Re: Jonathan. A very nice, well written book on iOS 8

2014-09-17 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
Yes, a very nice book indeed! Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 17/09/2014 06:13, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Thanks a lot Neal, really appreciate that a lot, the feedback has been wonderful so far. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness

Re: Jonathan. A very nice, well written book on iOS 8

2014-09-17 Thread Les Kriegler
Has the boat been released to the public? I ask because I purchased the book, but I have not seen any announcements on it's release. Thanks. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:36 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Yes, a very nice book indeed! Christopher

Re: Jonathan. A very nice, well written book on iOS 8

2014-09-17 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
The book is out now I got an email earlier. The public release is out some time today depending on your part of the world. Just look for it in your software updates. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 17/09/2014 10:43, Les Kriegler wrote: Has

RE: Jonathan. A very nice, well written book on iOS 8

2014-09-17 Thread Scott Erichsen
Yes. The book has. Contact Jonathan on www.mosen.org -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2014 7:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Jonathan. A very nice, well written book

Re: There's Something About that 5.5 Screen Size

2014-09-17 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I guess time will tell, but if Apple was sitting back waiting for the market to sort out what screen size was ideal, they were playing a pretty risky game. They've lost something like 10% to 12% market share to Samsung and other phones chiefly due to Apple's smaller screen sizes. Meanwhile,

RE: There's Something About that 5.5 Screen Size

2014-09-17 Thread Kliphton Senior
That was smart by apple. And if you have been looking on twitter, and other social media sites. It quotes and shows a table of 45 percent of galaxy android users turning their phone in to get the 6Plus. Apple makes too much money to worry about the little boy on the block. They release 1 hand

RE: Jonathan. A very nice, well written book on iOS 8

2014-09-17 Thread BrianMiller
Jonathan, Can you remind me where I can get a copy of your new book? Thanks, Brian Miller From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:13 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Jonathan.

Re: There's Something About that 5.5 Screen Size

2014-09-17 Thread Ben Mustill-Rose
The thing with a lot of these changes is that you're more or less forced to love them if you're buying a new device. I'm sure that most people will really like the new form factors after a while, but the same applies for most new things that you'll be using every day - E.G. you simply get used to

Re: There's Something About that 5.5 Screen Size

2014-09-17 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I'm not sure I'd consider Samsung the little boy on the block. Android has 85% of the smart phone market share http://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-os-market-share.jsp and Samsung has twice the market share of Apple http://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-market-share.jsp Apple market share

More in OIS in iPhone6 Plus

2014-09-17 Thread Alex Hall
Hi all, I was just reading a few reviews about the OIS (optical image stabilization) in the iPhone6 Plus. The consensus seems to be that it's mostly helpful in low light, and shows more for long exposures than regular pictures. Will it help in OCR? Maybe, but the more I read, the more I think

Re: Jonathan. A very nice, well written book on iOS 8

2014-09-17 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Hi Brian, sure. http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/ Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 17/09/2014, at 11:37 pm, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, Can you remind

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RE: my iPhone 4ws

2014-09-17 Thread Rose Combs
I use a 4S, but it is beginning to be a bit flaky, have had it for over two years. It will get traded in eventually. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen G. Hughes Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 1:31 PM To:

Re: More in OIS in iPhone6 Plus

2014-09-17 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
I read a review in The Wall Street Journal and got the same impression. In fact, he was given accesss to both the IPhone 6 and 6+ to play with for a week and found that the 6 was more comfortable even though the 6+ had no issues fitting into any of his pockets. I held off placing an order because

Re: Mail questions

2014-09-17 Thread Terrie Arnold
ok so has anyone noticed if you do delete the mail in the junk or trash files is that they come back , have tried to do this for serveral days , I think this worked this morning but will have to go back and look this is ios 7 not the new one Terrie On Sep 16,

Re: More in OIS in iPhone6 Plus

2014-09-17 Thread Cheryl Homiak
These are such individual issues, at least the size one is, that i think people are just going to either have to wait until they see both or make a decision based on what they have heard or what they think their preferences will be. Personally, I don't see the larger size of the 6+ to be a

Re: More in OIS in iPhone6 Plus

2014-09-17 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
On 9/17/14, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote: These are such individual issues, at least the size one is, that i think people are just going to either have to wait until they see both or make a decision based on what they have heard or what they think their preferences will be.

