Re: Flashlight Issue Resolved!

[Anthony Vece]

We all need to stick together and, help each other.

God Bless
Anthony


Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:41 AM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anthony, 
> Thank you so much for your understanding, as I greatly appreciate it.  It 
> means a lot to me!  Smile!  
> Janet   
> 
> 
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Anthony Vece
> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 6:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Flashlight Issue Resolved!
> 
> Janet;
> We’ve  all been there and, we’ve all been  through it.
> Please don’t be embarrassed.
> I am in the same situation that you are.
> Take care
> God bless
> Anthony
> 
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
> 
>> On Jun 2, 2019, at 7:27 PM, janet gross  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All, 
>> For those who might have been following one of my threads regarding the 
>> flashlight on my phone, and because Be My Eyes had to turn my flashlight on 
>> my phone through their phone in order to see.  Well, I have to admit I feel 
>> so embarrassed to even admit this,as it was pretty stupid on my part.  So 
>> here goes, once again, I called Apple Accessibility, and I told them every 
>> time I call Be My Eyes, they keep telling me they can't see anything except 
>> complete black, and they would have to turn on my flash through their 
>> iPhone.  So Apple rep checked it, on my phone by seeing if they could see 
>> anything on my kitchen counter.  Well, the Apple rep was telling me the 
>> exact samething that Be My Eyes was telling me, Janet everything is 
>> completely black.  The main problem was one of my kitchen lightbulbs 
>> directly above my kitchen counter, and where I would hold a product so Be My 
>> Eyes could read it to me.  Well, low in behold, one of the lightbulbs blew 
>> out, and I never even thought about that!  De!  I felt so stupid, but 
>> luckily enough, the Apple rep has a father who is blind, and he said he goes 
>> through this quite often with his father!  I don't know who laughed more me 
>> or the Apple rep!  Wow, did I kick myself for that one!  Smile!  I guess 
>> that is what I get for being blind!  Although, I kept turning the light 
>> switch on, but I just never thought to feel the lightbulb, until the Apple 
>> rep said hey Janet how about feeling the lightbulb, and I said oh yeah, I 
>> never thought of that.  I then had to get a chair and an extra lightbulb, 
>> and insert it, and the Apple rep said, hey Janet I can see your whole 
>> kitchen!  Smile!  For those who might not know I am totally blind, and I 
>> live alone.  I couldn't imagine when my sighted family or friends would come 
>> around, that they didn't even say anything about that.  I have this one 
>> friend who comes over often when she is on break from work, and she is 
>> always turning on the other two lights, and raising the window shades, and I 
>> just would think wow, some sighted people really need a lot of light, but I 
>> didn't need that much light to see when I was sighted!  Well, I'm happy that 
>> problem is solved!  LOL!  The Apple rep told me not to feel bad about it, 
>> because he also learned something, he didn't know someone else using an 
>> iPhone could turn on my flash through another phone.  
>> So I want to thank all those who tried to help.  
>> Janet 
>> Peace Be With You. 
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RE: Flashlight Issue Resolved!

[janet gross]

Hi, 
Well, thank you so much.  To be honest I am so fed up with Seeing AI, as I 
tried working with it for several months, and still it is a no go situation, so 
I will delete it from my phone, and purchase the Voice stream Scanner, and 
probably the Voice Dream Reader as well.  
Thank you again!  
Janet 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gordon
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 6:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Flashlight Issue Resolved!

Try using the light detector on the seeing AI app. It works great in 
situations where you need to check lights.

