Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.
Well I certainly agree that people should be allowed to put whatever content they so choose on their web site, filtered or not. My issue is with this spreading conventional wisdom that seems to state that we all have some inherent, deep, and fundamental responsiblity to sanitize what we can and firewall what we can't in abject terror of the remote possibility that some small child might stumble upon it. Certainly if some private directory or archive chooses not to include pornographic material (or any other kind) that is their perogative. But this sense that if one chooses not to do so they are in some way morally inferior is itself repugnant to me. And again the question of whether or not it's wise to conduct said parental filtering of the world for children is a whole other topic of discussion. And a can of worms probably best unopened. While I would agree that showing a 4-year-old Full Metal Jacket is on the gratuitous side, I think you equally do a disservice to one's (older) children by trying to shield them too much. After all, this world is a horrible, mean, petty, shallow, and opportunistic place that will chew you up, shred you, and spit you back out again for round two if you let down your guard. It's all well and good that we try to create a haven in our home that's as sheltered from that cruel reality as we can. But raising a kid in a cocoon and then thrusting them out, helpless and unprepared, to be bled dry by the world once they graduate from school doesn't seem like such a wise choice. -mOn 12/2/05, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you on that. I have never tried to protect my daughter, beyond giving her what words of wisdom I could from a very early age. We had a discussion about this in this group back in March, and I wrote about my attitude/solutions back then: http://beginningwithi.com/tech/kidsonline.html However, there are those who do feel responsible for what is seen on their site (not least because they could face legal liabilities), that's their choice as much as it's yours to do nothing to filter. On 12/2/05, Michael Ridley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point is - it is not my responsibility to filter my site (or my life in general) in the event that some child might happen upon it. There's this concept called parental responsibility. It's a doctrine which puts forth the concept that if you are going to have children, then that's an active exercise which requires full participation for approximately 16 to 18 years. -- best regards,Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- -mhttp://www.secretelite.com/michael SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.
thanks... and yeah I agree - censoring is prob the wrong way to go. be more innovative and yes, proactive, and prob have better success.if its easy to find the content geared for children, then the chances of them browsing the directory and seeing adult content is greatly reduced, generally speaking. sullOn 12/2/05, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe the opposite approach would be logical? Instead of filtering the not for kids stuff, filter the kid friendly stuff. And include a warning on site stating that there may be adult content within, but check out our kid-friendly zone here You can then have categories/tags/sections of kid safe video content which could be many things and is up to the directory curators to decide how best to approach that. My point is, IF the concern for children resides in the sites owner and IF they care to put effort towards designating a section on the site geared for children education and entertainment etc, then this could take care of most of the aforementioned issues maybe ;-) great idea. very proactive.eric rice and ryanne made a kidsafe feed a while back for eric's kids.http://video.ericrice.com/videoblogs/ANTresearch.mov but i think the feed died out.see this is a great idea: a kidsafe directory.itll come as content grows.im not interested in censoring, but in organizing and educating.everything will exist. we can simply chose where. Jay--Adventures in VideobloggingURL: http://www.momentshowing.nethttp://feeds.feedburner.com/Momentshowing http://getFireAnt.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.
hmm.. and its sorta like a video rental store in that way ;)On 12/2/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:thanks... and yeah I agree - censoring is prob the wrong way to go. be more innovative and yes, proactive, and prob have better success. if its easy to find the content geared for children, then the chances of them browsing the directory and seeing adult content is greatly reduced, generally speaking. sullOn 12/2/05, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe the opposite approach would be logical? Instead of filtering the not for kids stuff, filter the kid friendly stuff. And include a warning on site stating that there may be adult content within, but check out our kid-friendly zone here You can then have categories/tags/sections of kid safe video content which could be many things and is up to the directory curators to decide how best to approach that. My point is, IF the concern for children resides in the sites owner and IF they care to put effort towards designating a section on the site geared for children education and entertainment etc, then this could take care of most of the aforementioned issues maybe ;-) great idea. very proactive.eric rice and ryanne made a kidsafe feed a while back for eric's kids. http://video.ericrice.com/videoblogs/ANTresearch.mov but i think the feed died out.see this is a great idea: a kidsafe directory.itll come as content grows.im not interested in censoring, but in organizing and educating.everything will exist. we can simply chose where. Jay--Adventures in VideobloggingURL: http://www.momentshowing.net http://feeds.feedburner.com/Momentshowing http://getFireAnt.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.
