Re: [videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-12-03 Thread groups-yahoo-com
Steve, Personally, I think Sony got the PSP aggregation wrong. They needed an automatic podcatcher. None of this downloading and watching one video at a time. You have to be able to automatically cache the videos without any attention. You shouldn't have to download or browse heavily on the

[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-12-03 Thread Mark Day
On 12/1/06, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] steve%40dvmachine.com wrote: Are youtubers having 'video conversations' much these days, ie responding to a video with a video of their own rather than text comments? Is there anything built into the system, or any other system, that makes this

[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-12-01 Thread Steve Watkins
I was wondering how the Podcamp West Community Imperialism discussion went? Is there any record of it on the internets? Is there somewhere that the discussion is continuing? Is there a good place that I can go to watch the slow march of some DIYers towards DRM love? Are youtubers having 'video

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-19 Thread Peter Leppik
Sull: I think the source of your problem is that you don't understand the meaning of the words videoblogger, videoblogging, and videoblog. Let me clarify these terms for you, based on what I've learned from reading this list: VIDEOBLOGGER: One who belongs to the videoblogging group hosted

[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-19 Thread Steve Watkins
Id like to see an example of any post by anybody here that has ever suggested that you are only a videoblogger if you are in this yahoo group. Whether you have ever read or posted to this group has absolutely nothing to do with whether the videoblogger label is deemed to fit you or not. And I cant

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-19 Thread sull
Peter, VIDEOBLOGGER: One who belongs to the videoblogging group hosted at Yahoo Groups. Tell me you are kidding. Trust me, I know what I know to be true ;) sull On 11/19/06, Peter Leppik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sull: I think the source of your problem is that you don't understand the

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-19 Thread Peter Leppik
Of course I'm kidding, but a martian reading this group for the first time would think that we're inordinately concerned about what videoblogging is, who qualifies as a videoblogger (as opposed to, say, mainstream media posted online), and what it all means in the grand scheme of things.

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-18 Thread Mike Meiser
On 11/17/06, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/17/06, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And for all my love of video, Ive always been to shy to say any of these sorts of things in video, too self-concious to even have a personal text-blog, so I spew the words here on this

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-18 Thread Mike Meiser
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community Oh. I see. :) Good coverage, too. I've never seen that because I didn't see a link to that page from the main page. Thanks. --- In videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-18 Thread Mike Meiser
On 11/17/06, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the term that might be more accurately reflective is 'cultural imperialism', but community was substituted in light of the thinking that we view ourselves as a community more than a culture in most cases? I also adore how inflammatory

[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-18 Thread Eric Rice
Well that's one question I hope to find answers to at Podcamp--- cuz this isn't a videoblogging issue, it's blogging, podcasting, SL, the whole nine yards. There are many communities, agreed, it's when we think ours is the One True God (stealing from Elizabethan times)--that's what I'm looking

[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-18 Thread Eric Rice
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is youtube still perpetuates the idea that it's all just a big popularity contest. This promotes the idea that it is all about viral video, funny videos, and other 'entertainment' hiding the true identity

[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-18 Thread Eric Rice
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Robert Scoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Either way, I just will cover it on my blog and you'll all find it anyway, right? Heheh. Yeah all my mySpace homies read Scobleizer, ohhh wait, THE blogosphere. xD See the accidental pattern (yeah I got it was in

[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-18 Thread Eric Rice
As an aside, Mike, the other reason I'm finding the community imperialism angle so fascinating, is because I'm timing how slowly a very very VERY important chain of events regarding intellectual property, DMCA-friendly and DRM-wanting folks (and it's DIY people, not the Big Boys) is barely

[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-18 Thread Eric Rice
Or 'theirtube' if you follow the reasoning of '[YouTube] chose to be inoperable with us' Gotta disagree with Mike's choice of words there and use that as a prime example... who died and made us gods of what works or what doesn't? If we're the gods then I want a cape dammit. :-) ER --- In

[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-18 Thread Eric Rice
How about adding some non-tech concepts there, such as, how and why to make media for portable devices. The Verizon (icky)/Google deal might technically misunderstand certain things, but the flip side is the consumer going 'WOW videos on mah phonez! wt' Do they give a rat's butt about

[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-18 Thread Eric Rice
Mike, did you watch the YouTube video I posted? If so, did you hear what they were saying? See what they were doing? ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh, one more though about community equalling walled garden. I just wanted to clarify. First there are

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-18 Thread Steve Garfield
And you end up on my point, but it's a about Tony, baby. Videoblogging is people. I subscribe to people. Many video networks have categories for all types of shows, but leave out the 'people' category. Look at http://network2.tv/ * All Shows * Arts * Business *

