>>>>> universities in general???), though as Jessica points out it is still
>>>>> available and used in other areas.
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>>>>> Regarding ILL - thanks for this feedback too. This issue had never
>
me
>>>>up
>>>> before and it stumped me. I vaguely remembered analog vs. digital
>>>>being a
>>>> factor in lending of any type. We generally don't circulation any
>>>>16mm
>>>> films outside of the library anyway (espe
tor in lending of any type. We generally don't circulation any 16mm
>>> films outside of the library anyway (especially through ILL), though I
>>> will make sure to clarify in our catalog records that the 16mm is not an
>>> access copy at all.
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t;> Kim
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>> Kim Stanton
>> Head, Media Library
>> University of North Texas
>> kim.stan...@unt.edu
>> P: (940) 565-4832
>> F: (940) 369-7396
>>
>> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
>> [mailto:videolib-boun...
ideolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Gail Fedak
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 3:09 PM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
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> When I entered the media world in the mid 70's, we were fortunate to have
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From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Gail Fedak
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 3:09 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
When I entered the media world in the mid 70's, we were fortun
I am sure if UCLA wanted to spend a few bucks it would have no trouble
getting some lovely 16mm projectors it could take into classes. It is
really rather easy. I know the archive has editing machines the films
can be viewed on by individual users. These titles are not remotely
"dead" . You and oth
hat view?
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> I keep thinking of Henri Langlois…
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> Judy Shoaf
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> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
> [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Gail Fedak
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 4:09 PM
> To: videoli
I'm not talking about transferring an entire collection of 16mm film
or even a few. I'm not even talking about transferring at all. I'm
simply commenting about the loss of a certain area of culture
because of lack of dissemination of materials on 16mm. If something
doesn't get shown because it
Hi,
Our collection has almost 2000 16mm prints, approximately 75% of which
have never been issued on VHS or DVD. Our AV services no longer support
16mm machines to classes or even have them in back storage (junked long
ago), so there are no facilities campus-wide to show these in classrooms.
For a
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Gail Fedak
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 4:09 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
When I entered the media world in the mid 70's, we were fortunate to have a
16mm lending library cooperativ
When I entered the media world in the mid 70's, we were fortunate to
have a 16mm lending library cooperative for subscribing K-12 schools
located within our library, so had access to a professional 16mm repair
and refurbishing machine, complete with two experienced operators. While
16mm is a re
Nope. 16mm projectors are widely available . There a dozen NEW ones on
eBay now. You are saying it is "INCONVENIENT" for the school to buy
them and use them in the classroom. Where in 108 does it say that if
the format is a pain in the ass to put in the classroom you can just
make it into one that
16mm is a bitch, but it ain't a dead format. According to the law if
the equipment is reasonably available ( and just google and you will
find plenty of places to buy 16mm projectors new and used) you can't
make a copy UNLESS the original is deteriorating. The issue is can you
just transfer an ent
Gary,
No comment on the copyright issues (though I think due diligence towards
finding the owner or director would be nice since come to think of it, I
rarely see this question come up in the listserv), but I feel sad for all
those job losses of young men in glasses that wheeled 16mm projectors an
I would distinguish the production of moving images on 16mm from the
distribution/ dissemination of those films. Even our students who
still make 16mm films have them subsequently telecineed for the
practicality of having them seen. It's clear that very few
institutions still purchase 16mm. Eve
Ok...this'll really get Jessica going.
I suspect (but, hey, I ain't no lawyer) that a fairly strong case
could/would be made for transferring 16mm to another format in an academic
setting if: 1) the title were legally acquired in the first place and 2)
thorough and well-documented due diligence re
They are made new in Japan ( though I think pricey) and dozens of
places in the US sell them used. The law says " no longer reasonably
available in commercial market place", not exclusively new. It is very
easy and relatively cheap to get a very good 16mm projector. There are
dozens of places in th
The irony is that I would consider 16mm the least likely to have
physical problems format. Yes very old prints can get vinegar
syndrome, warp and shrink but on average they last far, far longer
than VHS, DVD etc and despite rumors to the contrary it is still being
used.
I think we need to be hones
If we could step back for a minute to the question of whether 16mm
film is obsolete. It's news to me that someone's still manufacturing
16 mm projectors. What company and where can I get one?
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
relating to the selection, e
and what about transferring a perfectly healthy 16mm to VHS in the first place?
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Deg Farrelly wrote:
> I disagree with Gary's comment about loaning.
>
> The provisions of Section 108 limiting use to within the library applies
> to * digital * copies.
>
> 108 Sect
OK...I think I stand corrected. But, yipes, there are an awful lot of
"ifs" and "buts" in this affair.
So, to recap: you make a vhs copy from a 16mm print that is physically at
risk and determined to be out of distribution and un-gettable in any
format, and you loan the vhs copy via ILL. OK...1
No Gary, there was nothing wrong with this copy and nothing wrong with
thousands of 16m copies that many institutions are transferring. I am
sure a few of them might be in "danger" but in general 16mm is very
sturdy format and lets not be naive that many institutions are
wholesale transferring them
I disagree with Gary's comment about loaning.
The provisions of Section 108 limiting use to within the library applies
to * digital * copies.
108 Section (a) (c),
"or to distribute such copy or phonorecord, under the conditions
specified
by this section, if ‹ "
108 Section (c)
(2) an
> Kim,
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>>> My sense is no and so at UCSD we do not ILL any 108 material - library
>>> use only.
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>>> Stephen
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gt;> My sense is no and so at UCSD we do not ILL any 108 material - library
>> use only.
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>> Stephen
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>> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
>> [ma
The issue isn't dead formats, Jessica, it's whether the item is available
is currently distributed in the same or other formats and available for
purchase at fair market. I agree that simply copying because it's more
convenient doesn't really fly.
g
> With all due respect the entire transfer
With all due respect the entire transfer was ILLEGAL. 16mm is NOT a
dead format. Films are in fact still being shot in 16mm. I can give
you 20 places where you can buy or service a projector You transferred
something for convenience not because it was in either a dead or
degrading format. I know 16
n...@lists.berkeley.edu
> [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Stanton, Kim
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:52 AM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
>
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> Hi all,
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> Our collections con
This probably doesn't apply to the case at hand but might be defensible.
Section 108 permits preservation copies made of items that have been
lost but from where does one get a copy to make a replacement copy. It
would have to be borrowed from someone else with that out of release
title. Over time
: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
Hi all,
Our collections contains a small number of VHS tapes we've transferred from
16mm films, using Section 108. We received an Interlibrary Loan request today
for one of these 16mm films, but I want to send out the VHS copy. I don't
immed
Here's the deal: one of the things that probably would not fly when
invoking 108 is keeping both the replacement copy (in your case the vhs
tape) and the original (the 16mm) in the collection as circulating copies.
In other words, you don't want to end up with more circulating copies of
a work th
Hi all,
Our collections contains a small number of VHS tapes we've transferred from
16mm films, using Section 108. We received an Interlibrary Loan request today
for one of these 16mm films, but I want to send out the VHS copy. I don't
immediately see anything in 108 that would prevent us fro
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