Re: HG-Bridge disabled (Mercurial connection refused)
On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 11:10 AM Christian Brabandt wrote: > > > On Wed, 20 Nov 2024, Christian Brabandt wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 20 Nov 2024, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 4:47 PM Christian Brabandt > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > just to let everybody know. Because of serious load issues, the HG > > > > bridge is disabled for now. > > > > > > > > Just for my reference, how many users are still using it hg.256bit.org? > > > > > > I don't know how many are, but as I suppose you already know, I am one > > > of them. For some reason Mercurial feels congenial to me and git > > > doesn't. > > > > > > My current Mercurial configuration includes the following remote > > > repository aliases, which I am listing alphabetically below with name, > > > URL, and current response to "hg in". Some of them may be obsolete. > > > bitbucket = https://bitbucket.org/vim-mirror/vim > > > Not found. > > > default = http://hg.256bit.org/vim > > > Not found. > > > osdn = https://hg.osdn.net/view/vim/vim > > > Certificate has expired. > > > In other words, the latter one is still responding, but rejecting the > > > request for lack of an up-to-date certificate. > > > I practically always pull from the "default" source unless, like now, > > > it really goes down. > > > > Oh, Apparently I am still pushing to osdn, I thought I had disabled this > > long time ago. For the time being, you can continue to use that one. > > Hm, I can still pull using --insecure > > But pushing is totally broken: > ``` > pushing to ssh://chrisbra@osdn//hgroot/vim/vim > remote: logger: socket /dev/log: Connection refused > searching for changes > remote: abort: No usable temporary directory found in ['/tmp', > '/var/tmp', '/usr/tmp', '/home/users/c/ch/chrisbra'] > abort: unexpected response: empty string > ``` > and neither can I push using https urls, so this repository is at > ``` > changeset: 36245:368dd9765c4d > tag: tip > user:Christian Brabandt > date:Sat Oct 05 17:15:03 2024 +0200 > summary: runtime(compiler): add cppcheck linter compiler plugin > ``` > > We will setup a secondary vim.org mercurial mirror, but this will take > some time. Take all the time you need ; in the meantime I have two temporary solutions as I mentioned in another thread (1. keep using Vim 9.1.873 compiled from my own config options when hg.256bit.org/vim was still online ; 2. fall back on the Vim from my Linux distro, which will always be a little behind the times but not much and will never be exactly what I would have configured myself, but it is usable ; currently it is at 9.1.836, Huge, with GTK3 GUI). Best regards, Tony. -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/CAJkCKXsRfVC9aqiwOox3WB3GPCiyOufAfa2EfK66_YiwJNXZ%2BQ%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: HG-Bridge disabled (Mercurial connection refused)
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024, Christian Brabandt wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Nov 2024, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 4:47 PM Christian Brabandt > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > just to let everybody know. Because of serious load issues, the HG > > > bridge is disabled for now. > > > > > > Just for my reference, how many users are still using it hg.256bit.org? > > > > I don't know how many are, but as I suppose you already know, I am one > > of them. For some reason Mercurial feels congenial to me and git > > doesn't. > > > > My current Mercurial configuration includes the following remote > > repository aliases, which I am listing alphabetically below with name, > > URL, and current response to "hg in". Some of them may be obsolete. > > bitbucket = https://bitbucket.org/vim-mirror/vim > > Not found. > > default = http://hg.256bit.org/vim > > Not found. > > osdn = https://hg.osdn.net/view/vim/vim > > Certificate has expired. > > In other words, the latter one is still responding, but rejecting the > > request for lack of an up-to-date certificate. > > I practically always pull from the "default" source unless, like now, > > it really goes down. > > Oh, Apparently I am still pushing to osdn, I thought I had disabled this > long time ago. For the time being, you can continue to use that one. Hm, I can still pull using --insecure But pushing is totally broken: ``` pushing to ssh://chrisbra@osdn//hgroot/vim/vim remote: logger: socket /dev/log: Connection refused searching for changes remote: abort: No usable temporary directory found in ['/tmp', '/var/tmp', '/usr/tmp', '/home/users/c/ch/chrisbra'] abort: unexpected response: empty string ``` and neither can I push using https urls, so this repository is at ``` changeset: 36245:368dd9765c4d tag: tip user:Christian Brabandt date:Sat Oct 05 17:15:03 2024 +0200 summary: runtime(compiler): add cppcheck linter compiler plugin ``` We will setup a secondary vim.org mercurial mirror, but this will take some time. Sorry, Christian -- Bride, n.: A woman with a fine prospect of happiness behind her. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/Zz21fw1ezmkMTGVd%40256bit.org.
