[Videolib] Blu ray questions
I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
Jessica, The New York Film Academy is a blu-ray campus in that we have blu-ray players in all of the classrooms and it's our preferred medium for discs. In addition to providing the highest visual and audio quality I love that in my year and half here we've *never* needed to clean them due to scratches or playback issues. I'm pretty sure we could hitch our blu-ray collection to a truck, drag them over an asphalt road, and then have a movie marathon. They're really well constructed. Anyway, the school does upkeep on the players and any that need to be replaced are done so with a quick turnaround time. Since going in this direction we've been able to not only allow for playability for both standard DVDs and blu-rays but it's given me the opportunity to make acquiring blu-ray versions a priority (although we will get the DVD/blu-ray combo packs if available). Hopefully some of that helps. Best regards. *Josh Moorman* *Head Librarian* *New York Film Academy - Los Angeles* *Robert K. Hartman Library* *josh.moor...@nyfa.edu* *(818) 295-2021* On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.comwrote: I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
Thanks Josh Unfortunately I suspect you are an outlier. Blu ray is of course common for feature films which I imagine is mostly what you use, alas not common at all for educational video My film is basically both and the producers wanted to do it in the best available format visually but alas the market is going to mostly academic instructors in certain fields but not much in film studies. Thanks again for the info. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Josh Moorman josh.moor...@nyfa.edu wrote: Jessica, The New York Film Academy is a blu-ray campus in that we have blu-ray players in all of the classrooms and it's our preferred medium for discs. In addition to providing the highest visual and audio quality I love that in my year and half here we've *never* needed to clean them due to scratches or playback issues. I'm pretty sure we could hitch our blu-ray collection to a truck, drag them over an asphalt road, and then have a movie marathon. They're really well constructed. Anyway, the school does upkeep on the players and any that need to be replaced are done so with a quick turnaround time. Since going in this direction we've been able to not only allow for playability for both standard DVDs and blu-rays but it's given me the opportunity to make acquiring blu-ray versions a priority (although we will get the DVD/blu-ray combo packs if available). Hopefully some of that helps. Best regards. *Josh Moorman* *Head Librarian* *New York Film Academy - Los Angeles* *Robert K. Hartman Library* *josh.moor...@nyfa.edu* *(818) 295-2021* On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com wrote: I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
Unfortunately you're right, Jessica -- my institution does not have the same take as Mr. Moorman's. The Library is not given input into how classrooms are outfitted or what technologies are supported. Few classrooms are currently outfitted with Bluray players at UD, and the Library is not purchasing streaming on a title-by-title basis. If we were to purchase a Bluray where no standard disc was available, it would cause problems for many patrons / instructors who might be interested in the title. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo On 10/22/2013 1:45 PM, Jessica Rosner wrote: Thanks Josh Unfortunately I suspect you are an outlier. Blu ray is of course common for feature films which I imagine is mostly what you use, alas not common at all for educational video My film is basically both and the producers wanted to do it in the best available format visually but alas the market is going to mostly academic instructors in certain fields but not much in film studies. Thanks again for the info. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Josh Moorman josh.moor...@nyfa.edu mailto:josh.moor...@nyfa.edu wrote: Jessica, The New York Film Academy is a blu-ray campus in that we have blu-ray players in all of the classrooms and it's our preferred medium for discs. In addition to providing the highest visual and audio quality I love that in my year and half here we've /never/ needed to clean them due to scratches or playback issues. I'm pretty sure we could hitch our blu-ray collection to a truck, drag them over an asphalt road, and then have a movie marathon. They're really well constructed. Anyway, the school does upkeep on the players and any that need to be replaced are done so with a quick turnaround time. Since going in this direction we've been able to not only allow for playability for both standard DVDs and blu-rays but it's given me the opportunity to make acquiring blu-ray versions a priority (although we will get the DVD/blu-ray combo packs if available). Hopefully some of that helps. Best regards. *Josh Moorman* *Head Librarian* *New York Film Academy - Los Angeles* *Robert K. Hartman Library* *josh.moor...@nyfa.edu mailto:josh.moor...@nyfa.edu* *(818) 295-2021 tel:%28818%29%20295-2021* On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com wrote: I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 tel:224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 tel:212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