On 6/2/2019 6:27 PM, janet gross wrote:
> Hi All,
> For those who might have been following one of my threads regarding the 
> flashlight on my phone, and because Be My Eyes had to turn my flashlight on 
> my phone through their phone in order to see.  Well, I have to admit I feel 
> so embarrassed to even admit this,as it was pretty stupid on my part.  So 
> here goes, once again, I called Apple Accessibility, and I told them every 
> time I call Be My Eyes, they keep telling me they can't see anything except 
> complete black, and they would have to turn on my flash through their iPhone. 
>  So Apple rep checked it, on my phone by seeing if they could see anything on 
> my kitchen counter.  Well, the Apple rep was telling me the exact samething 
> that Be My Eyes was telling me, Janet everything is completely black.  The 
> main problem was one of my kitchen lightbulbs directly above my kitchen 
> counter, and where I would hold a product so Be My Eyes could read it to me.  
> Well, low in behold, one of the lightbulbs blew out, and I never even thought 
> about that!  De!  I felt so stupid, but luckily enough, the Apple rep has a 
> father who is blind, and he said he goes through this quite often with his 
> father!  I don't know who laughed more me or the Apple rep!  Wow, did I kick 
> myself for that one!  Smile!  I guess that is what I get for being blind!  
> Although, I kept turning the light switch on, but I just never thought to 
> feel the lightbulb, until the Apple rep said hey Janet how about feeling the 
> lightbulb, and I said oh yeah, I never thought of that.  I then had to get a 
> chair and an extra lightbulb, and insert it, and the Apple rep said, hey 
> Janet I can see your whole kitchen!  Smile!  For those who might not know I 
> am totally blind, and I live alone.  I couldn't imagine when my sighted 
> family or friends would come around, that they didn't even say anything about 
> that.  I have this one friend who comes over often when she is on break from 
> work, and she is always turning on the other two lights, and raising the 
> window shades, and I just would think wow, some sighted people really need a 
> lot of light, but I didn't need that much light to see when I was sighted!  
> Well, I'm happy that problem is solved!  LOL!  The Apple rep told me not to 
> feel bad about it, because he also learned something, he didn't know someone 
> else using an iPhone could turn on my flash through another phone.
> So I want to thank all those who tried to help.
> Janet
> Peace Be With You.
>

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RE: Flashlight Issue Resolved!

[janet gross]

Hi Anthony, 
Thank you so much for your understanding, as I greatly appreciate it.  It means 
a lot to me!  Smile!  
Janet   


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Vece
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 6:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Flashlight Issue Resolved!

Janet;
We’ve  all been there and, we’ve all been  through it.
Please don’t be embarrassed.
I am in the same situation that you are.
Take care
God bless
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On Jun 2, 2019, at 7:27 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Hi All, 
> For those who might have been following one of my threads regarding the 
> flashlight on my phone, and because Be My Eyes had to turn my flashlight on 
> my phone through their phone in order to see.  Well, I have to admit I feel 
> so embarrassed to even admit this,as it was pretty stupid on my part.  So 
> here goes, once again, I called Apple Accessibility, and I told them every 
> time I call Be My Eyes, they keep telling me they can't see anything except 
> complete black, and they would have to turn on my flash through their iPhone. 
>  So Apple rep checked it, on my phone by seeing if they could see anything on 
> my kitchen counter.  Well, the Apple rep was telling me the exact samething 
> that Be My Eyes was telling me, Janet everything is completely black.  The 
> main problem was one of my kitchen lightbulbs directly above my kitchen 
> counter, and where I would hold a product so Be My Eyes could read it to me.  
> Well, low in behold, one of the lightbulbs blew out, and I never even thought 
> about that!  De!  I felt so stupid, but luckily enough, the Apple rep has a 
> father who is blind, and he said he goes through this quite often with his 
> father!  I don't know who laughed more me or the Apple rep!  Wow, did I kick 
> myself for that one!  Smile!  I guess that is what I get for being blind!  
> Although, I kept turning the light switch on, but I just never thought to 
> feel the lightbulb, until the Apple rep said hey Janet how about feeling the 
> lightbulb, and I said oh yeah, I never thought of that.  I then had to get a 
> chair and an extra lightbulb, and insert it, and the Apple rep said, hey 
> Janet I can see your whole kitchen!  Smile!  For those who might not know I 
> am totally blind, and I live alone.  I couldn't imagine when my sighted 
> family or friends would come around, that they didn't even say anything about 
> that.  I have this one friend who comes over often when she is on break from 
> work, and she is always turning on the other two lights, and raising the 
> window shades, and I just would think wow, some sighted people really need a 
> lot of light, but I didn't need that much light to see when I was sighted!  
> Well, I'm happy that problem is solved!  LOL!  The Apple rep told me not to 
> feel bad about it, because he also learned something, he didn't know someone 
> else using an iPhone could turn on my flash through another phone.  
> So I want to thank all those who tried to help.  
> Janet 
> Peace Be With You. 
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RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[janet gross]

Andy,
Ok, got it!
Thank you.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 6:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Both!

