources are accessed? -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy markus@ wrote: one issue that arises: how do you track your stats? Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Hello, On 2/17/06, *davecircumnavigator* david@ mailto:david@ wrote: Since videobloggers have high bandwidth requirements and ISPs give discounts for planned large bandwidth consumption, would anyone be interested in a server cooperative where we negotiate as a group for server space and bandwidth? Has this been tried on this group? If every member of this group is paying a monthly basic web hosting fee of $5, that's almost $10,000 a month and that buys A LOT of bandwidth. Just out of curiousity, why not use BitTorrent, Gnutella, dijjer, or some other P2P technolofgy to distrbute your vlog? See ya -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca http://reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com http://gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=OHeQJKby66gg3t35np-qiw Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=hK8TfZa7ClhTIxDJdP6Cbw Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=fljF53rXtnOMjmpIySYbqA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: markus.sandy@ msn: msandy@ skype: msandy spin: markus@ Yahoo! Groups Links -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: markus.sandy@ msn: msandy@ skype: msandy spin: markus@ Yahoo! Groups Links -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
On 2/18/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It doesn't sound like renting a server as a group would be any different in stats from a managed web host account? In both cases it looks like a server is being shared by multiple users and the stats seem to be connected to domains and resources.right SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re Server Cooperative --- wanna start one?
Might not hurt to get the podcasters involved with this one as well, unless a few cooperatives are in order, but there is power in numbers indeed. But as a future podcaster and possibly videoblogger, it's definitely a great idea. Mike -- Listen to the Fevered Brain: http://www.thefeveredbrainofradiomike.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
hi all. lurker here... i have been reading this thread with interest. could not a group of like minded vloggers get a host with lots of bandwidth that they each pay into and name a domain. then, the main domain could be used to list the contributing videoblogs and maybe a blurb about them (how about a most recent upload from each of them too?) then, each of them would have a subdomain off of the main one that they could use as their own videoblog. eg: coolvids.com (intro to the project and it's participants) ed.coolvids.com vic.coolvids.com sandy.coolvids.cometc. each subdomain should be able to track their own stats, etc, shouldn't they? i'm not a technical person by any means. i don't know how many subdomains are allowed, etc. is there a limit or does it depend on the package? ...unless you're talking about something that encompasses many participants. then i would think that a paid service would be better. i would be very interested in seeing small groups of compatible videoblogs working together, however. i think it would be much more successful that way. anne --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, davecircumnavigator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll noodle it and post again. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: Since videobloggers have high bandwidth requirements and ISPs give discounts for planned large bandwidth consumption, would anyone be interested in a server cooperative where we negotiate as a group for server space and bandwidth? Has this been tried on this group? If every member of this group is paying a monthly basic web hosting fee of $5, that's almost $10,000 a month and that buys A LOT of bandwidth. good idea Dave. this was briught up a long time ago...but never acted on. can you come up with some scenarios and workflow? if we had a target to shoot for...itll be easier to get people to jump on board. How much storage for each person? how much bandwdith? how would stats work? Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://FireAnt.tv http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
I am not interested in becoming part of some consortium of vloggers. All I am interested in is a simple solution of a dedicated server where the bandwidth is reserved strictly for the use of hosting videos off of. No home page. No listings. Just a file server is all I want. Blip and Ourmedia already do what it is you are talking about. I know I said that I would be interested in getting into this however rather than get involved with a gazillion ideas of how people want to try and become the next Blip or Ourmedia or Internet Archive, I think I'll bail out of this idea right now and host my own videos myself. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Anne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all. lurker here... i have been reading this thread with interest. could not a group of like minded vloggers get a host with lots of bandwidth that they each pay into and name a domain. then, the main domain could be used to list the contributing videoblogs and maybe a blurb about them (how about a most recent upload from each of them too?) then, each of them would have a subdomain off of the main one that they could use as their own videoblog. eg: coolvids.com (intro to the project and it's participants) ed.coolvids.com vic.coolvids.com sandy.coolvids.cometc. each subdomain should be able to track their own stats, etc, shouldn't they? i'm not a technical person by any means. i don't know how many subdomains are allowed, etc. is there a limit or does it depend on the package? ...unless you're talking about something that encompasses many participants. then i would think that a paid service would be better. i would be very interested in seeing small groups of compatible videoblogs working together, however. i think it would be much more successful that way. anne --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, davecircumnavigator david@ wrote: I'll noodle it and post again. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: Since videobloggers have high bandwidth requirements and ISPs give discounts for planned large bandwidth consumption, would anyone be interested in a server cooperative where we negotiate as a group for server space and bandwidth? Has this been tried on this group? If every member of this group is paying a monthly basic web hosting fee of $5, that's almost $10,000 a month and that buys A LOT of bandwidth. good idea Dave. this was briught up a long time ago...but never acted on. can you come up with some scenarios and workflow? if we had a target to shoot for...itll be easier to get people to jump on board. How much storage for each person? how much bandwdith? how would stats work? Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://FireAnt.tv http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
To second your concerns, I would add that Dreamhost or any of a thousand other hosting companies already do a good job of sharing servers professionally. I don't see any savings for anyone in trying to do this themselves as opposed to using a cheaper hosting provider. Secondly, Dreamhost offers 1 TB of transfer on a $10/mo hosting account, when most dedicated servers only offer 1.8 to 2 TB for a hosted server for somewhere between $100-$200 a month. The math doesn't add up if all you want to do is host files. To get a better deal, you're really going to have to lease rack space in a datacenter, buy some hardware and install it your self. ClintOn 2/18/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not interested in becoming part of some consortium of vloggers. All I am interested in is a simple solution of a dedicated server where the bandwidth is reserved strictly for the use of hosting videos off of. No home page. No listings. Just a file server is all I want. Blip and Ourmedia already do what it is you are talking about. I know I said that I would be interested in getting into this however rather than get involved with a gazillion ideas of how people want to try and become the next Blip or Ourmedia or Internet Archive, I think I'll bail out of this idea right now and host my own videos myself. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Anne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all. lurker here... i have been reading this thread with interest. could not a group of like minded vloggers get a host with lots of bandwidth that they each pay into and name a domain. then, the main domain could be used to list the contributing videoblogs and maybe a blurb about them (how about a most recent upload from each of them too?) then, each of them would have a subdomain off of the main one that they could use as their own videoblog. eg: coolvids.com (intro to the project and it's participants) ed.coolvids.com vic.coolvids.com sandy.coolvids.cometc. each subdomain should be able to track their own stats, etc, shouldn't they? i'm not a technical person by any means. i don't know how many subdomains are allowed, etc. is there a limit or does it depend on the package? ...unless you're talking about something that encompasses many participants. then i would think that a paid service would be better. i would be very interested in seeing small groups of compatible videoblogs working together, however. i think it would be much more successful that way. anne --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, davecircumnavigator david@ wrote: I'll noodle it and post again. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: Since videobloggers have high bandwidth requirements and ISPs give discounts for planned large bandwidth consumption, would anyone be interested in a server cooperative where we negotiate as a group for server space and bandwidth? Has this been tried on this group? If every member of this group is paying a monthly basic web hosting fee of $5, that's almost $10,000 a month and that buys A LOT of bandwidth. good idea Dave. this was briught up a long time ago...but never acted on. can you come up with some scenarios and workflow? if we had a target to shoot for...itll be easier to get people to jump on board. How much storage for each person? how much bandwdith? how would stats work? Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://FireAnt.tv http://node101.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