If I was a cash strapped University I'd hitch my wagon to streaming. Hard copy, no matter the quality, will ultimately go away. Can you obtain the rights to stream in HD Jessica? Bob Robert A. Norris Managing Director Film Ideas, Inc. Phone: (847) 419-0255 Email: b...@filmideas.com Web:www.filmideas.com From: Meghann Matwichuk mtw...@udel.edu Date: October 22, 2013 1:15:27 PM CDT To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Unfortunately you're right, Jessica -- my institution does not have the same take as Mr. Moorman's. The Library is not given input into how classrooms are outfitted or what technologies are supported. Few classrooms are currently outfitted with Bluray players at UD, and the Library is not purchasing streaming on a title-by-title basis. If we were to purchase a Bluray where no standard disc was available, it would cause problems for many patrons / instructors who might be interested in the title. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
Producers have all the rights in perpetuity but I don't think they want to manage their own streaming and certainly don't want to sub license it so I suspect it will only work for schools that stream on their own system but I agree that streaming should be better for schools that can do it. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Bob Norris b...@filmideas.com wrote: If I was a cash strapped University I'd hitch my wagon to streaming. Hard copy, no matter the quality, will ultimately go away. Can you obtain the rights to stream in HD Jessica? Bob *Robert A. Norris* Managing Director Film Ideas, Inc. Phone: (847) 419-0255 Email: b...@filmideas.com Web: www.filmideas.com *From: *Meghann Matwichuk mtw...@udel.edu *Date: *October 22, 2013 1:15:27 PM CDT *To: *videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Subject: **Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions* *Reply-To: *videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Unfortunately you're right, Jessica -- my institution does not have the same take as Mr. Moorman's. The Library is not given input into how classrooms are outfitted or what technologies are supported. Few classrooms are currently outfitted with Bluray players at UD, and the Library is not purchasing streaming on a title-by-title basis. If we were to purchase a Bluray where no standard disc was available, it would cause problems for many patrons / instructors who might be interested in the title. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
Hi Jessica, Best of luck on your cryptic endeavor! As we're a relatively small University (around 3,000 students at capacity) we are at the mercy of our IT department when it comes to what is available in classrooms and they are currently only partially supporting DVD and are talking about removing that support by 2015 for some as yet unnamed technology, possibly something having to do with streaming but they don't throw much information my way and tend to ignore me when I ask. Most of our classrooms have a data projector with an empty wall plate and the teachers are required to bring their own laptop or player (which was not the case when I was in charge of AV for the campus--I inherited both the Media Librarian and AV support role from someone else and then IT grabbed control of the AV support a few years back.) Individual departments sometimes spring for players or PCs for the classrooms that are in their particular buildings. Currently we have only about two or three Blu Ray titles in our collection and two of them were combo packs with a DVD version available. We have a Blu Ray player at our Media Carrels for students to view our Blu Rays (and their own or outside disks) and we have another Blu Ray in our large meeting room. As far as I know the rest of the campus is still using DVD (where available) and we actually still have quite a few teachers who use only VHS! Those teachers who use VHS have classrooms that are only for their department and have a say in what technology is installed and they usually have DVD/VHS combo decks. I honestly have nothing at all against Blu Ray and I would be installing decks all over campus if I had a say since they are no longer terribly expensive and they will play DVDs just fine and can provide for the excellent quality of Blu Ray when titles are available on that format. Most independent titles that teachers like are only released on DVDR but I have specifically tried them on one of our Blu Ray decks (just out of curiosity) and have never come across a problem. I think a lot of the opposition to installing Blu Ray players across campuses is due to the constantly changing technologies and the belief that something new will soon appear to make Blu Ray obsolete and the money spent will have been wasted. We're about at the time where any DVD players that are still installed on campus will be wearing down and if I was still in charge of AV support I would recommend replacing them with Blu Ray where possible (save for the combo decks that I would try to replace with same for certain teachers) and we would then have the ability to play both DVD and Blu Ray and we would be spending per deck around the same amount of money we had paid for the original DVD decks back when they were the big up and coming super