Andy

- Original Message -
From: janet gross
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Andy,
Ok, which one is voice dream? The scanner or the reader?
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 5:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

It’s “voice dream”


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 5:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

They are both wonderful products.  You won't regret buying them.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: janet gross
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 2:59 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Andy,
Oh ok!  I now get it! Smile!  Thank you for sharing that, as I am seriously 
considering purchasing the Voice Stream Scanner, and who knows, I just might 
purchase the Voice stream Reader as well!  LOL!
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Janet. I have used seeing ai, tap tap see and voice dream scanner. I’m not 
sure seeing ai is deteriorating as much as maybe my ability to hold a camera, 
smile. I just find that voice dream is doing a better job at the moment. With 
my possible deteriorating abilities, I am using our reading machine more now.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

HI Andy,
May I please ask you, have you ever used the Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFV apps? 
Have you used the Voice Stream Scanner?
I ask this because of the message you sent. If there is a point to your 
message, it must have went right over my head because I didn’t get it!  LOL!

Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

You get what you pay for!

Andy

- Original Message -
From: janet gross
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

HI Mary,
Thank you for this as I am seriously considering purchasing the Voice Stream 
Scanner.  As far as those other apps Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFB, they are all  
deteriating!  LOL!
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Janet,
I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Larry and all.
Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, and that 
doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap See app, 
and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice dream 
scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice dream 
scanner.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a wonderful 
option. I have found it extremely useful.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf 

RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[janet gross]

Richard,
Ok, so now, I need the Voice Dream reader, as well as the scanner, if I want to 
read PDF files.  It really doesn’t matter to me if I need both, just as long as 
these products will help me.  Well, my personal opinion regarding KNFB reader 
it is a lost cause!  I’m tired of working with these so called wonderful apps 
that don’t even work.
Thank you for your help.

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 7:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.


Janet,
if the attachment is an image PDF, you would have to have VOICE Dream Reader 
and Voice Dream Scanner.
The Voice Dream Scanner app cannot access the attachments.
Or, if you still have KNFB Reader, you could try it with an attachment.
Though, I am doubtful it works very well now.
HTH,
Richard

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in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59



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any." -- Alice Walker



On Jun 2, 2019, at 4:36 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Richard,
So am I right in thinking if I received an email or text message with an 
attachment, I can use the scanner or the reader?

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Janet,
Glad to hear the phone checks out.

Voice Dream Scanner can be used completely on its own.

Aside from loving the Voice Dream Reader app and how it handles so many 
document types, especially books from Bookshare, when you have both apps, you 
can scan image based PDF files from within Voice Dream Reader using Scanner.
but like I say, if you don't need or want Voice Dream Reader, Voice Dream 
Scanner works fine by itself; you just won't be able to use it for PDF files.

Richard

Check out my web site at: 
www.turner42.com
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flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59



The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker



On Jun 2, 2019, at 1:51 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Richard,
Yes, I am definitely considering purchasing the Voice Stream Scanner.  Can 
Voice Stream scanner be purchased from the app store? I called Apple 
accessibility, and they remotely ran a diagnostic test, and I am happy to say 
all is well!  So I can now purchase the Voice Stream Scanner!  Smile!  I don’t 
have the voice Stream Reader though, will that make a difference?
Thank you again!
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Janet,
Before you do anything, you need to sort out if your phone is having a problem, 
which I suspect now that it is.
If TapTapSee isn’t working for you, then something has gone bad with your 
camera.

KNFB Reader is a joke these days, but TapTapSee should work fine, as well as 
should Seeing AI in at least the short text channel.

So before spending the $5.99 for Voice Dream Scanner, get your phone checked 
out.
Apple should be able to do that remotely if you don’
T have an Apple store handy.

You will need the serial number from the Settings, General, About screen so 
they can run the diagnostics, or rather have you run them and they can see the 
results.

But, I can assure you that if your camera is functioning correctly, you will 
not be sorry to spend the $5.99 for Voice Dream Scanner, especially if you 
already have Voice Dream Reader.
But even without the reader, it is simply the best OCR application on the 
iPhone.
It does not do bar codes, or any scene descriptions, but it will do the 

RE: Flashlight Issue Resolved!

[janet gross]

Arlene, 
I think I just learned my lesson!  Smile! 

Janet 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Arlene
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 7:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Flashlight Issue Resolved!

Don't forget about the light probe in seeing ai and other light probe apps. 
That's great you got that solved. I't's some of the things we just don't 
think about right way.

Arlene
- Original Message - 
From: "janet gross" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 6:27 PM
Subject: Flashlight Issue Resolved!


