[VIHUELA] Re: Chitarra atiorbata/Guitarre theorbee

2009-07-20 Thread Martyn Hodgson
I agree that the ordinary 5 course 'baroque' guitar can be loud. Are there any extant theorboes/archlutes or early records of such with extended basses of string length only 90/100cm? MH --- On Sun, 19/7/09, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: From: David van

[VIHUELA] Re: Chitarra atiorbata/Guitarre theorbee

2009-07-20 Thread David van Ooijen
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Martyn Hodgsonhodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Are there any extant theorboes/archlutes or early records of such with extended basses of string length only 90/100cm? I don't know, it was my solution to the practical problems of modern travel. There are no

[VIHUELA] Re: Chitarra atiorbata/Guitarre theorbee

2009-07-20 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Madoras/Gallichons often ask for the 6th course to be retuned by a minor third but, of course, they are using overwound strings on the bass (with octave) which gives more latitude. But also many lute tabs show the 7th course either a tone below the 6th or a fourth - wether or not

[VIHUELA] Re: Chitarra atiorbata/Guitarre theorbee

2009-07-20 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Are we discussing battuto or pizzicato? The GTh was probably mainly used for plucking. Lex - Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu; David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 9:18 AM

[VIHUELA] Re: Chitarra atiorbata/Guitarre theorbee

2009-07-20 Thread Monica Hall
The music for guitarre theorbee in the Gallot manuscript is entirely in lute style - that is - the note values are always above the stave not on it. It is basically in two parts which is why there is often a wide gap between the voices. There are 3-part chords on the fingerboard - many of

[VIHUELA] Re: Chitarra atiorbata/Guitarre theorbee

2009-07-20 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Yes, I had looked at the MS. The point with battuto or pizzicato is about the volume of the tone of the guitar. I suppose that the GTh was not much used for strumming (if for anything), as appears from Granata 1659 and Gallot, and the basses would have to balance with the (probably modest)

[VIHUELA] Re: Chitarra atiorbata/Guitarre theorbee

2009-07-20 Thread Monica Hall
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. But I think that high basses would balence better with the upper parts. This is certainly the case on my keyboard. Monica - Original Message - From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu

[VIHUELA] Re: Chitarra atiorbata/Guitarre theorbee

2009-07-20 Thread Martyn Hodgson
I said 'ordinary 5 course' guitar (see below) in affirmation of another communication from David Van O on the subject of guitar volume generally. As far as I'm aware, like you, I believe the theorboed guitar was only ever plucked and probably mostly used for just exotic solo

[VIHUELA] Re: Chitarra atiorbata/Guitarre theorbee

2009-07-20 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Depends on who were the Old Ones. Adding strings to the guitar to make it more complete was done in all ages. Carulli used a decacorde, nowadays there is a Brahms-guitar. Probably a matter of compensation. The tessitura of he fingerboard plucked strings could range to a low bourdon A. Lex

[VIHUELA] Re: Chitarra atiorbata/Guitarre theorbee

2009-07-20 Thread Monica Hall
But there have always been these odd instruments - like the two guitars in one which Stephen Barber actually made and I had a go on. He was also threatening to make a diphone. If you go round museums you will see all manner of oddities but they usually have a short shelf life because they