[VIHUELA] Re: Diesel

2016-10-13 Thread WALSH STUART 



Stuart,
There appears to be no contemporaneous evidence of precisely how Diesel
strung his guitar. From consideration of the music, voice leading,
period of composition etc, I believe Diesel used a mandora like
stringing -  ie octaves on the fourth and fifths but with the low bass
on the thumb side (ie not as earlier forms of 5 course guitar where the
lowest string of the fourth (and sometimes fifth) course is the upper
octave.).
Some further justification for this arrangement of basses is given by a
slightly earlier MS CZ -Brn MsD189 (c. 1730)  which gives the tuning
for the Callezono (gallichon aka mandora) and contains music for viola
da gamba (I think) in staff notation and later (f.48) a page headed
'Fundamenta Chytarra' and on its reverse a tuning table headed '
Accordo Chytarra et Mandora'. Much of the music is for 5 course with
just the occasional sixth course tuned just a tone lower than the fifth
(ie as also used by Scheidler for his guitar sonatas at the end of the
century and for much mandora music)
regards
Martyn


Thanks Martyn.


That's what I thought. I like to set up my guitar like this every so 
often. It sound very different!



Stuart

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From: WALSH STUART 
To: Eduard Agullo ; Vihuela List

Sent: Thursday, 13 October 2016, 11:46
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Diesel
>The Royal Library of Copenhagen has made available finally this
little
>known repertoire:
>
>
[1][1]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.h
tml
>
>[2]En Samling Tabulaturer for Guitar, mest af Nathanael ...
>www.kb.dk
>En Samling Tabulaturer for Guitar, mest af Nathanael Diesel (GKS
377
>folio)
>
>Let us hope that Diesel will be more appreciated and performed now
!
>
>Eduard V. Agullà ³
Lots of music! (But not guitar music in 5 and 6).
What is the most likely stringing arrangement for this guitar music?
Low A?
Stuart
>
>--
>
> References
>
>1.
[2]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html
>2.
[3]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html
>
>
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[VIHUELA] Re: Diesel

2016-10-13 Thread Martyn Hodgson 
   Stuart,
   There appears to be no contemporaneous evidence of precisely how Diesel
   strung his guitar. From consideration of the music, voice leading,
   period of composition etc, I believe Diesel used a mandora like
   stringing -  ie octaves on the fourth and fifths but with the low bass
   on the thumb side (ie not as earlier forms of 5 course guitar where the
   lowest string of the fourth (and sometimes fifth) course is the upper
   octave.).
   Some further justification for this arrangement of basses is given by a
   slightly earlier MS CZ -Brn MsD189 (c. 1730)  which gives the tuning
   for the Callezono (gallichon aka mandora) and contains music for viola
   da gamba (I think) in staff notation and later (f.48) a page headed
   'Fundamenta Chytarra' and on its reverse a tuning table headed '
   Accordo Chytarra et Mandora'. Much of the music is for 5 course with
   just the occasional sixth course tuned just a tone lower than the fifth
   (ie as also used by Scheidler for his guitar sonatas at the end of the
   century and for much mandora music)
   regards
   Martyn
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   From: WALSH STUART 
   To: Eduard Agullo ; Vihuela List
   
   Sent: Thursday, 13 October 2016, 11:46
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Diesel
   >The Royal Library of Copenhagen has made available finally this
   little
   >known repertoire:
   >
   >
   [1][1]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.h
   tml
   >
   >[2]En Samling Tabulaturer for Guitar, mest af Nathanael ...
   >www.kb.dk
   >En Samling Tabulaturer for Guitar, mest af Nathanael Diesel (GKS
   377
   >folio)
   >
   >Let us hope that Diesel will be more appreciated and performed now
   !
   >
   >Eduard V. Agullà ³
   Lots of music! (But not guitar music in 5 and 6).
   What is the most likely stringing arrangement for this guitar music?
   Low A?
   Stuart
   >
   >--
   >
   > References
   >
   >1.
   [2]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html
   >2.
   [3]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html
   >
   >
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[VIHUELA] Re: Diesel

2016-10-13 Thread WALSH STUART 



The Royal Library of Copenhagen has made available finally this little
known repertoire:

[1]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html

[2]En Samling Tabulaturer for Guitar, mest af Nathanael ...
www.kb.dk
En Samling Tabulaturer for Guitar, mest af Nathanael Diesel (GKS 377
folio)

Let us hope that Diesel will be more appreciated and performed now !

