Hi Mark, Interesting and I wouldn't be surprised at all that if an under the display fingerprint sensor is developed which works truly well and fast that it would be Apple who will release it. The question is whether Apple sees the need for it given their fantastic Face Id feature which is in its second generation apparently very fast, much safer than fingerprint and more reliable. Of course if one day we had an iPhone with a very reliable and fast under the display fingerprint sensor as well as Face Id so that you could choose whichever method you want or even use both interchangeably than that would be awesome.
Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 6:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Mark's iPhone Prediction, and some Info on In-Display Fingerprint Technology Hello Everyone, This post consist of three parts: In the first part, I re-post my comments, posted on Saturday, September 1, 2018, regarding this year's iPhone releases. In the second part, I post an article from The Verge, in which a writer describes his first experience using an in-display fingerprint sensor. Finally, in the third part, I post an article that describes how in-display fingerprint sensor technology works. So, read on, and enjoy. Part 1: >From Mark, Posted, September 1, 2018, sent to Mac Visionaries: ". Okay, as for the upcoming iOS devices? I think that many companies will be adopting under-the-screen fingerprint reading technology. If Apple adds this feature to this year's phones, I'll be delighted and will probably buy one. However, if, as I strongly suspect, they do not include the new finger print technology and completely remove Touch ID from the new devices, then I'll stay pat with my 8 Plus as I really do love this phone. I strongly suspect that the 8 series will continue to be sold for those who are not ready/willing to abandon Touch ID. Perhaps, next year, then, the new finger print reading technology will be ready for Apple primetime. Just my opinion, of course. Mark" Part 2: I tried the first phone with an in-display fingerprint sensor, The Verge I tried the first phone with an in-display fingerprint sensor By Vlad Savov After an entire year of speculation about whether Apple or Samsung might integrate the fingerprint sensor under the display of their flagship phones, it is actually China's Vivo that has gotten there first. At CES 2018, I got to grips with the first smartphone to have this futuristic tech built in, and I was left a little bewildered by the experience. The mechanics of setting up your fingerprint on the phone and then using it to unlock the device and do things like authenticate payments are the same as with a traditional fingerprint sensor. The only difference I experienced was that the Vivo handset was slower - both to learn the contours of my fingerprint and to unlock once I put my thumb on the on-screen fingerprint prompt - but not so much as to be problematic. Basically, every other fingerprint sensor these days is ridiculously fast and accurate, so with this being newer tech, its slight lag feels more palpable. The biggest unfulfilled promise of 2017 is becoming a reality in 2018 Vivo is using a newly announced Synaptics optical sensor, which has been in development for years. It works by peering through the gaps between the pixels in an OLED display (LCDs wouldn't work because of their need for a backlight) and scanning your uniquely patterned epidermis. This is likely the tech that Synaptics and Samsung were collaborating on for the Galaxy S8 for last year, right up until it became apparent that it wouldn't be ready in time for the phone's release. Things are different now, as Vivo is close to announcing this as-yet-unnamed phone properly and Synaptics is already in mass production with the so-called Clear ID sensor. The uncanny thing for me with this phone is how obvious and immediately intuitive the in-display fingerprint system is. This 6-inch phone has the minimal bezels of something like the OnePlus 5T, but it also happens to unlock when I put my finger at the bottom of its screen. The technological aspect is just totally invisible and, if you're not paying attention to how challenging this is technically, it feels almost pedestrian and unimpressive. Like, of course, that's how it always should have been. Original Article at: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/1/9/16867536/vivo-fingerprint-r eader-integrated-display- Part 3: In-Screen Fingerprint Reader Explained: Here's Everything You Need to Know In-Screen Fingerprint Reader Explained: Here's Everything You Need to Know By Omar Sohail Apple's iPhone 5s started the whole smartphone biometrics saga with the introduction of Touch ID. The fingerprint scanner element is now ubiquitous, embedded in home buttons, mounted on the back side of mobile phones and even placed on the side beneath the home button of handsets. Naturally, the development of faster and more accurate fingerprint readers led to the makings of newer ways of unlocking your smartphone. This includes facial recognition like Face ID and something that we will be discussing in detail today; the in-screen fingerprint reader. As we see more high screen-to-body ratio smartphones getting released, a consequence of this action is the where to put the fingerprint reader, which is often moved to the back of the phone to compensate for those 'all screen' handsets. Related Nokia 9 to Be First Flagship From HMD Global to Ship With an in-Glass Fingerprint Scanner However, having an in-screen fingerprint reader will forego this change and we will explain what its internals are like and what are the possibilities for the future of smartphones. Synaptics Hard at Work With Its Clear ID FS9500 Intended for High-End Smartphones Synaptics and Vivo have this long-term partnership that enabled the making of the Clear ID FS9500, which is an optical sensor that can be placed beneath the display of the smartphone. In short, it is an optical sensor, or a CMOS sensor, the kind that you find in regular or smartphone cameras. In order for it to work, there are going to have to be some requirements. Related Samsung's Galaxy S9 Will Not Tout a Fingerprint Sensor Underneath the Display - Different Manufacturer Will Get That Privilege The display on the smartphone needs to be an OLED panel, which is why you are only going to find it on devices that are touting OLED screens and that can only mean that for now, high-end phones will come bearing this security addition. Goodix is also working to bring in-display fingerprint scanners to manufacturers so more suppliers also mean that companies will be able to negotiate better pricing for this component. How Does the in-Screen Fingerprint Reader Work? When you hold up the phone, the fingerprint sensor indicator will light up, meaning that you can now unlock your smartphone using this part of the biometrics. According to videos seen online, it is definitely slower than regular fingerprint readers so improved iterations of the scanner will have to be introduced to make it faster. This is possibly the reason why Samsung might have refused to incorporate this sensor on the Galaxy S9 and Galaxy S9 Plus. As thin as it might be to fit inside the display, it is quite slow, and though it is present at an 'easy to reach' location, users will definitely complain about the speed problems. Coming back to unlocking the device, after you have placed your fingerprint on the scanner, a light will shine on the sensor to capture your fingerprint and unlock the smartphone. However, this is just the beginning of such sensors because it does not have to be located in a single region on the phone. What Are the Possibilities of the in-Display Fingerprint Scanner for Future Smartphones? As we said before, the sensor does not have to be placed at a single location. During the announcement of the Vivo APEX, which is honestly the first glimpse into the future of what bezel-less smartphones will look like, it too features an in-glass fingerprint reader, but here's the catch. The bottom half of the phone is covered by this CMOS sensor, which the company is calling it the 'Half-Screen Fingerprint Scanning Technology'. This means that you place your finger anywhere at the bottom half and if your fingerprint is registered, the phone will unlock seamlessly. This development also means that there is a future where we might get to see smartphones with their entire displays being covered with the sensor. All you will have to do is whip it out, place your finger anywhere and immediately, the phone will be unlocked. That is certainly a future that we will look forward to witnessing but for that specific future to materialize and become a reality, better versions of the fingerprint are going to have to be released. Original Article at: https://wccftech.com/in-screen-fingerprint-reader-explained/ Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. 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