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-18 Thread groups-yahoo-com
Wow, that I just read like 8 responses from Eric and one from Steve. Steve's concept, I don't subscribe to vlogs, I subscribe to people is exactly the same thing I'm saying. Perhaps it even put it in a better way for general understanding. Steve says, I subscribe to people, not vlogs Peter

[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-18 Thread bofoboho
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This weekend at PodCamp West, I'm part of a discussion about Community Imperialism in DIY Media, because frankly, I believe the state of 'communities' is crap. It's been a rough week, seeing everyday people invoking the

[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-18 Thread Charles Hope
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Videoblog Community should be ALL including YouTubers, MySpacers, people who might not be aware of DV, RSS, etc Possible reality: Videoblog Community = This Yahoo Group (The Vloggies jumps right out at me one this

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-18 Thread sull
I just finished reading this thread with a sorta confused look on my face for most of it And it fitting that the last message here by Charles Hope jives with how I feel. This seems to be a case of over-analyzing a specific perspective of communities who are using video to socialize, create,

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-18 Thread J. Rhett Aultman
sull wrote: This seems to be a case of over-analyzing a specific perspective of communities who are using video to socialize, create, inform, entertain, insult, inspire etcetera. Wait...overanalysis of small amounts of social behavior until it looks like peasants are storming the Bastille?

[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-17 Thread Steve Watkins
Yes I think you are right, you have something there. I guess there are some other factors too, like cheapness and availability of webcams. And I guess when people are talking about emotional issues, sort of having a 'heart to heart' with the camera, the act of recording it can be quite a

[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-17 Thread Robert
IMHO many are all desperate to be heard as individuals and are more comfortable projecting to anonymous strangers than you may be talking to your next door neighbor or the person in line next to you at the coffee shop - which is a very interesting state of affairs for the world - it's quite

[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-17 Thread Steve Watkins
You got me looking at the word Imperial and what it actually means. It really applies to countries, but tracing the term back further I guess you are basically meaning human power, the way people get it, and the effect it has on others, those without power? If so, I find it interesting that

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-17 Thread Paul Knight
On 17 Nov 2006, at 23:40, Steve Watkins wrote: Also quite a number of them seemed to be English or British, and I wonder if they could of been influenced by the fact that we've had quite a few TV shows over the years that have featured 'ordinary people' who are given a videocamera and make a

[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-17 Thread Steve Watkins
Hopefully, if the youtube crowd remains a diverse thing, that wont happen. There will always be new people appearing and being in that 'hi, here i am' phase. And I doubt a majority of those people will necessarily go on to other things, they will continue to evolve as people but maybe without

[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-17 Thread Steve Watkins
Yeah, I dont know if we are behind or if the cultural differences you referred to mean that we'll always be different like that. I dont know if the whole 'blogging' thing, let alone video blogging, ever meant the same to people on this side of the pond, let alone videoblogging. As you said, the

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-17 Thread Adam Quirk
On 11/17/06, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And for all my love of video, Ive always been to shy to say any of these sorts of things in video, too self-concious to even have a personal text-blog, so I spew the words here on this sort of group,a nd its probably a mismatch, but

[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-17 Thread Eric Rice
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: exactly how much the 'blog' part of vlogging is as important/central Did ya notice how a lot of them referred to their video as simply, 'a blog' ? We didn't see THAT whap upside the head coming with the productive

[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-17 Thread Eric Rice
I think the term that might be more accurately reflective is 'cultural imperialism', but community was substituted in light of the thinking that we view ourselves as a community more than a culture in most cases? I also adore how inflammatory Imperialism is as a word, but go 10,000 m with

[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-17 Thread Eric Rice
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: frankly, I believe the state of 'communities' is crap. Can you explain this statement further? What is 'crap' about the state of 'communities'? Silos, isolationism, mis-labelling-- whether intentional or by

[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-17 Thread Bill Cammack
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blogosphere for example, term supposed to mean 'bloggers everywhere' /me dances through meadow. Possible reality: Blogosphere = Blogger/Tech Blogosphere Podcast Listeners should be ALL Possible reality: Podcast

RE: [videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-17 Thread Robert Scoble
Now that you mention The Vloggies, how come http://vloggiessf. http://vloggiessf.com com was never updated with A) the winners, and B) any coverage of the event, whatsoever? The coverage and winners' list was on the Vloggie blog: http://vloggies.wordpress.com/ But, we could have done a

[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-17 Thread Bill Cammack
Oh. I see. :) Good coverage, too. I've never seen that because I didn't see a link to that page from the main page. Thanks. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Robert Scoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that you mention The Vloggies, how come http://vloggiessf. http://vloggiessf.com

RE: [videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community

2006-11-17 Thread Robert Scoble
, right? Heheh. Robert _ From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Cammack Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:25 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community Oh. I see. :) Good coverage