Re: [VM] gmail issue

2012-11-12 Thread Uday Reddy
James Freer writes:

 Could this be a problem with the new gmail UI and the way it handles
 replies. I notice they've removed it for this weekend which makes me
 think there are some problems to be sorted. In which case your
 problem could disappear.

There do seem to be changes... and bugs.  The gmail IMAP server is not at
present responding to the LOGOUT command.  So, VM hangs waiting to hear back
from the server.  I hope they will fix this soon.

Mark Diekhans writes:

 Google groups doesn't send you a copy of your message when you
 post to a list.  We have been told they view this as a `feature'
 which there is no control over.
 
 Sounds like they added the same `feature' to gmail :-(

Yeah, I think they have made an ill-thought out change here.  There are
possible work-arounds in VM using virtual folders.  I will post them here
when I have them working.

Cheers,
Uday



Re: [VM] vm-mark-folder-modified-p

2012-11-12 Thread Julian Bradfield
On 2012-11-12, Uday Reddy usr.vm.ro...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have now modified `vm-quit' in the trunk to silently discard any changes
 to the folder (meta-data) if the folder is read-only.

 There are a couple of things about this that worry me.

 1. If you do vm-toggle-read-only for some reason or other, you might put the
 folder in read-only mode.  If you forget that you have done so and quit the
 folder, the changes that were made before putting it in read-only mode would
 be lost.  So, vm-toggle-read-only has now become a mildly unsafe operation.

This worries me too. I don't think one should confuse modification and
read-only. VM is an Emacs package, and people know how read-only and
modification interact in Emacs - it should be the same in VM.
I think I'll stick with my approach.




Re: [VM] gmail issue

2012-11-12 Thread James Freer

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Uday Reddy wrote:


James Freer writes:


Could this be a problem with the new gmail UI and the way it handles
replies. I notice they've removed it for this weekend which makes me
think there are some problems to be sorted. In which case your
problem could disappear.


There do seem to be changes... and bugs.  The gmail IMAP server is not at
present responding to the LOGOUT command.  So, VM hangs waiting to hear back
from the server.  I hope they will fix this soon.

Mark Diekhans writes:


Google groups doesn't send you a copy of your message when you
post to a list.  We have been told they view this as a `feature'
which there is no control over.

Sounds like they added the same `feature' to gmail :-(


Yeah, I think they have made an ill-thought out change here.  There are
possible work-arounds in VM using virtual folders.  I will post them here
when I have them working.

Cheers,
Uday

Uday

Trouble is you spend time doing mods for users and then gmail change things. I 
want to use VM but for the moment i've stayed with alpine. The last time we were 
in touch i was going to install Xubuntu 12.04 only to discover that it was still 
on Emacs 23. Stunnel gave trouble and Emacs 24 was solving this. I've had so 
much to do i haven't tried xubuntu 12.11 so the next upgrade for me will be 
13.04 when i hope to have VM running.


many thanks for all your hard work.
james