It is not in WB Archive collection and it is unlikely there was ever a
VHS or DVD produced. Warner ( which controls MGM titles of that
period) has released far more titles than any other studio but as
usual the vast majority of studio films have never been released,
regardless of what the idiot
Hi all,
Our collections contains a small number of VHS tapes we've transferred from
16mm films, using Section 108. We received an Interlibrary Loan request today
for one of these 16mm films, but I want to send out the VHS copy. I don't
immediately see anything in 108 that would prevent us
Here's the deal: one of the things that probably would not fly when
invoking 108 is keeping both the replacement copy (in your case the vhs
tape) and the original (the 16mm) in the collection as circulating copies.
In other words, you don't want to end up with more circulating copies of
a work
This probably doesn't apply to the case at hand but might be defensible.
Section 108 permits preservation copies made of items that have been
lost but from where does one get a copy to make a replacement copy. It
would have to be borrowed from someone else with that out of release
title. Over
With all due respect the entire transfer was ILLEGAL. 16mm is NOT a
dead format. Films are in fact still being shot in 16mm. I can give
you 20 places where you can buy or service a projector You transferred
something for convenience not because it was in either a dead or
degrading format. I know
The issue isn't dead formats, Jessica, it's whether the item is available
is currently distributed in the same or other formats and available for
purchase at fair market. I agree that simply copying because it's more
convenient doesn't really fly.
g
With all due respect the entire transfer
No Gary, there was nothing wrong with this copy and nothing wrong with
thousands of 16m copies that many institutions are transferring. I am
sure a few of them might be in danger but in general 16mm is very
sturdy format and lets not be naive that many institutions are
wholesale transferring them
OK...I think I stand corrected. But, yipes, there are an awful lot of
ifs and buts in this affair.
So, to recap: you make a vhs copy from a 16mm print that is physically at
risk and determined to be out of distribution and un-gettable in any
format, and you loan the vhs copy via ILL. OK...108
Greetings, group;
At this point can laserdisc be considered a dead format?
Not looking to convert any of our LD's at the moment, but just in case
our players start dying...
Thanks,
Brigid Duffy
Academic Technology
San Francisco State University
San Francisco, CA 94132-4200
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and what about transferring a perfectly healthy 16mm to VHS in the first place?
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu wrote:
I disagree with Gary's comment about loaning.
The provisions of Section 108 limiting use to within the library applies
to * digital *
I beat you by a minute
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:28 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
Yeah...dearly departed. I don't think even Jessica would argue (well,
then again...we'll see)
We've converted a number of ours (e.g. the spectacular Eadweard Muybridge
disc from
If we could step back for a minute to the question of whether 16mm
film is obsolete. It's news to me that someone's still manufacturing
16 mm projectors. What company and where can I get one?
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The irony is that I would consider 16mm the least likely to have
physical problems format. Yes very old prints can get vinegar
syndrome, warp and shrink but on average they last far, far longer
than VHS, DVD etc and despite rumors to the contrary it is still being
used.
I think we need to be
They are made new in Japan ( though I think pricey) and dozens of
places in the US sell them used. The law says no longer reasonably
available in commercial market place, not exclusively new. It is very
easy and relatively cheap to get a very good 16mm projector. There are
dozens of places in the
Gary and Jessica:
Here's a question for you: In a hypothetical U.S. situation where an
institution has, say, Hollywood: A Celebration of the American
Silent Film on laserdisc, must they look for and purchase a used set
on VHS, since this will likely never be released in a digital format,
Ok...this'll really get Jessica going.
I suspect (but, hey, I ain't no lawyer) that a fairly strong case
could/would be made for transferring 16mm to another format in an academic
setting if: 1) the title were legally acquired in the first place and 2)
thorough and well-documented due diligence
108 does not require the purchase of used copies.
Quoting:
the library or archives has, after a reasonable effort, determined that an
unused replacement cannot be obtained at a fair price
I'd say that if it is on laser and you can't find a new DVD replacement,
108 applies
g
Gary and
I would distinguish the production of moving images on 16mm from the
distribution/ dissemination of those films. Even our students who
still make 16mm films have them subsequently telecineed for the
practicality of having them seen. It's clear that very few
institutions still purchase 16mm.
16mm is a bitch, but it ain't a dead format. According to the law if
the equipment is reasonably available ( and just google and you will
find plenty of places to buy 16mm projectors new and used) you can't
make a copy UNLESS the original is deteriorating. The issue is can you
just transfer an
Nope. 16mm projectors are widely available . There a dozen NEW ones on
eBay now. You are saying it is INCONVENIENT for the school to buy
them and use them in the classroom. Where in 108 does it say that if
the format is a pain in the ass to put in the classroom you can just
make it into one that
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Hi,
Our collection has almost 2000 16mm prints, approximately 75% of which
have never been issued on VHS or DVD. Our AV services no longer support
16mm machines to classes or even have them in back storage (junked long
ago), so there are no facilities campus-wide to show these in classrooms.
For
Well I regularly attend festivals where 16mm is the predominant
format. Bad things can happen but overall they are far sturdier than
any other format I can think of.
The decision to dump a repair machine for DVD storage is perhaps
understandable but you don't get to sort of work your way to making
I am sure if UCLA wanted to spend a few bucks it would have no trouble
getting some lovely 16mm projectors it could take into classes. It is
really rather easy. I know the archive has editing machines the films
can be viewed on by individual users. These titles are not remotely
dead . You and
Thanks everyone for your feedback.
Regarding obsolescence - We share the same support issues Gail and others have
brought up. The men in glasses wheeling a projector into the classroom (who
I'll now fondly refer to as The Dennis' ) are gone. Last year, the single
16mm projector that was
My guess is that if the issue of 16mm transfer vis a vis 108 came to case
law (highly unlikely in the short-run), a very compelling and binding case
could be made for considering the format obsolete for most practical
purposes. Regardless of how many new and used projectors Jessica can find
Standard wear and tear has always been an issue, even with books. I
understand the frustration but there is no free upgrade to easiest to
use formats. Even though a few libraries have tried you don't get to
scan books and put them on line which would also save on wear and tear
and make them much
Jessica,
I think we all understand by now that, within the law, there's no free
upgrade to much of anything, right? That wasn't my point---I merely was
commenting that, no matter what technology's available for viewing film or
tape, that technology, itself may likely contribute to loss. No
Alas Tyra I wish everyone did understand there were no free upgrades
under copyright law.
The irony is that any transfer of format will in fact degrade the
image and result in an inferior product,
I do understand that believe it or not everyone shares the same goal
of making as many films
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