Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for
you're right, it doesnt. but you also know for some weeks now that I have been working on efforts to add filter features. your response here is off-topic, as I was just pointing out the numerical vlog names appear on vlogdir, where the gripe was that they do not, generally. appear in directories. so anyways, many of us understand the need for filtering... its not a new topic. everyone is working on various approaches to this. if you want to make a vlogdigest site, terrific, please do so. what are you waiting for? ;-) sullOn 11/26/05, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, I like the work you are doing but I haven't found Vlogdir really fulfills the need I am talking about. It could but it doesn't--at least at this time. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Michael Sullivan To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for actually, on vlogdir, characters and numericals show up first when browsing the directory there is a menu item on right of main page browse directory. 24x7 is the 5th one listed =)sull On 11/26/05, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh. If you have a name that begins with a numeric (i.e., 29 fragiledays or 24x7), some of the directories don't have links.For example, mefeedia put links for A through Z but no 0-9. Go figure.Guess we'll have to wait until someone figures out we exist and creates a more accurate directory, until then...cheersr--URL: http://r.24x7.com Deconstructing the status quo, collaborativelyOn Nov 26, 2005, at 3:15 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote: On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 03:03:40 +0100, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think vlogging can be greatly impacted through directories.That is why we as a community should work to set up an open directory that will become the accepted norm.Otherwise, others will set up slanted and manipulated and even closed directories. vlogdir.com mefeedia.com and soon a fireant directory. Knock yourself out with them. :o) - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home pagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 03:03:40 +0100, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think vlogging can be greatly impacted through directories. That is why we as a community should work to set up an open directory that will become the accepted norm. Otherwise, others will set up slanted and manipulated and even closed directories. vlogdir.com mefeedia.com and soon a fireant directory. Knock yourself out with them. :o) - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for
Heh. If you have a name that begins with a numeric (i.e., 29 fragile days or 24x7), some of the directories don't have links. For example, mefeedia put links for A through Z but no 0-9. Go figure. Guess we'll have to wait until someone figures out we exist and creates a more accurate directory, until then... cheers r -- URL: http://r.24x7.com Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively On Nov 26, 2005, at 3:15 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote: On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 03:03:40 +0100, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think vlogging can be greatly impacted through directories. That is why we as a community should work to set up an open directory that will become the accepted norm. Otherwise, others will set up slanted and manipulated and even closed directories. vlogdir.com mefeedia.com and soon a fireant directory. Knock yourself out with them. :o) - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for
actually, on vlogdir, characters and numericals show up first when browsing the directory there is a menu item on right of main page browse directory. 24x7 is the 5th one listed =)sull On 11/26/05, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh. If you have a name that begins with a numeric (i.e., 29 fragiledays or 24x7), some of the directories don't have links.For example, mefeedia put links for A through Z but no 0-9. Go figure.Guess we'll have to wait until someone figures out we exist and creates a more accurate directory, until then...cheersr--URL: http://r.24x7.com Deconstructing the status quo, collaborativelyOn Nov 26, 2005, at 3:15 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote: On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 03:03:40 +0100, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think vlogging can be greatly impacted through directories.That is why we as a community should work to set up an open directory that will become the accepted norm.Otherwise, others will set up slanted and manipulated and even closed directories. vlogdir.com mefeedia.com and soon a fireant directory. Knock yourself out with them. :o) - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for
