Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?

2005-10-12 Thread Mat Wall-Smith 
Oh yeah...I forgot that partechoes from the archive...

ROCKETBOOM SUCKS.

Now that should be on the tshirti'd buy that for a dollar.




On 13/10/05 1:18 AM, "andrew michael baron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Flatterer!! Thanks for the nice words, really. Even after a year
> though, RB still sucks, I think.
> 
> On Oct 12, 2005, at 11:13 AM, Mat Wall-Smith wrote:
> 
>> Probably misunderstanding as I was lazy in not explaining completely.
>> RB is innovative in format, content, production...etc. But there is a
>> subtlety and depth to that innovation - you write with the medium
>> and it
>> never seems the other way round. I didn't really mean 'follows' in
>> terms of
>> your intent. Having watched the show from the very early days I
>> know that
>> this has never been your modus operandi. I would still suggest that
>> the
>> shows potential lies in the fact that the format plays on/off a
>> mode that
>> most viewers will recognize and feel comfortable with - so my
>> interpretation
>> is not that you pander to some normative standard but that the
>> viewer will
>> most likely adopt a format that they feel some familiarity with,
>> and perhaps
>> this also evokes a kind of confidence in the RB voice as well. The
>> fact that
>> RB play so intelligently off that format is (in my opinion) what
>> makes it
>> work so wellit marks video blogging as a departure from the
>> normative..
>> 
>> I hope this makes sense as I really did not intend to diss the RB
>> team.
>> I've RB in both writing and production classes and see it as an
>> important
>> innovator in the 'field'.this seems like a paradox but I don't
>> think it
>> is..
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Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?

2005-10-12 Thread Mat Wall-Smith 
Yes and No...

They may want to do the Adam Curry thing with video as well.
So you'll get Madonna. But they'll add a 'video podcasting' focus to the
podcast directory..

Of course prophecy is a fools game...




On 13/10/05 12:58 AM, "andrew michael baron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Bingo.
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> On Oct 12, 2005, at 10:54 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:
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>> If Apple were going to show off some content to tease for a video
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Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?

2005-10-12 Thread andrew michael baron 
Flatterer!! Thanks for the nice words, really. Even after a year  
though, RB still sucks, I think.

On Oct 12, 2005, at 11:13 AM, Mat Wall-Smith wrote:

> Probably misunderstanding as I was lazy in not explaining completely.
> RB is innovative in format, content, production...etc. But there is a
> subtlety and depth to that innovation - you write with the medium  
> and it
> never seems the other way round. I didn't really mean 'follows' in  
> terms of
> your intent. Having watched the show from the very early days I  
> know that
> this has never been your modus operandi. I would still suggest that  
> the
> shows potential lies in the fact that the format plays on/off a  
> mode that
> most viewers will recognize and feel comfortable with - so my  
> interpretation
> is not that you pander to some normative standard but that the  
> viewer will
> most likely adopt a format that they feel some familiarity with,  
> and perhaps
> this also evokes a kind of confidence in the RB voice as well. The  
> fact that
> RB play so intelligently off that format is (in my opinion) what  
> makes it
> work so wellit marks video blogging as a departure from the  
> normative..
>
> I hope this makes sense as I really did not intend to diss the RB  
> team.
> I've RB in both writing and production classes and see it as an  
> important
> innovator in the 'field'.this seems like a paradox but I don't  
> think it
> is..
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> On 13/10/05 12:32 AM, "andrew michael baron"  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> On Oct 12, 2005, at 8:33 AM, Mat Wall-Smith wrote:
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>>> Rocketboom . . . follows the 'theory of minimum innovation'-
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>> I could easily be offended by this part but maybe you don't
>> understand what we have been up to or maybe I am misunderstanding
>> your angle. Either way, no biggie, just couldn't let that one slip
>> by. Even if you would argue that we are not innovative, as a matter
>> of fact we are not following a theory of minimum innovation.
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Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?

