Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs?

[Bergman, Barbara J]

I think the one clear answer we've gotten out of this discussion is that there 
is no one right answer.  Academic libraries are pretty diverse. :)


Barb Bergman | Media Services & Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State 
University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | 
barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs?

[Elizabeth McMahon]

I have tried to keep up with this discussion, and so far I have not seen
any mention of streaming and public library collections. I frankly have no
idea if public libraries are collecting, to the extent possible, streamed
titles for patrons to access remotely. I am aware only of Overdrive, which
has been around for many years, and was predominantly second and third tier
titles and public domain features. Can anyone address this? I would be
especially keen hearing from Jim Davis of Docuseek and the man from Icarus
who posed this original kernel for a most fruitful discussion. I'd be very
interested in hearing from Criterion, Swank, Kanopy and the more
traditional "independent" and educational distributors, like Dennis Doros
at Milestone and Elizabeth Stanley at Bullfrog, and anyone from Filmmakers
Library (though I know they are repped by Alexander St. Press). And of
course i would love to hear from public librarians responsible for
acquisitions.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Bergman, Barbara J  wrote:

> I think the one clear answer we’ve gotten out of this discussion is that
> there is no one right answer.  Academic libraries are pretty diverse. J
>
>
>
>
>
> Barb Bergman | Media Services & Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota
> State University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>


-- 
Elizabeth
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs?

[elizabeth mcmahon]

Hi Michael!
This is definitely useful! I was a film/video/audio librarian and 
preservationist at NYPL for 15 years, around with the advent of the internet in 
libraries and going through all the different browsers back then (remember Alta 
Vista or Hotbot?). Fun, exciting times, and I remember when the Materials 
Acquisitions Office secured a license for Overdrive and Naxos for streamed 
media, this was in the 90s!!  Just like you said, they had poor circulation, 
and it was I think mainly because of two basic things: Unappealing collections 
and people's access to a computer. I have no idea what NYPL is doing now for 
streaming offerings. Things have changed radically since back then, and I would 
welcome being able to use my card to get a movie online from the library for 
free instead of paying for it on Amazon or Netflix. I appreciate you chiming in 
since this conversation is so dominated by academics, which is good, I am 
learning a lot, but these issues have an impact for public libraries, too, as 
you well know. I think the material available, the content, is just as 
important as the licensing. I am hoping the distributors join this conversation 
and address public librarians responsible for collection development!
Thanks again! Elizabeth
  From: Michael May 
 To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" ; 
"elizab...@bullfrogfilms.com"  
 Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 6:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs?
   
Hi Elizabeth and all,

I'm at a public library with about 42,500 registered patrons. Our Overdrive 
streaming videos are at http://dubuque.lib.overdrive.com/ and 
http://dubuque.lib.overdrive.com/screeningroom. I think Midwest Tape has a 
similar platform called Hoopla.

We have about 860 streaming videos in a mix of cost-per-circ collections, plus 
individual titles that we select and pay for outright. We've been building the 
streaming collections for about 18 months, but our circulation is still very 
low, between 70 to 100 checkouts per month, which is less than 0.5% of our 
monthly Blu-ray/DVD circulation. This low circulation seems to be due to small 
collection size, limited title selection, and lack of patron awareness and/or 
interest. Also, as far as I know, playback is essentially limited to phones, 
tablets, laptops, and desktops. There doesn't seem to be an easy way to stream 
to televisions.

We purchase Blu-rays and DVDs from library vendors like Midwest Tape and Baker 
& Taylor, as well as Amazon and occasionally from independent distributors and 
filmmakers. We almost always purchase home-use discs only, without performance 
rights. Over the last year, for example, we've purchased the home-use versions 
of Icarus Films' Dark Star: HR Giger's World, Red Knot, and A Spell To Ward Off 
The Darkness. I don't see those titles in Overdrive, so if they were not on 
Blu-ray or DVD, we wouldn't have added them.

Is this info helpful?

Mike

Michael May
Adult Services Librarian
Carnegie-Stout Public Library
360 West 11th Street
Dubuque, IA 52001-4697, USA
Phone: 563-589-4225 ext. 2244
Fax: 563-589-4217
Email: m...@dubuque.lib.ia.us


From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] 
on behalf of Elizabeth McMahon [elizmcma...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 3:36 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu; Dennis Doros; elizab...@bullfrogfilms.com
Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs?

