[VIHUELA] Test

2007-05-20 Thread Stewart McCoy
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[VIHUELA] Re: Early Music cover story

2007-05-20 Thread John Griffiths
Dear Vihuela list,
a few days ago William Bartlett contacted me following an exchange of  
ideas about Bermudo etc on this list. I thank him for contacting me  
because I didn't know that this particular mail group existed, so I  
have just joined up.

I also downloaded and read Michael Fink's paper with interest and  
have a bit of feedback. This business of stringing and tuning still  
has a bit further to travel, but it is good that someone has  
attempted to gather the information together. So, thank you Michael.

At the same time, I don't think we have it exactly right yet. The  
insuperable problem is that we still have insufficient information to  
be able to arrive at definitve conclusions. That means that we finish  
coming to our own beliefs about what was practised centuries ago.  
Beliefs, as distinct from knowledge, are more personal, and are often  
strongly coloured by our own views on the world.

What I would specifically like to comment upon in relation to  
Michael's paper has to do with taking a broader view of what the  
world sounded like four hundred years ago. Michael gives us some  
wonderful examples of cases where the four-course guitar needed to be  
simultaneously strung for re-entrant tuning and for use with  
bourdons. Somewhere in all of this is the fact that there was an  
increased desire during the sixteenth century to play serious  
composed music on an instrument probably originally conceived for (a)  
different function(s). The sixteenth-century repertory shows the  
great skill of composers and arrangers to make sophisticated music  
for a rather simple 4-course instrument with real limitations. For  
musicians with real concerns about hearing 6/4 sonorities where root- 
position harmonies are preferable, the solution was to buy a lute or  
a vihuela with more strings. If you couldn't, you probably just had  
to make do. The ear can learn to accept this compromise.

On the specific conclusion that Michael makes on pages 6-7 of his  
paper about Mudarra, I would suggest considering interpreting  
Mudarra's comment The guitar... has to have a bourdon on the fourth  
course as primarily aimed at getting players not to play with a  
fully re-entrant fourth course (both strings high). This to me is  
more important than whether the strings are unison bourdons or with  
bourdon + octave string. So, Michael, I would rethink or extend your  
paragraph on page 7 about the 1547 guitarist. He may have had both  
strings requintadas before reading Mudarra's statement.

Incidentally Michael, your example of the temple viejo on p. 7 needs  
the lowest course to be a tone lower, F rather than G.

The difference between unison bourdons and octaves needs also to be  
considered in terms of timbre rather than counterpoint: the purpose  
of octave strings is for sonority not for pitch. Nobody wanted to  
hear parallel octaves all the time. The purpose of octave strings is  
to reinforce the harmonic series of the bourdon, and to add duration  
to thicker gut basses that otherwise die away very quickly. My own  
experience with gut strings in the bass is that is also much harder  
to get two bass strings from gut that are in tune all the way along  
their length. My experience with Peruffo's loaded gut basses on my  
vihuela was not good when I tried unisons, but fantastic using the  
loaded gut bass with an octave string -- in terms of both pitch and  
sonority. Getting the tension right between the octave and the  
bourdon is part of the trick. If you hear the result as a bass plus  
and octave string, then I suggest the tension is not right. I think  
it should sound as one single blended sonority in which the sound of  
the octave string is but part of the total harmonic series.

I would also be more cautious about the speed with which the new  
overtook the old around 1600. We still have very large lute books  
being compiled and or published after 1600, and many players/ 
composers who were not interested in changing to the latest fashion.  
I would therefore suggest that Michael's interpretation of Cerreto's  
comments on the guitar need to be considered in a broader context.  
Naples was not fast in taking up the new Florentine style, and  
Neapolitan instrumental music appears to have maintained its densely  
Spanish character into the early 17th century. To me, Cerreto is  
telling us that the guitar in 1601 was still being played by some  
people with its old re-entrant tuning, perhaps in the same way as a  
century or more earlier when it replaced the original guitarra (ie.  
gittern = small lute) as the treble instrument in lute duos such as  
those in the Petrucci books.

In the continual process of revising our earlier opinions, I also  
recommend reading Renato Meucci who has recently published an  
important new study about Neapolitan guitar construction and  
evolution at about this period:
Da `chitarra italiana' a `chitarrone': una nuova interpretazione.  
Enrico 

[VIHUELA] baroque venezuela

2007-05-20 Thread bill kilpatrick
dear goombahs -

please have a listen to the video recordings made by
this poster in venezuela:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=danensago

.. the (3) latest videos are played on the piano but
in his previous videos, he plays all the instruments
himself (vihuela (?), violin, rhythm and (?)
harmonium.)  according to his profile he's 24 years
old.

he's recorded period pieces from south american
composers i've never heard of before.  

i don't know how HIP his approach is but it sounds
right to me ... to say nothing of bright, cheerful and
toe-tappingly-good.

- bill

http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/



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