Listening to Cool Blind Tech (iOS 8 Update Advice.)

2014-09-17 Thread Gadget Girl
Click here to download iOS 8 Update Advice. In this mini VIP Round Table, Nelson, Shaun, Garth Hugo discuss their concerns regarding the iminent release of iOS 8, due to numerous accessibility issues that remain in the Gold Master. Although there are high hopes that the final release will not

RE: There's Something About that 5.5 Screen Size

2014-09-17 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Christopher, You say Android has 85% of the market share, but Samsung is not Android. Yes, you also say Samsung has twice the market share of Apple, but why then are there also statistics which show clearly how Apple's relatively few phones outsell all the other phones. Also, when you look at

Re: There's Something About that 5.5 Screen Size

2014-09-17 Thread Todd W
Have to agree with you Sieghard. I think Apple has the best shot of making large scale mobile payment adoption a reality. Google has had Wallet for several years but it's failed to gain traction. I'm anxious to see how quickly other financial institutions and retailers climb on the ApplePay

Re: Jonathan. A very nice, well written book on iOS 8

2014-09-17 Thread Teresa Cochran
I don't usually read or listen to tutorials, preferring to explore on my own, but I found myself reading various chapters of this book with great interest. Good work. :) I'm sure I'll be keeping it to hand over the next few weeks for sure in case I get stuck. Teresa We can see with the eyes,

Re: Apple Releases U2 Removal Tool, Today

2014-09-17 Thread Teresa Cochran
It's still quite possible to remove anything from your purchase history. I do it from time to time. Anyhow, it's probably more of a psychological tool than anything else. Good marketing strategy to cool panicky folks off. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and

Re: Apple Releases U2 Removal Tool, Today

2014-09-17 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
How do you do that? On 9/17/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: It's still quite possible to remove anything from your purchase history. I do it from time to time. Anyhow, it's probably more of a psychological tool than anything else. Good marketing strategy to cool panicky folks off.

Setting Up VoiceOver On New iPhone

2014-09-17 Thread Ezzie Bueno
Hello friends: In just a couple of days, I will be receiving a brand-new iPhone 5C. How do I set up VO as soon as I pull the phone out of the box? Any help is appreciated! :-) Warm regards, Ezzie Bueno -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new

Re: Setting Up VoiceOver On New iPhone

2014-09-17 Thread Woody Anna Dresner
Hello, If the phone is brand new, you'll be able to turn on VoiceOver as soon as the phone is powered up by pressing the HOme button 3 times. The whole setup process is spoken by VoiceOver. If you're new to the phone, you may need help typing in a network password, if you need a password to

Re: Apple Releases U2 Removal Tool, Today

2014-09-17 Thread Teresa Cochran
You can do it within iTunes from your Purchased playlist, or you can go to the playlists tab in the music app, choose the purchased playlist, and use the action rotor item that appears while in the playlist. Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with

Re: Setting Up VoiceOver On New iPhone

2014-09-17 Thread Alex Hall
Hit the home button 3 times. During setup, this enables VO, and you can use it for the rest of the setup. Once your phone is set up, though, you'll need to go into accessibility settings and set your accessibility shortcut to VoiceOver; after setup, the triple click home reverts to doing

Re: Setting Up VoiceOver On New iPhone

2014-09-17 Thread Flor Lynch
Except that it turns VoiceOver on/off. - Original Message - From: Alex Hall To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:44 PM Subject: Re: Setting Up VoiceOver On New iPhone Hit the home button 3 times. During setup, this enables VO, and you can

IOS 8 now available

2014-09-17 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi list, IOS 8 is now available for download in software update. Thanks. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by

IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
Since IOS is released can we get info from beta testers? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a

RE: Setting Up VoiceOver On New iPhone

2014-09-17 Thread Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
I always get hung up on that first screen that announces Hello in many languages. It's like the screen is non-responsive. Any pointers? Thanks. Keith -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Wednesday,