I have tried to keep up with this discussion, and so far I have not seen any 
mention of streaming and public library collections. I frankly have no idea if 
public libraries are collecting, to the extent possible, streamed titles for 
patrons to access remotely. I am aware only of Overdrive, which has been around 
for many years, and was predominantly second and third tier titles and public 
domain features. Can anyone address this? I would be especially keen hearing 
from Jim Davis of Docuseek and the man from Icarus who posed this original 
kernel for a most fruitful discussion. I'd be very interested in hearing from 
Criterion, Swank, Kanopy and the more traditional "independent" and educational 
distributors, like Dennis Doros at Milestone and Elizabeth Stanley at Bullfrog, 
and anyone from Filmmakers Library (though I know they are repped by Alexander 
St. Press). And of course i would love to hear from public librarians 
responsible for acquisitions.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Bergman, Barbara J 
> wrote:
I think the one clear answer we’ve gotten out of this discussion is that there 
is no one right answer.  Academic libraries are pretty diverse. ☺


Barb Bergman | Media Services & Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State 
University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | 
barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu

Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs?

[Michael May]

Hi Elizabeth and all,

I'm at a public library with about 42,500 registered patrons. Our Overdrive 
streaming videos are at http://dubuque.lib.overdrive.com/ and 
http://dubuque.lib.overdrive.com/screeningroom. I think Midwest Tape has a 
similar platform called Hoopla.

We have about 860 streaming videos in a mix of cost-per-circ collections, plus 
individual titles that we select and pay for outright. We've been building the 
streaming collections for about 18 months, but our circulation is still very 
low, between 70 to 100 checkouts per month, which is less than 0.5% of our 
monthly Blu-ray/DVD circulation. This low circulation seems to be due to small 
collection size, limited title selection, and lack of patron awareness and/or 
interest. Also, as far as I know, playback is essentially limited to phones, 
tablets, laptops, and desktops. There doesn't seem to be an easy way to stream 
to televisions.

We purchase Blu-rays and DVDs from library vendors like Midwest Tape and Baker 
& Taylor, as well as Amazon and occasionally from independent distributors and 
filmmakers. We almost always purchase home-use discs only, without performance 
rights. Over the last year, for example, we've purchased the home-use versions 
of Icarus Films' Dark Star: HR Giger's World, Red Knot, and A Spell To Ward Off 
The Darkness. I don't see those titles in Overdrive, so if they were not on 
Blu-ray or DVD, we wouldn't have added them.

Is this info helpful?

Mike

Michael May
Adult Services Librarian
Carnegie-Stout Public Library
360 West 11th Street
Dubuque, IA 52001-4697, USA
Phone: 563-589-4225 ext. 2244
Fax: 563-589-4217
Email: m...@dubuque.lib.ia.us


From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] 
on behalf of Elizabeth McMahon [elizmcma...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 3:36 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu; Dennis Doros; elizab...@bullfrogfilms.com
Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs?

I have tried to keep up with this discussion, and so far I have not seen any 
mention of streaming and public library collections. I frankly have no idea if 
public libraries are collecting, to the extent possible, streamed titles for 
patrons to access remotely. I am aware only of Overdrive, which has been around 
for many years, and was predominantly second and third tier titles and public 
domain features. Can anyone address this? I would be especially keen hearing 
from Jim Davis of Docuseek and the man from Icarus who posed this original 
kernel for a most fruitful discussion. I'd be very interested in hearing from 
Criterion, Swank, Kanopy and the more traditional "independent" and educational 
distributors, like Dennis Doros at Milestone and Elizabeth Stanley at Bullfrog, 
and anyone from Filmmakers Library (though I know they are repped by Alexander 
St. Press). And of course i would love to hear from public librarians 
responsible for acquisitions.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Bergman, Barbara J 
> wrote:
I think the one clear answer we’ve gotten out of this discussion is that there 
is no one right answer.  Academic libraries are pretty diverse. ☺


Barb Bergman | Media Services & Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State 
University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | 
barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.




--
Elizabeth


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relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Current DVDs on Cyber-security?

[Kyle Greenberg]

Hey Meghann, 

If you¹re yet to do so I highly recommend checking out our latest release
DEEP WEB: www.deepwebthemovie.com. Delving into the trial of alleged Silk
Road creator, Ross Ulbricht, the film covers everything from cyber
security to digital law enforcement, crypto currency and more. I¹d be
happy to send you a private screener if of interest!

