Phillo or Sling TV

[sarai.bucciarelli]

Hi All:

I'm thinking of switching from ATT TV streaming which is usable on Apple TV
over iphone.  to either Phillo or Sling.

ATT went up on price and Phillo and Sling are cheaper. I'd use on my Apple
TV, phone, or my future Roku. So which do you guys like better? Which is
more usable?

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Re: WWDC

[Terje Strømberg]

I like Apple Music's losless audio. About time. Also looking forward to
test icloud vpn.. Testing different vpn solotions. Using Guardian Firewall
+ vpn at the moment. Looks promising. Could be good to have icloud vpn when
using safari maybe. Safari is pretty good to use when loging into sites
using two fa two factor atentication. Authy app's six digits. Fast. Really
enjoying Ry Cooder album from2018 in losless audio.

Take care



tor. 10. jun. 2021 kl. 01:29 skrev Devin Prater :

> Mmm, guess I should get into Clubhouse more. I’m more interested in the
> Spatial Audio, and the stereo Spacial Audio simulation thing. And ambient
> sound. Just all the audio stuff!
> Devin Prater
> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Jun 9, 2021, at 6:24 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>
> First, I like that Apple does things no other company attempts to do.
> I am interested in the changes in Apple Maps. Supposedly, the end user
> will be able to point his camera when getting off a train and the
> iPhone will tell him exactly where he is and give turn by turn walking
> directions to his final destination. iOS 15 is able to determine exact
> location by analyzing the look of the buildings around the end user
> and comparing it to Apple Maps.
>
> As for list chatter, the keynote, which lasted for more than an hour
> and a half, was audio described. This was followed by a Clubhouse
> gathering facilitated by Jonathan Mosen which listed for nearly two
> hours.  After more than 3.5 hours of information and chatter on iOS 15
> and Apple software, I am at the point of exhaustion.
>
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
> On 6/9/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>
> Assuming you are not being tongue-in-cheek, I have friends in their 70's
> who
> do tons of hiking/mountain climbing.
> When talking to health professionals, they focus in on those kinds of
> features because of their clients with all kinds of disabilities, not just
> aging, grin.
> Someone in their 50's with Parkinson's disease for one example.  There are
> many medical conditions that contribute to balance problems other than
> Simon's drinking, grin.
>
> I think I will stay off this thread and follow a bit of cowboy wisdom I ran
> across yesterday in a book I was reading; "When your horse is dead, get off
> it."
>
> Later,
>
>
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 8:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: WWDC
>
> Richard, I think you got it wrong. Let's not forget Chelsea or whoever it
> was during the keynote who showed off the new Photos features, she was a
> young, professional San Francisco Bay area person and apparently likes
> mountain climbing so maybe the fall detection feature is for people like
> her.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Anna
> Dresner
> Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 1:00 PM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: WWDC
>
> Hi,
>
> I think the focus features will be great for anyone who is easily
> distracted, including people with ADD and similar issues. I think it's
> great
> that they are making it possible for people with more and more different
> kinds of needs to use these devices. The great thing is that you can use
> the
> features you need and ignore the rest.
>
> Cheers,
> Anna
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:
>
> Fascinating, Mark, so you think the young, rich, bay area people are going
> to be needing the hearing aid features, the fall risk features, and others
> I won't bother with here.
>
> I could not disagree more with your statement.
>
> Simon, Several of the health features are clearly targeting older adults.
> You may not be there yet, but those are going to be good features for the
> vast majority of people using iPhones one day.
>
> I know someone who was helped greatly by the fall detection as they live
> alone and the fact that their watch alerted her emergency contacts that
> she had fallen, was possibly a life saver.
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
> Web site:
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C2ffd9536357d4c37270808d92b5ab00e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637588490767732571%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=4SZdyIURC1fyQh2B3CresCKcUWt49XDIodB4%2Fv1Fxcg%3Dreserved=0
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
> Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 12:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: WWDC
>
> Hello Simon,
>
> I share your sentiment especially regarding the new Focus feature.  Then
> again, we must always remember that many of these features are based on
> the needs of young, rich, highly active San Francisco Bay area based
> users.
>

Re: A problem with dictation in apps

[Anthony Vece]

Sherry;
I am having the same issue in any app I am using.It’s nerve-racking. Stay safe
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone 12 Pro!!!