technology of a new generation. Blu Ray is actually great and I love it and I would recommend it for across campus use if I was holding the purse strings. In a somewhat related sense I'm noticing that a lot of the newer cameras teachers are using for archival video, student projects, and distance learning will only film in the AVCHD (I believe that's what it is) format, which will only play on Blu Ray decks. That tells me that Blu Ray is an important technology that will be around for a good deal of time and, since it can play DVD already, can play our substantial DVD collection with no problems and make way for all the newer titles that may only be available on Blu Ray (big studio titles, obviously, but maybe some independent filmmakers will film in AVCHD.) I have recommended to Library administration that we purchase a third Blu Ray deck for checkout to teachers but I've been told repeatedly that such a thing would be IT's responsibility--which I understand but they won't do it. We also do not have enough Blu Ray titles in our collection to warrant such an action, so I've been told (although I'm the person who hears all the complaints from teachers who can't play videos because IT refuses to install anything that will allow them to play what they want and I just want to be helpful dang it!) Many people also remember the days when I nearly killed myself to get them anything and everything they needed for classroom support so they hope I can do something, which I really can't anymore. So the main problem I have with Blu Ray is that those who are in charge of our smart rooms on campus have no faith in it (or in anything save for a non existent technology that may or may not come to fruition within two years' time.) I would prefer to concentrate on an existing technology that is proven and will play our collection NOW so that our teachers can have all the media they need for their classes so, if given the choice, I would love to have Blu Ray players replace our aging DVD players that are still installed in our older smart rooms--and I would try to put them in the rooms that currently have nothing but a wall plate! That would still give us many years
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
We do not have a single Blu-Ray player on campus. I've been asking for 2 years now. All classrooms are equipped with dual VHS=DVD players, and I suspect when they go, they'll be replaced with whatever is sturdy and reliable, whatever that may be. I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping or dirt problems - that's an interesting observation. Aside from feature films, though, I've not seen educational release documentaries being available in Blu-Ray. If it cost extra, we wouldn't be in favour of that choice, though, unless the whole campus was refitted with Blu-Ray players. Susan Susan Weber Media Librarian Library T 604.323.5533 F 604.323.5512 swe...@langara.bc.ca mailto:Susan Weber swe...@langara.bc.ca Langara. http://www.langara.bc.ca 100 West 49th Avenue, Vancouver, BC, V5Y 2Z6 Please consider the environment before printing. CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately and delete this email from your system. On 22/10/2013 10:06 AM, Jessica Rosner wrote: I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray questions
Jessica: I don't think it has anything to do with like or dislike. It has more to do with availability and budget, and of course, as others have said, who makes the decisions. We have no Blu-ray players in either institution (community college and university) unless someone has requested them for a specific purpose. The library has no Blu-ray DVDs and we don't order videos that don't also have DVD capability. Although I think we are a long way off from eschewing DVD format, and we still have way too many VHS tapes, I also don't think Blu-ray will be the replacement. Jennifer Foster Media Librarian Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library 361.570.4195 http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu Message: 4 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:06:22 -0400 From: Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com Subject: [Videolib] Blu ray questions To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Message-ID: CACRe6m_4=sJ8kLj=apse-kxkln773fsr-sqg9_e_f3pbbkw...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions -- durability tangent
Susan wrote: I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping or dirt problems - that's an interesting observation. I've actually heard the opposite -- that Blu-ray are actually *more* sensitive and prone to problems. That was a concern for me when we began our (limited) collection of Blu-ray discs, but it hasn't turned out that way. Very rarely do I need to clean / resurface Blu-rays. I've been supposing that this was due to their (generally) low circ-rate, and not their durability, though. I'd be interested in hearing if others have observations on this front. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo On 10/22/2013 2:50 PM, Susan Weber wrote: We do not have a single Blu-Ray player on campus. I've been asking for 2 years now. All classrooms are equipped with dual VHS=DVD players, and I suspect when they go, they'll be replaced with whatever is sturdy and reliable, whatever that may be. I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping or dirt problems - that's an interesting observation. Aside from feature films, though, I've not seen educational release documentaries being available in Blu-Ray. If it cost extra, we wouldn't be in favour of that choice, though, unless the whole campus was refitted with Blu-Ray players. Susan Susan Weber Media Librarian Library T 604.323.5533 F 604.323.5512 swe...@langara.bc.ca mailto:Susan Weber swe...@langara.bc.ca VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray questions
