Re: ` visual selection -- inconsistent?
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 04:11:21PM -0600, Eric Arnold wrote:
:set selection=exclusive
Use this text:
123456
2abcde
3abcde
4abcde
5abcde
Go to line 4, col 2. Hit ^V or (^Q whichever works). Type kkll
until you've highlighted
abc
abc
abc
Type ESC
For me, now the cursor is on c, and ` and ` go to a and c.
Now start at line 2, col 2 and highlight the same 3x3 square, and type
ESC.
Now the cursor is on d, and ` and ` go to a and d.
If it doesn't do this, try starting at the other corners. Sometimes I
*think* I've had it work differently, but I can't remember exactly
what the conditions were.
If you want to determine the selected text from a script, I guess
the answer is that you should exclude the character at ` if
selection == exclusive col(') col(')
HTH --Benji Fisher
Re: ` visual selection -- inconsistent?
On 4/30/06, Benji Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 04:11:21PM -0600, Eric Arnold wrote:
:set selection=exclusive
Use this text:
123456
2abcde
3abcde
4abcde
5abcde
Go to line 4, col 2. Hit ^V or (^Q whichever works). Type kkll
until you've highlighted
abc
abc
abc
Type ESC
For me, now the cursor is on c, and ` and ` go to a and c.
Now start at line 2, col 2 and highlight the same 3x3 square, and type
ESC.
Now the cursor is on d, and ` and ` go to a and d.
If it doesn't do this, try starting at the other corners. Sometimes I
*think* I've had it work differently, but I can't remember exactly
what the conditions were.
If you want to determine the selected text from a script, I guess
the answer is that you should exclude the character at ` if
selection == exclusive col(') col(')
That's the problem, you don't know when to exclude the character,
because exclusive mode includes the character when selected from
certain directions.
Re: ` visual selection -- inconsistent?
On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 08:36:14AM -0600, Eric Arnold wrote:
On 4/30/06, Benji Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 04:11:21PM -0600, Eric Arnold wrote:
:set selection=exclusive
Use this text:
123456
2abcde
3abcde
4abcde
5abcde
Go to line 4, col 2. Hit ^V or (^Q whichever works). Type kkll
until you've highlighted
abc
abc
abc
Type ESC
For me, now the cursor is on c, and ` and ` go to a and c.
Now start at line 2, col 2 and highlight the same 3x3 square, and type
ESC.
Now the cursor is on d, and ` and ` go to a and d.
If it doesn't do this, try starting at the other corners. Sometimes I
*think* I've had it work differently, but I can't remember exactly
what the conditions were.
If you want to determine the selected text from a script, I guess
the answer is that you should exclude the character at ` if
selection == exclusive col(') col(')
That's the problem, you don't know when to exclude the character,
because exclusive mode includes the character when selected from
certain directions.
That is my attempt at a *solution* to the problem. I guess you
should also check visualmode(): the above conditional assumes you were
using blockwise selection.
HTH --Benji Fisher
Re: ` visual selection -- inconsistent?
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 12:03:12AM -0600, Eric Arnold wrote:
:set selection=exclusive
Use this text:
123456
2abcde
3abcde
4abcde
5abcde
Go to line 4, col 2. Hit ^V or (^Q whichever works). Type kkll
until you've highlighted
abc
abc
abc
Type ESC
For me, now the cursor is on c, and ` and ` go to a and c.
Now start at line 2, col 2 and highlight the same 3x3 square, and type
ESC.
Now the cursor is on d, and ` and ` go to a and d.
If it doesn't do this, try starting at the other corners. Sometimes I
*think* I've had it work differently, but I can't remember exactly
what the conditions were.
I tried your experiment. I notice that, when I start at the
upper-left corner, the cursor is on a d when three lines of abc are
selected. When I start at the lower-left corner, the cursor is on the
c when three lines of abc are selected. In other words, when I
start at the lower-left corner, I do not see a difference between
setting 'selection' to inclusive or exclusive.
The ` mark seems to be set on the top line of the Visual
selection, and the ` mark at the bottom. The two of them are set at
the two corners where I started and ended the selection. This disagrees
with what you described when starting at the lower left. It is also odd
in the following situation: after
C-VhhhEsc
the point where I entered Visual mode is ` , but if I then do
gvjjEsc
then the same point is ` . I think this is inconsistent with the docs:
' ` To the first character of the last selected Visual
area in the current buffer. {not in Vi}.