> On Jun 13, 2021, at 7:08 PM, Sherrie Gosling  wrote:
> 
> After updating to 14.6 I can no longer use dictation in the Amazon app.
> 
> Sent from Sherrie's iPhone
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 13, 2021, at 3:26 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I've never used either of those apps; so it could be something with the 
>> update and those apps.
>> Try it somewhere like Notes, or Email and see if it behaves the same way.
>> If it does, then I'd contact Apple Accessibility.
>> HTH,
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> Software means never having to say you're finished
>> 
>> Web site: www.turner42.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rafal 
>> Marzec
>> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2021 12:19 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: A problem with dictation in apps
>> 
>> Just two finger tap on a typing field
>> At the moment I’ve noticed this problem in Facebook messenger and WhatsApp
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On 13 Jun 2021, at 8:14 pm, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> How exactly are you starting dictation?
>>> 
>>> And, in which apps?
>>> 
>>> Exact steps will help duplicate the issue or find a solution.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> Software means never having to say you're finished
>>> 
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>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Rafal Marzec
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2021 12:09 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: A problem with dictation in apps
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone
>>> I've noticed huge problems with dictation in apps When I'm starting to 
>>> dictate something dictation function is turning off and this is not because 
>>> of the Internet Switching between the language keyboards help think for a 
>>> moment but after some few sentences lwhen I'm trying to dictate again it's 
>>> turning off It's also helping for a moment after closing the app on the app 
>>> switcher and open it again but it just helping for one time dictation Has 
>>> anyone experienced such problems as well?
>>> 
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Re: A problem with dictation in apps

[Sherrie Gosling]

After updating to 14.6 I can no longer use dictation in the Amazon app.

Sent from Sherrie's iPhone



> On Jun 13, 2021, at 3:26 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I've never used either of those apps; so it could be something with the 
> update and those apps.
> Try it somewhere like Notes, or Email and see if it behaves the same way.
> If it does, then I'd contact Apple Accessibility.
> HTH,
> 
> 
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
> 
> Web site: www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rafal 
> Marzec
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2021 12:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A problem with dictation in apps
> 
> Just two finger tap on a typing field
> At the moment I’ve noticed this problem in Facebook messenger and WhatsApp
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 13 Jun 2021, at 8:14 pm, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> How exactly are you starting dictation?
>> 
>> And, in which apps?
>> 
>> Exact steps will help duplicate the issue or find a solution.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> Software means never having to say you're finished
>> 
>> Web site: 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
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>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Rafal Marzec
>> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2021 12:09 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: A problem with dictation in apps
>> 
>> Hello everyone
>> I've noticed huge problems with dictation in apps When I'm starting to 
>> dictate something dictation function is turning off and this is not because 
>> of the Internet Switching between the language keyboards help think for a 
>> moment but after some few sentences lwhen I'm trying to dictate again it's 
>> turning off It's also helping for a moment after closing the app on the app 
>> switcher and open it again but it just helping for one time dictation Has 
>> anyone experienced such problems as well?
>> 
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Tiles?

[Ann Byrne]

I bought tiles.  Not the iPhone ones, but the tiles that have been 
around for a while.  Can anyone give me a quick course in how to use 
the things, and what if any iPhone settings I need to change?