ah. i see. you are just looking to save money on server costs and not a cooperative, creative venture. my mistake. quite right. blip and ourmedia host video and dreamhost offers good hosting deals (i use them myself and think they're great!). guess i saw the words cooperative and group and did a little free association. it got me thinking about ways that groups of videoblogs could work cooperatively on a single project while maintaining their own respective vlogs and not getting lost in the shuffle of thousands of available feeds. i was thinking about projects such as the pan which i think is an excellent concept. when you ask a question on a message board, david, you will get many different ideas coming back. some, will be helpful to you. some might not be but may spark ideas in others. we call this conversation... ...so, gear down, big rig! --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Clint Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To second your concerns, I would add that Dreamhost or any of a thousand other hosting companies already do a good job of sharing servers professionally. I don't see any savings for anyone in trying to do this themselves as opposed to using a cheaper hosting provider. Secondly, Dreamhost offers 1 TB of transfer on a $10/mo hosting account, when most dedicated servers only offer 1.8 to 2 TB for a hosted server for somewhere between $100-$200 a month. The math doesn't add up if all you want to do is host files. To get a better deal, you're really going to have to lease rack space in a datacenter, buy some hardware and install it your self. Clint On 2/18/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not interested in becoming part of some consortium of vloggers. All I am interested in is a simple solution of a dedicated server where the bandwidth is reserved strictly for the use of hosting videos off of. No home page. No listings. Just a file server is all I want. Blip and Ourmedia already do what it is you are talking about. I know I said that I would be interested in getting into this however rather than get involved with a gazillion ideas of how people want to try and become the next Blip or Ourmedia or Internet Archive, I think I'll bail out of this idea right now and host my own videos myself. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Anne annewalk@ wrote: hi all. lurker here... i have been reading this thread with interest. could not a group of like minded vloggers get a host with lots of bandwidth that they each pay into and name a domain. then, the main domain could be used to list the contributing videoblogs and maybe a blurb about them (how about a most recent upload from each of them too?) then, each of them would have a subdomain off of the main one that they could use as their own videoblog. eg: coolvids.com (intro to the project and it's participants) ed.coolvids.com vic.coolvids.com sandy.coolvids.cometc. each subdomain should be able to track their own stats, etc, shouldn't they? i'm not a technical person by any means. i don't know how many subdomains are allowed, etc. is there a limit or does it depend on the package? ...unless you're talking about something that encompasses many participants. then i would think that a paid service would be better. i would be very interested in seeing small groups of compatible videoblogs working together, however. i think it would be much more successful that way. anne --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, davecircumnavigator david@ wrote: I'll noodle it and post again. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: Since videobloggers have high bandwidth requirements and ISPs give discounts for planned large bandwidth consumption, would anyone be interested in a server cooperative where we negotiate as a group for server space and bandwidth? Has this been tried on this group? If every member of this group is paying a monthly basic web hosting fee of $5, that's almost $10,000 a month and that buys A LOT of bandwidth. good idea Dave. this was briught up a long time ago...but never acted on. can you come up with some scenarios and workflow? if we had a target to shoot for...itll be easier to get people to jump on board. How much storage for each person? how much bandwdith? how would stats work? Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://FireAnt.tv http://node101.org SPONSORED LINKS Individualhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=OHeQJKby66gg3t35np-qiw
[videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
hi mike, good idea! that's just the kind of community endeavor i was thinking of - something concentrated and experimental. nice. anne --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for what its worth, i have this list of things i want to do and offer... around the vlogdir project. now granted, being just a single person with no 'team' i only get to an item every once in a while sometimes i spontaneously do something that was never on my list ;-) like changing the UI this month. one of my agendas, as per the email i forwarded from July (see what i mean!) back to the list regarding a vlog host fund, was to do basically what you are suggesting. ironically enough, this month i am finally moving to a dedicated server to host vlogdir.com and a few other related projects that I am working on. i have not refrshed my ideas on this much, but i think i will go ahead and offer it to a limited group of vloggers at first and see how it goes. maybe we can all benefit. vlogdir will be hosted on same service as rocketboom... which is datagram.com. see this: http://www.rocketboom.com/vlog/archives/2005/10/rb_05_oct_05.html if i host media/blogs/sites for vloggers, i wouldnt expect the collective to pay the entire expense of course only a fraction and much would depend on additional costs of bandwidth incurred (but that would be at my cost, not anyone elses). you would have a subdomain on vlogdir.com and optionally your own domain (new or transferred). i'd also offer several media and publishing management tools that you could optionally take advantage of. not looking to be a blip.tv or any other similar service so it would be phases... maybe, depending on interest, 10-15 videoblogs at a time, see how it goes... then open up the offer again etcetera. this isnt about vlogdir competing or being compared to other hosting services... this is a concentrated vlog community experiment and i usppose it would become a sub-network of vloggers. i didnt plan to talk about this until i had a more formal offering but whatever. if interested, further discussions can be had over on the vlogdir-users group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vlogdir-users/ cheers. sull On 2/18/06, Anne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all. lurker here... i have been reading this thread with interest. could not a group of like minded vloggers get a host with lots of bandwidth that they each pay into and name a domain. then, the main domain could be used to list the contributing videoblogs and maybe a blurb about them (how about a most recent upload from each of them too?) then, each of them would have a subdomain off of the main one that they could use as their own videoblog. eg: coolvids.com (intro to the project and it's participants) ed.coolvids.com vic.coolvids.com sandy.coolvids.cometc. each subdomain should be able to track their own stats, etc, shouldn't they? i'm not a technical person by any means. i don't know how many subdomains are allowed, etc. is there a limit or does it depend on the package? ...unless you're talking about something that encompasses many participants. then i would think that a paid service would be better. i would be very interested in seeing small groups of compatible videoblogs working together, however. i think it would be much more successful that way. anne --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, davecircumnavigator david@ wrote: I'll noodle it and post again. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: Since videobloggers have high bandwidth requirements and ISPs give discounts for planned large bandwidth consumption, would anyone be interested in a server cooperative where we negotiate as a group for server space and bandwidth? Has this been tried on this group? If every member of this group is paying a monthly basic web hosting fee of $5, that's almost $10,000 a month and that buys A LOT of bandwidth. good idea Dave. this was briught up a long time ago...but never acted on. can you come up with some scenarios and workflow? if we had a target to shoot for...itll be easier to get people to jump on board. How much storage for each person? how much bandwdith? how would stats work? Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://FireAnt.tv http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Links -- - - - - Sull http://vlogdir.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