Re: HG-Bridge disabled (Mercurial connection refused)
P.S. On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:49 AM Tony Mechelynck wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:34 AM Christian Brabandt > wrote: > […] > > Oh, Apparently I am still pushing to osdn, I thought I had disabled this > > long time ago. For the time being, you can continue to use that one. > […] > > I would, if it would let me ; but AFAICT Mercurial is adamant about > not letting me pull from a server with an out-of-date certificate. P.S. Apparently you aren't pushing to it anymore, and since long ago from the number of bytes hg says were exchanged (611 sent 525 received). I removed the s in https and tried the same URL ; it answered "no changes found". > > Best regards, > Tony. -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/CAJkCKXvwZhracnaZcJFY7p0JY%3DqtNu%3DjuyYapQ%3DjoTOW8vyYXQ%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: HG-Bridge disabled (Mercurial connection refused)
On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:34 AM Christian Brabandt wrote: […] > Oh, Apparently I am still pushing to osdn, I thought I had disabled this > long time ago. For the time being, you can continue to use that one. […] I would, if it would let me ; but AFAICT Mercurial is adamant about not letting me pull from a server with an out-of-date certificate. Best regards, Tony. -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/CAJkCKXvko%3DQONo59-_d2NSERajsoqAmKxLTmg5T0RrHoawvY3g%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: HG-Bridge disabled (Re: Mercurial connection refused)
On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 4:47 PM Christian Brabandt wrote: > > Hi, > just to let everybody know. Because of serious load issues, the HG > bridge is disabled for now. > > Just for my reference, how many users are still using it hg.256bit.org? I don't know how many are, but as I suppose you already know, I am one of them. For some reason Mercurial feels congenial to me and git doesn't. My current Mercurial configuration includes the following remote repository aliases, which I am listing alphabetically below with name, URL, and current response to "hg in". Some of them may be obsolete. bitbucket = https://bitbucket.org/vim-mirror/vim Not found. default = http://hg.256bit.org/vim Not found. osdn = https://hg.osdn.net/view/vim/vim Certificate has expired. In other words, the latter one is still responding, but rejecting the request for lack of an up-to-date certificate. I practically always pull from the "default" source unless, like now, it really goes down. > If there are very many users, we should probably move it to the vim.org > domain. If you could do that without too much hassle, for someone at the receiving end like me it would just be a matter of adjusting the source aliases (i.e. those displayed by "hg paths") to make sure that the "default" source is the one we normally want to pull from. A piece of cake. > > Thanks, > Chris My pleasure, Tony. > > On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 2:55 PM Christian Brabandt > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > > > > > > > linux-tuxedo:~/.build/vim/vim-hg # hg in || echo 'exit status' $? ; date > > > > abort: error: Connection refused > > > > exit status 255 > > > > Tue 19 Nov 14:48:32 CET 2024 > > > > linux-tuxedo:~/.build/vim/vim-hg # hg in || echo 'exit status' $? ; date > > > > abort: error: Connection refused > > > > exit status 255 > > > > Tue 19 Nov 14:48:50 CET 2024 > > > > > > > > Let us hope this is only temporary. > > > > > > It was. Sometimes there is a bit of load on the server (for unknown > > > reasons). > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Christian > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen > Christian > -- > YOW!! Now I understand advanced MICROBIOLOGY and th' new TAX REFORM laws!! > > -- > -- > You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. > Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. > For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "vim_dev" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/Zzyy/lTDSAwYqiH/%40256bit.org. -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/CAJkCKXt9%3D4sGzdKwA4LR%3Drw5PF%2BsFbkL8Xh%2B1VR-2d9mvynh2A%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: HG-Bridge disabled (Re: Mercurial connection refused)