Thx,

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RE: A problem with dictation in apps

[Richard Turner]

I've never used either of those apps; so it could be something with the update 
and those apps.
Try it somewhere like Notes, or Email and see if it behaves the same way.
If it does, then I'd contact Apple Accessibility.
HTH,


Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rafal 
Marzec
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2021 12:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A problem with dictation in apps

Just two finger tap on a typing field
At the moment I’ve noticed this problem in Facebook messenger and WhatsApp

Sent from my iPhone

> On 13 Jun 2021, at 8:14 pm, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> How exactly are you starting dictation?
> 
> And, in which apps?
> 
> Exact steps will help duplicate the issue or find a solution.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
> 
> Web site: 
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Rafal Marzec
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2021 12:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: A problem with dictation in apps
> 
> Hello everyone
> I've noticed huge problems with dictation in apps When I'm starting to 
> dictate something dictation function is turning off and this is not because 
> of the Internet Switching between the language keyboards help think for a 
> moment but after some few sentences lwhen I'm trying to dictate again it's 
> turning off It's also helping for a moment after closing the app on the app 
> switcher and open it again but it just helping for one time dictation Has 
> anyone experienced such problems as well?
> 
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Re: A problem with dictation in apps

[Rafał Marzec]

Just two finger tap on a typing field
At the moment I’ve noticed this problem in Facebook
messenger
and WhatsApp

Sent from my iPhone

> On 13 Jun 2021, at 8:14 pm, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> How exactly are you starting dictation?
> 
> And, in which apps?
> 
> Exact steps will help duplicate the issue or find a solution.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
> 
> Web site: www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Marzec
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> Subject: A problem with dictation in apps
> 
> Hello everyone
> I've noticed huge problems with dictation in apps When I'm starting to 
> dictate something dictation function is turning off and this is not because 
> of the Internet Switching between the language keyboards help think for a 
> moment but after some few sentences lwhen I'm trying to dictate again it's 
> turning off It's also helping for a moment after closing the app on the app 
> switcher and open it again but it just helping for one time dictation Has 
> anyone experienced such problems as well?
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RE: A problem with dictation in apps

[Richard Turner]

How exactly are you starting dictation?

And, in which apps?

Exact steps will help duplicate the issue or find a solution.

Thanks,


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rafal 
Marzec
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2021 12:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A problem with dictation in apps

Hello everyone
I've noticed huge problems with dictation in apps When I'm starting to dictate 
something dictation function is turning off and this is not because of the 
Internet Switching between the language keyboards help think for a moment but 
after some few sentences lwhen I'm trying to dictate again it's turning off 
It's also helping for a moment after closing the app on the app switcher and 
open it again but it just helping for one time dictation Has anyone experienced 
such problems as well?

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A problem with dictation in apps

[Rafał Marzec]

Hello everyone
I’ve noticed huge problems with dictation in apps
When I’m starting to dictate something dictation function is turning off and 
this is not because of the Internet
Switching between the language keyboards help think for a moment but after some 
few sentences lwhen I’m trying to dictate again it’s turning off
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open it again but it just helping for one time dictation
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Re: iOS Update Affecting Apple Smart Battery Case

[Joe Orozco]

OK, it makes me feel better to have found you and another individual
who are seeing the same issue. Are we aware of a means to send this
problem up to Apple? I'm sure someone by now should have noticed the
issue, but I don't know if there's a way to log the problem. Thanks
for responding.--Joe

On 6/13/21, Julian  wrote:
> Hi Joe,
>
> I've been experiencing similar behavior as well with my iPhone SE 2020 and
> smart battery case. It seems to be intermittent, meaning that sometimes that
> happens some days it doesn't. I have not yet found any one thing that I can
> do to either trigger or fix it. Hopefully Apple addresses this soon. After
> all, that's the whole point of using their smart battery case over
> aftermarket products.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 13, 2021, at 7:50 AM, Joe Orozco  wrote:
>>
>> Hi, ever since I updated to iOS 14.6, my phone seems to have trouble
>> syncing up with the Apple battery case. Whereas before the battery
>> would read 100% until the case itself was drained, it will now give a
>> percentage, say it’s charging, but in truth, it is draining my phone
>> battery. I thought it might be giving me a more accurate readout of
>> the state of the case, given it’s saying it’s charging, but no, when
>> it drops to 20%, I am alerted to the low battery. I removed the case,
>> reattached it, and at least yesterday, it seemed to work again, but
>> this morning it is back to doing the same thing. I have no reason to
>> believe the issue is with the case itself. When plugged in separate
>> from the phone, I still see the LED lights indicating juice power. Has
>> anyone else seen this? Any ideas?
>>
>> Joe
>>
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Re: iOS Update Affecting Apple Smart Battery Case

