More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread Visionary
Thanks to all of you for your input thus far on my noisey Seagate drives. From what you all have said, my conclusion is that they are likely usable, but that the noise factor is inherent with this particular model and is exaggerated further by putting two such drives in a very small enclosure.

Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread Visionary
How can I check? Did you format it as HFS+? -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac

Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread Visionary
So, OS versions is not the problem, but Silverlining might be or something to do with format options not directly related to OS? -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital

Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread william ahearn
Visionary wrote: So, OS versions is not the problem, but Silverlining might be or something to do with format options not directly related to OS? I don't really understand that. Do you mean that Silverlining formatted the drive in some weird way? -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by

Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread the pickle
At 15:13 -0600 on 02/08/02, Visionary wrote: So, OS versions is not the problem, but Silverlining might be or something to do with format options not directly related to OS? Yes, that's possible. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL

Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread the pickle
At 17:16 -0400 on 02/08/02, william ahearn wrote: Visionary wrote: So, OS versions is not the problem, but Silverlining might be or something to do with format options not directly related to OS? I don't really understand that. Do you mean that Silverlining formatted the drive in some weird

Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread william ahearn
the pickle wrote: It's been well known for quite some time that various HD drivers from various manufacturers may or may not play nicely together. I know the problem well. I just wanted to make sure that's what he meant. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and...

Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread Visionary
Look guys, I'm coming from the ugly Windows/DOS world. I don't understand the need for drivers to install a hard drive whatsoever except for that brief and ugly period in our own history when there was such a thing as EIDE which I tried to avoid like the plague. :) So, what I'm telling you is

Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread william ahearn
Visionary wrote: Look guys, I'm coming from the ugly Windows/DOS world. I don't understand the need for drivers to install a hard drive whatsoever except for that brief and ugly period in our own history when there was such a thing as EIDE which I tried to avoid like the plague. :)

Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread Terry Mathews
Well, look at it this way. Apple's spin on the DOS format is designed to only recgonize certain HDs. Help some? Terry Look guys, I'm coming from the ugly Windows/DOS world. I don't understand the need for drivers to install a hard drive whatsoever except for that brief and ugly period in

Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread the pickle
At 16:29 -0600 on 02/08/02, Visionary wrote: Look guys, I'm coming from the ugly Windows/DOS world. I don't understand the need for drivers to install a hard drive whatsoever except for that The drivers are placed on the hard disk when the disk is formatted. All disks have a driver of some

Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread mart
William: Alright. The best solution to this that I can think of is to use the hacked version of Apple's HDSC. (Apple designed it to see only Apple drives. The hack allows for other drives to be seen.) I very much agree. Yes, use that one. Has done *a lot* for my macs. That way you can wipe the

Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread Teri Pittman
Look guys, I'm coming from the ugly Windows/DOS world. I don't understand the need for drivers to install a hard drive whatsoever except for that brief and ugly period in our own history when there was such a thing as EIDE which I tried to avoid like the plague. :) But you do use drivers in that

Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- Visionary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I check? Did you format it as HFS+? Connect it back to the Mac you formatted it on that's running OS 8.1, click on the drive then hit Command I. It should say Mac OS Standard or Mac OS Extended. Extended is HFS+. If it says Standard then you

Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been well known for quite some time that various HD drivers from various manufacturers may or may not play nicely together. Tell me about it. :P I loaned a drive to a friend and told him he could erase it, what was on it wasn't important. When I

Why Macs need disk drivers. Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread Gregg Eshelman
The Mac uses disk drivers because the ROM in the Mac doesn't know how to talk directly to a whole bunch of different hard drives with all sorts of different configurations of cylinders, heads and sectors. 1984 was in the days before PC hard drive controllers could autodetect the drive paramaters

Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The drivers are placed on the hard disk when the disk is formatted. All disks have a driver of some sort on them, no matter what platform/OS/type of drive, with the exception of (maybe) CD media. PCs don't use any special driver on the disk unless

Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- Teri Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look guys, I'm coming from the ugly Windows/DOS world. I don't understand the need for drivers to install a hard drive whatsoever except for that brief and ugly period in our own history when there was such a thing as EIDE which I tried to avoid

Re: Why Macs need disk drivers. Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread Visionary
Gregg: Thanks so much for this note. Many have chimed in with potentially useful information about how to solve my immediate problem, but here you have educated me on the ways of Macdom. The Mac uses disk drivers because the ROM in the Mac doesn't know how to talk directly to a whole bunch

Re: Why Macs need disk drivers. Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread william ahearn
Visionary wrote: Gregg: Thanks so much for this note. Many have chimed in with potentially useful information about how to solve my immediate problem, but here you have educated me on the ways of Macdom. He's educated all of us. Stick around. The best is yet to come . . . -- Vintage

Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread Teri Pittman
At 07:39 PM 08/02/2002 -0700, you wrote: The only time a driver is needed on a PC is when you have an older PC with one of the drive size limits in the BIOS and a drive bigger than the specific limit on that particular PC. You mean there's a newer OS than Win95? I don't just do trailing edge

Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread J.S. Garrison
-- From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vintage Macs) Subject: Re: More about the Whiney Drives Date: Fri, Aug 2, 2002, 7:39 PM Ehm, no. Those utils simply ease and automate the process that otherwise takes FDISK, FORMAT and 2 or 3 reboots. The only time a

Re: More about the Whiney Drives

2002-08-02 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- J.S. Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, Greg. I just set up an AMD 1.2 Ghz box from the year 2002. It requires drivers for the DVD, Modem, Board chips like the VIA PC-133 chip, on-board sound, modem hard disk, and etc. Drivers are not obsolete, yet. We were discussing