On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 2:10 AM Tony Mechelynck wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 4:47 PM Christian Brabandt wrote: > > > > Hi, > > just to let everybody know. Because of serious load issues, the HG > > bridge is disabled for now. > > > > Just for my reference, how many users are still using it hg.256bit.org? > > I don't know how many are, but as I suppose you already know, I am one > of them. For some reason Mercurial feels congenial to me and git > doesn't. > > My current Mercurial configuration includes the following remote > repository aliases, which I am listing alphabetically below with name, > URL, and current response to "hg in". Some of them may be obsolete. > bitbucket = https://bitbucket.org/vim-mirror/vim > Not found. > default = http://hg.256bit.org/vim > Not found. > osdn = https://hg.osdn.net/view/vim/vim > Certificate has expired. > In other words, the latter one is still responding, but rejecting the > request for lack of an up-to-date certificate. > I practically always pull from the "default" source unless, like now, > it really goes down. P.S. I also install the vim executable from openSUSE Tumbleweed (currently at version/patchlevel 9.1.836, and not with the same +features as the Vim which I compile myself, or (if Mercurial distribution never resumes) which I used to (currently at version/patchlevel 9.1.873). This openSUSE vim is at /bin/vim and at /user/bin/vim while mine is at /usr/local/bin/vim which is earlier in the $PATH. Similarly for gvim, view, gview, etc. symlinks. > > > If there are very many users, we should probably move it to the vim.org > > domain. > > If you could do that without too much hassle, for someone at the > receiving end like me it would just be a matter of adjusting the > source aliases (i.e. those displayed by "hg paths") to make sure that > the "default" source is the one we normally want to pull from. A piece > of cake. > > > > > Thanks, > > Chris > > My pleasure, > Tony. > > > > On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 2:55 PM Christian Brabandt > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > > > > > > > > > linux-tuxedo:~/.build/vim/vim-hg # hg in || echo 'exit status' $? ; > > > > > date > > > > > abort: error: Connection refused > > > > > exit status 255 > > > > > Tue 19 Nov 14:48:32 CET 2024 > > > > > linux-tuxedo:~/.build/vim/vim-hg # hg in || echo 'exit status' $? ; > > > > > date > > > > > abort: error: Connection refused > > > > > exit status 255 > > > > > Tue 19 Nov 14:48:50 CET 2024 > > > > > > > > > > Let us hope this is only temporary. > > > > > > > > It was. Sometimes there is a bit of load on the server (for unknown > > > > reasons). > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Christian > > > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen > > Christian > > -- > > YOW!! Now I understand advanced MICROBIOLOGY and th' new TAX REFORM laws!! > > > > -- > > -- > > You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. > > Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. > > For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php > > > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "vim_dev" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/Zzyy/lTDSAwYqiH/%40256bit.org. -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/CAJkCKXsJ1NUT6y9YkU%2Brq86yfw28ZrPqaLmZtmuVD%3DJ9grKU6Q%40mail.gmail.com.
HG-Bridge disabled (Re: Mercurial connection refused)
Hi, just to let everybody know. Because of serious load issues, the HG bridge is disabled for now. Just for my reference, how many users are still using it hg.256bit.org? If there are very many users, we should probably move it to the vim.org domain. Thanks, Chris On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 2:55 PM Christian Brabandt wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > > > > > linux-tuxedo:~/.build/vim/vim-hg # hg in || echo 'exit status' $? ; date > > > abort: error: Connection refused > > > exit status 255 > > > Tue 19 Nov 14:48:32 CET 2024 > > > linux-tuxedo:~/.build/vim/vim-hg # hg in || echo 'exit status' $? ; date > > > abort: error: Connection refused > > > exit status 255 > > > Tue 19 Nov 14:48:50 CET 2024 > > > > > > Let us hope this is only temporary. > > > > It was. Sometimes there is a bit of load on the server (for unknown > > reasons). > > > > Thanks, > > Christian Mit freundlichen Grüßen Christian -- YOW!! Now I understand advanced MICROBIOLOGY and th' new TAX REFORM laws!! -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/Zzyy/lTDSAwYqiH/%40256bit.org.
Re: HG-Bridge disabled (Re: Mercurial connection refused)
* Christian Brabandt [241119 10:47]: > Hi, > just to let everybody know. Because of serious load issues, the HG > bridge is disabled for now. > > Just for my reference, how many users are still using it hg.256bit.org? > If there are very many users, we should probably move it to the vim.org > domain. I still use it once in a while. I mostly use the official Debian packages, but I have a strong preference for hg over git, so that is what I use when I want the latest source. ...Marvin -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/Zzy5gTPrM5JIylxF%40basil.wdw.