[Julian]

Hi Joe,

I've been experiencing similar behavior as well with my iPhone SE 2020 and 
smart battery case. It seems to be intermittent, meaning that sometimes that 
happens some days it doesn't. I have not yet found any one thing that I can do 
to either trigger or fix it. Hopefully Apple addresses this soon. After all, 
that's the whole point of using their smart battery case over aftermarket 
products.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 13, 2021, at 7:50 AM, Joe Orozco  wrote:
> 
> Hi, ever since I updated to iOS 14.6, my phone seems to have trouble
> syncing up with the Apple battery case. Whereas before the battery
> would read 100% until the case itself was drained, it will now give a
> percentage, say it’s charging, but in truth, it is draining my phone
> battery. I thought it might be giving me a more accurate readout of
> the state of the case, given it’s saying it’s charging, but no, when
> it drops to 20%, I am alerted to the low battery. I removed the case,
> reattached it, and at least yesterday, it seemed to work again, but
> this morning it is back to doing the same thing. I have no reason to
> believe the issue is with the case itself. When plugged in separate
> from the phone, I still see the LED lights indicating juice power. Has
> anyone else seen this? Any ideas?
> 
> Joe
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iOS Update Affecting Apple Smart Battery Case

[Joe Orozco]

Hi, ever since I updated to iOS 14.6, my phone seems to have trouble
syncing up with the Apple battery case. Whereas before the battery
would read 100% until the case itself was drained, it will now give a
percentage, say it’s charging, but in truth, it is draining my phone
battery. I thought it might be giving me a more accurate readout of
the state of the case, given it’s saying it’s charging, but no, when
it drops to 20%, I am alerted to the low battery. I removed the case,
reattached it, and at least yesterday, it seemed to work again, but
this morning it is back to doing the same thing. I have no reason to
believe the issue is with the case itself. When plugged in separate
from the phone, I still see the LED lights indicating juice power. Has
anyone else seen this? Any ideas?

Joe


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Re: Major problem with latest iOS

[CHELA Robles]

Well this must be head on later iPhones not mine, I own an 8+ so I don’t have 
to deal with that feature and if it is available for iPhone 8+, I know now what 
to avoid.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 13, 2021, at 7:41 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I really blame Apple for that feature which is really still at the beginners 
> stage and has never been developed and looked after seriously. I hope in the 
> next update Apple stops or hides this feature there are too few cases in 
> which the feature comes in handy and in most cases ik causes many many 
> problems.
> Davy 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Tim Leet
> Verzonden: vrijdag 11 juni 2021 17:34
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Major problem with latest iOS
> 
> Attention everyone, the latest iOS update has caused major problems. I 
> currently cannot use Microsoft outlook nor can I use Aira. When I try to open 
> these apps the only thing you get is a blank screen. I think one of the 
> reasons for this is because we turned screen recognition on while I was in 
> the app the other day. We did a reset on the phone and did a back up through 
> iTunes, called Apple and they did a screen share and video and send a ticket 
> to the tech-support. They ask that anyone that is having problems with any 
> app not opening to please contact them and let them know about it so they can 
> try to find the problem. My wife is also having difficulty with an app she 
> downloaded yesterday it was working she turned screen recognition on to try 
> to figure out something in the app and it will not load anymore. So the best 
> advice I could give you is do not turn screen recognition on if you do you 
> may not be able to use the app that you turned it on with because you 
> definitely can’t turn it off once this happens. Again anyone having these 
> problems need to let Apple know.
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Re: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

[Donna Casteen]

Richard,

Here is the link to the Radish app in case you want to check out how screen 
recognition can help to make an app accessible to use. The app is Free. I can't 
recall, you may have to create an account. Remember SR does not make the app 
100% accessible with a smooth use of the app. SR does make the app accessible 
enough to be able to use the app for reading the stories & buying in-app 
purchases, which I refuse to do.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/radish-fiction/id1076491465