It would be fabulous if you could review and rate a vlog after viewing it like they do for book on Amazon. You get totals like 3 1/2 stars based on twelve reviews. It's not just the combined total of stars. By reading the reviews you might find that some people gave five-star ratings because of some aspect while others gave one-star reviews for another reason. Your own preferences might lie more with either group but you are able to make a judgment about buying a book. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Brad Webb To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for Nevermind the fact that this is an easy path to an exclusionary "clique" of "accepted goodness." Plus, the secondary part of Randy's point -- that having an open, "accepted" directory would prevent other "closed" ones -- just won't happen. If anything, I think the folks working towards building/tweaking directories should put their heads together to open up ratings, comments, tags, feeds, etc etc.*Nudge nudge* =)andrew michael baron wrote: On Nov 25, 2005, at 9:03 PM, Randolfe Wicker wrote: That is why we as a community should work to set up an "open directory" that will become the accepted norm. There should not be just one. In the long run there never will be. SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=H15DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA Typepad http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Typepadw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=bK2vbSrJUIzcRadddW7krQ Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=RO46LszR1YSPWsK2mib1pA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging" on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technologyhttp://vslabs.vsocial.com/vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC51 W. Third Street, #301Tempe, AZ 85281(602) 885-2295 - Mobile(480) 967-9575 - Fax YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for
Michael, I like the work you are doing but I haven't found Vlogdir really fulfills the need I am talking about. It could but it doesn't--at least at this time. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Michael Sullivan To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for actually, on vlogdir, characters and numericals show up first when browsing the directory there is a menu item on right of main page "browse directory". 24x7 is the 5th one listed =)sull On 11/26/05, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh. If you have a name that begins with a numeric (i.e., 29 fragiledays or 24x7), some of the directories don't have links.For example, mefeedia put links for A through Z but no 0-9. Go figure.Guess we'll have to wait until someone figures out we exist and creates a more accurate directory, until then...cheersr--URL: http://r.24x7.com Deconstructing the status quo, collaborativelyOn Nov 26, 2005, at 3:15 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote: On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 03:03:40 +0100, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think vlogging can be greatly impacted through directories.That is why we as a community should work to set up an "open directory" that will become the accepted norm.Otherwise, others will set up slanted and manipulated and even "closed" directories. vlogdir.com mefeedia.com and soon a fireant directory. Knock yourself out with them. :o) - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home pagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -"The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for
You are wrong!!! See my next post about hidden diamonds. Did you see them before?? NO!!! Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Deirdre Straughan To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for On 11/26/05, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still looking for something better than random searching to find good stuff. We need a filter, reviewers, trusted guides--not judges and lawmakers.That's already happening via the search engines, as well as specialized directories. The most popular (linked to) will rise to the top via the various search engine algorithms, while directories will have their own ratings etc. systems. It'll be exactly the same chaos we have with every other kind of web object. Your trusted guides may not be my trusted guides, etc.-- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for
I actually find I just log on to Blip TV and watch their stuff instead., It might be random but you find great stuff there. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, Activist Advisor: The Immortality Institute Hoboken, NJ http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/ 201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 03:03:40 +0100, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think vlogging can be greatly impacted through directories. That is why we as a community should work to set up an open directory that will become the accepted norm. Otherwise, others will set up slanted and manipulated and even closed directories. vlogdir.com mefeedia.com and soon a fireant directory. Knock yourself out with them. :o) - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On 11/26/05, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are wrong!!! See my next post about hidden diamonds. Did you see them before?? NO!!! All my work over the past few years has been under the same assumptions as Deirdre has, and so far this has gone fine. The only problem I face is people who believe that direct linking is bad. - Original Message - From: Deirdre Straughan That's already happening via the search engines, as well as specialized directories. The most popular (linked to) will rise to the top via the various search engine algorithms, while directories will have their own ratings etc. systems. It'll be exactly the same chaos we have with every other kind of web object. Your trusted guides may not be my trusted guides, etc. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for
An experimental art piece: http://tagami.com/2005/11/26/november-in-berkeley/ Please let me know what you think about it @ http://tagami.com The object is called Rotante Dal Foro Centrale. The music is from the Campaile just after 2 bells. -- Ted Tagamitagami.comU N I V E R S U S SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for