Re: Mercurial connection refused
On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 2:55 PM Christian Brabandt wrote: > > > On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > > > linux-tuxedo:~/.build/vim/vim-hg # hg in || echo 'exit status' $? ; date > > abort: error: Connection refused > > exit status 255 > > Tue 19 Nov 14:48:32 CET 2024 > > linux-tuxedo:~/.build/vim/vim-hg # hg in || echo 'exit status' $? ; date > > abort: error: Connection refused > > exit status 255 > > Tue 19 Nov 14:48:50 CET 2024 > > > > Let us hope this is only temporary. > > It was. Sometimes there is a bit of load on the server (for unknown > reasons). > > Thanks, > Christian > -- > If you make any money, the government shoves you in the creek once a year > with it in your pockets, and all that don't get wet you can keep. > -- The Best of Will Rogers Looks like the problem is intermittent (maybe everyone is pulling at once ?) : "hg in" just now showed me the new changeset bdd971ffbeae but "hg fetch --switch-parent" again displayed "connection refused". I'll wait a little (or maybe not so little since I'll soon be going to town for several hours) then retry. Best regards, Tony. -- A Protestant pastor, a Catholic priest and a rabbi were someday comparing what they do with the collection. "I draw a straight line on the floor," said the pastor, "then I throw the money over it. What falls on the right side is for God and what falls on the left is for me." "Interesting," said the priest. "I draw a circle ; what falls inside is for God and what falls outside is for me." "What misers you both are," said the rabbi. I throw the whole collection money up into the air. God takes what He wants and I keep the rest." -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/CAJkCKXtjZo-rkyRMs5MJ5x%3D0BJgNfTFnjZBdX9eNZtx_-ppeLQ%40mail.gmail.com.
Mercurial connection refused
linux-tuxedo:~/.build/vim/vim-hg # hg in || echo 'exit status' $? ; date abort: error: Connection refused exit status 255 Tue 19 Nov 14:48:32 CET 2024 linux-tuxedo:~/.build/vim/vim-hg # hg in || echo 'exit status' $? ; date abort: error: Connection refused exit status 255 Tue 19 Nov 14:48:50 CET 2024 Let us hope this is only temporary. Best regards, Tony. -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/CAJkCKXsuS2RninoUqwvLzkKwYzdb9U%3D3ixogUk6QpYNC%2BpsEZw%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: Mercurial connection refused
On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > linux-tuxedo:~/.build/vim/vim-hg # hg in || echo 'exit status' $? ; date > abort: error: Connection refused > exit status 255 > Tue 19 Nov 14:48:32 CET 2024 > linux-tuxedo:~/.build/vim/vim-hg # hg in || echo 'exit status' $? ; date > abort: error: Connection refused > exit status 255 > Tue 19 Nov 14:48:50 CET 2024 > > Let us hope this is only temporary. It was. Sometimes there is a bit of load on the server (for unknown reasons). Thanks, Christian -- If you make any money, the government shoves you in the creek once a year with it in your pockets, and all that don't get wet you can keep. -- The Best of Will Rogers -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/ZzyY3cBTOjfTxChv%40256bit.org.
Re: Mercurial "Connection refused" for "hg in" on http://hg.256bit.org/vim
On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 9:23 AM Christian Brabandt wrote:
>
>
> On So, 17 Dez 2023, Tony Mechelynck wrote:
>
> > linux-tuxedo:~/.build/vim/vim-hg # hg paths
> > bitbucket = https://bitbucket.org/vim-mirror/vim
> > default = http://hg.256bit.org/vim
> > osdn = https://hg.osdn.net/view/vim/vim
> > linux-tuxedo:~/.build/vim/vim-hg # hg in || echo 'exit status' $? ; date
> > abort: error: Connection refused
> > exit status 255
> > Sun 17 Dec 10:13:26 CET 2023
> >
> > If my "default" pull repository has become invalid, please tell me.
>
> The server went down yesterday (until someone noticed it and rebooted
> it). I wasn't close to a PC to investigate but it should be back by now
> (otherwise I couldn't answer :))
>
> Thanks,
> Christian
Yeah, it came back up at some point between yesterday (Sunday)
14:51:40 CET and today (Monday) 00:57:33 CET. I hadn't missed anything
("no changes found"). I thought it was you who had put it right and
didn't feel the need to mention it. Maybe I should have.
Best regards,
Tony.
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Re: Mercurial "Connection refused" for "hg in" on http://hg.256bit.org/vim
On So, 17 Dez 2023, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > linux-tuxedo:~/.build/vim/vim-hg # hg paths > bitbucket = https://bitbucket.org/vim-mirror/vim > default = http://hg.256bit.org/vim > osdn = https://hg.osdn.net/view/vim/vim > linux-tuxedo:~/.build/vim/vim-hg # hg in || echo 'exit status' $? ; date > abort: error: Connection refused > exit status 255 > Sun 17 Dec 10:13:26 CET 2023 > > If my "default" pull repository has become invalid, please tell me. The server went down yesterday (until someone noticed it and rebooted it). I wasn't close to a PC to investigate but it should be back by now (otherwise I couldn't answer :)) Thanks, Christian -- You can measure a programmer's perspective by noting his attitude on the continuing viability of FORTRAN. -- Alan Perlis -- -- You received this message from the "vim_dev" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_dev/ZYABbjGNao6GbnJ6%40256bit.org.