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Jonathan Mosen
You can, there is also a very thorough bug summary on Applevis. The one bug I would add that is not presently in that article, is that sometimes answering a call with a two-finger double-tap after you've been listening to audio will cause audio to resume rather than answer the call. This can

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
It seems that the bug list for version 8 is much more extensive than years past. I'm downloading it anyway! On 9/17/14, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: You can, there is also a very thorough bug summary on Applevis. The one bug I would add that is not presently in that article, is that

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Dennis Long
can you provide a link to the apple vis article please? On 9/17/2014 1:23 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: You can, there is also a very thorough bug summary on Applevis. The one bug I would add that is not presently in that article, is that sometimes answering a call with a two-finger double-tap

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
Go to their site. It's on the main screen. On 9/17/14, Dennis Long dennisl1...@gmail.com wrote: can you provide a link to the apple vis article please? On 9/17/2014 1:23 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: You can, there is also a very thorough bug summary on Applevis. The one bug I would add that is

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Charles Rivard
I'm sure that we can. All we have to do is to wait until they can get it to us. I will patiently wait. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com

RE: Setting Up VoiceOver On New iPhone

2014-09-17 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Just double tap on it -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:11 AM To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: Setting Up VoiceOver On New iPhone I always get hung

RE: Setting Up VoiceOver On New iPhone

2014-09-17 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
As Alex pointed out, after the initial setup a triple click of the home button does nothing until you go to aAccessibility settings and set it to toggle Voiceover on or off. It will not do so automatically once the iPhone is set up for the first time. From: viphone@googlegroups.com

For those who were asking on a list of iOS 8 bugs

2014-09-17 Thread Cristóbal
http://www.applevis.com/blog/advocacy-apple-braille-ios-news/accessibility-b ugs-ios-8-serious-minor Yeah, so I think I'll pass on upgrading for now. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default.

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Grant Hardy
I am not registered as an iOS developer, so this will be my first experience with iOS 8. The Applevis article notes that setting the status cells option to anything other than off renders VoiceOver totally unusable until a sighted person sets the setting back to off. I suspect that a number of

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Hi, First a reflection for which i'll probably be hanged, whipped, flamed to oblivian and any other awful penalty you can think of.:-) Isn't it strange how for each new release of software, be it IOs, Macos or the like, we tend to whine and complain our faces off about how bad things are and

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
Based on what I read from the article if you use the low vision or braille extensively you shouldn't update yet. On 9/17/14, Grant Hardy grantha...@outlook.com wrote: I am not registered as an iOS developer, so this will be my first experience with iOS 8. The Applevis article notes that setting

RE: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Neal Ewers
If people who are sighted had this many bugs with the new OS, Apple would not have released it. I am tired of developers thinking that they can release something to the public and then, if they have time, fix the bugs that make the device much less stable for people who have a disability. I know,

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
That is not true. Windows and Android have tons of bugs and the sighted world puts up with them. On 9/17/14, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: If people who are sighted had this many bugs with the new OS, Apple would not have released it. I am tired of developers thinking that they

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Alan Paganelli
At 1.1 GB, it's gunna take some time. As of this moment, the progress meter is showing aprox, 3 hours and it's died it seems on 1 percent. I think I'll cancel the download and wait a few days. Alan Sent from my iPad Air On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:24 AM, John Diakogeorgiou

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
The download is definitely slow. It took me about an hour. On 9/17/14, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote: At 1.1 GB, it's gunna take some time. As of this moment, the progress meter is showing aprox, 3 hours and it's died it seems on 1 percent. I think I'll cancel the

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Charles Rivard
I think that you are far, far, far too impatient. You expect it to work perfectly, the very first time out of the box, not even considering all of the work it has taken to produce such a major and complicated overhaul. Did version 7.0 work perfectly the first time? Not hardly. It took a

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Dennis Long
I can say right now from using android the caller id bug you would not have there 3rd party caller id apps that you can get the point is if apple is not meeting your needs then it may be time to look at other options. I certainly wouldn't upgrade to IOS 8. It would appear that apple is not

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Dennis Long
Here is the problem if there aware of these bugs they especially critical ones should be fixed prior to release. Yes true you will have some bugs but this list is huge. On 9/17/2014 2:01 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: I think that you are far, far, far too impatient. You expect it to work