1) I agree with Andrew that video blogging is somehow intrinsically different than audio podcasting. By it's nature it's more personal, MUCH more personal, and that's being reflected in how it's used by tighter communities. The same thing that makes video blogging more personal (the visual elements, face, _expression_, body language, etc.) also make it more powerful than audio. That said it oddly also has the same range as podcasting for commercial use too. So what we have... since this is the first time the boundaries of media have significantly dropped since home movies is this bizarre mix of very personal communications (emphasis on "communications") and the other world of commercial oriented media, such as entertainment, news, etc. To put it frankly the mix wigs some people out. And what's more I'm very pleased that Andrew demonstrates his understanding of this dual personal communications vs. commercial nature because some lampoon him for not understanding it because of rocketboom's commercial nature. I think Andrew clearly understands there's a dual nature of this medium. You have to remember that when rocket boom was started there were very, very few blogs... what a dozen or two dozen. It was an experiment and I think a very successful one at that. But andrew took a look at the board... threw a dart and hoped it hit it's mark, considering we didn't know how this space would shape up. And, now that iTunes is out that space is clearly starting to fill in around rocketboom. I noticed G4 Tech TV has a video podcast now. Also Current TV. And did I see something about CBS? Personal vloggers should not feel threatened though, because fore every commercial application there are an order of magnitude more non-commercial applications. In short for every commercial vlog they'll be 5, 10, 20 even 50 more non-commercial vlogs.2) Oh, so yeah, I was shocked to wake up and realize that video blogging (aka. video podcasting as apple has let it be known) does have perhaps even more potential to be utilized by business than audio podcasting. I find in my personal experience small, mid and even large scale businesses have more of a desire to have their own "tv-like" medium than they do radio, ahem, I mean audio podcasting. Perhaps it's vanity, perhaps it's just some innate understanding of the power of a visual media, only time will tell. There are after all more costs associated with video blogging that will slow down adoption.So, in that I disagree with Andrew, video blogging is at least just as quickly to be utilized for commercial purposes. But let's not split hares over the issue. 3) Now as for it's image co-opted... I don't think anyone can for any sustained period co-opt the image of either audio podcasting or video podcasting. Not even apple, not even with the name podcasting, not even with the iPod being the most successful personal product ever, which I'm not sure it is, yet anyway. Is apple really trying to grab some legal entitlement to the term podcasting!? Ultimately I think in 5-10 years the iPod will be a cherished memory like the Walkman, but ultimately podcasting will live on and have co-opted the iPod. Sorry Apple. Well... I guess the name podcasting may morph into IPRadio or something generic and benign. Maybe we'll even have a acronym, IPR, or maybe it'll break down into a variety of forms with which we'll commonly refer to it, like TV turned into Cable, Satellite and Network TV. "I was listening to the Muggle Cast on IPR and heard that Harry Potter 15 is coming out this week!" :) LOL4) Finally, I do dislike that apple has put a head on this long tail medium. Especially one that is closed, top-down, editorial driven, and as proprietary as it is. However it is part of the growing process, not an end of it. We're still in the very early adopter stage. Ultimately I think it'll fail to fairly reflect the growing beast that is audio and video podcasting. Apple has always had this knack at nailing early adopter markets... the problem is they never have gotten a knack for scaling well and the market eventually catches up with apple and sucks it back up as did Microsoft and the personal computer... oh, and linux. Let's not forget linux, because in this metaphor most video bloggers are more like linux and Apple has merely aligned itself to us by putting a BSD core of open media in it's operations. Sorry to those who didn't follow, I just geeked out. The point is I can't see anything but Apple's podcast directory slowly loosing the % of market-share until it's some miniscule part of market. The tail will swallow the head and with it will comes dozens of Ebays, Amazons, Googles, and such of media and intellectual property and podcasting. They'll swallow Apple because it's pretty little system is to rigid, to closed, to proprietary and to unscalable... Meanwhile these new services several of which are probably already out there while grow and prosper because they'll be more open, flexible and
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Well, that's all I've got to say about that. :)took the words right out of my mouth :) ah, that was easy.note to members of this mail list: pay attention to the words mike meiser transmits. he takes the time to intricately discuss broad perspectives of the open media culture. that, my friends, is value! thanks, mike a great series of messages from you have been refreshing and much needed here on the list.sullOn 11/25/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1)I agree with Andrew that video blogging is somehow intrinsically different than audio podcasting. By it's nature it's more personal, MUCH more personal, and that's being reflected in how it's used by tighter communities. The same thing that makes video blogging more personal (the visual elements, face, _expression_, body language, etc.) also make it more powerful than audio. That said it oddly also has the same range as podcasting for commercial use too. So what we have... since