Hi All,
For those who might have been following one of my threads regarding the 
flashlight on my phone, and because Be My Eyes had to turn my flashlight on 
my phone through their phone in order to see.  Well, I have to admit I feel 
so embarrassed to even admit this,as it was pretty stupid on my part.  So 
here goes, once again, I called Apple Accessibility, and I told them every 
time I call Be My Eyes, they keep telling me they can't see anything except 
complete black, and they would have to turn on my flash through their 
iPhone.  So Apple rep checked it, on my phone by seeing if they could see 
anything on my kitchen counter.  Well, the Apple rep was telling me the 
exact samething that Be My Eyes was telling me, Janet everything is 
completely black.  The main problem was one of my kitchen lightbulbs 
directly above my kitchen counter, and where I would hold a product so Be My 
Eyes could read it to me.  Well, low in behold, one of the lightbulbs blew 
out, and I never even thought about that!  De!  I felt so stupid, but 
luckily enough, the Apple rep has a father who is blind, and he said he goes 
through this quite often with his father!  I don't know who laughed more me 
or the Apple rep!  Wow, did I kick myself for that one!  Smile!  I guess 
that is what I get for being blind!  Although, I kept turning the light 
switch on, but I just never thought to feel the lightbulb, until the Apple 
rep said hey Janet how about feeling the lightbulb, and I said oh yeah, I 
never thought of that.  I then had to get a chair and an extra lightbulb, 
and insert it, and the Apple rep said, hey Janet I can see your whole 
kitchen!  Smile!  For those who might not know I am totally blind, and I 
live alone.  I couldn't imagine when my sighted family or friends would come 
around, that they didn't even say anything about that.  I have this one 
friend who comes over often when she is on break from work, and she is 
always turning on the other two lights, and raising the window shades, and I 
just would think wow, some sighted people really need a lot of light, but I 
didn't need that much light to see when I was sighted!  Well, I'm happy that 
problem is solved!  LOL!  The Apple rep told me not to feel bad about it, 
because he also learned something, he didn't know someone else using an 
iPhone could turn on my flash through another phone.
So I want to thank all those who tried to help.
Janet
Peace Be With You.

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RE: Flashlight Issue Resolved!

[janet gross]

Hi Carolyn, 
I have to admit once again, I never think of the lights.  It doesn't really 
matter to me if they are working or not.  Although, now I will be using some 
apps in which they might require lights, I will have to get use to checking the 
lightbulbs, and probably stock up on lightbulbs now!  Now, if I can remember 
the lights!  Smile!  
Janet 

Janet Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 7:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Flashlight Issue Resolved!

When I lived alone, I'd use my color identifier to check lights, especially, 
when I still had my home, and in two rooms, there were two switches. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Vece
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 7:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Flashlight Issue Resolved!

Janet;
We’ve  all been there and, we’ve all been  through it.
Please don’t be embarrassed.
I am in the same situation that you are.
Take care
God bless
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On Jun 2, 2019, at 7:27 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Hi All, 
> For those who might have been following one of my threads regarding the 
> flashlight on my phone, and because Be My Eyes had to turn my flashlight on 
> my phone through their phone in order to see.  Well, I have to admit I feel 
> so embarrassed to even admit this,as it was pretty stupid on my part.  So 
> here goes, once again, I called Apple Accessibility, and I told them every 
> time I call Be My Eyes, they keep telling me they can't see anything except 
> complete black, and they would have to turn on my flash through their iPhone. 
>  So Apple rep checked it, on my phone by seeing if they could see anything on 
> my kitchen counter.  Well, the Apple rep was telling me the exact samething 
> that Be My Eyes was telling me, Janet everything is completely black.  The 
> main problem was one of my kitchen lightbulbs directly above my kitchen 
> counter, and where I would hold a product so Be My Eyes could read it to me.  
> Well, low in behold, one of the lightbulbs blew out, and I never even thought 
> about that!  De!  I felt so stupid, but luckily enough, the Apple rep has a 
> father who is blind, and he said he goes through this quite often with his 
> father!  I don't know who laughed more me or the Apple rep!  Wow, did I kick 
> myself for that one!  Smile!  I guess that is what I get for being blind!  
> Although, I kept turning the light switch on, but I just never thought to 
> feel the lightbulb, until the Apple rep said hey Janet how about feeling the 
> lightbulb, and I said oh yeah, I never thought of that.  I then had to get a 
> chair and an extra lightbulb, and insert it, and the Apple rep said, hey 
> Janet I can see your whole kitchen!  Smile!  For those who might not know I 
> am totally blind, and I live alone.  I couldn't imagine when my sighted 
> family or friends would come around, that they didn't even say anything about 
> that.  I have this one friend who comes over often when she is on break from 
> work, and she is always turning on the other two lights, and raising the 
> window shades, and I just would think wow, some sighted people really need a 
> lot of light, but I didn't need that much light to see when I was sighted!  
> Well, I'm happy that problem is solved!  LOL!  The Apple rep told me not to 
> feel bad about it, because he also learned something, he didn't know someone 
> else using an iPhone could turn on my flash through another phone.  
> So I want to thank all those who tried to help.  
> Janet 
> Peace Be With You. 
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RE: Seeing AI issues

