Christopher,
Good point, but, I like many am not wishing to pay such exuberant fees for
accessibility for something which by law should have been made accessible
already.
So in short, finger pointing is exactly what we need, we just need to be far
more consistent at it, we need legal support
I'm not so sure that those in the blindness community who expressed
concerns about MS getting into the screen reader business was so short
sighted. There's no guarantee that JAWS would still exist if MS had come
out with their own screen reader, and I'm sure JAWS is a superior screen
reader to
Like I said, short-sighted. Microsoft is finally putting a full-fledged screen
reader in Windows 8. And all those dire predictions of yesteryear are already
proving to be so much hot air. The fact is the screen reader companies are
finding the weaknesses in Windows Narrator and demonstrating
Well, we can choose to disagree, but I feel it's also short sighted to
think that OS provided screen readers will solve all of our problems.
They definitely have an advantage and a place, but if we go down that
path to the exclusion of 3rd party screen readers than I fear we're
losing the
^It's worth pointing out that there are plenty, plenty of apps, both
on the job and not, that JAWS doesn't work with at all including many
of the built-in apps included in Windows 8, as well as most
third-party metro apps. While you may have lucked out in your
particular case with Lotus Notes on
: Thursday, January 24, 2013 2:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Not As It Seems To Be - Was: Iphone 5 satisfaction ?
^It's worth pointing out that there are plenty, plenty of apps, both
on the job and not, that JAWS doesn't work with at all including many
of the built-in apps
And that is an example of placing words and concepts in my mouth which I never
stated. Of course, it is the only way to give the short-sighted blindness
position any Merritt.
To be perfectly clear, I never said there should only be an OS based screen
reader. This was the straw man distraction
Excellent points David, while I have a feeling that one screen reader or
another might emerge as the clear choice, it doesn't have to be as
black-and-white as OS-BASED or third-party screen reader, but not both.
Microsoft is sort of making strides with Narrator to the point where my
Sorry, I didn't mean to put any words in your mouth. I was just
expressing my opinion. I feel that a world without 3rd party screen
readers puts blind people in a bind. I also am not convinced that a 3rd
party screen reader will survive, even if it is a superior product.
There are tons of cases
Well, ADA and the Rehab Act require government and industry that contracts with
government to provide accessible solutions whenever possible. This is, in point
of fact, why Apple brought screen reader development in-house. The tiny
percentage of the blind who used Apple products did not provide
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Subject: Re: Not As It Seems To Be - Was: Iphone 5 satisfaction ?
^It's worth pointing out that there are plenty, plenty of apps, both
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Subject: Re: Not As It Seems To Be - Was: Iphone 5 satisfaction ?
^It's worth pointing out that there are plenty, plenty of apps, both on the
job and not, that JAWS doesn't work
Please pardon me for this somewhat off topic message, but I do feel
obligated to clear the air just a wee bit on a subtle matter that has come
up in the original thread.
Now first, let me say that I also am extremely pleased with my iPhone 5 and
the embedded accessibility. And likewise;
I think it is more than just an implication that Microsoft has been
and continues to be insensitive -- in fact, outright hostile -- to our
needs as a community of people who want the same quality of life that
everyone who depends on good vision simply takes for granted. Just
look at their release
Hi all,
I think that apple is much much much better than Microsoft. A lot of
people at least I know in my life that are visually Impaired and
therefore use screenreaders better prefer apple products than
Microsoft products. I could be wrong though. Thanks!!
On 1/23/13, Bill Gallik
Then, I am doubly thankful that Apple exhibited the foresight to not check with
the apparently short-sighted blindness community.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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On 24/01/2013, at 6:03, Bill Gallik wfgal...@charter.net
Actually, it was the lack of a screen reader for Mac after Berkeley Systems
went out of business. Until Apple released the 3GS with VO, it was wellknown
that touch screens required some sort of local tactile response. No
professionals looked at the potential around touch with just audible
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