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
If people don't like the bugs they are welcome to deal with Android. It has much better accessability LOL!!! Oh yeah Google has proven many times that they care about the Blind world! On 9/17/14, Dennis Long dennisl1...@gmail.com wrote: I can say right now from using android the caller id bug

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
Yes you're right it's huge but the same can be said of all operating systems. On 9/17/14, Dennis Long dennisl1...@gmail.com wrote: Here is the problem if there aware of these bugs they especially critical ones should be fixed prior to release. Yes true you will have some bugs but this list is

RE: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Neal Ewers
I did not say it had to be perfect, but consider this. If you were developing a popular product that would drastically decrease heart attacks, would you release it first with lots of bugs for people who were blind just because it worked for people who see. Would your company philosophy be that as

RE: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Neal Ewers
That's a fair point just so long as people who are blind don't have a lot more bugs than people who see. If that is true, then they have the same mind-set as Apple seems to be developing. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

RE: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Neal Ewers
Sorry if you get this twice. My email provider has a few bugs today too. Smile. I did not say it had to be perfect, but consider this. If you were developing a popular product that would drastically decrease heart attacks, would you release it first with lots of bugs for people who were blind

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Christina C.
What is the low vision? On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:48 AM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: Based on what I read from the article if you use the low vision or braille extensively you shouldn't update yet. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone

RE: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread dan Thompson
Actually in the days of reliable equipment and software in the 60's and 70's, when one baught a piece of equipment or software, it did as expected according to the advertisements of the company. There was none of the llets put out something and have people buy it. Then this brings in more funds

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Pete Nalda
All a moot point for me. The stupid thing requires me to have 5.8gb free. Won't happen until I can steal a bigger phone.  Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda MySpace.com/musikonalda Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda Twitter: @lpnalda On Sep 17, 2014, at

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Charles Rivard
Maybe it was due to my listening to a screen reader and synthesizer, but your message, to me, had an absolute tone of impatience. If that was not your meaning, I apologize. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! -

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
A couple of things. By vision I meant low vision. So far the phone is dialing properly. This was my main concern. Alex is going to have to take some time to get used too but I like his voice inflections. Finally, you can't compare Voice Over to a tool which is going to save someones life. On

RE: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Scott Duck
Hi, I won't be updating until they have some of the wrinkles ironed out. Yes, IOS 7 was buggy when it was first released, so much so that, if I could have, I would have gone back to IOS 6 until they got some of the bugs fixed. I won't make the mistake of updating to IOS 8 immediately like I did

Re: Setting Up VoiceOver On New iPhone

2014-09-17 Thread RobH.
I think you flick up and down until you hear it say tap to continue, or words to that effect... in English, or language of your choice, and that's the language it'll then install in. Rh. - Original Message - From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu To:

RE: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Neal Ewers
Hi, Yes, It is definitely hard to read between the lines of a screen reader. My Wife, who still writes some things by hand, will use different colored pens to express how she is feeling. It is not impatience you heard, just surprise. I think that long list of bugs caught me quite off guard.

RE: Setting Up VoiceOver On New iPhone

2014-09-17 Thread Anthony Vece
Anywhere on the screen? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:39 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Setting Up VoiceOver On New iPhone Just double tap on it

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Cheryl Homiak
I am downloading it also. I might wait on my ipad because I use braille and bluetooth keyboard more on that but on my iPhone that I am keeping and the one I am recycling I am downloading the new iOS. My new phone will come with it installed anyway so I might just as well deal with it. --

RE: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Neal Ewers
Hi, Thanks for your observations having already loaded the iOS. But be careful about what you say about life saving. One of apple's big pushes is on health. Who knows what one might be able to save when they are able to use the phone. Also, I made the case in a previous message, that companies

Problems with Audible update today?

2014-09-17 Thread Garry Turkington
Hi, Anyone else having issues with the update to Audible that was just released today with iOS8 support? After upgrading I'm having it crash every time I open it. Tried rebooting, clearing out apps from switcher etc. Only thing not tried yet is reinstall as I have about 8GB of books I'd rather

Re: Problems with Audible update today?