Jay dedman wrote: Maybe the opposite approach would be logical? Instead of filtering the not for kids stuff, filter the kid friendly stuff. And include a warning on site stating that there may be adult content within, but check out our kid-friendly zone here You can then have categories/tags/sections of kid safe video content which could be many things and is up to the directory curators to decide how best to approach that. My point is, IF the concern for children resides in the sites owner and IF they care to put effort towards designating a section on the site geared for children education and entertainment etc, then this could take care of most of the aforementioned issues maybe ;-) great idea. very proactive. eric rice and ryanne made a kidsafe feed a while back for eric's kids. http://video.ericrice.com/videoblogs/ANTresearch.mov but i think the feed died out. see this is a great idea: a kidsafe directory. itll come as content grows. im not interested in censoring, but in organizing and educating. everything will exist. we can simply chose where. Well, we already have yahooligans.yahoo.com, what about kids.mefeedia.com? :) It would be cool to be able to point kids to a videoblogging directory and let them explore what's there. Sometimes the most creative stuff comes from kids and the way they look at the world. You know, before the reality of it all crushes their spirit and makes them just another cog in the corporate machine that is today's society. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I258zB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.
Of course it will. In the same way that the kids section of Blockbuster interests parents. There seems to be this view in our culture lately that kids are like little grownups and they just go and do whatever they want and so society has to protect them. That perspective is...not even wrong..it's just non-sensical. Parents make the rules. Parents enforce the limits. If there is a kids section of a web site, then presumably that's what the parents would sit down and look at with their children. Just like parents will steer their children to the kids section of the video store. It's not like parents just let their young children loose out in the world and let them wander around XXX movie theatres all day long. Perhaps some parents DO do that, but that's not my problem - that's their problem for being bad parents. And I'm pretty sure that if you have a 4 year old wandering around the red light district trying to get into peep shows, having a law requiring the establishment to card them and not let them in is probably not going to put that kid back on the right path and keep them from car jacking me in 10 years. They're probably well on that path already due to very poor parenting. -mOn 12/2/05, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay dedman wrote: Maybe the opposite approach would be logical? Instead of filtering the not for kids stuff, filter the kid friendly stuff. And include a warning on site stating that there may be adult content within, but check out our kid-friendly zone here You can then have categories/tags/sections of kid safe video content which could be many things and is up to the directory curators to decide how best to approach that. My point is, IF the concern for children resides in the sites owner and IF they care to put effort towards designating a section on the site geared for children education and entertainment etc, then this could take care of most of the aforementioned issues maybe ;-) great idea. very proactive. eric rice and ryanne made a kidsafe feed a while back for eric's kids. http://video.ericrice.com/videoblogs/ANTresearch.mov but i think the feed died out. see this is a great idea: a kidsafe directory. itll come as content grows. im not interested in censoring, but in organizing and educating. everything will exist. we can simply chose where. Well, we already have yahooligans.yahoo.com, what about kids.mefeedia.com? :) It would be cool to be able to point kids to a videoblogging directory and let them explore what's there. Sometimes the most creative stuff comes from kids and the way they look at the world. You know, before the reality of it all crushes their spirit and makes them just another cog in the corporate machine that is today's society. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... I remember when I was a kid I didn't want to read books for children but those adults thought were important. I think I kids section will interest parents mostly. -- Enric SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- -mhttp://www.secretelite.com/michael YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.