2005-10-12 Thread Mat Wall-Smith 
Probably misunderstanding as I was lazy in not explaining completely.
RB is innovative in format, content, production...etc. But there is a
subtlety and depth to that innovation - you write with the medium and it
never seems the other way round. I didn't really mean 'follows' in terms of
your intent. Having watched the show from the very early days I know that
this has never been your modus operandi. I would still suggest that the
shows potential lies in the fact that the format plays on/off a mode that
most viewers will recognize and feel comfortable with - so my interpretation
is not that you pander to some normative standard but that the viewer will
most likely adopt a format that they feel some familiarity with, and perhaps
this also evokes a kind of confidence in the RB voice as well. The fact that
RB play so intelligently off that format is (in my opinion) what makes it
work so wellit marks video blogging as a departure from the normative..

I hope this makes sense as I really did not intend to diss the RB team.
I've RB in both writing and production classes and see it as an important
innovator in the 'field'.this seems like a paradox but I don't think it
is..




On 13/10/05 12:32 AM, "andrew michael baron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> On Oct 12, 2005, at 8:33 AM, Mat Wall-Smith wrote:
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>> Rocketboom . . . follows the 'theory of minimum innovation'-
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> I could easily be offended by this part but maybe you don't
> understand what we have been up to or maybe I am misunderstanding
> your angle. Either way, no biggie, just couldn't let that one slip
> by. Even if you would argue that we are not innovative, as a matter
> of fact we are not following a theory of minimum innovation.
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Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?

2005-10-12 Thread andrew michael baron 
Bingo.

On Oct 12, 2005, at 10:54 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

> If Apple were going to show off some content to tease for a video
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Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?

2005-10-12 Thread Joshua Kinberg 
If Apple were going to show off some content to tease for a video
product offering, don't you think it would more likely be U2, Madonna,
or someone else who has performed at a Super Bowl Half-Time Show?


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Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?

2005-10-12 Thread andrew michael baron 
I think it's safe to assume the field of topic is videoblogging.

On Oct 12, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:
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Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?

2005-10-12 Thread Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen 
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:32:15 +0200, andrew michael baron  
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> I could easily be offended by this part but maybe you don't
> understand what we have been up to or maybe I am misunderstanding
> your angle. Either way, no biggie, just couldn't let that one slip
> by. Even if you would argue that we are not innovative, as a matter
> of fact we are not following a theory of minimum innovation.

It depends on what kind of field one expected rocketboom to be innovating  
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Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?

2005-10-12 Thread andrew michael baron 

On Oct 12, 2005, at 8:33 AM, Mat Wall-Smith wrote:

> Rocketboom . . . follows the 'theory of minimum innovation'-

I could easily be offended by this part but maybe you don't  
understand what we have been up to or maybe I am misunderstanding  
your angle. Either way, no biggie, just couldn't let that one slip  
by. Even if you would argue that we are not innovative, as a matter  
of fact we are not following a theory of minimum innovation.





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Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?

2005-10-12 Thread Mat Wall-Smith 
Sorry Taylor..everyone here is great...just think that Rocketboom has a
nicely packaged commercially viable 'product' with a good length, a good
download size, that follows the 'theory of minimum innovation'- this is what
what I mean by reliable -- as well as that the program has been running for
a substantial period daily without a major shift in format...and there
subscription rate was (at least when last reported) pretty impressive.

I don't want more laughs and less lengthbut apple probably will! In fact
chances are they'll want mostly eye candy and RB as Andrew has intimated are
probably still too left of field/engaged for them. I still recall that great
post where Amanda came upon a family that had allegedly been mistreated by
police - Apple can't rotoscope that!


I've probably offended RB as well now...sorry to all...


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> Thanks a lot. I think my track record is pretty good. Is less than
> daily not regular nor reliable? I've posted every week since startup
> and more than once a week usually. Not flashy enough for you Mat? Or
> too long? Or what? ; ^ ) You want more laughs less length?




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Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?

2005-10-12 Thread Kunga 
Thanks a lot. I think my track record is pretty good. Is less than  
daily not regular nor reliable? I've posted every week since startup  
and more than once a week usually. Not flashy enough for you Mat? Or  
too long? Or what? ; ^ ) You want more laughs less length?
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On Oct 11, 2005, at 10:39 PM, Mat Wall-Smith wrote:

> Given the videoblog landscape I’d have thought RB would be the  
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> No-one else does work as regularly and reliably produced and I  
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Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?

