[Vim-l] homepages for scripts

2007-07-26 Thread Sebastian Menge
Oliver wrote on the policy thread:

 This tip is simply a way to work around the limitation that scripts
 cannot have comments. And is not a good example, because it would
 typically be one of the merged comments. In such a case, an email to the
 script author or the best thing to do (BTW, it may have been done,
 because I didn't see any screenshot corresponding to the description).

This brings up an idea, perhaps a bit too progressive:

How about homepages for scripts on the wiki? there maintainers can 
announce things, users can discuss etc. Everything else could be done on 
vim.org as we're used to ... 

Sebastian.

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Re: [Vim-l] Deleting tips - please set redirect page to {{Removed|id}}

2007-07-26 Thread Sebastian Menge
Am Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:41:57 +1000 schrieb John Beckett:

 When an imported tip is deleted, someone needs to fix the redirect page.

thanks for the pointer :-)

Seb.

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Re: [Vim-l] bots

2007-07-26 Thread John Beckett
Olivier Teuliere wrote:
 BTW I think it's {{!}} for bar, not {{|}}.

 {{!}} does not seem to work either though (but the html escape code does).

Thanks for the reminder. I got the use {{!}} for bar rule from the wiki
documentation and tried it, and noticed the problem you mention, and forgot
about it.

However, I've now fixed the situation. I don't know if what I've done is
optimal - I copied the essence of the official {{!}} from
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:%21 but with my own rearrangement.

See the template and documentation at:
http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Template:%21

The documentation says to use #124; to display a bar, but to use {{!}} if
you need a real bar in a template parameter.

For testing (this is what I did), edit any tip, and insert the text below.
Use 'Show Preview' to admire the very simple table that is produced, and
then cancel your edit.

---text for demo of {{!}}---
'''A table using ttnowiki{{!}}/nowiki/tt for bar.
{{{!}}
{{!}} A {{!}}{{!}} B
{{!}}-
{{!}} C {{!}}{{!}} D
{{!}}}
---end---

In the above, each '{{!}}' represents '|'. This is only necessary within the
'text' parameter of a tip. Using the html escape code here would _display_ a
bar, but you need a real bar to define a table in wikitext.

I still think we should remove the tip body from the Template:Tip parameter,
but I'll have to start a new thread with that suggestion because I don't
think many of us read this much detail:(

John

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Re: [Vim-l] New guidelines (policies) for editing tips

2007-07-26 Thread Sebastian Menge
Am Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:20:37 +0200 schrieb Olivier Teuliere:
 The problem is that we have 3 levels of content: 1) the tip itself
 (which includes all the fixes and enhancements) 2) other comments
 (great tip, what if I want to do this?, etc.) 3) the meta discussion
 about the tip (what category should we place it
in, should we merge it with another tip, what to do with this
particular comment, etc.)
 
 But we only have 2 pages: the tip page, and its talk page! So we have to
 make choices.
 
 In my opinion, it is clear that the tip should be in its page, and the
 meta discussion in the corresponding talk page.

Yes. Sounds very good.
 
 Concerning the comments (my level 2 above), I dislike putting them in
 the talk page, because it would mean opening 2 pages instead of one,
 from a user perspective.
 
 Should we keep these comments on the tip page, or remove them? I am in
 favour of removing them when they have no added value (most of the
 cases), because I consider them as noise. If comments are subject to

Though I like the friendly tone of most such comments, i'm ok with 
deleting them.

As for discussions as on VimTip612: I would say they should be merged i 
such a way:

---
There are different positions on this issue:

Some ppl say: blah, because of ...
others say blubb, because of.
---

Thus remove the thread/discussion style.

Sebastian.

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[Vim-l] Candidates for deletion

2007-07-26 Thread John Beckett
Please see the discussion on some possibly to-be-deleted tips at:
http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Category_talk:Candidates_for_deletion

John

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