First off...*I* never asked a question. Learn reading skills. Second. My conversations take place in person where I can see a persons eyes. I trust about 1% of what I read online. Last. I really dont care about being part of some vlog collective. The original concept was for some people to group funds together for a server that would host videos. Care to dance a little more? David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Anne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when you ask a question on a message board, david, you will get many different ideas coming back. some, will be helpful to you. some might not be but may spark ideas in others. we call this conversation... ...so, gear down, big rig! --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Clint Sharp clint@ wrote: To second your concerns, I would add that Dreamhost or any of a thousand other hosting companies already do a good job of sharing servers professionally. I don't see any savings for anyone in trying to do this themselves as opposed to using a cheaper hosting provider. Secondly, Dreamhost offers 1 TB of transfer on a $10/mo hosting account, when most dedicated servers only offer 1.8 to 2 TB for a hosted server for somewhere between $100-$200 a month. The math doesn't add up if all you want to do is host files. To get a better deal, you're really going to have to lease rack space in a datacenter, buy some hardware and install it your self. Clint On 2/18/06, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: I am not interested in becoming part of some consortium of vloggers. All I am interested in is a simple solution of a dedicated server where the bandwidth is reserved strictly for the use of hosting videos off of. No home page. No listings. Just a file server is all I want. Blip and Ourmedia already do what it is you are talking about. I know I said that I would be interested in getting into this however rather than get involved with a gazillion ideas of how people want to try and become the next Blip or Ourmedia or Internet Archive, I think I'll bail out of this idea right now and host my own videos myself. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Anne annewalk@ wrote: hi all. lurker here... i have been reading this thread with interest. could not a group of like minded vloggers get a host with lots of bandwidth that they each pay into and name a domain. then, the main domain could be used to list the contributing videoblogs and maybe a blurb about them (how about a most recent upload from each of them too?) then, each of them would have a subdomain off of the main one that they could use as their own videoblog. eg: coolvids.com (intro to the project and it's participants) ed.coolvids.com vic.coolvids.com sandy.coolvids.cometc. each subdomain should be able to track their own stats, etc, shouldn't they? i'm not a technical person by any means. i don't know how many subdomains are allowed, etc. is there a limit or does it depend on the package? ...unless you're talking about something that encompasses many participants. then i would think that a paid service would be better. i would be very interested in seeing small groups of compatible videoblogs working together, however. i think it would be much more successful that way. anne --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, davecircumnavigator david@ wrote: I'll noodle it and post again. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: Since videobloggers have high bandwidth requirements and ISPs give discounts for planned large bandwidth consumption, would anyone be interested in a server cooperative where we negotiate as a group for server space and bandwidth? Has this been tried on this group? If every member of this group is paying a monthly basic web hosting fee of $5, that's almost $10,000 a month and that buys A LOT of bandwidth. good idea Dave. this was briught up a long time ago...but never acted on. can you come up with some scenarios and workflow? if we had a target to shoot for...itll be easier to get people to jump on board. How much storage for each person? how much bandwdith? how would stats work? Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://FireAnt.tv http://node101.org SPONSORED LINKS Individualhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=OHeQJKby66gg3t35np-qiw Fireanthttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=hK8TfZa7ClhTIxDJdP6Cbw
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
I'd be happy to dance. There are currently thousands of hosting options from thousands of providers who make it their business to maximize the amount of people you can fit onto one server. Those people are not the people on this list. I suggest you check them out. Vlog hosting needs two things, servers and bandwidth. A collective or a shared hosting resource of vloggers is never going to be able to compete with people who's business it is to make a profit doing this. You are not going to be able to rent a server from anyone, delve it up between a bunch of high-bandwidth users and make it economically feasible. The best option is to be in the hosting business, in which you divide up hosting resources between high bandwidth users and low-bandwidth users. Combining a group of unprofitable users is unprofitable, no matter how you do the math. Much better to let the companies whose business it is combine users who, while they may be allocated hundreds of gigabytes a month of transfer, don't use it, with users who do. There are two options in the vlog hosting world, and I don't see a need for a third. There are people who want to host their vlogs for free, and thus they make a tradeoff in terms of service, and there are those who are willing to pay. I'm all for free services, and I happily recommend them to people who don't really care whether their users can access their videos. There are also paid options, which cost a mimimal amount a month (honestly, if you can't afford $120/yr, you can't afford the camera and the computer to vlog either, probably). I recommend the paid options to most people. Who wants to invest the time and effort to create a middle option when the second option is already so cheap? Clint On 2/18/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off...*I* never asked a question. Learn reading skills. Second. My conversations take place in person where I can see a persons eyes. I trust about 1% of what I read online. Last. I really dont care about being part of some vlog collective. The original concept was for some people to group funds together for a server that would host videos. Care to dance a little more? David http://www.taoofdavid.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
you dont talk about data pipes. can you comment on that?and... Combining a group of unprofitable users is unprofitable, no matter how you do the math.i dont understand how this comment relates to the discussion. granted, i'ts the weekend so i'll take some blame ;-) but... what?On 2/19/06, Clint Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be happy to dance. There are currently thousands of hosting options from thousands of providers who make it their business to maximize the amount of people you can fit onto one server. Those people are not the people on this list. I suggest you check them out. Vlog hosting needs two things, servers and bandwidth. A collective or a shared hosting resource of vloggers is never going to be able to compete with people who's business it is to make a profit doing this. You are not going to be able to rent a server from anyone, delve it up between a bunch of high-bandwidth users and make it economically feasible. The best option is to be in the hosting business, in which you divide up hosting resources between high bandwidth users and low-bandwidth users. Combining a group of unprofitable users is unprofitable, no matter how you do the math. Much better to let the companies whose business it is combine users who, while they may be allocated hundreds of gigabytes a month of transfer, don't use it, with users who do. There are two options in the vlog hosting world, and I don't see a need for a third. There are people who want to host their vlogs for free, and thus they make a tradeoff in terms of service, and there are those who are willing to pay. I'm all for free services, and I happily recommend them to people who don't really care whether their users can access their videos. There are also paid options, which cost a mimimal amount a month (honestly, if you can't afford $120/yr, you can't afford the camera and the computer to vlog either, probably). I recommend the paid options to most people. Who wants to invest the time and effort to create a middle option when the second option is already so cheap? Clint On 2/18/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off...*I* never asked a question. Learn reading skills. Second. My conversations take place in person where I can see a persons eyes. I trust about 1% of what I read online. Last. I really dont care about being part of some vlog collective. The original concept was for some people to group funds together for a server that would host videos. Care to dance a little more? David http://www.taoofdavid.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- - - - - Sullhttp://vlogdir.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