Donna

> 
> 
> Thanks Donna,
> I have not heard of those apps, but  I’m glad Screen Recognition is useful 
> somewhere.
> I’ve never found any place it helped.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
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> Casteen
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2021 7:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader
>  
> Richard,
>  
> The apps that I use that screen recognition makes the app accessible are 
> UCHealth. This app is mostly accessible. SR is needed to get drop down menus 
> to open, put focus on text fields for entering in dates. Getting out., this 
> app is mostly accessible. SR is needed to open drop down menus, access text 
> fields for entering dates, credit card info & the I agree check box. Go 
> visits, SR is needed to enter dates & drop down menus, so that the entire 
> list of menu items are visible & can be selected. Radish, this app is the 
> least accessible of the 4 apps. Without SR most of the elements of the app 
> are not visible & can not be activated by tapping. With the use of SR the tab 
> bar along the bottom is visible, the Back arrows are visible, other tabs 
> within the app can be activated by tapping. SR has to be toggled On/Off a lot 
> during use of the app. A good understanding & how to use SR is most 
> definitely necessary. A new iPhone user may have trouble using the app.
>  
> Donna
> 
>  
> 
> Donna
> Would you mind sharing the name of the apps where Screen Recognition helps?  
> If not, tha tis fine.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
> 
>  
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
> Casteen
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2021 11:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader
>  
> I have 4 apps in which screen recognition helps with making certain parts of 
> each app accessible. Without screen recognition these apps would be 
> unaccessible to voiceover users. The problem with screen recognitions 
> usability within an app isn't consistent. With the inconsistent behavior 
> within any one app, this confuses most voiceover users. The biggest problem & 
> it is inconsistent- When an app is updated, screen recognition gets turned on 
> during the update. & when an app is first downloaded screen recognition is on 
> by default. This is also inconsistent. I have yet figured out why some apps, 
> when being updated or downloaded for the first time, screen recognition gets 
> turned on, while other apps screen recognition has to be turned on by the 
> rotor or selecting the app in voice recognition in accessibility voiceover 
> settings. Unfortunately, I have no second device in which to use to beta test 
> screen recognition, so that the feature is usable for all voiceover users. 
> Screen recognition is a great feature when it works as intended.
>  
> Donna
>   
>  
> 
> I just tested this, I have screen recognition turned on in Voiceover 
> Settings, but all apps were deselected. I tried this now by selecting Aira 
> and 3 random other apps and I can confirm that none of these apps worked 
> after I selected them for screen recognition.
> They would open and were in the app switcher, but the only part of the screen 
> Voiceover would read was the status bar at the top, anywhere else on the 
> screen it would just ding.
> I then turned/deselected these apps again and still Voiceover would not read 
> anything even removing the apps from the app switcher and trying again was 
> the same, only after closing all apps and turning my iphone off and back on 
> restored the prior behaviour where Aira and the other apps would again work 
> as before. I should also mention that with these apps selected for Screen 
> Recognition in Settings, the Screen Recognition rotor item was not present, 
> now after deselecting thema nd rebooting the iPhone, screen recognition is 
> once again available in the rotor and turning it on from inside the app does 
> not make the app unusable, it will just make it less useable in some cases as 
> I described yesterday using Facebook and the App Store as examples.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dana 
> Leet
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 8:23 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader
>  
> Good 

RE: Major problem with latest iOS

[davycuppens]

I really blame Apple for that feature which is really still at the beginners 
stage and has never been developed and looked after seriously. I hope in the 
next update Apple stops or hides this feature there are too few cases in which 
the feature comes in handy and in most cases ik causes many many problems.
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Tim Leet
Verzonden: vrijdag 11 juni 2021 17:34
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Major problem with latest iOS

Attention everyone, the latest iOS update has caused major problems. I 
currently cannot use Microsoft outlook nor can I use Aira. When I try to open 
these apps the only thing you get is a blank screen. I think one of the reasons 
for this is because we turned screen recognition on while I was in the app the 
other day. We did a reset on the phone and did a back up through iTunes, called 
Apple and they did a screen share and video and send a ticket to the 
tech-support. They ask that anyone that is having problems with any app not 
opening to please contact them and let them know about it so they can try to 
find the problem. My wife is also having difficulty with an app she downloaded 
yesterday it was working she turned screen recognition on to try to figure out 
something in the app and it will not load anymore. So the best advice I could 
give you is do not turn screen recognition on if you do you may not be able to 
use the app that you turned it on with because you definitely can’t turn it off 
once this happens. Again anyone having these problems need to let Apple know.