the kid can also google porn and BOOYA!!of course some kids may be a little too curious too soon...but we should discuss the issue broadly and generalize, knowing that their are always exceptions.no solution will ever be perfect. On 12/2/05, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay dedman wrote: Maybe the opposite approach would be logical? Instead of filtering the not for kids stuff, filter the kidfriendly stuff. And include a warning on site stating that there may be adultcontent within, but check out our kid-friendly zone here You can then have categories/tags/sections of kid safe videocontent which could be many things and is up to the directory curatorsto decide how best to approach that. My point is, IF the concern for children resides in the sites owner and IF they care to put effort towards designating a section onthe site geared for children education and entertainment etc, thenthis could take care of most of the aforementioned issues maybe ;-) great idea. very proactive. eric rice and ryanne made a kidsafe feed a while back for eric's kids. http://video.ericrice.com/videoblogs/ANTresearch.mov but i think the feed died out. see this is a great idea: a kidsafe directory. itll come as content grows. im not interested in censoring, but in organizing and educating. everything will exist. we can simply chose where. Well, we already have yahooligans.yahoo.com, what about kids.mefeedia.com? :) It would be cool to be able to point kids to a videoblogging directory and let them explore what's there. Sometimes the most creative stuff comes from kids and the way they look at the world. You know, before the reality of it all crushes their spirit and makes them just another cog in the corporate machine that is today's society. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future...I remember when I was a kid I didn't want to read books for childrenbut those adults thought were important.I think I kids section will interest parents mostly.-- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I258zB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.
Not that this thread hasn't run it's course, but I do like one suggestion that was made, and I sincerely hope that Peter takes it into serious consideration. The suggestion was to "safe filter" by default, much the way Google does for image searches. Considering how "public" (both figuratively and financially) Google is, I feel they devised a very good solution; the filter is easy enough to disable should you desire to.My 2¢.- joshpaulOn Dec 2, 2005, at 9:17 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: the kid can also google porn and BOOYA!!of course some kids may be a little too curious too soon...but we should discuss the issue broadly and generalize, knowing that their are always exceptions.no solution will ever be perfect. On 12/2/05, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay dedman wrote: Maybe the opposite approach would be logical? Instead of filtering the "not for kids" stuff, filter the "kidfriendly" stuff. And include a warning on site stating that "there may be adultcontent within, but check out our kid-friendly zone here" You can then have categories/tags/sections of kid safe videocontent which could be many things and is up to the directory curatorsto decide how best to approach that. My point is, IF the concern for children resides in the sites owner and IF they care to put effort towards designating a section onthe site geared for children education and entertainment etc, thenthis could take care of most of the aforementioned issues maybe ;-) great idea. very proactive. eric rice and ryanne made a kidsafe feed a while back for eric's kids. http://video.ericrice.com/videoblogs/ANTresearch.mov but i think the feed died out. see this is a great idea: a kidsafe directory. itll come as content grows. im not interested in censoring, but in organizing and educating. everything will exist. we can simply chose where. Well, we already have yahooligans.yahoo.com, what about kids.mefeedia.com? :) It would be cool to be able to point kids to a videoblogging directory and let them explore what's there. Sometimes the most creative stuff comes from kids and the way they look at the world. You know, before the reality of it all crushes their spirit and makes them just another cog in the corporate machine that is today's society. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future...I remember when I was a kid I didn't want to read books for childrenbut those adults thought were important. I think I kids section will interest parents mostly. -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I258zB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -"The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.