I read this as saying that ` should always refer to the upper-left
corner (and ` should always refer to the lower-right).
HTH --Benji Fisher
Re: ` visual selection -- inconsistent?
On 4/29/06, Benji Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 12:03:12AM -0600, Eric Arnold wrote:
:set selection=exclusive
Use this text:
123456
2abcde
3abcde
4abcde
5abcde
Go to line 4, col 2. Hit ^V or (^Q whichever works). Type kkll
until you've highlighted
abc
abc
abc
Type ESC
For me, now the cursor is on c, and ` and ` go to a and c.
Now start at line 2, col 2 and highlight the same 3x3 square, and type
ESC.
Now the cursor is on d, and ` and ` go to a and d.
If it doesn't do this, try starting at the other corners. Sometimes I
*think* I've had it work differently, but I can't remember exactly
what the conditions were.
I tried your experiment. I notice that, when I start at the
upper-left corner, the cursor is on a d when three lines of abc are
selected. When I start at the lower-left corner, the cursor is on the
c when three lines of abc are selected. In other words, when I
start at the lower-left corner, I do not see a difference between
setting 'selection' to inclusive or exclusive.
Yes, it seems that this is where the exclusive rule isn't being exclusive.
---
The ` mark seems to be set on the top line of the Visual
selection, and the ` mark at the bottom. The two of them are set at
the two corners where I started and ended the selection. This disagrees
with what you described when starting at the lower left. It is also
odd
I'm not sure I understand. For me, if I start at L4, C2, and drag the
selection rectangle to L2, C4, and hit ESC, then ` is at L4, C2 and
` is at L2, C4.
Anyway, what I was stressing was whether it was on the c or d of
the ending line/corner, meaning column 4 vs column 5.
in the following situation: after
C-VhhhEsc
the point where I entered Visual mode is ` , but if I then do
gvjjEsc
then the same point is ` . I think this is inconsistent with the docs:
' ` To the first character of the last selected Visual
area in the current buffer. {not in Vi}.
I read this as saying that ` should always refer to the upper-left
corner (and ` should always refer to the lower-right).
HTH --Benji Fisher
I dunno. I can't tell any difference between `` and '' for
visual block mode.
` visual selection -- inconsistent?
The end of the visual selection as gotten by` seems to depend on whether the cursor was between the end_col - 1, and end_col, or between end_col, and end_col + 1. The GUI gvim seems to have the notion of the the cursor being between characters in visual mode. ` sometimes lands you on the character *after* the last col of the visual selection. So, the question is, how do I get the real last column of the Visual selection?
Re: ` visual selection -- inconsistent?
On 4/28/06, Eric Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The end of the visual selection as gotten by` seems to depend on whether the cursor was between the end_col - 1, and end_col, or between end_col, and end_col + 1. The GUI gvim seems to have the notion of the the cursor being between characters in visual mode. ` sometimes lands you on the character *after* the last col of the visual selection. So, the question is, how do I get the real last column of the Visual selection? Actually, this seems be inconsistent mostly when you start a visual-block selections from different corners.
Re: ` visual selection -- inconsistent?
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, Eric Arnold wrote: On 4/28/06, Eric Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The end of the visual selection as gotten by` seems to depend on whether the cursor was between the end_col - 1, and end_col, or between end_col, and end_col + 1. The GUI gvim seems to have the notion of the the cursor being between characters in visual mode. ` sometimes lands you on the character *after* the last col of the visual selection. So, the question is, how do I get the real last column of the Visual selection? Actually, this seems be inconsistent mostly when you start a visual-block selections from different corners. It works as expected for me. For example, 1. Start :new buffer. 2. From Normal mode, type iab. 3. Hit Enter. 4. Type cd, and hit Esc. Then do gg0. You should have: ab cd with the Normal cursor on a. 5. Start visual block with C-v, and hit jl. Press Esc. Now, from Insert mode, if you did 6. C-o followed by ` the Insert cursor will be between c and d. If, instead, you hit j2l in step 5, then (after step 6) the Insert cursor will appear after d. Remember, visual modes are able to highlight _past_ the end-of-line, unlike the Normal mode cursor. Please provide an example if you still see a problem. HTH. -- Gerald