All the best, 
Kyle

Kyle Greenberg
BOND/360
Direct: 212-354-2137
Main: 212-354-2650


ky...@bondinfluence.com 






On 11/4/15, 9:00 AM, "videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu on behalf of
Meghann Matwichuk"  wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>An appeal to the CW -- does anyone have any recommendations for
>*current* (produced within the last few years) DVDs on cyber-security
>issues?  We've found a few -- the Teaching Company has a course from
>2013, for instance -- but any thoughts are welcome.
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>-- 
>Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
>Associate Librarian
>Interim Head, Multimedia Collections and Services Department
>Morris Library, University of Delaware
>181 S. College Ave.
>Newark, DE 19717
>(302) 831-1475
>http://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo
>http://library.udel.edu/multimedia
>
>
>VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
>libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
>as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel
>of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
>producers and distributors.


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs?

[Reynolds, Jo Ann]

We have changed our policy and will rarely, and only under certain 
circumstances, purchase the stream for feature films. Students can get them so 
much cheaper on demand when needed and we’re not going crazy trying to keep up 
with the licenses needed for class use.

Best,
Jo Ann

Jo Ann Reynolds
Reserve Services Coordinator
University of Connecticut
Homer Babbidge Library
369 Fairfield Road, Unit 1005RR
Storrs, CT  06269-1005
860-486-1406 voice
860-486-0584 fax



From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 5:46 PM
To: brian Bolling; videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs?

Another issue is that this seems all directed (understandably) and non fiction 
"educational media" For the most part feature films ( including many 
documentaries) are only not available with lifetime streaming and there is zero 
chance major studios would ever do it and in my mind little chance many indie 
feature and foreign rights holder would. You have a wide range of issues from 
say Citizen Kane to  Wild Strawberries were you can get a physical DVD and 
streaming rights of usually a year ( maybe  3 on Wild not sure), then you have 
the issue we have discussed where say Sony Classics won't ever license for 
streaming and Netflix won't make physical DVD copies. Basically I think 
everyone needs to be flexible but again I strongly advice buying a physical 
copy whenever you can.




On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Brian W Boling 
> wrote:
One factor that I haven't yet seen in this discussion is the continued 
existence of the digital divide.

Working at an institution that has a high population of first generation 
college students, I'm well aware that our patrons don't always have robust 
enough home internet to watch streaming videos.  For this reason, and also 
because we've run into occasional issues with classroom computer firewalls not 
allowing the use of a stream, I typically try to buy the DVD of any title I 
license for streaming.
A print-on-demand option, if available, would help to lessen these concerns.
Brian.

Brian Boling
Media Services Librarian
Temple University Libraries
brian.bol...@temple.edu
Schedule a meeting during my office 
hours


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs?

[Meghann Matwichuk]

I've always thought of a Library's role (especially an academic 
library's) as having two important facets that can be boiled down to:  
access now and access over time.  I realize that many factors come into 
play when determining the balance of those two factors (budget, space, 
staffing, etc.), but it concerns me that there seems to be fewer and 
fewer who are concerned about / able to consider that second factor, the 
"preservation" factor.  I am still very much a 'hard copy' person for 
that reason -- due to the many vagaries of streaming licensing, etc. it 
is largely (or wholly, in many cases) an ephemeral product -- great for 
'right now', but what happens down the line?  I realize that the optical 
disc format is less-than-ideal as far as preservation goes, but it beats 
a one- or three-year license by a long shot.  (Very few vendors are able 
to offer files in perpetuity.)

So yes, Jonathan, please consider a print-on-demand service.  Hard copy 
is still extremely highly valued by many.

-- 
Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
Associate Librarian
Interim Head, Multimedia Collections and Services Department
Morris Library, University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475
http://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo
http://library.udel.edu/multimedia


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs?

[Laura Jenemann]

Hi everyone,

Major thanks to Jonathan Miller and the rest of the list for starting and 
creating a wonderful discussion.  This discussion in and of itself could serve 
as a how-to guide for learning about streaming media in libraries.

Regards,
Laura

Laura Jenemann
Media, Film Studies, and Dance Librarian
George Mason University
703-993-7593
ljene...@gmu.edu

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Brian W Boling
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 5:30 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs?