[janet gross]

HI Arlene!
I can’t get the Seeing AI bar code, product, document to work at all.  It has 
become impossible to even work with it.  I am seriously considering purchasing 
the Voice Stream Scanner though.  I need something more reliable than the 
Seeing AI or the TapTap See.  If you can get the bar code to work, you’re lucky.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Arlene
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 7:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI issues

Janet, the seeing ai can read bar codes which we've done. It's a slow process, 
especially compared to the summit scanner.

Arlene
- Original Message -
From: janet gross
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 6:39 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues

Hi Richard,
I often wonder why some people use the Seeing AI app successfully, and others 
can’t.
That is a mystery!  I have talked to people using the Seeing AI app with no 
problem, and I just can’t imagine how that can be, but I know it is a fact 
though.
Janet
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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 3:41 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Seeing AI issues

Hello,
Seeing AI was updated 2 months ago.
For those having issues on a new phone when it worked fine on the previous 
phone, it is highly unlikely it is the app.
The only way to sort out what the issue is will involve working with Apple 
Accessibility.
I have an iPhone SE, and all channels work fine.
I have clients with iPhone 8 pluses, XR's and XS phones that are using it 
successfully.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Richard

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RE: Flashlight Issue Resolved!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That was exactly what I was going to suggest, there really is no need to feel 
if a light bulb is warm when all you have to do is open Seeing AI and flick to 
the light detector channel.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 4:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Flashlight Issue Resolved!

Try using the light detector on the seeing AI app. It works great in situations 
where you need to check lights.

On 6/2/2019 6:27 PM, janet gross wrote:
> Hi All,
> For those who might have been following one of my threads regarding the 
> flashlight on my phone, and because Be My Eyes had to turn my flashlight on 
> my phone through their phone in order to see.  Well, I have to admit I feel 
> so embarrassed to even admit this,as it was pretty stupid on my part.  So 
> here goes, once again, I called Apple Accessibility, and I told them every 
> time I call Be My Eyes, they keep telling me they can't see anything except 
> complete black, and they would have to turn on my flash through their iPhone. 
>  So Apple rep checked it, on my phone by seeing if they could see anything on 
> my kitchen counter.  Well, the Apple rep was telling me the exact samething 
> that Be My Eyes was telling me, Janet everything is completely black.  The 
> main problem was one of my kitchen lightbulbs directly above my kitchen 
> counter, and where I would hold a product so Be My Eyes could read it to me.  
> Well, low in behold, one of the lightbulbs blew out, and I never even thought 
> about that!  De!  I felt so stupid, but luckily enough, the Apple rep has a 
> father who is blind, and he said he goes through this quite often with his 
> father!  I don't know who laughed more me or the Apple rep!  Wow, did I kick 
> myself for that one!  Smile!  I guess that is what I get for being blind!  
> Although, I kept turning the light switch on, but I just never thought to 
> feel the lightbulb, until the Apple rep said hey Janet how about feeling the 
> lightbulb, and I said oh yeah, I never thought of that.  I then had to get a 
> chair and an extra lightbulb, and insert it, and the Apple rep said, hey 
> Janet I can see your whole kitchen!  Smile!  For those who might not know I 
> am totally blind, and I live alone.  I couldn't imagine when my sighted 
> family or friends would come around, that they didn't even say anything about 
> that.  I have this one friend who comes over often when she is on break from 
> work, and she is always turning on the other two lights, and raising the 
> window shades, and I just would think wow, some sighted people really need a 
> lot of light, but I didn't need that much light to see when I was sighted!  
> Well, I'm happy that problem is solved!  LOL!  The Apple rep told me not to 
> feel bad about it, because he also learned something, he didn't know someone 
> else using an iPhone could turn on my flash through another phone.
> So I want to thank all those who tried to help.
> Janet
> Peace Be With You.
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RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Well, the Seeing AI app as we all know is free seems to work just fine for a 
lot of people. Why it doesn’t work for some I don’t know, but while I also 
don’t use the KNFB Reader app any more, I do use the Seeing AI app as well as 
Tap Tap See. I have not found either of these apps to have gone downhill and it 
sounds like Tap Tap See may soon get a big update which will make it even 
better.
I also bought Voice Dream Scanner and I do agree that it is an amazing app. If 
Andy’s logic applied then KNFB Reader which is super expensive compared to 
Voice Dream Scanner should win hands down, but that is definitely not the case. 
I also say that you get what you pay for in some situations, but it is not 
always the case and sometimes you pay more for something and you get less.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 2:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