Dislike was the wrong word to use. I realize it is a tech financial issue. I just want to clarify this is not a combo pack. Basically it is documentary with some extras that will be on DVD and a fairly massive library of extras which basically constitute a mini archive that will only be on Blu ray. It was a compromise of a difficult situation but I still hope that students or instructors who want access to the material that is blu ray only and would likely be for research will find a way to access it though it certainly sounds like a bitch. I really appreciate everyone's input. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Foster, Jennifer fost...@uhv.edu wrote: Jessica: I don't think it has anything to do with like or dislike. It has more to do with availability and budget, and of course, as others have said, who makes the decisions. We have no Blu-ray players in either institution (community college and university) unless someone has requested them for a specific purpose. The library has no Blu-ray DVDs and we don't order videos that don't also have DVD capability. Although I think we are a long way off from eschewing DVD format, and we still have way too many VHS tapes, I also don't think Blu-ray will be the replacement. Jennifer Foster Media Librarian Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library 361.570.4195 http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu Message: 4 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:06:22 -0400 From: Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com Subject: [Videolib] Blu ray questions To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Message-ID: CACRe6m_4=sJ8kLj= apse-kxkln773fsr-sqg9_e_f3pbbkw...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions -- durability tangent
Meghann, My understanding is that there is a scratch resistant coating on blu-ray discs which make them especially scratch resistant. My experience with our library which frequently circulates blu-ray discs and standard DVDs has held that the blu-ray titles, probably because of the coating, never (not hyperbole. I've never had a scratch problem) have these kinds of issues. On the flip-side, there is a special place in hell for DVD dual discs which seem to to get covered in scratches by the act of my looking at them. That could just be my experience, though, and I'm sure we all have different takes on this. Best. *Josh Moorman* *Head Librarian* *New York Film Academy - Los Angeles* *Robert K. Hartman Library* *josh.moor...@nyfa.edu* *(818) 295-2021* On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Meghann Matwichuk mtw...@udel.edu wrote: Susan wrote: I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping or dirt problems - that's an interesting observation. I've actually heard the opposite -- that Blu-ray are actually *more* sensitive and prone to problems. That was a concern for me when we began our (limited) collection of Blu-ray discs, but it hasn't turned out that way. Very rarely do I need to clean / resurface Blu-rays. I've been supposing that this was due to their (generally) low circ-rate, and not their durability, though. I'd be interested in hearing if others have observations on this front. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo On 10/22/2013 2:50 PM, Susan Weber wrote: We do not have a single Blu-Ray player on campus. I've been asking for 2 years now. All classrooms are equipped with dual VHS=DVD players, and I suspect when they go, they'll be replaced with whatever is sturdy and reliable, whatever that may be. I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping or dirt problems - that's an interesting observation. Aside from feature films, though, I've not seen educational release documentaries being available in Blu-Ray. If it cost extra, we wouldn't be in favour of that choice, though, unless the whole campus was refitted with Blu-Ray players. Susan Susan Weber Media Librarian Library T 604.323.5533 F 604.323.5512swe...@langara.bc.ca mailto:Susan Susan Weber swe...@langara.bc.ca swe...@langara.bc.ca VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- *Josh Moorman* *Head Librarian* *New York Film Academy - Los Angeles* *Robert K. Hartman Library* *josh.moor...@nyfa.edu* *(818) 295-2021* VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions -- durability tangent