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RE: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

[Richard Turner]

Thanks Donna,
I have not heard of those apps, but  I’m glad Screen Recognition is useful 
somewhere.
I’ve never found any place it helped.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2021 7:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

Richard,

The apps that I use that screen recognition makes the app accessible are 
UCHealth. This app is mostly accessible. SR is needed to get drop down menus to 
open, put focus on text fields for entering in dates. Getting out., this app is 
mostly accessible. SR is needed to open drop down menus, access text fields for 
entering dates, credit card info & the I agree check box. Go visits, SR is 
needed to enter dates & drop down menus, so that the entire list of menu items 
are visible & can be selected. Radish, this app is the least accessible of the 
4 apps. Without SR most of the elements of the app are not visible & can not be 
activated by tapping. With the use of SR the tab bar along the bottom is 
visible, the Back arrows are visible, other tabs within the app can be 
activated by tapping. SR has to be toggled On/Off a lot during use of the app. 
A good understanding & how to use SR is most definitely necessary. A new iPhone 
user may have trouble using the app.

Donna



Donna
Would you mind sharing the name of the apps where Screen Recognition helps?  If 
not, tha tis fine.



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: 
www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2021 11:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

I have 4 apps in which screen recognition helps with making certain parts of 
each app accessible. Without screen recognition these apps would be 
unaccessible to voiceover users. The problem with screen recognitions usability 
within an app isn't consistent. With the inconsistent behavior within any one 
app, this confuses most voiceover users. The biggest problem & it is 
inconsistent- When an app is updated, screen recognition gets turned on during 
the update. & when an app is first downloaded screen recognition is on by 
default. This is also inconsistent. I have yet figured out why some apps, when 
being updated or downloaded for the first time, screen recognition gets turned 
on, while other apps screen recognition has to be turned on by the rotor or 
selecting the app in voice recognition in accessibility voiceover settings. 
Unfortunately, I have no second device in which to use to beta test screen 
recognition, so that the feature is usable for all voiceover users. Screen 
recognition is a great feature when it works as intended.

Donna



I just tested this, I have screen recognition turned on in Voiceover Settings, 
but all apps were deselected. I tried this now by selecting Aira and 3 random 
other apps and I can confirm that none of these apps worked after I selected 
them for screen recognition.
They would open and were in the app switcher, but the only part of the screen 
Voiceover would read was the status bar at the top, anywhere else on the screen 
it would just ding.
I then turned/deselected these apps again and still Voiceover would not read 
anything even removing the apps from the app switcher and trying again was the 
same, only after closing all apps and turning my iphone off and back on 
restored the prior behaviour where Aira and the other apps would again work as 
before. I should also mention that with these apps selected for Screen 
Recognition in Settings, the Screen Recognition rotor item was not present, now 
after deselecting thema nd rebooting the iPhone, screen recognition is once 
again available in the rotor and turning it on from inside the app does not 
make the app unusable, it will just make it less useable in some cases as I 
described yesterday using Facebook and the App Store as examples.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Dana 
Leet
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 8:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

Good morning everyone. I thought I would respond to this message in hopes that 
a lot of you will read it. There is definitely a major bug with this latest iOS 
update 14.6 it is 

Re: Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS, updated info about the Applications key

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Richard,
Thank you. Yes, this is very helpful. I will be waiting until Prime Days next 
Monday and Tuesday and order then. Without documentation, your review is 
particularly useful. Have a good day.
Best,