What can you expect from something that is free?
That's just not the way the world works.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: janet gross
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 2:41 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

HI Andy,
May I please ask you, have you ever used the Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFV apps? 
Have you used the Voice Stream Scanner?
I ask this because of the message you sent. If there is a point to your 
message, it must have went right over my head because I didn’t get it!  LOL!

Janet
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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

You get what you pay for!

Andy

- Original Message -
From: janet gross
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

HI Mary,
Thank you for this as I am seriously considering purchasing the Voice Stream 
Scanner.  As far as those other apps Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFB, they are all  
deteriating!  LOL!
Janet

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Janet,
I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Larry and all.
Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, and that 
doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap See app, 
and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice dream 
scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice dream 
scanner.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a wonderful 
option. I have found it extremely useful.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

The product option never works for me either.
Sent from Kimber's iPhone

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on.—Annie Proulx

On May 30, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Lelia 
mailto:leliastr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi, Janet, its not your phone, it's the app.  I've had nothing but problems
with the bar code part of the app for quite a while now.  All of the other
parts of the app work except for the bar code part.  So its not only you.

Lelia

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet
gross
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 5:30 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi All,
I used to be able to use the Seeing AI app until I got my new XR phone, but
now, for some unknown reason the app doesn't work 99.9 percent of the time.
When I open the app and hold it over a can 

RE: Seeing AI issues

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I don’t often use the barcode channel, but all others and especially short text 
work great.
I often use the short text channel on my computer screen if for some reason 
Jaws quits or if there is an update in progress where Jaws doesn’t yet speak, I 
have used it on my washing machine’s LCD screen and I use it all the time if I 
quickly want to read a document but don’t have the need to save the result.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 4:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues

Hi Richard,
I often wonder why some people use the Seeing AI app successfully, and others 
can’t.
That is a mystery!  I have talked to people using the Seeing AI app with no 
problem, and I just can’t imagine how that can be, but I know it is a fact 
though.
Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 3:41 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Seeing AI issues

Hello,
Seeing AI was updated 2 months ago.
For those having issues on a new phone when it worked fine on the previous 
phone, it is highly unlikely it is the app.
The only way to sort out what the issue is will involve working with Apple 
Accessibility.
I have an iPhone SE, and all channels work fine.
I have clients with iPhone 8 pluses, XR's and XS phones that are using it 
successfully.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Richard

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Re: Question re Assistive touch menu

[regina alvarado]

Hi, I have a friend who uses assistive touch because she is struggling with the 
swipe up to go home or to close an app. She also got her screen curtain on and 
couldn't get it off. I called to see if there was a gesture I could put in 
assistive touch so she could just tap on it to raise the curtain. She just 
couldn't do the 3 finger triple tap, though this morning she did it finally 
because she left it alone and she was relaxed this morning. Sometimes just 
better to put things down when frustration is high and try later.

Anyway, the Apple accessibility guy told me it was better if she tried to learn 
VO gestures as assistive touch is not made to work with VO. She couldn't put in 
a gesture because the sighted person taps on a little circle to make the custom 
gesture work. He said the menu goes all over the screen and sighted folks using 
it just drag it out of the way of what they are doing. There is no gesture 
connecting it with VO. I would say if there are a lot of blind people wanting 
to use this feature to its fullest that they write to Accessibility so Apple 
can make VO work with it properly. Though I have not seen her have problems 
going home with the assistive touch, he also told me that often the gestures we 
use with VO will not work quite correctly causing unnecessary re-doing to get 
where you want to be. Yes, our gestures are, or can be, difficult, (took me 
almost 2 months to do that blippy thing from the bottom of the screen, but 
persistence and practice pay dividends. For me now face ID and the blippy thing 
work most of the time. When they don't, one more try seems to do it. Have no 
idea why Apple didn't think blind people could have problems with their hands, 
but this is what I was told. 