2005-10-12 Thread Kunga 
Well you've all got me wondering enough for me to go over there and  
make a cold call on Apple's PR in the Lobby as to why they never  
return my calls nor answer my emails. I am sick and tired of being  
ignored by them. It should make for some interesting video even if I  
am rejected at the door. I live only 32 miles from the site of  
today's event. So I will go in hopes of making a breakthrough with  
Apple PR since I can't get any closer to them in person than the $6  
round trip in gas from here. I'm real familiar with the neighborhood  
and know where I can park for free nearby the site - California  
Theatre, 345 South 1st St San Jose. It's a beautiful place.

 Amazing architecture circa 1927  
completely restored to mint condition. Like me. Wish me luck.

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On Oct 11, 2005, at 10:25 PM, andrew michael baron wrote:

> Nope, not us.
>
> (1) I wish!
>
> (2) It's unlikely Apple would want to align with Rocketboom. I  
> think Apple is way too conservative and traditional in this regard.  
> Just a feeling, I wish it  weren'ttrue. At least we've got Pete!  
> Pinball wizard!



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Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?

2005-10-12 Thread Mat Wall-Smith 
I tried to buy an 20 gig iPod as a gift last week. Couldn't get one.
No store here can get the current model of iPods from Apple. All orders are
pending and there is no word on when they will be available again (across
numerous stores).
To me it feels like the 'something else' is an iPod of one form or another.
No store has any information but they agreed that something was probably
pending as it was an unusual situation.

Apple will want to launch video on demand, a video server or a video capable
airport express video, and ipod video 'portability' in the same breath...
Steve said no-one wants to watch video on their iPODbut s-vhs out
defeats that.  

I guess will soon see.




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> Josh Paul and I gave a videoblogging presentation tonight at the Apple
> store in Santa Monica, CA.
> Small crowd of about 10 or 12, but lots of fun.
> 
> No word there about video iPods, but it does appear that Apple is just
> about to open a few more stores in our area.
> That seems like quite a growth spurt actually.
> I wonder how much that is happening elsewhere.
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Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?

2005-10-12 Thread Markus Sandy 
Josh Paul and I gave a videoblogging presentation tonight at the Apple 
store in Santa Monica, CA.
Small crowd of about 10 or 12, but lots of fun.

No word there about video iPods, but it does appear that Apple is just 
about to open a few more stores in our area.
That seems like quite a growth spurt actually. 
I wonder how much that is happening elsewhere.

Markus

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Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?

2005-10-11 Thread Michael Sullivan 



i think 'vlog soup' by steve garfield would be a cool choice for demo.On 10/12/05, Mat Wall-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Given the videoblog landscape I'd have thought RB would be the safest option for Apple.
No-one else does work as regularly and reliably produced and I imagine your subscriptions would probably back that up.

What is your 'circulation' now?

mat



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On Oct 11, 2005, at 11:05 PM, Mat Wall-Smith wrote:

 Andrew, Amanda? Blink once if you are apple's next big thing... ; )
 

Nope, not us.

(1) I wish!

(2) It's unlikely Apple would want to align with Rocketboom. I think
Apple is way too conservative and traditional in this regard. Just a
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Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?

2005-10-11 Thread Josh Leo 



Alright I confessApple did ask me to be their video blog whore for
there presentation todayThey offered me a free ipod video, a .MAC
account, and a dinner with Steve Jobs. I promise not to forget all of
you who helped me get where I am today...

I am selling out, cashing in and embracing the fact that Josh Leo's
Vlog Will be up there in the ranks with other great video blogs in the
itunes video store such as CNN-vlog, ESPN-vlog, BBC-vlog, and sex with
some sexy woman XXX's vlog...that is right folks, all the video blogs
you know and love, right there in the itunes video store. I'm leaving
Rocketboom in my dust, I am in the big-leagues now!!!