this is the first time theboundaries of media have significantly dropped since home movies is thisbizarre mix of very personal communications (emphasis on communications) and the other world of commercial oriented media, such as entertainment, news, etc. To put it frankly the mix wigs some people out. And what's more I'm very pleased that Andrew demonstrates his understanding of this dual personal communications vs. commercial nature because some lampoon him for not understanding it because of rocketboom's commercial nature. I think Andrew clearly understands there's a dual nature of this medium. You have to remember that when rocket boom was started there were very, very few blogs... what a dozen or two dozen. It was an experiment and I think a very successful one at that. But andrew took a look at the board... threw a dart and hoped it hit it's mark, considering we didn't know how this space would shape up. And, now that iTunes is out that space is clearly starting to fill in around rocketboom. I noticed G4 Tech TV has a video podcast now. Also Current TV. And did I see something about CBS? Personal vloggers should not feel threatened though, because fore every commercial application there are an order of magnitude more non-commercial applications. In short for every commercial vlog they'll be 5, 10, 20 even 50 more non-commercial vlogs. 2) Oh, so yeah, I was shocked to wake up and realize that video blogging (aka. video podcasting as apple has let it be known) does have perhaps even more potential to be utilized by business than audio podcasting. I find in my personal experience small, mid and even large scale businesses have more of a desire to have their own tv-like medium than they do radio, ahem, I mean audio podcasting. Perhaps it's vanity, perhaps it's just someinnate understanding of the power of a visual media, only time will tell. There are after all more costs associated with video blogging that will slow down adoption. So, in that I disagree with Andrew, video blogging is at least just as quickly to be utilized for commercial purposes. But let's not split hares over the issue.3) Now as for it's image co-opted... I don't think anyone can for any sustained period co-opt the image of either audio podcasting or video podcasting. Not even apple, not even with the name podcasting, not even with the iPod being the most successful personal product ever, which I'm not sure it is, yet anyway. Is apple really trying to grab some legal entitlement to the term podcasting!?Ultimately I think in 5-10 years the iPod will be a cherished memory like the Walkman, but ultimately podcasting will live on and have co-opted the iPod. Sorry Apple. Well... I guess the name podcasting may morph into IPRadio or something generic and benign. Maybe we'll even have a acronym, IPR, or maybe it'll break down into a variety of forms with which we'll commonly refer to it, like TV turned into Cable, Satellite and Network TV. I was listening to the Muggle Cast on IPR and heard that Harry Potter 15 is coming out this week! :) LOL 4) Finally, I do dislike that apple has put a head on this long tail medium. Especially one that is closed, top-down, editorial driven, and as proprietary as it is. However it is part of the growing process, not an end of it. We're still in the very early adopter stage. Ultimately I think it'll fail to fairly reflect the growing beast that is audio and video podcasting. Apple has always had this knack at nailing early adopter markets... the problem is they never have gotten a knack for scaling well and the market eventually catches up with apple and sucks it back up as didMicrosoft and the personal computer... oh, and linux. Let's not forget linux, because in this metaphor most video bloggers are more like linux and Apple hasmerely aligned itself to us by putting a BSD core of open media in it's operations. Sorry to those who didn't follow, I just geeked out. The point is I can't see anything but Apple's podcast directory slowly loosing the %
Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for
andrew michael baron says: "While in truth, no one can stop anyone from the mere act of podcasting, and granted, podcasters have all kinds of motives, podcasters were not included in the new, popularized search and discovery mechanism where I believe most wanted to be; the directory is where the popular control lies now, especially when a directory is large and not open, as we have all learned." I think vlogging can be greatly impacted through directories. That is why we as a community should work to set up an "open directory" that will become the accepted norm. Otherwise, others will set up slanted and manipulated and even "closed" directories. I'm still looking for something better than random searching to find good stuff. We need a filter, reviewers, trusted guides--not judges and lawmakers. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: andrew michael baron To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 1:35 AM Subject: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for The videoblogging community is going through some growing pains. In many ways, it is percieved to be just one group of people. It's one of something - a defintion, an open community - though that is about it. I remember a time when people asked me how many vidobloggers were out there. "Oh, probably less than a 1000". I defined that by how many people actually called themselves videobloggers. All of us, here, found each other because the term was rare while the activity and aspirations were in so many ways, common. Now it has gotten to be so large (not this group but this space), and so global, and so much has been discovered, and because it really is quite easy and obvious, with all