For me it's the thin edge of the wedge, and I think folks are focusing more on oh no! it's porn! -- where's the line drawn? How long until there's spvlogs, etc. Having a system in place to filter down -- not out -- things that negatively impact the community and tools aren't a bad thing, imho. Michael Sullivan wrote: the kid can also google porn and BOOYA!! of course some kids may be a little too curious too soon... but we should discuss the issue broadly and generalize, knowing that their are always exceptions. no solution will ever be perfect. On 12/2/05, *Enric* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay dedman wrote: Maybe the opposite approach would be logical? Instead of filtering the not for kids stuff, filter the kid friendly stuff. And include a warning on site stating that there may be adult content within, but check out our kid-friendly zone here You can then have categories/tags/sections of kid safe video content which could be many things and is up to the directory curators to decide how best to approach that. My point is, IF the concern for children resides in the sites owner and IF they care to put effort towards designating a section on the site geared for children education and entertainment etc, then this could take care of most of the aforementioned issues maybe ;-) great idea. very proactive. eric rice and ryanne made a kidsafe feed a while back for eric's kids. http://video.ericrice.com/videoblogs/ANTresearch.mov but i think the feed died out. see this is a great idea: a kidsafe directory. itll come as content grows. im not interested in censoring, but in organizing and educating. everything will exist. we can simply chose where. Well, we already have yahooligans.yahoo.com http://yahooligans.yahoo.com, what about kids.mefeedia.com http://kids.mefeedia.com? :) It would be cool to be able to point kids to a videoblogging directory and let them explore what's there. Sometimes the most creative stuff comes from kids and the way they look at the world. You know, before the reality of it all crushes their spirit and makes them just another cog in the corporate machine that is today's society. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... I remember when I was a kid I didn't want to read books for children but those adults thought were important. I think I kids section will interest parents mostly. -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=H15DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA Typepad http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Typepadw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=bK2vbSrJUIzcRadddW7krQ Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=RO46LszR1YSPWsK2mib1pA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I258zB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.
sorry all this underneath rant was basically aimed at comments during the day, it bares nothing to the thread attached.On 2 Dec 2005, at 19:34, Paul Knight wrote: Hi randy and enric,Although I understand that both of you have probably non-issues with pornography, check out this please before you pass any judgement. What we have here is an adult site offering for free, not only 3 minute clips, but on some occations 30 minute clips of hardcore and specialised pornography, graphically showing the actors indulging in Bukaki, anal sex, bondage and fetish acts, which is as far away from the normal sexual act as you might expect to find on your top shelves, or even typing in "porn" in google, with or without the safety tabs on.My problem is this, it's free, and aimed at ipods, not computers. Yes the site is office friendly, because you must download it; none of these films are streaming, yet. I am neither a moralist or any kind of activist, but it's the kids who download this, pop it onto there ipods or psps or irivers, take them then into school and show this stuff around as they do, 'cos it's cool. Then getting their ipods confiscated and then the where did you get this stuff from? questions start to appear.paulOn 2 Dec 2005, at 18:24, Enric wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What format should you use to download if you do want to remix and post in a vlog??? They are vintage sad ravings. Randolfe (Randy) WickerVideographer, Writer, Activist Advisor: The Immortality Institute Hoboken, NJ http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/ 201-656-3280 I'd download in the high qualty MPG4 and output in 3ivx quick start. -- Enric - Original Message - From: Markus Sandy To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on. right on! As to why? Perhaps the answers lie inside films like these classics from the internet archive: http://www.archive.org/details/Perversi1965 http://www.archive.org/details/Perversi1965_2 http://www.archive.org/details/parent_to_child_about_sex With a little re-mixing, they can become pretty interesting: http://www.archive.org/details/come_join_the_fun2004 markus Rishey wrote: Do you ask yourself why it is that you think people shouldn't see porn? Some of you make mention of 'self policing' the community? Do you realize what that sentence means? Don't we have enough policing? What is going to happen if you accidentally see a penis or a vagina? NOTHING. THese are distractions. THis is life. ANd to be wrapped up in the issue of what is decent and what is not is to be part of the problem. Hello- In a few decades the land your standing on could be underwater. Our world is at war based on complete deception and implemented by torture. Who the fuck cares if you see a goddamned dick? There are plenty of Owellian directories such as itunes which will remove such material. Itunes recently removed my insanefilms.com from their directory with no explanation. No censorship. If you are afraid to see penises, then subscribe to Rocketboom and watch nothing else. If you're talking about SPAM, however, that is another matter entirely. Richard Bluestein podshow.com -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo!