Reggie Alvarado 

On Jun 2, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Marie N.  wrote:

This can be a handy feature but how in the world do you get it to stay where 
you put it? It seems to jump up all over the place when you least expect or 
need it to do so. And when it grabs focus it is not always easy to move away. 
Should this be reported to Apple as a bug?
 
I'VE DECIDED I'M NOT OLD; I'M 25 PLUS SHIPPING AND HANDLING.
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RE: Flashlight Issue Resolved!

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

Hi Janet.  My husband and I are both totally blind.  I turn on the lights
for my guide dog, but there was one I kept turning on and didn't realize it
was burnt out.  It was in my computer room where I didn't often have sighted
visitors.  I wonder how long I turned on the nonworking light thinking I was
being such a good, attentive guide dog owner.  Keep smilin'.
God bless!
Paula and Garçon

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of janet gross
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 7:27 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
Subject: Flashlight Issue Resolved!

Hi All, 
For those who might have been following one of my threads regarding the
flashlight on my phone, and because Be My Eyes had to turn my flashlight on
my phone through their phone in order to see.  Well, I have to admit I feel
so embarrassed to even admit this,as it was pretty stupid on my part.  So
here goes, once again, I called Apple Accessibility, and I told them every
time I call Be My Eyes, they keep telling me they can't see anything except
complete black, and they would have to turn on my flash through their
iPhone.  So Apple rep checked it, on my phone by seeing if they could see
anything on my kitchen counter.  Well, the Apple rep was telling me the
exact samething that Be My Eyes was telling me, Janet everything is
completely black.  The main problem was one of my kitchen lightbulbs
directly above my kitchen counter, and where I would hold a product so Be My
Eyes could read it to me.  Well, low in behold, one of the lightbulbs blew
out, and I never even thought about that!  De!  I felt so stupid, but
luckily enough, the Apple rep has a father who is blind, and he said he goes
through this quite often with his father!  I don't know who laughed more me
or the Apple rep!  Wow, did I kick myself for that one!  Smile!  I guess
that is what I get for being blind!  Although, I kept turning the light
switch on, but I just never thought to feel the lightbulb, until the Apple
rep said hey Janet how about feeling the lightbulb, and I said oh yeah, I
never thought of that.  I then had to get a chair and an extra lightbulb,
and insert it, and the Apple rep said, hey Janet I can see your whole
kitchen!  Smile!  For those who might not know I am totally blind, and I
live alone.  I couldn't imagine when my sighted family or friends would come
around, that they didn't even say anything about that.  I have this one
friend who comes over often when she is on break from work, and she is
always turning on the other two lights, and raising the window shades, and I
just would think wow, some sighted people really need a lot of light, but I
didn't need that much light to see when I was sighted!  Well, I'm happy that
problem is solved!  LOL!  The Apple rep told me not to feel bad about it,
because he also learned something, he didn't know someone else using an
iPhone could turn on my flash through another phone.  
So I want to thank all those who tried to help.  
Janet 
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Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[Evan Reese]

Okay, to be just a little more clear, there are two programs, one is called 
Voice Dream Reader, and the other is called Voice Dream Scanner.
Evan

From: Andy Baracco 
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 7:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Both!

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: janet gross 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:32 PM
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

  Andy, 

  Ok, which one is voice dream? The scanner or the reader? 

  Janet 

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 5:12 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  It’s “voice dream”

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
  Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 5:09 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  They are both wonderful products.  You won't regret buying them.

   

  Andy

   

- Original Message - 

From: janet gross 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 2:59 PM

Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

Hi Andy, 

Oh ok!  I now get it! Smile!  Thank you for sharing that, as I am seriously 
considering purchasing the Voice Stream Scanner, and who knows, I just might 
purchase the Voice stream Reader as well!  LOL!  