I agree and I am one of those that is willing to spend the money for a dedicated host shared with other vloggers that will host our content. The point of it making money or being self-sustaining is not my goal. I never said I wanted a free server. Blip already gives me that. The simple fact is that I am not willing to spend my money on a venture that Blip and Ourmedia already provide for free. I dont have the time nor desire to put into something like that. Back to the original question, if there is a group of people here that would be interested in pooling their money together to get a server to host videos, count me in. If not...no skin off my nose. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Clint Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be happy to dance. There are currently thousands of hosting options from thousands of providers who make it their business to maximize the amount of people you can fit onto one server. Those people are not the people on this list. I suggest you check them out. Vlog hosting needs two things, servers and bandwidth. A collective or a shared hosting resource of vloggers is never going to be able to compete with people who's business it is to make a profit doing this. You are not going to be able to rent a server from anyone, delve it up between a bunch of high-bandwidth users and make it economically feasible. The best option is to be in the hosting business, in which you divide up hosting resources between high bandwidth users and low-bandwidth users. Combining a group of unprofitable users is unprofitable, no matter how you do the math. Much better to let the companies whose business it is combine users who, while they may be allocated hundreds of gigabytes a month of transfer, don't use it, with users who do. There are two options in the vlog hosting world, and I don't see a need for a third. There are people who want to host their vlogs for free, and thus they make a tradeoff in terms of service, and there are those who are willing to pay. I'm all for free services, and I happily recommend them to people who don't really care whether their users can access their videos. There are also paid options, which cost a mimimal amount a month (honestly, if you can't afford $120/yr, you can't afford the camera and the computer to vlog either, probably). I recommend the paid options to most people. Who wants to invest the time and effort to create a middle option when the second option is already so cheap? Clint On 2/18/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off...*I* never asked a question. Learn reading skills. Second. My conversations take place in person where I can see a persons eyes. I trust about 1% of what I read online. Last. I really dont care about being part of some vlog collective. The original concept was for some people to group funds together for a server that would host videos. Care to dance a little more? David http://www.taoofdavid.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
ah, clint quite obviously there is a third option: people who want it free, but without the trade off of poor availability/performance/etc the reason why this is needed so much is not necessarily because people are cheap, but because they want to see it work reliably the first time when they are starting out (for one thing) i think that this is really important for vlogging to take off: reliable, free access for beginners. plus i'm sure there are plenty of folks who can't or don't want to afford yet *another* $120 (kids come to mind for one) another point: the paid options often come with a fair amount of admin hassles for some people. they are not all turnkey and certainly not all equal or easy to use for the average person. finally, it's not always the case that a paid service performs better than a free one (especially when the paid one gets popular). every hosting provider I ever had was great until they weren't ;) maybe it's just a question of *who* is paying for the service (i.e., not users) how do we increase archive reliability and performance? is it just a money issue? how do we make Bush pay for it? :p Clint Sharp wrote: I'd be happy to dance. There are currently thousands of hosting options from thousands of providers who make it their business to maximize the amount of people you can fit onto one server. Those people are not the people on this list. I suggest you check them out. Vlog hosting needs two things, servers and bandwidth. A "collective" or a shared hosting resource of vloggers is never going to be able to compete with people who's business it is to make a profit doing this. You are not going to be able to rent a server from anyone, delve it up between a bunch of high-bandwidth users and make it economically feasible. The best option is to be in the hosting business, in which you divide up hosting resources between high bandwidth users and low-bandwidth users. Combining a group of unprofitable users is unprofitable, no matter how you do the math. Much better to let the companies whose business it is combine users who, while they may be allocated hundreds of gigabytes a month of transfer, don't use it, with users who do. There are two options in the vlog hosting world, and I don't see a need for a third. There are people who want to host their vlogs for free, and thus they make a tradeoff in terms of service, and there are those who are willing to pay. I'm all for free services, and I happily recommend them to people who don't really care whether their users can access their videos. There are also paid options, which cost a mimimal amount a month (honestly, if you can't afford $120/yr, you can't afford the camera and the computer to vlog either, probably). I recommend the paid options to most people. Who wants to invest the time and effort to create a middle option when the second option is already so cheap? Clint On 2/18/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off...*I* never asked a question. Learn reading skills. Second. My conversations take place in person where I can see a persons eyes. I trust about 1% of what I read online. Last. I really dont care about being part of some vlog collective. The original concept was for some people to group funds together for a server that would host videos. Care to dance a little more? David http://www.taoofdavid.com -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
You are not going to be able to rent a server from anyone, delve it up between a bunch of high-bandwidth users and make it economically feasible.mathmatically, this depends, right?. first, you are assuming every vlogger would be popular to the point of usining up much of the 1-3TB. in actuality, most vloggers of a small consortium would prob not use up this allotment. i'm talking under 30 vloggers. i dont have #s to back this up... but on average, i think 1-3 TB would be ok. am i wrong? when hosting companies advertise these large numbers they do so because they know that most to all will never need or reach even 10% that amount per month. its called marketing. ok, we are talking video serving so this is obviously a group of higher bandwidth users than typical people wanting to host pages and pictures but still. i am not convinved by what you say. i understand some of what you are *trying* to say, but you seem to be very close-minded when maybe their is some logic here. and what about throttling the pipe? and what about a managed dedicated server at a hosting facility basically providing same type of service and quuality and backbone as a shared hosti know... getting paid shared hosting is a fine option. what i am not totally seeing is how a small group of people getting dedicated server is as bad as you say. willing to be enlightened though... as others here are too. so, can you cut through it and dispell how it breaks down.. sort of like adam did? and leave out the clint wit.sullOn 2/19/06, Clint Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be happy to dance. There are currently thousands of hosting options from thousands of providers who make it their business to maximize the amount of people you can fit onto one server. Those people are not the people on this list. I suggest you check them out. Vlog hosting needs two things, servers and bandwidth. A collective or a shared hosting resource of vloggers is never going to be able to compete with people who's business it is to make a profit doing this. You are not going to be able to rent a server from anyone, delve it up between a bunch of high-bandwidth users and make it economically feasible. The best option is to be in the hosting business, in which you divide up hosting resources between high bandwidth users and low-bandwidth users. Combining a group of unprofitable users is unprofitable, no matter how you do the math. Much better to let the companies whose business it is combine users who, while they may be allocated hundreds of gigabytes a month of transfer, don't use it, with users who do. There are two options in the vlog hosting world, and I don't see a need for a third. There are people who want to host their vlogs for free, and thus they make a tradeoff in terms of service, and there are those who are willing to pay. I'm all for free services, and I happily recommend them to people who don't really care whether their users can access their videos. There are also paid options, which cost a mimimal amount a month (honestly, if you can't afford $120/yr, you can't afford the camera and the computer to vlog either, probably). I recommend the paid options to most people. Who wants to invest the time and effort to create a middle option when the second option is already so cheap? Clint On 2/18/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off...*I* never asked a question. Learn reading skills. Second. My conversations take place in person where I can see a persons eyes. I trust about 1% of what I read online. Last. I really dont care about being part of some vlog collective. The original concept was for some people to group funds together for a server that would host videos. Care to dance a little more? David http://www.taoofdavid.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- - - - - Sullhttp://vlogdir.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