the growth and crossovers, it is finally breaking up: maturing. This breaking up still leaves a community: anyone can be a part of it because it is a free activity. Beyond the definition that we all share (as even lawyers are now defining it on paper), luckily, there is no one way or direction for any of this. To say anyone is being unfair to the medium is a reverse evolution in thinking and inconsequential to this visual freedom. Anything less would be a desire for blindness - a situation that we are lucky to not ever have in reality or spirit. All criticism resolves itself or becomes concerned with obsolete measures; any breath that comes or goes, on any scale, will only surround us with play; there is no turning back, videoblogging can not be owned, damaged or destroyed by anyone. In a a href=""http://www.tuaw.com/2005/11/03/interview-with-andrew-baron-from-rocketboom/">http://www.tuaw.com/2005/11/03/interview-with-andrew-baron-from-rocketboom/"recent interview on TUAW/a, a href=""http://www.sampletheweb.com">http://www.sampletheweb.com/"C.K./a asked me my personal opinion about the genera of videoblogging: C.K.: Earlier you mentioned RSS being a means for the video blogging community to easily stay in touch with one another; do you think that Apple's sudden adoption of podcasting in iTunes and their most recent changes are helping or hurting that videoblogging community? Or do you think the sudden mainstream click and subscribe of iTunes is just a drop in an already highly-populated pond of podcast savvy programs? Andrew: Well, I don't think anything can hurt the videoblogging community. It's pretty much invincible by nature. I believe that indeed, Apple did take the podcasting "community" over, overnight. Of course not in truth, just in spirit. The day Apple released their podcasting client, the rest of the world that wasn't already privy to podcasting suddenly woke up to what it was and went directly to Apple to learn about it. Then, they went right to the Apple Podcast Directory to find all of their content where they still linger. Most of the pre-established podcasting community was set aside, left out in the cold and even forced by Apple to change their website names. Adam Curry, who was kind of the "spokesperson" behind the movement, primarily because he was one of the few who actually inspired the technological process that the narrow definition is dependent upon, became co-opted by Apple/The Music Industry at that time and so, especially in terms of the spirit, the podcasting community had little left but themselves again. They entered back into the traditional top-down, gate keeping life-style. While in truth, no one can stop anyone from the mere act of podcasting, and granted, podcasters have all kinds of motives, podcasters were not included in the new, popularized search and discovery mechanism where I believe most wanted to be; the directory is where the
Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for
Its all in the works... be patient :-) -Josh On 11/25/05, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew michael baron says: While in truth, no one can stop anyone from the mere act of podcasting, and granted, podcasters have all kinds of motives, podcasters were not included in the new, popularized search and discovery mechanism where I believe most wanted to be; the directory is where the popular control lies now, especially when a directory is large and not open, as we have all learned. I think vlogging can be greatly impacted through directories. That is why we as a community should work to set up an open directory that will become the accepted norm. Otherwise, others will set up slanted and manipulated and even closed directories. I'm still looking for something better than random searching to find good stuff. We need a filter, reviewers, trusted guides--not judges and lawmakers. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: andrew michael baron To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 1:35 AM Subject: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for The videoblogging community is going through some growing pains. In many ways, it is percieved to be just one group of people. It's one of something - a defintion, an open community - though that is about it. I remember a time when people asked me how many vidobloggers were out there. Oh, probably less than a 1000. I defined that by how many people actually called themselves videobloggers. All of us, here, found each other because the term was rare while the activity and aspirations were in so many ways, common. Now it has gotten to be so large (not this group but this space), and so global, and so much has been discovered, and because it really is quite easy and obvious, with all the growth and crossovers, it is finally breaking up: maturing. This breaking up still leaves a community: anyone can be a part of it because it is a free activity. Beyond the definition that we all share (as even lawyers are now defining it on paper), luckily, there is no one way or direction for any of this. To say anyone is being unfair to the medium is a reverse evolution in thinking and inconsequential to this visual freedom. Anything less would be a desire for blindness - a situation that we are lucky to not ever have in reality or spirit. All criticism resolves itself or becomes concerned with obsolete measures; any breath that comes or goes, on any scale, will only surround us with play; there is no turning back, videoblogging can not be owned, damaged or destroyed by anyone. In a a href="" href="http://www.tuaw.com/2005/11/03/interview-with-andrew-baron-from-rocketboom/" target="_blank" >http://www.tuaw.com/2005/11/03/interview-with-andrew-baron-from-rocketboom/ recent