[VIHUELA] Re: Composition of short songs in early 17th century Italy - was Marini - was Grenerin

2011-04-26 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Monica, The F major chord against the note d is simply a 65 chord on a bass F (as I mentioned earlier in this thread): this chord is extremely common at the time (and indeed many other times) as leading up to a cadential 43 chord. It is the body of contextural experience

[VIHUELA] Re: Composition of short songs in early 17th century Italy - was Marini - was Grenerin

2011-04-26 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Incidentally, I'm not suggesting bowed bass for the songs if the theorbo is present - only if the guitar is used without the theorbo. And if the guitar and theorbo were both present then the theorbo need only play the bass line - a mode which is documented. Indeed to avoid too much

[VIHUELA] Re: Composition of short songs in early 17th century Italy - was Marini - was Grenerin

2011-04-26 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Lex, My observations were withing the context of songs with an independent basso part in addition to the guitar alfabeto, such as the Marini 1622 collection. Clearly, if only the alfabeto were present then I'd generally expect only the guitar. I'd be very grateful if you'd

[VIHUELA] Re: Composition of short songs in early 17th century Italy - was Marini - was Grenerin

2011-04-26 Thread Monica Hall
Dear Martyn, The F major chord against the note d is simply a 65 chord on a bass F That is exactly what I said. It is the first inversion of a minor 7th chord on the 2nd degree of the scale and as you say it is very common in this repertoire. The notes which the chord includes are D

[VIHUELA] Re: Composition of short songs in early 17th century Italy - was Marini - was Grenerin

2011-04-26 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Dear Martyn My observations were withing the context of songs with an independent basso part in addition to the guitar alfabeto, such as the Marini 1622 collection. Clearly, if only the alfabeto were present then I'd generally expect only the guitar. I'd be very grateful if you'd read

[VIHUELA] Passing dissonances (was Marini, Granata etc)

2011-04-26 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Monica, O death, where is thy sting? These emails, between Lex, you and me are increasingly suffering from failure to read (or to digest) exactly what is being said: I don't blame anyone of us in particular. Most recently you have written that I said something when I

[VIHUELA] Re: Composition of short songs in early 17th century Italy - was Marini - was Grenerin

2011-04-26 Thread Monica Hall
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Composition of short songs in early 17th century Italy - was Marini - was Grenerin Dear Both of You I have no idea what they believe, but in their (and others') writings I see no word about having found references to the guitar + bowed string, and I suppose anyone

[VIHUELA] Re: Composition of short songs in early 17th century Italy - was Marini - was Grenerin

2011-04-26 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Lex, I've just posted to Monica about our continuing efforts to misunderstand each other by not very carefully reading what is being written and am sorry to say this is happening yet again: incidentally I point the finger at all three of us. So yet again - sigh. I

[VIHUELA] Re: Composition of short songs in early 17th century Italy - was Marini - was Grenerin

2011-04-26 Thread Martyn Hodgson
But dear Monica, I'm specifically NOT saying requiring an additional bass instrument (such as theorbo or bowed bass) was general practice - merely that I think it best for Marini's songs with an indepedent bass line (like Il Verno). rgds to both of you Martyn Where's

[VIHUELA] Re: Passing dissonances (was Marini, Granata etc)

2011-04-26 Thread Monica Hall
Dear Martyn And yes, yet again, I would hold (repeat if necessary) the Fmaj chord over the passing dissonant g in the bass to then resolve through the 43 cadence. I don't understand why would you play an F major chord at all. If I were playing the theorbo or keyboard (I have tried in