(honestly, if you can't afford $120/yr, you can't afford the camera and the computer to vlog either, probably).maybe the costs of hardware, software etc are WHY people cant or dont want to spend the hosting dollars. especially if just a little hobby. you win for this weeks Most Amercian Comment Award ;-) On 2/19/06, Clint Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be happy to dance. There are currently thousands of hosting options from thousands of providers who make it their business to maximize the amount of people you can fit onto one server. Those people are not the people on this list. I suggest you check them out. Vlog hosting needs two things, servers and bandwidth. A collective or a shared hosting resource of vloggers is never going to be able to compete with people who's business it is to make a profit doing this. You are not going to be able to rent a server from anyone, delve it up between a bunch of high-bandwidth users and make it economically feasible. The best option is to be in the hosting business, in which you divide up hosting resources between high bandwidth users and low-bandwidth users. Combining a group of unprofitable users is unprofitable, no matter how you do the math. Much better to let the companies whose business it is combine users who, while they may be allocated hundreds of gigabytes a month of transfer, don't use it, with users who do. There are two options in the vlog hosting world, and I don't see a need for a third. There are people who want to host their vlogs for free, and thus they make a tradeoff in terms of service, and there are those who are willing to pay. I'm all for free services, and I happily recommend them to people who don't really care whether their users can access their videos. There are also paid options, which cost a mimimal amount a month (honestly, if you can't afford $120/yr, you can't afford the camera and the computer to vlog either, probably). I recommend the paid options to most people. Who wants to invest the time and effort to create a middle option when the second option is already so cheap? Clint On 2/18/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off...*I* never asked a question. Learn reading skills. Second. My conversations take place in person where I can see a persons eyes. I trust about 1% of what I read online. Last. I really dont care about being part of some vlog collective. The original concept was for some people to group funds together for a server that would host videos. Care to dance a little more? David http://www.taoofdavid.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- - - - - Sullhttp://vlogdir.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
*chuckle* David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (honestly, if you can't afford $120/yr, you can't afford the camera and the computer to vlog either, probably). maybe the costs of hardware, software etc are WHY people cant or dont want to spend the hosting dollars. especially if just a little hobby. you win for this weeks Most Amercian Comment Award ;-) On 2/19/06, Clint Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be happy to dance. There are currently thousands of hosting options from thousands of providers who make it their business to maximize the amount of people you can fit onto one server. Those people are not the people on this list. I suggest you check them out. Vlog hosting needs two things, servers and bandwidth. A collective or a shared hosting resource of vloggers is never going to be able to compete with people who's business it is to make a profit doing this. You are not going to be able to rent a server from anyone, delve it up between a bunch of high-bandwidth users and make it economically feasible. The best option is to be in the hosting business, in which you divide up hosting resources between high bandwidth users and low-bandwidth users. Combining a group of unprofitable users is unprofitable, no matter how you do the math. Much better to let the companies whose business it is combine users who, while they may be allocated hundreds of gigabytes a month of transfer, don't use it, with users who do. There are two options in the vlog hosting world, and I don't see a need for a third. There are people who want to host their vlogs for free, and thus they make a tradeoff in terms of service, and there are those who are willing to pay. I'm all for free services, and I happily recommend them to people who don't really care whether their users can access their videos. There are also paid options, which cost a mimimal amount a month (honestly, if you can't afford $120/yr, you can't afford the camera and the computer to vlog either, probably). I recommend the paid options to most people. Who wants to invest the time and effort to create a middle option when the second option is already so cheap? Clint On 2/18/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off...*I* never asked a question. Learn reading skills. Second. My conversations take place in person where I can see a persons eyes. I trust about 1% of what I read online. Last. I really dont care about being part of some vlog collective. The original concept was for some people to group funds together for a server that would host videos. Care to dance a little more? David http://www.taoofdavid.com SPONSORED LINKS Individualhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=OHeQJKby66gg3t35np-qiw Fireanthttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=hK8TfZa7ClhTIxDJdP6Cbw Usehttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=fljF53rXtnOMjmpIySYbqA -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- - - - - Sull http://vlogdir.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
My interest would be, if viable, to test out applications like FFMPEG (transcoding) running on the server. Loading applications would not be available on a managed server and would cost more for a dedicated server only for myself. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ah, clint quite obviously there is a third option: people who want it free, but without the trade off of poor availability/performance/etc the reason why this is needed so much is not necessarily because people are cheap, but because they want to see it work reliably the first time when they are starting out (for one thing) i think that this is really important for vlogging to take off: reliable, free access for beginners. plus i'm sure there are plenty of folks who can't or don't want to afford yet *another* $120 (kids come to mind for one) another point: the paid options often come with a fair amount of admin hassles for some people. they are not all turnkey and certainly not all equal or easy to use for the average person. finally, it's not always the case that a paid service performs better than a free one (especially when the paid one gets popular). every hosting provider I ever had was great until they weren't ;) maybe it's just a question of *who* is paying for the service (i.e., not users) how do we increase archive reliability and performance? is it just a money issue? how do we make Bush pay for it? :p Clint Sharp wrote: I'd be happy to dance. There are currently thousands of hosting options from thousands of providers who make it their business to maximize the amount of people you can fit onto one server. Those people are not the people on this list. I suggest you check them out. Vlog hosting needs two things, servers and bandwidth. A collective or a shared hosting resource of vloggers is never going to be able to compete with people who's business it is to make a profit doing this. You are not going to be able to rent a server from anyone, delve it up between a bunch of high-bandwidth users and make it economically feasible. The best option is to be in the hosting business, in which you divide up hosting resources between high bandwidth users and low-bandwidth users. Combining a group of unprofitable users is unprofitable, no matter how you do the math. Much better to let the companies whose business it is combine users who, while they may be allocated hundreds of gigabytes a month of transfer, don't use it, with users who do. There are two options in the vlog hosting world, and I don't see a need for a third. There are people who want to host their vlogs for free, and thus they make a tradeoff in terms of service, and there are those who are willing to pay. I'm all for free services, and I happily recommend them to people who don't really care whether their users can access their videos. There are also paid options, which cost a mimimal amount a month (honestly, if you can't afford $120/yr, you can't afford the camera and the computer to vlog either, probably). I recommend the paid options to most people. Who wants to invest the time and effort to create a middle option when the second option is already so cheap? Clint On 2/18/06, *David Howell* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off...*I* never asked a question. Learn reading skills. Second. My conversations take place in person where I can see a persons eyes. I trust about 1% of what I read online. Last. I really dont care about being part of some vlog collective. The original concept was for some people to group funds together for a server that would host videos. Care to dance a little more? David http://www.taoofdavid.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=OHeQJKby66gg3t35np-qiw Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=hK8TfZa7ClhTIxDJdP6Cbw Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=fljF53rXtnOMjmpIySYbqA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
