Re: [videoblogging] Re: Weagel and Bluestein on Content

2005-08-24 Thread Adam Quirk



Just checking back in on this thread and finding that its subject has
predictably veered away from content into technical realms.

So, to get back on topic...

http://www.bullemhead.com/Government/poor_bunny.html




  




  
  
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[videoblogging] Re: Weagel and Bluestein on Content

2005-08-23 Thread Steve Watkins




Its all relative. 147MB for an hours video is really small to me, its
very impressive really when we consider that less than a decade ago an
hours worth of music was at least 500MB.

Yes you could get the file down to 50MB, or make extreme reductions
such as the video being at 1 frame per second, but its not without cost.

Ideally eerything would be available in different
resolutions/bitrates/formats to cater for all tastes. Large file sizes
are a bad barrier to some people, but lousy quality video is a barrier
to others.

Still as soon as we start to offer more than one format, it starts to
complicate things for the viewer (eg more than one feed) and add some
time to the pproduction process. Even so archive.org provides a good
example of the joys of having files in various qualities to suit all 
tastes. It would be nice to have a future where itunes knows your
conection speed and preferences, and picks the suitable version of the
video to download, things could be made very easy for the user, but
it'l always be a pain for the creators I guess.

At the end of the day the content maters more to me than these issues,
but then again different sorts of content also affect how much of a
compromise its wise to make on resolution, bitrate etc.

Theres no way I want filesize issues to put people off videoblogging,
but at the same time I and many others in the UK will have 10MB
broadband connections by the end of the year, and it will be a shame
if the only content available at the quality,resolution etc that such
speeds can make realistic, is from big media giants and not more
videobloggers. I just think there are 2 quests, both for filesize and
quality, as well as the eternal compatibility quest, and we should let
either quest domimate at the expense of the other. 

Cheers

Steve of Elbows
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 BTW Amy Goodman's Democracy Now is Video Podcasting 1 hour daily on 
 the iTunes store now. These files are HUGE. Today's hour is 147.7 MB. 
 Now we're talking serious need for more compression. I could have 
 gotten that thing down to 50 MB.
 






  




  
  
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[videoblogging] Re: Weagel and Bluestein on Content

2005-08-23 Thread Steve Watkins




Oops, should was supposed to be shouldnt.

lol it serves me right, the democracy now video is getting on my
nerves by taking ages to download. Another drawback to long video
length  filesize is of course that it compounds any server speed 
bandwidth cost issues. With my current connection a 150MB file should
take I dunno, somewhere between 10 and 20 minutes to download, but
many servers dont end up delivering files anywhere near that quickly. 

Steve of Elbows

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: I just think there are 2 quests, both for filesize and
 quality, as well as the eternal compatibility quest, and we should let
 either quest domimate at the expense of the other. 
 
 Cheers
 
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[videoblogging] Re: Weagel and Bluestein on Content

2005-08-23 Thread Gena




Still that is a huge honking file - even for upper end DSL/Cable
users. Is she or her company presenting content that is worthy of that
file size?

I don't object to people wanting to present their stuff in the best
resolution and format. But that size excludes the very people the
democracy is suppose to be about. There has to be an effective balance
between transmission and presentation. 

147MB? This ain't it.

Gena
http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Its all relative. 147MB for an hours video is really small to me,
its  very impressive really when we consider that less than a decade
ago an hours worth of music was at least 500MB.
 
 Yes you could get the file down to 50MB, or make extreme reductions
 such as the video being at 1 frame per second, but its not without
cost.
 
 Ideally eerything would be available in different
resolutions/bitrates/formats to cater for all tastes. Large file sizes
 are a bad barrier to some people, but lousy quality video is a b
arrier to others.
 
 Still as soon as we start to offer more than one format, it starts
to complicate things for the viewer (eg more than one feed) and add
some time to the pproduction process. Even so archive.org provides a
good example of the joys of having files in various qualities to suit
all tastes. It would be nice to have a future where itunes knows your
conection speed and preferences, and picks the suitable version of the
 video to download, things could be made very easy for the user, but
 it'l always be a pain for the creators I guess.
At the end of the day the content maters more to me than these
issues, but then again different sorts of content also affect how
much of a compromise its wise to make on resolution, bitrate etc.
 
 Theres no way I want filesize issues to put people off
videoblogging, but at the same time I and many others in the UK will
have 10MB broadband connections by the end of the year, and it will be
a shame if the only content available at the quality,resolution etc
that such speeds can make realistic, is from big media giants and not
more videobloggers. I just think there are 2 quests, both for
filesize and quality, as well as the eternal compatibility quest, and
we should let either quest domimate at the expense of the other. 
 
 Cheers
 
 Steve of Elbows
 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  BTW Amy Goodman's Democracy Now is Video Podcasting 1 hour daily
on the iTunes store now. These files are HUGE. Today's hour is 147.7
MB. Now we're talking serious need for more compression. I could
have gotten that thing down to 50 MB.





  




  
  
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