Re: [videoblogging] Re: What do you guys think about Blogtelevision.net
Another issue here is that I checked out this link to see what you were talking about and it was hard core porn action...pretty crummy service if you can't send your friends to it without seeing that. On 11/6/05, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To my mind linking or embedding is just another way of making content available to an audience other than the one which visits your own website ... thus...its redistribution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: What do you guys think about Blogtelevision.net
This is beyond creepy. They are using Google ads and banner ads to generate money from content they did not create. My CC specifically says non-commercial use. They are violating the terms of the CC and of the Creative Commons in general. They have made no effort to figure out the license type - they are just harvesting. They are attracting people to their site - a lot of it by using porn content mixed in with vloggers who have no idea their post is mixed in with that stuff. They are causing confusion because if someone wanted more of my or your content they can't find a direct link to me or any other vlogger, it is a partial link and unless you are an experienced web user you will not loccate the originator of the video. Not to mention they make little or no effort to screen content to keep humans under 13 from accessing the adult content and they have some copyrighted material that I feel sure the owners would have concerns about it being placed on the site. This is a violation of a federal (U.S.)law or two. Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: What do you guys think about Blogtelevision.net
I was just looking at the Reuters RSS feeds and I noticed they have an agreement for the use of RSS that is very similar to the issues we're talking about here: What are the terms of use? Reuters offers RSS as a free service to any individual user or non-profit organization subject to the following terms and conditions: # Use will be for non-commercial purposes. # Use is limited to platforms in which a functional link is made available allowing immediate display of the full article or video on the Reuters.com platform as specified in the xml. # Use is accompanied by proper attribution to Reuters as the source. By accessing our RSS service you are indicating your understanding and agreement that you will not use Reuters RSS in contravention of the above conditions. Reuters reserves the right to discontinue this service at any time and further reserves the right to request the immediate cessation of any specific use of its RSS service. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To my mind linking or embedding is just another way of making content available to an audience other than the one which visits your own website ... thus...its redistribution. As Steve points out, however, it usually the other aspects of the CC licence that are being ignored. The parts that require attribution or forbid the commerical use of that content. To my mind CC does absolutely cover linking and embedding ... and even if it doesn't then the content would have to fall back to a full copyright by default - otherwise there would be zero protection afforded any material on the web at all. These sites need to honor the requirements of the CC license or not link/embed/show the content at all ... because if they don't honor ALL of the CC license it's a copyright violation just as much as it would have been if the content were under a full copyright all the time. (and now to confuse the issue... but if they do meet the other requirements such as attribution and commercial use, etc ... they should be allowed to redistribute the content to their audience ... that's the whole point of the feed the content creator offered ... as long as they meet the license agreement - it's free exposure.) On 11/5/05, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Creative Commons licenses deal with far more than just redistribution of works. Linking is one thing, embedding is quite another. The content creator has the absolute right to deny people permission to embed the work files in their own websites etc. If you publically display the work, you need to check whether you have the rights to do so. Under most CC licenses you have the right to do so as long as it is not for profit, as long as you give proper attribution to the author, and as long as you make the terms of the license clear. There are websites that do none of those things. They clearly ignore the rights of the creator. I do not need a lawyer to spot some very clear violations, though there are grey areas too. There are some people who use CC licenses who dont follow the terms properly either and probably invalidate their own license before theyve even started. Syndicating content should not imply that the creator has given up any of their rights. Syndication does pose a technical issue in terms of sticking to the requirement to include the CC license or URI wherever the work is shown/with every copy of the work. The easiest way round it is if people include cc info in the video itself, because even though CC RSS feed thing exists, not enough aggregators etc make use of it. Maybe Im wrong, Im always ready to be persuaded otherwise, but if you read the full versions of any CC license it surely isnt as limited as you suggest? Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Lucas Gonze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/5/05, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its the attribution and no-commercial-use clauses in cc licenses that most leechy sites are technically falling foul of. None of these sites that I am aware of are doing redistribution, just linking or embedding, so the cc license doesn't apply. There are never licensing requirements for linking. Otherwise there would be no web. Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