I want Porsche looks and performance, with the ease of maintenance of a Japanese automobile and the price of a Geo Metro, think that will work out for me? :) Honestly, I don't have much patience for people who want to have hobbies but they can't afford them. Hobbies are expensive. Golf is a hobby, it's expensive. Computers are a hobby, they're expensive. Wood-working is a hobby, that's expensive. My wife likes to sew, that's expensive too. Nobody is out there saying there should be a service where my wife can get fabric for free so she can be a better seamstress. I will grant you that hosting options aren't necessarily easy. That's a problem that someone could probably make some money solving, but seeing as I haven't used the majority of hosting providers, there's probably someone who's made it pretty easy and I just don't know about them :). ClintOn 2/18/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quite obviously there is a third option: people who want it free, but without the trade off of poor availability/performance/etc SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
i was going to mention ffmpeg and other interesting software that shared hosts will never let you use. i've asked 6 host services if they would install ffmpeg and all said no can do. so, if a group has some developer/vlogger tpyes fun things can happen :) On 2/19/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My interest would be, if viable, to test out applications like FFMPEG(transcoding) running on the server.Loading applications would notbe available on a managed server and would cost more for a dedicatedserver only for myself. -- Enric--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ah, clint quite obviously there is a third option: people who want it free, but without the trade off of poor availability/performance/etc the reason why this is needed so much is not necessarily because people are cheap, but because they want to see it work reliably the first time when they are starting out (for one thing) i think that this is really important for vlogging to take off: reliable, free access for beginners. plus i'm sure there are plenty of folks who can't or don't want to afford yet *another* $120 (kids come to mind for one) another point: the paid options often come with a fair amount of admin hassles for some people.they are not all turnkey and certainly not all equal or easy to use for the average person. finally, it's not always the case that a paid service performs better than a free one (especially when the paid one gets popular). every hosting provider I ever had was great until they weren't ;) maybe it's just a question of *who* is paying for the service (i.e.,not users) how do we increase archive reliability and performance? is it just a money issue? how do we make Bush pay for it?:p Clint Sharp wrote: I'd be happy to dance.There are currently thousands of hosting options from thousands of providers who make it their business to maximize the amount of people you can fit onto one server.Those people are not the people on this list.I suggest you check them out. Vlog hosting needs two things, servers and bandwidth.A collective or a shared hosting resource of vloggers is never going to be able to compete with people who's business it is to make a profit doing this. You are not going to be able to rent a server from anyone, delveit up between a bunch of high-bandwidth users and make it economically feasible.The best option is to be in the hosting business, in which you divide up hosting resources between high bandwidth users and low-bandwidth users.Combining a group of unprofitable users is unprofitable, no matter how you do the math.Much better to let the companies whose business it is combine users who, while they may be allocated hundreds of gigabytes a month of transfer, don't use it, with users who do. There are two options in the vlog hosting world, and I don't see a need for a third.There are people who want to host their vlogs for free, and thus they make a tradeoff in terms of service, and thereare those who are willing to pay.I'm all for free services, and I happily recommend them to people who don't really care whether their users can access their videos.There are also paid options, which cost a mimimal amount a month (honestly, if you can't afford $120/yr, you can't afford the camera and the computer to vlog either, probably).I recommend the paid options to most people.Whowants to invest the time and effort to create a middle option when the second option is already so cheap? Clint On 2/18/06, *David Howell* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: taoofdavid@... wrote: First off...*I* never asked a question. Learn reading skills. Second. My conversations take place in person where I can see a persons eyes. I trust about 1% of what I read online. Last. I really dont care about being part of some vlogcollective. The original concept was for some people to group funds together for a server that would host videos. Care to dance a little more?David http://www.taoofdavid.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=OHeQJKby66gg3t35np-qiw Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=hK8TfZa7ClhTIxDJdP6Cbw Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=fljF53rXtnOMjmpIySYbqA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS *Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. *To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Unsubscribe *Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
alright, then consider this if free and reliable hosting were the norm, just think of how much better the paid services would have to be Clint Sharp wrote: I want Porsche looks and performance, with the ease of maintenance of a Japanese automobile and the price of a Geo Metro, think that will work out for me? :) Honestly, I don't have much patience for people who want to have hobbies but they can't afford them. Hobbies are expensive. Golf is a hobby, it's expensive. Computers are a hobby, they're expensive. Wood-working is a hobby, that's expensive. My wife likes to sew, that's expensive too. Nobody is out there saying there should be a service where my wife can get fabric for free so she can be a better seamstress. I will grant you that hosting options aren't necessarily easy. That's a problem that someone could probably make some money solving, but seeing as I haven't used the majority of hosting providers, there's probably someone who's made it pretty easy and I just don't know about them :). Clint On 2/18/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quite obviously there is a third option: people who want it free, but without the trade off of poor availability/performance/etc -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
Honestly, I don't have much patience for people who want to have hobbies but they can't afford them.screw the under-privileged people around the world who we once, and still on occasion, evangelized to and about vlogging could liberate the world wants to hear and see your stories. screw them because they cant afford it. whatever. patience is a virtue, you know.sullOn 2/19/06, Clint Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want Porsche looks and performance, with the ease of maintenance of a Japanese automobile and the price of a Geo Metro, think that will work out for me? :) Honestly, I don't have much patience for people who want to have hobbies but they can't afford them. Hobbies are expensive. Golf is a hobby, it's expensive. Computers are a hobby, they're expensive. Wood-working is a hobby, that's expensive. My wife likes to sew, that's expensive too. Nobody is out there saying there should be a service where my wife can get fabric for free so she can be a better seamstress. I will grant you that hosting options aren't necessarily easy. That's a problem that someone could probably make some money solving, but seeing as I haven't used the majority of hosting providers, there's probably someone who's made it pretty easy and I just don't know about them :). ClintOn 2/18/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quite obviously there is a third option: people who want it free, but without the trade off of poor availability/performance/etc SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- - - - - Sullhttp://vlogdir.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