Les

> On Jun 12, 2021, at 11:28 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> For the computer, you plug the Usb dongle into a USB port on your compputer, 
> and press the first device key; The first of the three device keys is already 
> paired to that USB dogle.
> To pair then with a bluetooth device; like an iPhone.
> Do the usual, and open the Bluetooth settings on your iPhone.
> Then hold down the device 2 or 3 key on the keyboard. When the keyboard shows 
> up, double tap on it and they are paired.
> You can now just press the device key you want for the device you'd like to 
> use with the keyboard.
> HTH,
> 
> 
> 
> Richard 
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
> people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
> 
> www.turner42.com 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2021, at 2:41 PM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Richard,
>> 
>> I appreciate your review, it is very helpful. I am planning to purchase this 
>> keyboard in the next week or so. My question is this. How do you set up a 
>> Bluetooth pairing with this keyboard? I know about the three assignment keys 
>> and I’m wondering if that is part of the process. Thanks.
>> Best,
>> 
>> Hi Richard,
>> 
>> I appreciate your review, it is very helpful. I am planning to purchase this 
>> keyboard in the next week or so. My question is this. How do you set up a 
>> Bluetooth pairing with this keyboard? I know about the three assignment keys 
>> and I’m wondering if that is part of the process. Thanks.
>> Best,
>> Les
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Richard Turner >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS
>>>  
>>> I needed a new keyboard as my 15-year-old USB keyboard was starting to have 
>>> problems with a few keys and my old hands are deciding that it is time to 
>>> go back to an ergonomic keyboard.
>>> So, after doing some research, I settled on what is rated as one of the 
>>> better ergonomic keyboards.
>>>  
>>> I was not set on wireless, but that is the way the world is going and since 
>>> I like Logitech products in general, I went with this one.
>>> Logitech K860 Split wireless Ergonomic keyboard.  It is pricy at $130.
>>> I'll start with the negatives.
>>>  
>>> Cons:
>>> (When I first wrote this up, I thought there was no Applications Key, but 
>>> there is, listed as number 8 under Pros.)
>>> 1.  Only one Windows key on the left.
>>> 2.  No accessible documentation.  And no true documentation about the 
>>> hieroglyphic symbols   used on some of the keys.
>>> 3.  It is too easy to toggle to the media functions for the function keys.
>>> 4.  It is pretty large.  Left to right it is the same width as my standard 
>>> Wired USB keyboard.  Front to back it is about 1.5 times as deep.  And, of 
>>> course, much higher off the desk at the front edge due to the curve for the 
>>> ergonomics of the thing.
>>> 5.  *Not really a con, just the nature of ergonomic keyboards, but the 
>>> split is between the 6 and 7, (and f6 and f7) keys, so for touch typists, 
>>> the habit of hitting the 6and F6 with your right index finger has to be 
>>> retrained.
>>>  
>>> Pros:
>>> 1.  It is probably the most comfortable keyboard I have ever typed on.  The 
>>> wrist rest is quite comfortable, and for me, at the right height Plus, it 
>>> has feet under the front edge so you can raise it up to a more level 
>>> arrangement which fits me perfectly.  It is already on a slight angle so no 
>>> real need for feet in the back.
>>> 2.  Easy setup with or without the Logitech Options package.  I plugged in 
>>> the USB receiver turned on the keyboard and Windows 10 had no trouble 
>>> communicating with it.  There is a little key next to the f12 key that 
>>> toggles you between standard function keys and the media function keys.  
>>> Easy to press accidentally.
>>> 3.  It takes two triple A batteries, and they say that they will last 2 
>>> years.  I believe it based on my experience with the K480.
>>> 4.  This is a full-sized keyboard with the number pad.
>>> 5.  If I used the Windows Calculator more, this has a designated key above 
>>> the Num-lock key to launch the Windows Calculator.
>>> 6.  It can connect to 3 devices.  Either 3 Bluetooth devices or 1 USB and 2 
>>> Bluetooth, and/or possibly 2 USB devices and one Bluetooth, that isn't 
>>> clear.  Connecting it to my iPhone was easy after I called their support 
>>> line.
>>> The three keys for switching between devices are right above the 6 pack, 
>>> making it a 9 pack.
>>> It is tremendously easy to switch devices.  I wanted to check a key 
>>> function on my iPhone while I was writing this, so I tapped the