2014-09-17 Thread Alex Hall
I saw a tweet a little while ago that said Audible users should not update the app yet. I'm not a user myself, but it seems like you aren't the only one. On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:15 PM, Garry Turkington gat.acc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Anyone else having issues with the update to Audible that

Re: Problems with Audible update today?

2014-09-17 Thread Jane
I hear you have to uninstall/reinstall to make it work. This means i have to download lots of books. Again. *sigh* Jane On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:15 PM, Garry Turkington gat.acc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Anyone else having issues with the update to Audible that was just released today with

Re: Problems with Audible update today?

2014-09-17 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
When I opened it, it said their was a problem. However, it still opened and showed me my books. I was able to continue reading a book as well. So yes it gives me an error but it still works. On 9/17/14, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote: I hear you have to uninstall/reinstall to make it work.

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread alia robinson
how about they take voiceover out altogether? No, we are never going to decide whether a product is released or not; no company is going to wait for blind people to be happy before releasing their product. We are too small a group. It's just the way it is. even people developing for the blind

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread alia robinson
and I am sure the iphone does for the sighted too. On Sep 17, 2014, at 1:52 PM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: That is not true. Windows and Android have tons of bugs and the sighted world puts up with them. -- The following information is important for all members of

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
The one bug that I can see for certain is that I can't move an app from the line above the dock. This is annoying but not a deal breaker. On 9/17/14, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Hi, Thanks for your observations having already loaded the iOS. But be careful about what you say

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread David Chittenden
Wow, what an interesting comparison. In reality, such devices have been released. The first several devices were not at all accessible to the blind. Therefore, your argument does not hold up to what actually happens. The fact is, we are a very tiny group of people. At work, we have a water

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
Alia well put! On 9/17/14, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, what an interesting comparison. In reality, such devices have been released. The first several devices were not at all accessible to the blind. Therefore, your argument does not hold up to what actually happens. The

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread alia robinson
Yep, that's life, and it's not fair, but it's okay. We just have to deal with it. It took me three months to find an oven I could use. all of them are flat pannels for the controls now; it's just the way things are. we have to deal. Alia On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:34 PM, David Chittenden

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Charles Rivard
How about marking the microwave with Dymo tape labels? At least you can then press the correct numbers from 1 through 0. Mark the start button, too. You'll have greatly decreased unnecessary guesswork. As for the accessibility of I O S 8, just as with the previous major upgrade, I'm

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Cheryl Homiak
Absolutely! We always need to be advocates for others and ourselves, but there are realities that must be kept in mind and we injure our own cause if we lose sight of them. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Charles Rivard
As for companies that manufacture products specifically for the blind, I do expect those to work properly when first used, but an iPhone does not fall into that category, even though it does, thankfully, come with Voice-Over. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think

iPhone html user guide

2014-09-17 Thread Ioana Gandrabur
For anyone interested, here is the html user guide for iPhone and iOS 8. Best, Ioana http://help.apple.com/iphone/8/en.lproj/index.html Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by

Re: Setting Up VoiceOver On New iPhone

2014-09-17 Thread Flor Lynch
Wasn't obvious from the conclusion (ending) of the message. - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 6:39 PM Subject: RE: Setting Up VoiceOver On New iPhone As Alex pointed out, after the initial setup a

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Barry Hadder
Two questions come to mind. 1. Why does Apple have to spend $35 for every iPhone sold for accessibility. 2. Why did Mr. cook feel it necessary to make that an issue at a shareholders meeting. On Sep 17, 2014, at 2:34 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, what an interesting

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Gadget Girl
http://www.applevis.com/blog/advocacy-apple-braille-ios-news/accessibility-bugs-ios-8-serious-minor Regards, Gadget Girl Sent from my Apple gadget. Apple, take a bite, express yourself. On Sep 17, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Dennis Long dennisl1...@gmail.com wrote: can you provide a link to the

RE: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Neal Ewers
Hey Guys. I know what you're saying. I have labels all over my house for things that are not accessible, but I don't make my money washing cloths or cooking in my microwave. I know, that doesn't change the small percent of the population we are. I understand that. I also understand that there has