I feel like this has become a bi-polar conversation. You keep going on about free this and free that. Where has anyone in this thread said that they wanted a free hosting solution from a server cooperative? Serious. Are you having a conversation with someone here that isnt making posts? I really dont get where you are coming from. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Clint Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want Porsche looks and performance, with the ease of maintenance of a Japanese automobile and the price of a Geo Metro, think that will work out for me? :) Honestly, I don't have much patience for people who want to have hobbies but they can't afford them. Hobbies are expensive. Golf is a hobby, it's expensive. Computers are a hobby, they're expensive. Wood-working is a hobby, that's expensive. My wife likes to sew, that's expensive too. Nobody is out there saying there should be a service where my wife can get fabric for free so she can be a better seamstress. I will grant you that hosting options aren't necessarily easy. That's a problem that someone could probably make some money solving, but seeing as I haven't used the majority of hosting providers, there's probably someone who's made it pretty easy and I just don't know about them :). Clint On 2/18/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quite obviously there is a third option: people who want it free, but without the trade off of poor availability/performance/etc Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
are you saying that Clint is dancing, but stepping on yer toes? ;-)might need to spin him out. all in good fun. love ya clint.On 2/19/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I feel like this has become a bi-polar conversation. You keep going on about free this and free that. Where has anyone inthis thread said that they wanted a free hosting solution from aserver cooperative?Serious. Are you having a conversation with someone here that isnt making posts? I really dont get where you are coming from.Davidhttp://www.taoofdavid.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , Clint Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want Porsche looks and performance, with the ease of maintenance of a Japanese automobile and the price of a Geo Metro, think that willwork out for me? :) Honestly, I don't have much patience for people who want to havehobbies but they can't afford them.Hobbies are expensive.Golf is a hobby, it's expensive.Computers are a hobby, they're expensive.Wood-working is a hobby, that's expensive.My wife likes to sew, that's expensive too. Nobody is out there saying there should be a service where my wifecan get fabric for free so she can be a better seamstress. I will grant you that hosting options aren't necessarily easy.That's a problem that someone could probably make some money solving, butseeing as I haven't used the majority of hosting providers, there's probably someone who's made it pretty easy and I just don't know about them :). Clint On 2/18/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quite obviously there is a third option: people who want it free, but without the trade off of poor availability/performance/etc Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- - - - - Sullhttp://vlogdir.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
Every vlogger is more popular than 90% of businesses and regular users hosting websites. Even the most image intensive website would really have to be visited a lot of times to equal the average video size. Most of my videos were at least 15 megabytes, which a lot of websites don't use in a week of views. That's just one video view! 1-3 TB would be ok for sharing among a group of vloggers, although I'm not exactly sure of the math either, as to how many users you could fit on that. Lets say you leased a server, to the tune of a minimum of $99 a month, for which most places gives you less than 2 TB. Saying every video was 15 MB, and every video was viewed about 100 times on average, and every vloggers published 7 videos a month, you could fit maybe 200 vloggers on there. You can get 10 dreamhost managed accounts for that amount for 10 TB, which you could share among 1000 vloggers. The math doesn't add up for dedicated servers. It's easier to let the hosting companies aggregate it, because they have the volume to stick low bandwidth users on the same servers with high bandwidth users. Putting a group of vloggers together just isn't smart when there are so many low-bandwidth users out there. However, you could in theory with those numbers aggregate 1000 vloggers for $1000/mo. However, aggregating those means someone needs to manage those 10 dreamhost accounts and manage all the users, transfers, space etc (or a dedicated server depending on which route you've chosen). This person needs to collect the money to pay that $1000 a month, for a 1000 users, $1/mo, or find some other way of paying for it. Philanthropically, it's not necessarily a bad thing, it just doesn't make much sense to me, that someone would want to donate that much time. There's a profit potential there though. Throttling is very expensive in terms of administrative time. You would either have to pay for some software to do that for you or write your own, which is time consuming and expensive, far more opportunity cost than just buying a bunch of DreamHost accounts. I keep coming back to collecting the money in my head too. Have you ever rented an apartment from a bunch of friends? Remember how much it sucked because one of your buddies couldn't come up with the rent like every other month and everybody else had to chip in to keep from getting evicted? Renting a server amongst a bunch of a people to me seems like it would work out the same way. To me, the only reason to lease your own server instead of paying for managed hosting is because you need to run software on there that you can't run on a managed server (something that doesn't fit into the LAMP acronym), otherwise, it's cheaper, easier and less headache to pay someone else to manage it for you. Lastly, even though you could cut costs by sharing the bandwidth among hosting accounts, I just can't see it working on a large scale. Clint On 2/18/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mathmatically, this depends, right?. first, you are assuming every vlogger would be popular to the point of usining up much of the 1-3TB. in actuality, most vloggers of a small consortium would prob not use up this allotment. i'm talking under 30 vloggers. i dont have #s to back this up... but on average, i think 1-3 TB would be ok. am i wrong? when hosting companies advertise these large numbers they do so because they know that most to all will never need or reach even 10% that amount per month. its called marketing. ok, we are talking video serving so this is obviously a group of higher bandwidth users than typical people wanting to host pages and pictures but still. i am not convinved by what you say. i understand some of what you are *trying* to say, but you seem to be very close-minded when maybe their is some logic here. and what about throttling the pipe? and what about a managed dedicated server at a hosting facility basically providing same type of service and quuality and backbone as a shared hosti know... getting paid shared hosting is a fine option. what i am not totally seeing is how a small group of people getting dedicated server is as bad as you say. willing to be enlightened though... as others here are too. so, can you cut through it and dispell how it breaks down.. sort of like adam did? and leave out the clint wit.sull SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
People around the world would be served much better by abundant food, clean water and cheap housing. That aside, hosting is not an issue for people who can afford the hardware and software to actually create the videos. If you want to make vlogging affordable for people, cheaper computers and cheaper cameras are the problem to solve, not hosting. ClintOn 2/19/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: screw the under-privileged people around the world who we once, and still on occasion, evangelized to and about vlogging could liberate the world wants to hear and see your stories. screw them because they cant afford it. whatever. patience is a virtue, you know.sull SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
I think it might be a little hard to vlog if one didnt have the means with which to distribute the videos. I suppose they could burn the videos onto DVD's and mail them out to random people though? David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Clint Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People around the world would be served much better by abundant food, clean water and cheap housing. That aside, hosting is not an issue for people who can afford the hardware and software to actually create the videos. If you want to make vlogging affordable for people, cheaper computers and cheaper cameras are the problem to solve, not hosting. Clint On 2/19/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: screw the under-privileged people around the world who we once, and still on occasion, evangelized to and about vlogging could liberate the world wants to hear and see your stories. screw them because they cant afford it. whatever. patience is a virtue, you know. sull Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