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.
Something that is never mentioned in all this talk about "kids and adult content" is that if they are "too young", they won't find it interesting. If they find it interesting, they are probably old enough to be viewing it. That was what was really wacky about that JPEG with two kids barely old enough to walk and talk supposedly saying what their email (porno) content was. They weren't old enough to go on a computer. If they were on a computer, they wouldn't know what the words meant. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Michael Ridley To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on. Perhaps. I'd argue that that decision is up to their parents. I firstgot online in 1992 or so, and I guess I would have been about 12 or 13at the time. My parents didn't choose to be involved in what I was orwas not looking at, content-wise. Granted you could say that in 1992there wasn't much general awareness of the "dangers" of being online,but my dad was savvy enough to know what was up..he just didn't feelthe need to make an issue of it, because he felt I had the commonsense to make appropriate choices.But who knows, for some other parents, sure maybe they want to filterthat out. But the point is, the onus is on the consumer (parent) noton the content provider. As the saying goes, if you don't like it,don't watch it.-mOn 12/2/05, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Ridley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK well now this is my pet peeve. I want everyone to shut the fuck up about kids. It is not the mission of the world to protect all children from anything that might be dangerous at any time in any place. Now the whole subject of what is or isn't appropriate for kids to see is a huge can of worms that I am going to complete ignore because it's beside the point. The point is - it is not my responsibility to filter my site (or my life in general) in the event that some child might happen upon it. There's this concept called parental responsibility. It's a doctrine which puts forth the concept that if you are going to have children, then that's an active exercise which requires full participation for approximately 16 to 18 years. If you are so concerned about what material of an objectionable nature your kids may see, then set limits and don't let them see those things. Sort of like how you might not let them wander around the red light district of Amsterdam on their own at 4 AM. Same concept. The correct solution here is for parents to step up and make rules and set limits, not to have some arbitrarily large net of responsibility that ensares and inhibits the rights of all adults everywhere. I will not be subjugated by the delicate and impressionable nature of 4 year olds. That's a non-starter for me. -m So people under the age of eighteen should be kept by adults from sites like mefeedia? -- Enric On 12/2/05, Bill Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes it is part of life... but much of this discussion is related to kids encountering this stuff. I like to use this illustration in that regard. http://www.missionarypositionsmovie.com/kiddyspam.jpg People find it irresponsible to create a picture like this, but then support "who the @[EMAIL PROTECTED] cares if we see a dick" type of attitude. Ironic. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Rishey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you ask yourself why it is that you think people shouldn't see porn? Some of you makemention of 'self policing' the community? Do you realize what that sentence means? Don'twe have enough policing? What is going to happen if you accidentally see a penis or a vagina? NOTHING. THese aredistractions. THis is life. ANd to be wrapped up in the issue of what is decent and what isnot is to be part of the problem. Hello- In a few decades the land your standing on could be underwater. Our world is at war based on complete deception and implemented by torture. Who the fuck cares if yousee a goddamned dick? There are plenty of Owellian directories such as itunes which willremove such material. Itunes recently removed my insanefilms.com from their directorywith no explanation. No censorship. If you are afraid to see penises, then subscribe to Rocketboom and watchnothing else. If you're t
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.