Eduard V. Agulló



Lots of music! (But not guitar music in 5 and 6).

What is the most likely stringing arrangement for this guitar music? Low A?


Stuart


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1. http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html
2. http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html


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[VIHUELA] Re: Diesel

2016-10-13 Thread Martyn Hodgson 

   Sorry, I sent you the full search link - here is the direct link
   [1]Prinsesse Charlotte Amalies nodesamling

Prinsesse Charlotte Amalies nodesamling

   Martyn
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   From: Martyn Hodgson 
   To: Eduard Agullo ; Vihuela List
   
   Sent: Thursday, 13 October 2016, 10:00
   Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Diesel
   Dear Eduard,
   Thanks for this: my ancient photocopies (half size!) have become
   increasingly difficult to read so this is welcome. A useful summary of
   these books was presented by David Lyons' paper in the 1975 JLSA  '
   Nathanael Diesel, guitar tutor to a royal lady'. The lady being his
   pupil Princess Charlotte Amalie of Denmark.
   There are duplicates of some pieces in the various books but I'm
   unaware of a complete list of concordances etc. Lyons did helpfully
   summarise the contents of each book - GKS 377 (20 books) and NKS 110
   (14 books). But he seemed unaware of GKS 1879 - the paper by Kristian
   Buhl-Mortensen 'Princess Charlotte Amalie's Music Collection' describes
   some of this as well as the other MSs.  Link here
   [2]https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Buhl-Moprtensen+Princess+Charlotte
   =1C1AOHY_enGB708GB708=Buhl-Moprtensen+Princess+Charlotte=chr
   ome..69i57.28642j0j7=chrome=UTF-8#q=Kristian+Buhl-Mortensen
   +Princess+Charlotte+Amalie%27s+Music+Collection+
   Martyn.
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   From: Eduard Agullo 
   To: Vihuela List 
   Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2016, 19:06
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Diesel
 The Royal Library of Copenhagen has made available finally this
   little
 known repertoire:

   [1][3]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.h
   tml
 [2]En Samling Tabulaturer for Guitar, mest af Nathanael ...
 www.kb.dk
 En Samling Tabulaturer for Guitar, mest af Nathanael Diesel (GKS 377
 folio)
 Let us hope that Diesel will be more appreciated and performed now !
 Eduard V. Agulló
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[VIHUELA] Re: Diesel

2016-10-13 Thread Martyn Hodgson 
   Dear Eduard,
   Thanks for this: my ancient photocopies (half size!) have become
   increasingly difficult to read so this is welcome. A useful summary of
   these books was presented by David Lyons' paper in the 1975 JLSA  '
   Nathanael Diesel, guitar tutor to a royal lady'. The lady being his
   pupil Princess Charlotte Amalie of Denmark.
   There are duplicates of some pieces in the various books but I'm
   unaware of a complete list of concordances etc. Lyons did helpfully
   summarise the contents of each book - GKS 377 (20 books) and NKS 110
   (14 books). But he seemed unaware of GKS 1879 - the paper by Kristian
   Buhl-Mortensen 'Princess Charlotte Amalie's Music Collection' describes
   some of this as well as the other MSs.  Link here
   [1]https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Buhl-Moprtensen+Princess+Charlotte
   =1C1AOHY_enGB708GB708=Buhl-Moprtensen+Princess+Charlotte=chr
   ome..69i57.28642j0j7=chrome=UTF-8#q=Kristian+Buhl-Mortensen
   +Princess+Charlotte+Amalie%27s+Music+Collection+
   Martyn.
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   From: Eduard Agullo 
   To: Vihuela List 
   Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2016, 19:06
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Diesel
 The Royal Library of Copenhagen has made available finally this
   little
 known repertoire:

   [1][2]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.h
   tml
 [2]En Samling Tabulaturer for Guitar, mest af Nathanael ...
 www.kb.dk
 En Samling Tabulaturer for Guitar, mest af Nathanael Diesel (GKS 377
 folio)
 Let us hope that Diesel will be more appreciated and performed now !
 Eduard V. Agulló
 --
   References
 1.
   [3]http://www.kb.dk/da/nb/materialer/haandskrifter/HA/e-mss/gks377.html
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