Re: [videoblogging] Videoblogging book is cancelled
Okay, chiming in...I've only written for O'Reilly. I don't work for them(!). However, from everyone I've met who's even remotely affiliated with the company, I can say they're a great group.Yes, they've recognized vlogging (semi-obvious since they started the process of publishing a book on it). I highly doubt they're going to work with others. They had/have the pioneers. Where else would they go? Why would they go somewhere else? I just don't see it.I think they were honest and didn't see it as a profitable market given the timeframe. I can guarantee that it was not an easy decision to make. People inside the company had devoted themselves to the book, too.I do believe that when they choose to pursue the video blogging market, they'll look to the same people. Wouldn't you?Hey, if I get the opportunity to do a second edition, I'd be ecstatic. (Shameless plug: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/digitalvideohks/ ). (Hey, I did say shameless.)And, yes, a vlog handbook would be very cool.Best,JoshOn Sep 29, 2005, at 12:09 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote: i can only speculate i dont think at all that its too early. they have recognized vlogging maybe Joshua Paul can chime in. maybe it means that they are going to work with others... maybe an updated 'podcast' book that covers video. maybe they will instead go with a different theme and do a new overall grass roots media book and include vlogging chapters maybe they will come out with new DV Hacks edition. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/dvideopg/ I think that if we do make a printed book, a vlog handbook would be perfect. one of those small pocket sized books then we can hand them out for free. sullOn 9/29/05, Chris Baudry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We found out that O'reilly has cancelled the Videoblogging hacks book.The word from Chuck, the editor, is that their marketing departmentdetermined that this book and 2 others were too risky financially. "what does this mean?" - I am interested in the "what does this mean?" part of the initial message. Does it mean that from the publisher's perspective it's too early and the market is too embryonic?-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -"The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Videoblogging book is cancelled
Videoblogging is all about using the internet as a delivery mechanism for video. Why abandon it now? I agree with digitalbuddha. DIY. Find an editor who will work with you and submit what you got to lulu.com for on-demand publishing. You can have an online version too, to supplement what you publish, and add updates as they come. --Yves Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Videoblogging book is cancelled
Videoblogging is all about using the internet as a delivery mechanism for video. Why abandon it now? I agree with digitalbuddha. DIY. Find an editor who will work with you and submit what you got to lulu.com for on-demand publishing. You can have an online version too, to supplement what you publish, and add updates as they come. agreed. We are waiting for the final cancellation agreement from O'reilly. Then we can figure out the next step. The good news is that we have a videoblogging book more than half complete. I believe we can make it an online community project AND get it published in paper format. Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging URL: http://www.momentshowing.net http://feeds.feedburner.com/Momentshowing Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Videoblogging book is cancelled
Chris Baudry wrote: I am interested in the what does this mean? part of the initial message. Does it mean that from the publisher's perspective it's too early and the market is too embryonic? What it means is the books on podcasting already in the channels aren't meeting sales projections which means taking a risk on a book with a smaller market doesn't make any sense from the publishers financial investment perspective. It doesn't mean there's not a market for it, but it does mean there's limited interest in the topic in traditional channels. One approach you could take is to contact the people at a company like No Starch, which tends to take risks on books with cult followings and more niche topics. The advantage to that route is getting access to the traditional retail channels (through O'Reilly, ironically) and if negotiated correctly, you could easily retain the electronic distribution rights. Jake Ludington http://www.mediablab.com http://www.podcastingstarterkit.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Videoblogging book is cancelled
then we make a book with one page... and it has this url: http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/I wouldn't mind having a printed book with 300 pages of just that URLto give to everysinglepersoninmyoffice.comb hehehOn 9/29/05, Brett Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the risk of flame death, isn't google the ultimate videoblog how to?bI think that if we do make a printed book, a vlog handbook would be perfect. one of those small pocket sized books then we can hand them out for free. - Brett Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.etherworks.ca YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -"The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Brett Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.etherworks.ca SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Videoblogging book is cancelled
History of Video Blogging http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlog Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Videoblogging book is cancelled
Wow! That's a shock to me. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Webcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Sep 27, 2005, at 5:37 PM, Jay dedman wrote: We found out that O'reilly has cancelled the Videoblogging hacks book. The word from Chuck, the editor, is that their marketing department determined that this book and 2 others were too risky financially. what does this mean? Answers are unclear at this point. We are still negotiating the terms of the cancellation. we should know more by Friday. One possibility is to make it an online community project...a growing book that everyone contributes to over time. Might even be better since we can add hyperlinks and screencasts. We have over half the book complete. No bad feelings towards O'reilly...its a business choice on their part. Reguardless of what happens, we'll make the work we've done help the people who are leaning to videoblog. please send any questions my way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Videoblogging book is cancelled
On 9/27/05, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We found out that O'reilly has cancelled the Videoblogging hacks book. what does this mean? Check out: http://www.lulu.com/ This was started by the guy who came out with Red Hat linux. He was on TWiT a few weeks back. They have complete in-house publishing services. Shel. -- www.icenrye.com www.icenrye.blogspot.com www.icenryelikes.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Videoblogging book is cancelled
I know a couple of people who have worked for Lulu and recommend them highly. Quality is good, service is prompt, customer service actually *exists*. It's a very good alternative. -- BevBlog: http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/Video: http://basykes.blip.tv/Video: http://www.ourmedia.org/user/24663Journal: http://funnytheworld.com - Original Message - From: Sheldon Pineo To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Videoblogging book is cancelled On 9/27/05, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We found out that O'reilly has cancelled the Videoblogging hacks book. what does this mean?Check out: http://www.lulu.com/This was started by the guy who came out with Red Hat linux. He wason TWiT a few weeks back. They have complete in-house publishingservices.Shel.--www.icenrye.comwww.icenrye.blogspot.comwww.icenryelikes.blogspot.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Videoblogging book is cancelled
yeah, lulu is very reputable. otherwise, do it entirely e-independently. it can be done. On 9/28/05, Sheldon Pineo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/27/05, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We found out that O'reilly has cancelled the Videoblogging hacks book. what does this mean?Check out: http://www.lulu.com/This was started by the guy who came out with Red Hat linux.He wason TWiT a few weeks back.They have complete in-house publishingservices. Shel.--www.icenrye.comwww.icenrye.blogspot.comwww.icenryelikes.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