as an outsider, I read through all these responses. The back and forth is hilarious! Ah- controversy is such the life spice. I agree with whomever said- who the fuck cares if ANYONE sees someone's pee-pee. That's the least of the disturbing things that exist on the internet and the outside world for which it is a mirror. I'd be more upset if my kid saw someone get shot on the TV. Death is worse than sex. Censorship is worse than sex. Pee-pees good--- killing, manipulating, discriminating bad. www.hidingfromsociety.com xox, Amy from OhioOn 12/2/05, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something that is never mentioned in all this talk about kids and adult content is that if they are too young, they won't find it interesting. If they find it interesting, they are probably old enough to be viewing it. That was what was really wacky about that JPEG with two kids barely old enough to walk and talk supposedly saying what their email (porno) content was. They weren't old enough to go on a computer. If they were on a computer, they wouldn't know what the words meant. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Michael Ridley To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on. Perhaps. I'd argue that that decision is up to their parents. I firstgot online in 1992 or so, and I guess I would have been about 12 or 13at the time. My parents didn't choose to be involved in what I was orwas not looking at, content-wise. Granted you could say that in 1992there wasn't much general awareness of the dangers of being online,but my dad was savvy enough to know what was up..he just didn't feelthe need to make an issue of it, because he felt I had the commonsense to make appropriate choices.But who knows, for some other parents, sure maybe they want to filterthat out. But the point is, the onus is on the consumer (parent) noton the content provider. As the saying goes, if you don't like it,don't watch it.-mOn 12/2/05, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Ridley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK well now this is my pet peeve. I want everyone to shut the fuck up about kids. It is not the mission of the world to protect all children from anything that might be dangerous at any time in any place. Now the whole subject of what is or isn't appropriate for kids to see is a huge can of worms that I am going to complete ignore because it's beside the point. The point is - it is not my responsibility to filter my site (or my life in general) in the event that some child might happen upon it. There's this concept called parental responsibility. It's a doctrine which puts forth the concept that if you are going to have children, then that's an active exercise which requires full participation for approximately 16 to 18 years. If you are so concerned about what material of an objectionable nature your kids may see, then set limits and don't let them see those things. Sort of like how you might not let them wander around the red light district of Amsterdam on their own at 4 AM. Same concept. The correct solution here is for parents to step up and make rules and set limits, not to have some arbitrarily large net of responsibility that ensares and inhibits the rights of all adults everywhere. I will not be subjugated by the delicate and impressionable nature of 4 year olds. That's a non-starter for me. -m So people under the age of eighteen should be kept by adults from sites like mefeedia? -- Enric On 12/2/05, Bill Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes it is part of life... but much of this discussion is related to kids encountering this stuff. I like to use this illustration in that regard. http://www.missionarypositionsmovie.com/kiddyspam.jpg People find it irresponsible to create a picture like this, but then support who the @[EMAIL PROTECTED] cares if we see a dick type of attitude. Ironic. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rishey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you ask yourself why it is that you think people shouldn't see porn? Some of you makemention of 'self policing' the community? Do you realize what that sentence means? Don'twe have enough policing? What is going to happen if you accidentally see a penis or a vagina? NOTHING. THese aredistractions. THis is life. ANd to be wrapped up in the issue of what is decent and what isnot is to be part of the problem. Hello- In a few
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.
Thanks Enric.I think Josh Leo had a vlog entitled "Don't Let This Happen to You" a couple days ago which used old films against the consumption of alcohol to great effect. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Enric To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:24 PM Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED]...wrote: What format should you use to download if you do want to remix andpost in a vlog??? They are vintage sad ravings. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, Activist Advisor: The Immortality Institute Hoboken, NJ http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/ 201-656-3280I'd download in the high qualty MPG4 and output in 3ivx quick start. -- Enric - Original Message - From: Markus Sandy To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's reallife going on. right on! As to why? Perhaps the answers lie inside films like these classics from the internet archive: http://www.archive.org/details/Perversi1965 http://www.archive.org/details/Perversi1965_2 http://www.archive.org/details/parent_to_child_about_sex With a little re-mixing, they can become pretty interesting: http://www.archive.org/details/come_join_the_fun2004 markus Rishey wrote: Do you ask yourself why it is that you think people shouldn't seeporn? Some of you make mention of 'self policing' the community? Do you realize whatthat sentence means? Don't we have enough policing? What is going to happen if you accidentally see a penis or avagina? NOTHING. THese are distractions. THis is life. ANd to be wrapped up in the issue ofwhat is decent and what is not is to be part of the problem. Hello- In a few decades the land your standing on could beunderwater. Our world is at war based on complete deception and implemented by torture. Whothe fuck cares if you see a goddamned dick? There are plenty of Owellian directoriessuch as itunes which will remove such material. Itunes recently removed my insanefilms.comfrom their directory with no explanation. No censorship. If you are afraid to see penises, then subscribeto Rocketboom and watch nothing else. If you're talking about SPAM, however, that is another matterentirely. Richard Bluestein podshow.com -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms ofService. -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.