Good to know / hear -- I am super glad to be wrong on this one! The only titles we have problems with are things like Disney or Dreamworks, but this because of the audience and not the technology. Anything that could be considered a 'kids movie' is going to take a beating -- I've had to buff more jelly fingerprints off Kung Fu Panda than I can count (without taking off my shoes, at any rate). -- Meghann On 10/22/2013 3:57 PM, Josh Moorman wrote: Meghann, My understanding is that there is a scratch resistant coating on blu-ray discs which make them especially scratch resistant. My experience with our library which frequently circulates blu-ray discs and standard DVDs has held that the blu-ray titles, probably because of the coating, never (not hyperbole. I've never had a scratch problem) have these kinds of issues. On the flip-side, there is a special place in hell for DVD dual discs which seem to to get covered in scratches by the act of my looking at them. That could just be my experience, though, and I'm sure we all have different takes on this. Best. *Josh Moorman* *Head Librarian* *New York Film Academy - Los Angeles* *Robert K. Hartman Library* *josh.moor...@nyfa.edu mailto:josh.moor...@nyfa.edu* *(818) 295-2021 tel:%28818%29%20295-2021* On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Meghann Matwichuk mtw...@udel.edu mailto:mtw...@udel.edu wrote: Susan wrote: I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping or dirt problems - that's an interesting observation. I've actually heard the opposite -- that Blu-ray are actually *more* sensitive and prone to problems. That was a concern for me when we began our (limited) collection of Blu-ray discs, but it hasn't turned out that way. Very rarely do I need to clean / resurface Blu-rays. I've been supposing that this was due to their (generally) low circ-rate, and not their durability, though. I'd be interested in hearing if others have observations on this front. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 tel:%28302%29%20831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray questions
Hello Jessica, A quick keyword search for 'Blu-ray' in our catalog pulls up over 1,800 results, and this may be close to correct. We order Blu-rays instead of DVDs whenever possible. We do not have a problem making Blu-ray players available for classrooms. I am not aware of any problems relating to durability. Some of the issues that we have encountered are: 1. Blu-rays (and now DVDs) frequently are sold with Digital Copy and/or UltraViolet discs, which we do not circulate. 2. When a film needs to be streamed for a class, it takes longer to stream a Blu-ray than a DVD. If a class needs a title streamed in a hurry, the DVD version probably will be the streamed version. 3. Many Blu-rays are sold in Blu-ray/DVD combo packs, and there is a problem with patrons checking out the packs and then losing/damaging one disc. In the future, our Media department plans to split up the discs and circulate them separately. 4. We do not have multi-region Blu-ray players and so only purchase Region A Blu-rays. 5. Some Blu-ray versions of classic films have been altered from their original form (for example, the 2009 release of The French Connection: http://www.examiner.com/article/addendum-to-march-6th-blu-ray-releases-new-wall-street-french-connection-bds, which was corrected later), and we have to read more customer reviews to make sure of the quality of what we are ordering. Michael S. Phillips Library Associate I Monographic Acquisitions Division Texas AM University acqmo...@library.tamu.edumailto:acqmo...@library.tamu.edu 5000 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-5000 Tel. 979.845.1343 ext. 151 | Fax. 979.845.5310 http://library.tamu.edu From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 2:43 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray questions Dislike was the wrong word to use. I realize it is a tech financial issue. I just want to clarify this is not a combo pack. Basically it is documentary with some extras that will be on DVD and a fairly massive library of extras which basically constitute a mini archive that will only be on Blu ray. It was a compromise of a difficult situation but I still hope that students or instructors who want access to the material that is blu ray only and would likely be for research will find a way to access it though it certainly sounds like a bitch. I really appreciate everyone's input. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Foster, Jennifer fost...@uhv.edumailto:fost...@uhv.edu wrote: Jessica: I don't think it has anything to do with like or dislike. It has more to do with availability and budget, and of course, as others have said, who makes the decisions. We have no Blu-ray players in either institution (community college and university) unless someone has requested them for a specific purpose. The library has no Blu-ray DVDs and we don't order videos that don't also have DVD capability. Although I think we are a long way off from eschewing DVD format, and we still have way too many VHS tapes, I also don't think Blu-ray will be the replacement. Jennifer Foster Media Librarian Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library 361.570.4195tel:361.570.4195 http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu Message: 4 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:06:22 -0400 From: Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com Subject: [Videolib] Blu ray questions To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Message-ID: CACRe6m_4=sJ8kLj=apse-kxkln773fsr-sqg9_e_f3pbbkw...@mail.gmail.commailto:apse-kxkln773fsr-sqg9_e_f3pbbkw...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897tel:224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785tel:212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