interview on TUAW/a, a href="" href="http://www.sampletheweb.com" target="_blank" >http://www.sampletheweb.com/C.K./a asked me my personal opinion about the genera of videoblogging: C.K.: Earlier you mentioned RSS being a means for the video blogging community to easily stay in touch with one another; do you think that Apple's sudden adoption of podcasting in iTunes and their most recent changes are helping or hurting that videoblogging community? Or do you think the sudden mainstream click and subscribe of iTunes is just a drop in an already highly-populated pond of podcast savvy programs? Andrew: Well, I don't think anything can hurt the videoblogging community. It's pretty much invincible by nature. I believe that indeed, Apple did take the podcasting community over, overnight. Of course not in truth, just in spirit. The day Apple released their podcasting client, the rest of the world that wasn't already privy to podcasting suddenly woke up to what it was and went directly to Apple to learn about it. Then, they went right to the Apple Podcast Directory to find all of their content where they still linger. Most of the pre-established podcasting community was set aside, left out in the cold and even forced by Apple to change their website names. Adam Curry, who was kind of the spokesperson behind the movement, primarily because he was one of the few who actually inspired the technological process that the narrow definition is dependent upon, became co-opted by Apple/The Music Industry at that time and so, especially in terms of the spirit, the podcasting community had little left but themselves again. They entered back into the traditional top-down, gate keeping life-style. While in truth, no one can stop anyone from the mere act of podcasting, and granted, podcasters have all kinds of motives,
Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for
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Nevermind the fact that this is an easy path to an exclusionary clique of accepted goodness. Plus, the secondary part of Randy's point -- that having an open, accepted directory would prevent other closed ones -- just won't happen. If anything, I think the folks working towards building/tweaking directories should put their heads together to open up ratings, comments, tags, feeds, etc etc. *Nudge nudge* =) andrew michael baron wrote: On Nov 25, 2005, at 9:03 PM, Randolfe Wicker wrote: That is why we as a community should work to set up an open directory that will become the accepted norm. There should not be just one. In the long run there never will be. SPONSORED LINKS Individual http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ Fireant http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=H15DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA Typepad http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Typepadw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=bK2vbSrJUIzcRadddW7krQ Use http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=RO46LszR1YSPWsK2mib1pA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group videoblogging http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Brad Webb, Director of Social Media Technology http://vslabs.vsocial.com/ vSocial | Custom One Media, LLC 51 W. Third Street, #301 Tempe, AZ 85281 (602) 885-2295 - Mobile (480) 967-9575 - Fax Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for
On 11/26/05, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still looking for something better than random searching to find good stuff. We need a filter, reviewers, trusted guides--not judges and lawmakers. That's already happening via the search engines, as well as specialized directories. The most popular (linked to) will rise to the top via the various search engine algorithms, while directories will have their own ratings etc. systems. It'll be exactly the same chaos we have with every other kind of web object. Your trusted guides may not be my trusted guides, etc.-- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Spirit can not be spoken for
On 11/25/05, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When Apple came along and did what may have seemed like the same thing for video podcasting, things were different. As I mentioned in the TUAW interview, the videoblogging community can not be co-opted. That's because it is not dependent on directories, or anyone else for that matter. That's because videoblogging is, by it's nature, dependent more on spirit, not alternate support. Podcasting is, as a medium, largely defined by casting out audio to an intended (or hopeful) audience. Videoblogging however, is primarily about a personal investigation that is shared for anyone that may want to see. Instead of casting out, videoblogging typically is inviting in and giving away. The motivation is different. And just as podcasting is dependent on a technology that can can be co-opted, bought, trademarked and spoken for, videoblogging can not. I don't see a huge difference. Podcasting is just videoblogging without the video. It's easier to do and tends to be more long-winded, probably due to smaller file sizes. I don't see that podcasting as a medium is any more likely to be co-opted etc. than vlogging. Directories are equally useful for both. Apple can try to control podcast as a trademark (good luck with that, Steve!), but downloadable radio shows pre-date the iPod, and I'm sure people will find ways to list and locate them even without the iPod name. There are big players with opposing interests in this, after all - surely Microsoft is not going to set up a Podcast directory, but they'll probably have some sort of directory of downloadable audio shows. -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
