And is there a reason we have to be subject to your cussing and tantrum on list? Why can’t you do what the list owner and moderator ask you to do? Why do the rest of us have to suffer because you have trouble dealing with a thread you’re not interested in that has more traffic then you can handle? You might want to look into a better email client, such as one that handles conversations or threads. BTW, in case you can’t read all the way to the end of a message, here’s what it asks you to do at the end of every message to this list. I’ll also bring this to Mark’s attention so he can deal with your post, my post and the thread in general.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Apple getting cheap Hey folks as much as I like this group for the information that can be passed on between users etc, This chat is really fucken getting annoying. Can’t you find a real issue to ask questions and give answers about?! Mark and Cara, Enough is enough surely Could we kill this topic And if you windging moaning f wits can’t stop, then take it off the list and let us get on with real world issues like trouble with apple devices! From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Michael Feir Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2021 9:15 pm To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Apple getting cheap I have absolutely no doubt that Apple has received tens of thousands of such complaints at a minimum. Unfortunately, the environmental optics of this are too good to really back out of. The packing boxes can be much thinner. They have tons of repeat customers who already have chargers which they're totally happy with. There are many charging options out there for people to pick from even on Apple's own store. Apple does remind people to buy a charger during the process so that'll help somewhat. While Apple does take note of complaints, it doesn't seem to be prone to changing course because of them. They got massive pushback when they removed the headphone jack. Now, you almost never hear complaints about that. The overall customer base just gets used to whatever they decide. For people on the annoied side of these big decisions, there's a sense that it does more emotional good to vent on public lists than write to Apple. Until they make a truly unforgivable blunder, that's how things go in large ecosystems like this. On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 4:14 AM Simon A Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: Morning all, Having listened to people vent their personal thoughts on the pros and cons of apple not including the power bricks / AC power adapter in the packaging for phones etc, I'm just wondering why You aren't all putting this in writing to apple directly rather than venting to a list where no one has the ability to change the way apple do what they do! I'd also like to point out that apple have been selling products without the power brick included in the packaging since the device was released to the world markets, That being the ipods, I have never owned an iPod that had a charging brick included in it's packaging. And I don't remember ever hearing people bitch about that not being there. But back to previous comments, Rather than venting to the list, Why do you not all put your pen to paper and write to apple about this issue you have and see what they come back with. For me, I've got enough bricks around to charge all my devices at once. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Malcolm Parfitt Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2021 5:10 am To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Apple getting cheap There are a couple of issues here when considering Apple’s approach to chargers as I see it. Firstly, I have six 5 Watt chargers here that came with various Apple devices over the years. When I updated to an iPhone XR these 5 Watt chargers, one of them came with the phone will not charge the XR at its fastest rate which begs the question as to why it came with such a low rated charger in the first place. I would rather not just discard these chargers, but finding someone who has a use for them is difficult as they probably have redundant units themselves. Personally I bought a 18 Watt charger from Amazon made by Anker. As I understand it, newer devices made by Apple come with a USB C to Lightning cable. This implies that they assume people have a USB power source available which may or may not be the case. After all, why supply a cable but no charger, why not both or neither. I don’t consider it to be a rip off on Apple’s behalf I completely understand and support any action that is environmentally friendly. But it does look rather inconsistent. Yes, if you have an older charger and cable you can charge your new device but not at its optimal rate. Apple are rather in a no-win situation, what ever they do will earn them criticism from some quarters. Malcolm Parfitt > On 17 Apr 2021, at 18:04, Dennis Long > <dennisl1...@gmail.com<mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Anker chargers are apple certified. > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of > bentleyj1...@gmail.com<mailto:bentleyj1...@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 1:39 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: RE: Apple getting cheap > > Hi Maria , > > This seems to becoming common place with a lot of different products that I > have purchased lately. > > I am guessing that so many people have an abundance of chargers laying around > that it is no longer necessary to include an AC charger. > > If a person does not have a spare charger laying around, then, this is a > major bummer. > > In my case, I am glad that my SE 2020 did not come with a charger because I > would have had to pay more for the phone to get a charger. No charges for > accessories are paid for by the manufacturer. The additional cost are always > absorbed by the purchaser which means higher prices. > > Amazon is an excellent place to find a multitude of different types of > chargers. Some even have surge protection, multiple USB ports, and even > multiple AC outlets. Just make sure that it is Apple certified. > > Regards, > > James B > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of > Maria Campbell > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 12:27 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Apple getting cheapq > > My SE2020 didn't even come with a C charger. How cheap is that considering > it's so proprietary? 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