One factor that I haven't yet seen in this discussion is the continued 
existence of the digital divide.

Working at an institution that has a high population of first generation 
college students, I'm well aware that our patrons don't always have robust 
enough home internet to watch streaming videos.  For this reason, and also 
because we've run into occasional issues with classroom computer firewalls not 
allowing the use of a stream, I typically try to buy the DVD of any title I 
license for streaming.
A print-on-demand option, if available, would help to lessen these concerns.
Brian.

Brian Boling
Media Services Librarian
Temple University Libraries
brian.bol...@temple.edu
Schedule a meeting during my office 
hours

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

[Videolib] Current DVDs on Cyber-security?

[Meghann Matwichuk]

Hi All,

An appeal to the CW -- does anyone have any recommendations for 
*current* (produced within the last few years) DVDs on cyber-security 
issues?  We've found a few -- the Teaching Company has a course from 
2013, for instance -- but any thoughts are welcome.

Thanks in advance!

-- 
Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
Associate Librarian
Interim Head, Multimedia Collections and Services Department
Morris Library, University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475
http://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo
http://library.udel.edu/multimedia


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Current DVDs on Cyber-security?

[Reynolds, Jo Ann]

Depending on the topic's slant you might consider:

Peep Culture - Sally Blake, Peep Me Productions, 2011
Terms and Conditions May Apply, Ro*co Films
Frontline high stakes in cyberspace, 1995
Protecting Our Rights what goes on the internet?, 1998, National Issues Forums 
Institute, VHS
Are we safer in the dark? A Sunshine Week national dialogue on open government 
& secrecy, 2006, 
Take back your power, BibPitcher Films, 2014
Secrecy, 2008, Bullfrog
NOW with Bill Moyers, 2003
After 9/11, 2003, Watson Institute for Internationsl Studies at Brown Univ.
Data Mining big data's increasing challenge and payoff, 2012, FMG
That's news to me transformation of journalism in a wired society, 2008, FMG
Google and the World Brain, 2013, Media Education Foundation
Spying on the Home Front, PBS, Rick Young

Best,
Jo Ann

Jo Ann Reynolds
Reserve Services Coordinator
University of Connecticut
Homer Babbidge Library
369 Fairfield Road, Unit 1005RR
Storrs, CT  06269-1005
860-486-1406 voice
860-486-0584 fax


-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Meghann Matwichuk
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:00 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Current DVDs on Cyber-security?

Hi All,

An appeal to the CW -- does anyone have any recommendations for
*current* (produced within the last few years) DVDs on cyber-security issues?  
We've found a few -- the Teaching Company has a course from 2013, for instance 
-- but any thoughts are welcome.

Thanks in advance!

--
Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
Associate Librarian
Interim Head, Multimedia Collections and Services Department Morris Library, 
University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475
http://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo
http://library.udel.edu/multimedia


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs?

[Susan Albrecht]

Jim,

I would say that you're correct in that statement about most of the limitations 
which have been identified relating to implementation over the actual streamed 
format.  However, I would add that there have been faculty concerns expressed 
about streaming which relate more to quality - or perhaps "quality of 
experience."  For instance, our film studies profs definitely seem to prefer a 
blu-ray disc to streaming, simply for the quality of the image and sound.  
There have also been gripes about lack of chaptering and, yes, the lack of 
extras which tend to come with DVDs but not streamed editions.

Granted, these are more commonly expressed concerns with feature films, rather 
than with docs, but I thought it might be worth pointing out.  Kanopy, for 
instance, includes a lot of foreign film, Criterion Collection titles, etc., 
and these are areas where, along with Swank Digital Campus and Criterion on 
Demand, I hear both kudos about convenience and simultaneous user access AND 
complaints about missing features and somewhat lower quality during projection. 
 (I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with these; just reporting what I hear.)

Lastly, I don't think the management of licenses can be pooh-poohed at all.  
I'm not saying that you were doing that, but it's worth noting that, from all I 
hear, management of those licenses can become nightmare'ish.  Not everyone has 
the personnel or campus structure to support that management, and it can 
decidedly add to the cost in terms of employee hours required.

Susan Albrecht
Graduate Fellowship Advisor
Library Media Acquisitions Manager
Wabash College Lilly Library
765-361-6216 (acquisitions) / 765-361-6297 (fellowships)
765-361-6295 fax
albre...@wabash.edu
Twitter:  @Wab_Fellowships
www.facebook.com/wabashcollegelibrary.films

***
"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." --Neil Peart
***

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jim Davis
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:53 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs?