[videoblogging] Re: What do you guys think about Blogtelevision.net
Yeah, and if you use a .mov file you can actually make that link clickable. The bulk of our viewers are using iTunes, I think, but many click through the link at the end of our vid and leave comments at our site. Has anyone sent these BlogTV people an e-mail (polite at first) prodding them in the right direction? I understand the what but not really the how of what they're doing. Waz www.crashtestkitchen.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why it's a good idea to have your url in you video somewhere? I put mine at the end. On 11/4/05, Lynn Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's my issue. They take my videos and place them on their site without giving any credit to the authors. They provide no links to the original content. Their original content link goes back to their own site. There is another link that is broken that I guess could take you to the author's site, but it doesn't. When you click on your video it takes you to a page that has your video as well as code to place the video on the viewers site if they so wish, only it doesn't link to the author's original site (where credit is given to the creator of said video) but to blogtelevision's page that has your video on it. It is a shady practice and wreaks of thievery in my opinion. Lynn Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures/SKILLZ DVD Magazine website: www.CoalRiverPictures.com http://www.CoalRiverPictures.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vlog: http://docmaker.blogspot.com feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/docmaker Coming Soon: www.Vlogumentarian.com http://www.Vlogumentarian.com www.VlogReporter.com http://www.VlogReporter.com AIVF/IDA Ring 8 Member NYC On Nov 4, 2005, at 4:49 PM, Lucas Gonze wrote: On 11/4/05, Lynn Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I notice that blogtelevision.net http://blogtelevision.net is taking all of the videos that I put up and placing them on their site. Are you under the impression that they're making copies, Lynn? These guys are about the same as the old i638 (or whatever they were) people, meaning unappetizing operators hanging around right smack on an ethical line, where they naturally dip over onto the wrong side. Given that they aren't doing much that a more ethical crew wouldn't also do, can you be precise about what the problem is, so that other videoblog aggregators can avoid making you feel badly treated? -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- SPONSORED LINKS Individualhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Usec=2s=25.sig=UJ-yxFxzo9-PCFxUxxcf1w Usehttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Usec=2s=25.sig=ma2LFc1J-uVSqDNb0ybSYA -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- ~Devlon Whatever the mind of man can conceive, it can achieve. ...W. Clement Stone http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://whiteguyforeignfoods.blogspot.com http://devlon.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: What do you guys think about Blogtelevision.net
Its the attribution and no-commercial-use clauses in cc licenses that most leechy sites are technically falling foul of. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With a CC license you are also (at least usually) allowing for redistribution. Maybe with a full copyright you could ... ah hell I dunno ... IANAL :-P Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: What do you guys think about Blogtelevision.net
did you try the 'remove your site' link? I'm getting some (what looks to be) unparsed PHP when I clicked on it... --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Lynn Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I notice that blogtelevision.net is taking all of the videos that I put up and placing them on their site. They don't give me credit or anything for my work. Do any of you have any feelings towards this site or that issue regarding the usage of your work. They also place a link to the video so that other people can put it on their site but they take the credit for it. Kind of irks me to tell the truth. Lynn Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures/SKILLZ DVD Magazine website: www.CoalRiverPictures.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vlog: http://docmaker.blogspot.com feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/docmaker Coming Soon: www.Vlogumentarian.com www.VlogReporter.com AIVF/IDA Ring 8 Member NYC Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: What do you guys think about Blogtelevision.net
I get a nice warm fuzzy felling from services like MeFeedia, BlipTV, and application-based aggrigators like FireAnt, and iTunes because they say the video is from (and link back to) DavidMeade.com. Some even (like MeFeedia) direct the viewer to my site should they want to leave comments. Yes.. I've always felt it was wrong to take comments away from the blog itself.. I'd rather actively point people to your blog, since that's where it all happens.. Peter -- http://mefeedia.com (new version next week!) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