ALL Hail Apple! Screwer of Independant media (forgive me steve)On 10/12/05, Mat Wall-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:






Given the videoblog landscape I'd have thought RB would be the safest option for Apple.
No-one else does work as regularly and reliably produced and I imagine your subscriptions would probably back that up.
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?

2005-10-11 Thread Mat Wall-Smith 
Title: Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?





Given the videoblog landscape I’d have thought RB would be the safest option for Apple.
No-one else does work as regularly and reliably produced and I imagine your subscriptions would probably back that up.

What is your ‘circulation’ now?

mat



On 12/10/05 3:25 PM, "andrew michael baron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Oct 11, 2005, at 11:05 PM, Mat Wall-Smith wrote:

 Andrew, Amanda? Blink once if you are apple’s next big thing... ; )
 

Nope, not us.

(1) I wish!

(2) It's unlikely Apple would want to align with Rocketboom. I think Apple is way too conservative and traditional in this regard. Just a feeling, I wish it  weren'ttrue. At least we've got Pete! Pinball wizard!



  

 
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Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?

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On Oct 11, 2005, at 11:05 PM, Mat Wall-Smith wrote: Andrew, Amanda? Blink once if you are apple’s next big thing... ; ) Nope, not us.(1) I wish!(2) It's unlikely Apple would want to align with Rocketboom. I think Apple is way too conservative and traditional in this regard. Just a feeling, I wish it  weren'ttrue. At least we've got Pete! Pinball wizard!




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?

2005-10-11 Thread Mat Wall-Smith 
Title: Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?





Andrew, Amanda? Blink once if you are apple’s next big thing... ; )


On 12/10/05 1:01 PM, "André Sala" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

hmmm...  from macromors.com:

Meanwhile, one unconfirmed blog post   reports that "a popular video blog" has been asked by Apple to be used during Apple's presentation tomorrow..

anyone here feel like spoiling their surprise?

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information from sources regarding Apple's September 7 media event,
the cancelled Apple Expo keynote, and tomorrow October 12 event. While
reliable evidence has corroborated reports of the development of a
video iPod, information has pointed to a release date later than
October. Recent notes suggest otherwise, however, and tomorrow may in
fact see the release of a video iPod, while Mac updates may not be
delivered until next week."

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0510oct12d.html

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Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?

2005-10-11 Thread André Sala 


hmmm...  from macromors.com:Meanwhile, one unconfirmed blog post reports that "a popular video blog" has been asked by Apple to be used during Apple's presentation tomorrow..anyone here feel like spoiling their surprise?On Oct 11, 2005, at 10:19 PM, LeanBackVids.com wrote:"In recent weeks Think Secret has been deluged with conflictinginformation from sources regarding Apple's September 7 media event,the cancelled Apple Expo keynote, and tomorrow October 12 event. Whilereliable evidence has corroborated reports of the development of avideo iPod, information has pointed to a release date later thanOctober. Recent notes suggest otherwise, however, and tomorrow may infact see the release of a video iPod, while Mac updates may not bedelivered until next week."http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0510oct12d.html-Matt---http://www.leanbackvids.comhttp://www.vlogmap.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life.http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~-> Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:    [EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:    http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod in 13 hours?

2005-10-11 Thread Josh Wolf 
From: http://tinyurl.com/d6kbc
"I have just heard through the grapevine that a popular video blog  
has just been asked by Apple if their videocast can be used in  
Apple’s presentation on Wednesday, Oct 12th."

Hey Andrew... was Rocketboom asked? Of course, you can't really  
answer that question on a public list without facing the wrath of  
Apple if it is indeed the case, but if so... that's awesome. If I was  
Apple I would definitely introduce Videoblogging on the iPod with  
Rocketboom...

I want an iPod with a high-quality microphone that can attach to an  
iSight and record video. That's the perfect videoblogging tool.



Josh

www.joshwolf.net


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> information from sources regarding Apple's September 7 media event,
> the cancelled Apple Expo keynote, and tomorrow October 12 event. While
> reliable evidence has corroborated reports of the development of a
> video iPod, information has pointed to a release date later than
> October. Recent notes suggest otherwise, however, and tomorrow may in
> fact see the release of a video iPod, while Mac updates may not be
> delivered until next week."
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