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Robin
Didn't they (being Apple) receive these Bug Reports from the members of the Blind and/or LowVision Community, who participated as Beta Testers for Apple's iOS8??? Did these people neglect to Report the presence of these Bugs within iOS8? If not, were they submitted in a timely manner to be

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Robin
You can't expect accessibility from either Microsoft and/or Google as it pertains to either Microsoft's Windows and Google's Android based on that comment because they are not geared towards the Blind and/or LowVision Community either. At 12:54 PM 9/17/2014, you wrote: As for companies that

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
NNo matter what they say the bottom line for a company is to make money. Yes it would be nice for Apples product to be perfect and have no bugs, but we have the right to expect the same accessability from all the operating system developers. On 9/17/14, Robin robin-mel...@comcast.net wrote: You

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Cheryl Homiak
Because, as I recall, he was challenged on the practicality and benefit of doing this; I could be wrong! -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears!

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Charles Rivard
One thing's for darned sure; Apple beats Microsoft hands down when it comes to introducing a new operating system as far as accessibility is concerned. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message -

Re: IOS 8 Releasedusing voice messaging

2014-09-17 Thread Amy Beatty Christenson
Does anyone know if there is a bug in the text messages where you can use the voice message button, I push the button I tap it twice and hold and nothing happens, and also if you want to text someone that does not have iOS 8 it looks like the button does not show up, does anyone know if you can

Re: IOS 8 Releasedusing voice messaging

2014-09-17 Thread christopher hallsworth
No. You can only voice message someone who uses iMessage. On 17 Sep 2014, at 21:22, Amy Beatty Christenson abodessa1...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know if there is a bug in the text messages where you can use the voice message button, I push the button I tap it twice and hold and nothing

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Gail the U. S. Male
Neil, boy, do you bring back memories! We must be close to the same age, because I also remember having to deal with readers, multiple reel to reel tape recorders, all that kind of thing.LOL! younger people have no clue how good they have it today, compared to what we had to go through, just

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Robin
Have you experimented with Dictation on Microsoft's Windows? You don't have to say words such as Question Mark, Period, Comma, etc.), it notices the pauses within your speech, and inserts them automatically. Also, you don't have to stop dictation either it gathers that information when you

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread christopher hallsworth
Yes as we are no longer under an NDA now until the next cycle. On 17 Sep 2014, at 17:58, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: Since IOS is released can we get info from beta testers? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members

ios8 and alex

2014-09-17 Thread Jed Barton
Hey guys, Anyone know how to bring up alex under ios8? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Sharonda Greenlaw
I couldn't believe that when I went to download IOS 8, they said that I need at least 4.6GB of storage available before I could do it. That truly surprised me. On 9/17/14, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Yes as we are no longer under an NDA now until the next cycle. On 17

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Mike Arrigo
Think I will wait a few days as well for a few reasons, the download speed will be faster, and, in case there are any major issues. I usually prefer to wait until the first update of a major new version of an operating system before installing it. Original message: At 1.1 GB, it's gunna take

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-17 Thread Terje Strømberg
Agree with the below. Take care 17. sep. 2014 kl. 19:49 skrev Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org: If people who are sighted had this many bugs with the new OS, Apple would not have released it. I am tired of developers thinking that they can release something to the public and then, if they

touch typing with ios8

2014-09-17 Thread Jed Barton
Hey guys, I got ios8 installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any more. Worse yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter. Any idea where it might be hiding? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are

Fleksy and Fleksy VO not working with IOS 8

2014-09-17 Thread Chuck Dean
Hi all, I updated my iPad mini to IOS 8. I can not get either Fleksy app to work. I can type with Fleksy V O but I cab bot activate the menu. With Fleksy, as I type, it just says Fleksy, for each letter. Any one else having problems? I know an integrated Fleksy is supposed to be out, but I did

Re: touch typing with ios8

2014-09-17 Thread Chuck Dean
Once I had a text field open, I was able to turn on touch typing with the rotor. Chuck On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:24:05 PM UTC-7, Jed Barton wrote: Hey guys, I got ios8 installed, however, touch typing doesn't seem to work any more. Worse yet, it doesn't appear to be in my roter.

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