I watched the movie on Blip TV two days ago. I even left feedback telling the guy that if he really thought God had spoken to him about porn, he probably needed psychiatric help. There was another similar vlog on with a misleading title that featured an ex-striper who was out evangelizing working girls and trying to get them to come to church. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Bill Day To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:45 PM Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on. Randolfe, why are you so intolerant? You have not seen the movie yet you judge it is sour puss evangelism VH-1 watched the movie and they thought it was funny enough to order a pilot for a reality series. check out the movie site http://www.missionarypositionsmovie.com and tell me what is sour puss about it? Here is the rottentomatoes review (which uses the word "hilarious.") http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-10005116/reviews.php?critic=allsortby=defaultpage=1rid=1371399I think you are mixing up the non-christian filmmaker with christians who appear in the film. The Jpeg of the kids reading porn spam does make a point. I just think your fear of getting christians cooties is clouding your judgement. Bill Dayhttp://mebillday.blogspot.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That JPEG picture used by Bill Day to make a point was actually the cover picture for a Christian Evangelical group whose leader said God spoke to him and spoke of "porn". It was a sham. I thought it was an attempt at off-color humor when I first saw it. And, yes, it was too interesting not to explore. What a disappointment to find a sour-puss Evangelical instead of tasteless sick comic in the video. And for that matter, the photo could hardly be called pornographic, it was the wording and when you start censoring words you really are getting into censorship. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, Activist Advisor: The Immortality Institute Hoboken, NJ http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/ 201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Bill Day To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:48 AM Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on. yes it is part of life... but much of this discussion is related to kids encountering this stuff. I like to use this illustration in that regard. http://www.missionarypositionsmovie.com/kiddyspam.jpg People find it irresponsible to create a picture like this, but then support "who the @[EMAIL PROTECTED] cares if we see a dick" type of attitude. Ironic. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Rishey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you ask yourself why it is that you think people shouldn't see porn? Some of you make mention of 'self policing' the community? Do you realize what that sentence means? Don't we have enough policing?What is going to happen if you accidentally see a penis or a vagina? NOTHING. THese are distractions. THis is life. ANd to be wrapped up in the issue of what is decent and what is not is to be part of the problem. Hello- In a few decades the land your standing on could be underwater. Our world is at war based on complete deception and implemented by torture. Who the fuck cares if you see a goddamned dick? There are plenty of Owellian directories such as itunes which will remove such material. Itunes recently removed my insanefilms.com from their directory with no explanation. No censorship. If you are afraid to see penises, then subscribe to Rocketboom and watch nothing else. If you're talking about SPAM, however, that is another matter entirely. Richard Bluestein podshow.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.
It was published by Jennifer. However, she uses footage from a Josh Leo video with him sucking on a flask as the audio is talking about someone becoming hopelessly "addicted" to alcohol. It was a remix/collaboration vlog. When you watch 50 a day, you can't keep all the details straight in your head. No slight meant to Jennifer or anyone else. I think the Yahoo vlog search included one (possibly only one) of your videos. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Markus Sandy To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on. No, that was Jennifer Rundle - get a clue Randy!http://www.blip.tv/file/5629Randolfe Wicker wrote: Thanks Enric.I think Josh Leo had a vlog entitled "Don't Let This Happen to You" a couple days ago which used old films against the consumption of alcohol to great effect. -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