whats the data pipe at dreamhost like? if i can get 300-400mb/sec data rate on a dedicated hosting plan, what can i get from a $10 per month dreamhost plan? this is the performance issue... the BIG issue in my opinion. and the primary issue behind the interest in this idea i think. does dreamhot throttle data rate? fat pipes are better ;-)On 2/19/06, Clint Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every vlogger is more popular than 90% of businesses and regular users hosting websites. Even the most image intensive website would really have to be visited a lot of times to equal the average video size. Most of my videos were at least 15 megabytes, which a lot of websites don't use in a week of views. That's just one video view! 1-3 TB would be ok for sharing among a group of vloggers, although I'm not exactly sure of the math either, as to how many users you could fit on that. Lets say you leased a server, to the tune of a minimum of $99 a month, for which most places gives you less than 2 TB. Saying every video was 15 MB, and every video was viewed about 100 times on average, and every vloggers published 7 videos a month, you could fit maybe 200 vloggers on there. You can get 10 dreamhost managed accounts for that amount for 10 TB, which you could share among 1000 vloggers. The math doesn't add up for dedicated servers. It's easier to let the hosting companies aggregate it, because they have the volume to stick low bandwidth users on the same servers with high bandwidth users. Putting a group of vloggers together just isn't smart when there are so many low-bandwidth users out there. However, you could in theory with those numbers aggregate 1000 vloggers for $1000/mo. However, aggregating those means someone needs to manage those 10 dreamhost accounts and manage all the users, transfers, space etc (or a dedicated server depending on which route you've chosen). This person needs to collect the money to pay that $1000 a month, for a 1000 users, $1/mo, or find some other way of paying for it. Philanthropically, it's not necessarily a bad thing, it just doesn't make much sense to me, that someone would want to donate that much time. There's a profit potential there though. Throttling is very expensive in terms of administrative time. You would either have to pay for some software to do that for you or write your own, which is time consuming and expensive, far more opportunity cost than just buying a bunch of DreamHost accounts. I keep coming back to collecting the money in my head too. Have you ever rented an apartment from a bunch of friends? Remember how much it sucked because one of your buddies couldn't come up with the rent like every other month and everybody else had to chip in to keep from getting evicted? Renting a server amongst a bunch of a people to me seems like it would work out the same way. To me, the only reason to lease your own server instead of paying for managed hosting is because you need to run software on there that you can't run on a managed server (something that doesn't fit into the LAMP acronym), otherwise, it's cheaper, easier and less headache to pay someone else to manage it for you. Lastly, even though you could cut costs by sharing the bandwidth among hosting accounts, I just can't see it working on a large scale. Clint On 2/18/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mathmatically, this depends, right?. first, you are assuming every vlogger would be popular to the point of usining up much of the 1-3TB. in actuality, most vloggers of a small consortium would prob not use up this allotment. i'm talking under 30 vloggers. i dont have #s to back this up... but on average, i think 1-3 TB would be ok. am i wrong? when hosting companies advertise these large numbers they do so because they know that most to all will never need or reach even 10% that amount per month. its called marketing. ok, we are talking video serving so this is obviously a group of higher bandwidth users than typical people wanting to host pages and pictures but still. i am not convinved by what you say. i understand some of what you are *trying* to say, but you seem to be very close-minded when maybe their is some logic here. and what about throttling the pipe? and what about a managed dedicated server at a hosting facility basically providing same type of service and quuality and backbone as a shared hosti know... getting paid shared hosting is a fine option. what i am not totally seeing is how a small group of people getting dedicated server is as bad as you say. willing to be enlightened though... as others here are too. so, can you cut through it and dispell how it breaks down.. sort of like adam did? and leave out the clint wit.sull SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
cut and dry black and white. wrong. but i'll let it go.On 2/19/06, Clint Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People around the world would be served much better by abundant food, clean water and cheap housing. That aside, hosting is not an issue for people who can afford the hardware and software to actually create the videos. If you want to make vlogging affordable for people, cheaper computers and cheaper cameras are the problem to solve, not hosting. ClintOn 2/19/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: screw the under-privileged people around the world who we once, and still on occasion, evangelized to and about vlogging could liberate the world wants to hear and see your stories. screw them because they cant afford it. whatever. patience is a virtue, you know.sull SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- - - - - Sullhttp://vlogdir.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
You know...all we need is a repository that hold files. All I am looking for is a server that hosts my media that I can ftp my file to and link to from my site. Folders for the users. Figure out your own way to determine how many times the files are accessed. Simplicity does actually work. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps there is a way to build off of existing infrastructures? (e.g. Blip, Ourmedia). They could provide operational support and premium bandwidth/loads, and we would be supporting existing initiatives. I can't speak for either company, but I think it would be cool if we could do it that way.. On 2/17/06, davecircumnavigator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since videobloggers have high bandwidth requirements and ISPs give discounts for planned large bandwidth consumption, would anyone be interested in a server cooperative where we negotiate as a group for server space and bandwidth? Has this been tried on this group? If every member of this group is paying a monthly basic web hosting fee of $5, that's almost $10,000 a month and that buys A LOT of bandwidth. SPONSORED LINKS Individualhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=OHeQJKby66gg3t35np-qiw Fireanthttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=hK8TfZa7ClhTIxDJdP6Cbw Usehttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=fljF53rXtnOMjmpIySYbqA -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- Ted Tagami Principal, Universus Networks U N I V E R S U S . N E T Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
Your problem is twofold. One is throughput as you're saying. The second and harder problem is montly transfer limitations. I've spent quite a while researching hosting providers, and nobody offers more than 4 terabytes transfer for $200/mo, and about half that for $100/mo. It doesn't take long serving video times to chew up 2 to 4 terabytes amongst a group of vloggers (one highly linked video could blow that for everyone). There are no dedicated server options that I have been able to find (that doesn't mean they don't exist, but not at the 30 or so providers I've looked at), that offer anything that comes close to the amount of bandwidth I'd want to share amongst a group of vloggers. You'd think that if $10/mo buys you 1 TB on a shared managed server, that $100/mo would get you 10TB on a dedicated server (probably more since you're responsible for managing it yourself), but it just isn't the case. ClintOn 2/19/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whats the data pipe at dreamhost like? if i can get 300-400mb/sec data rate on a dedicated hosting plan, what can i get from a $10 per month dreamhost plan? this is the performance issue... the BIG issue in my opinion. and the primary issue behind the interest in this idea i think. does dreamhot throttle data rate? fat pipes are better ;-) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
This isnt such a bad idea. I'd go in for it. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, davecircumnavigator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since videobloggers have high bandwidth requirements and ISPs give discounts for planned large bandwidth consumption, would anyone be interested in a server cooperative where we negotiate as a group for server space and bandwidth? Has this been tried on this group? If every member of this group is paying a monthly basic web hosting fee of $5, that's almost $10,000 a month and that buys A LOT of bandwidth. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
Even if you can only get 5 or 10 people to contribute, you should go for it. It's a great idea. Not only bandwidth, but server speed could be improved. If I had the need for it, I'd be in on it.10 people at 10 bucks a month buys a $99 Dreamhost dedicated server, I'm pretty sure. On 2/17/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This isnt such a bad idea. I'd go in for it. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, davecircumnavigator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since videobloggers have high bandwidth requirements and ISPs give discounts for planned large bandwidth consumption, would anyone be interested in a server cooperative where we negotiate as a group for server space and bandwidth? Has this been tried on this group? If every member of this group is paying a monthly basic web hosting fee of $5, that's almost $10,000 a month and that buys A LOT of bandwidth. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