It is very useful to hear the perspective of media librarians on this question.

It sounds to me like most of the limitations of streaming mentioned are not a 
feature of streaming per se, but the way it has been implemented by different 
vendors.

For example, there is no technical reason why supplemental materials found on 
DVDs can not be released for streaming along with the main work. And certainly 
any text-based supplemental materials like transcripts or whatever work much 
better via a browser than a DVD.

Nor is there is any technical reason why single titles cannot be licensed for 
life-of-file without licensing an entire collection / database / catalogue.

While digital data seems ephemeral, in practice it has been anything but, as 
the persistence of all sorts of data on the Internet has shown. A digital file 
is easily preservable and not tied to any specific physical medium, but easily 
re-born, as it were, as new playback devices appear.

As to ownership, there is no reason why a file can not be delivered along with 
a life-of-file license. Depending on the license terms (and this I realize is a 
very big caveat), the file potentially is your fall-back against the streaming 
platform dropping the film, assuming you can work out other arrangements for 
delivering the content (either via a local solution or a third party service). 
If you possess the file, and depending on the rights negotiated, the 
disappearance of the streaming platform does not seem different from the 
disappearance of the means to view any particular medium, whether it be 16mm 
projectors or VHS decks or possibly DVD drives.

I can see where there might be more overhead in dealing with single streaming 
licenses than with individual DVDs (certainly for whatever reason sorting out 
license agreements with institutions is more complicated), but those 
limitations seem more historical or institutional than a problem with the 
format per se.


Jim Davis
Docuseek2


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Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs?

[Jim Davis]

It is very useful to hear the perspective of media librarians on this question. 

It sounds to me like most of the limitations of streaming mentioned are not a 
feature of streaming per se, but the way it has been implemented by different 
vendors. 

For example, there is no technical reason why supplemental materials found on 
DVDs can not be released for streaming along with the main work. And certainly 
any text-based supplemental materials like transcripts or whatever work much 
better via a browser than a DVD.

Nor is there is any technical reason why single titles cannot be licensed for 
life-of-file without licensing an entire collection / database / catalogue. 

While digital data seems ephemeral, in practice it has been anything but, as 
the persistence of all sorts of data on the Internet has shown. A digital file 
is easily preservable and not tied to any specific physical medium, but easily 
re-born, as it were, as new playback devices appear.

As to ownership, there is no reason why a file can not be delivered along with 
a life-of-file license. Depending on the license terms (and this I realize is a 
very big caveat), the file potentially is your fall-back against the streaming 
platform dropping the film, assuming you can work out other arrangements for 
delivering the content (either via a local solution or a third party service). 
If you possess the file, and depending on the rights negotiated, the 
disappearance of the streaming platform does not seem different from the 
disappearance of the means to view any particular medium, whether it be 16mm 
projectors or VHS decks or possibly DVD drives.

I can see where there might be more overhead in dealing with single streaming 
licenses than with individual DVDs (certainly for whatever reason sorting out 
license agreements with institutions is more complicated), but those 
limitations seem more historical or institutional than a problem with the 
format per se.


Jim Davis
Docuseek2


On Nov 4, 2015, at 7:46 AM, Meghann Matwichuk wrote:

> I've always thought of a Library's role (especially an academic 
> library's) as having two important facets that can be boiled down to:  
> access now and access over time.  I realize that many factors come into 
> play when determining the balance of those two factors (budget, space, 
> staffing, etc.), but it concerns me that there seems to be fewer and 
> fewer who are concerned about / able to consider that second factor, the 
> "preservation" factor.  I am still very much a 'hard copy' person for 
> that reason -- due to the many vagaries of streaming licensing, etc. it 
> is largely (or wholly, in many cases) an ephemeral product -- great for 
> 'right now', but what happens down the line?  I realize that the optical 
> disc format is less-than-ideal as far as preservation goes, but it beats 
> a one- or three-year license by a long shot.  (Very few vendors are able 
> to offer files in perpetuity.)
> 
> So yes, Jonathan, please consider a print-on-demand service.  Hard copy 
> is still extremely highly valued by many.
> 
> -- 
> Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
> Associate Librarian
> Interim Head, Multimedia Collections and Services Department
> Morris Library, University of Delaware
> 181 S. College Ave.
> Newark, DE 19717
> (302) 831-1475
> http://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo
> http://library.udel.edu/multimedia
> 
> 
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
> distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs?

[Jim Davis]

I'm not pooh-poohing (great verb BTW)(nor did I think you were saying that I 
was) -- I am very sympathetic to this being an issue for librarians in having 
to deal with streaming. And it's true on our side of the transaction as well -- 
one of the big hassles for us is having to work through a license agreement 
with most customers. And I don't recall this ever being an issue when a school 
bought a DVD. I suppose part of the reason is that streaming is a descendent of 
other e-resources, and DVD has descended from books and video. And the 
possibilities of what can be done with an e-resource (testament in itself to 
the flexibility of digital formats) has spawned a legal golem to rein it in?

Jim Davis
Docuseek2


On Nov 4, 2015, at 11:11 AM, Susan Albrecht wrote:

> Jim,
>  
> I would say that you’re correct in that statement about most of the 
> limitations which have been identified relating to implementation over the 
> actual streamed format.  However, I would add that there have been faculty 
> concerns expressed about streaming which relate more to quality – or perhaps 
> “quality of experience.”  For instance, our film studies profs definitely 
> seem to prefer a blu-ray disc to streaming, simply for the quality of the 
> image and sound.  There have also been gripes about lack of chaptering and, 
> yes, the lack of extras which tend to come with DVDs but not streamed 
> editions. 
>  
> Granted, these are more commonly expressed concerns with feature films, 
> rather than with docs, but I thought it might be worth pointing out.  Kanopy, 
> for instance, includes a lot of foreign film, Criterion Collection titles, 
> etc., and these are areas where, along with Swank Digital Campus and 
> Criterion on Demand, I hear both kudos about convenience and simultaneous 
> user access AND complaints about missing features and somewhat lower quality 
> during projection.  (I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with these; just 
> reporting what I hear.)
>  
> Lastly, I don’t think the management of licenses can be pooh-poohed at all.  
> I’m not saying that you were doing that, but it’s worth noting that, from all 
> I hear, management of those licenses can become nightmare’ish.  Not everyone 
> has the personnel or campus structure to support that management, and it can 
> decidedly add to the cost in terms of employee hours required.
>  
> Susan Albrecht
> Graduate Fellowship Advisor
> Library Media Acquisitions Manager
> Wabash College Lilly Library
> 765-361-6216 (acquisitions) / 765-361-6297 (fellowships)
> 765-361-6295 fax
> albre...@wabash.edu
> Twitter:  @Wab_Fellowships
> www.facebook.com/wabashcollegelibrary.films
>  
> ***
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." --Neil Peart
> ***
>  
> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
> [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jim Davis
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 11:53 AM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs?
>  
> It is very useful to hear the perspective of media librarians on this 
> question. 
>  
> It sounds to me like most of the limitations of streaming mentioned are not a 
> feature of streaming per se, but the way it has been implemented by different 
> vendors. 
>  
> For example, there is no technical reason why supplemental materials found on 
> DVDs can not be released for streaming along with the main work. And 
> certainly any text-based supplemental materials like transcripts or whatever 
> work much better via a browser than a DVD.
>  
> Nor is there is any technical reason why single titles cannot be licensed for 
> life-of-file without licensing an entire collection / database / catalogue. 
>  
> While digital data seems ephemeral, in practice it has been anything but, as 
> the persistence of all sorts of data on the Internet has shown. A digital 
> file is easily preservable and not tied to any specific physical medium, but 
> easily re-born, as it were, as new playback devices appear.
>  
> As to ownership, there is no reason why a file can not be delivered along 
> with a life-of-file license. Depending on the license terms (and this I 
> realize is a very big caveat), the file potentially is your fall-back against 
> the streaming platform dropping the film, assuming you can work out other 
> arrangements for delivering the content (either via a local solution or a 
> third party service). If you possess the file, and depending on the rights 
> negotiated, the disappearance of the streaming platform does not seem 
> different from the disappearance of the means to view any particular medium, 
> whether it be 16mm projectors or VHS decks or possibly DVD drives.
>  
> I can see where there might be more overhead in dealing with single streaming 
> licenses than with individual DVDs (certainly for whatever reason sorting out