Janet 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

Hi Janet. I have used seeing ai, tap tap see and voice dream scanner. I’m 
not sure seeing ai is deteriorating as much as maybe my ability to hold a 
camera, smile. I just find that voice dream is doing a better job at the 
moment. With my possible deteriorating abilities, I am using our reading 
machine more now.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

HI Andy, 

May I please ask you, have you ever used the Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFV 
apps? Have you used the Voice Stream Scanner? 

I ask this because of the message you sent. If there is a point to your 
message, it must have went right over my head because I didn’t get it!  LOL!  

 

Janet 

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Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

You get what you pay for!

 

Andy

 

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  From: janet gross 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 1:44 PM

  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  HI Mary, 

  Thank you for this as I am seriously considering purchasing the Voice 
Stream Scanner.  As far as those other apps Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFB, they 
are all  deteriating!  LOL!   

  Janet 

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
  Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:15 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  Hi Janet,
  I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
  Mary

   

  Sent from my iPhone


  On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross  
wrote:

Hi Larry and all. 

Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, 
and that doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap 
See app, and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice 
dream scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice 
dream scanner.  

Janet  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a 
wonderful option. I have found it extremely useful.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

The product option 

Re: test

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Re: test

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You apparently passed the test.
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Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[Richard Turner]

Janet,
if the attachment is an image PDF, you would have to have VOICE Dream Reader 
and Voice Dream Scanner.
The Voice Dream Scanner app cannot access the attachments.
Or, if you still have KNFB Reader, you could try it with an attachment.
Though, I am doubtful it works very well now.
HTH,
Richard


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On Jun 2, 2019, at 4:36 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Richard,
So am I right in thinking if I received an email or text message with an 
attachment, I can use the scanner or the reader?

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Janet,
Glad to hear the phone checks out.

Voice Dream Scanner can be used completely on its own.

Aside from loving the Voice Dream Reader app and how it handles so many 
document types, especially books from Bookshare, when you have both apps, you 
can scan image based PDF files from within Voice Dream Reader using Scanner.
but like I say, if you don't need or want Voice Dream Reader, Voice Dream 
Scanner works fine by itself; you just won't be able to use it for PDF files.

Richard

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any." -- Alice Walker



On Jun 2, 2019, at 1:51 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Richard,
Yes, I am definitely considering purchasing the Voice Stream Scanner.  Can 
Voice Stream scanner be purchased from the app store? I called Apple 
accessibility, and they remotely ran a diagnostic test, and I am happy to say 
all is well!  So I can now purchase the Voice Stream Scanner!  Smile!  I don’t 
have the voice Stream Reader though, will that make a difference?
Thank you again!
Janet


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Janet,
Before you do anything, you need to sort out if your phone is having a problem, 
which I suspect now that it is.
If TapTapSee isn’t working for you, then something has gone bad with your 
camera.

KNFB Reader is a joke these days, but TapTapSee should work fine, as well as 
should Seeing AI in at least the short text channel.

So before spending the $5.99 for Voice Dream Scanner, get your phone checked 
out.
Apple should be able to do that remotely if you don’
T have an Apple store handy.

You will need the serial number from the Settings, General, About screen so 
they can run the diagnostics, or rather have you run them and they can see the 
results.

But, I can assure you that if your camera is functioning correctly, you will 
not be sorry to spend the $5.99 for Voice Dream Scanner, especially if you 
already have Voice Dream Reader.
But even without the reader, it is simply the best OCR application on the 
iPhone.
It does not do bar codes, or any scene descriptions, but it will do the best 
job scanning print.

It does not do columns yet, but for text on cans, prescription bottles, sheets 
of paper, there is nothing like it.

Richard


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RE: Flashlight Issue Resolved!

[Carolyn Arnold]

When I lived alone, I'd use my color identifier to check lights, especially, 
when I still had my home, and in two rooms, there were two switches. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Vece
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 7:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Flashlight Issue Resolved!

Janet;
We’ve  all been there and, we’ve all been  through it.
Please don’t be embarrassed.
I am in the same situation that you are.
Take care
God bless
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On Jun 2, 2019, at 7:27 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Hi All, 
> For those who might have been following one of my threads regarding the 
> flashlight on my phone, and because Be My Eyes had to turn my flashlight on 
> my phone through their phone in order to see.  Well, I have to admit I feel 
> so embarrassed to even admit this,as it was pretty stupid on my part.  So 
> here goes, once again, I called Apple Accessibility, and I told them every 
> time I call Be My Eyes, they keep telling me they can't see anything except 
> complete black, and they would have to turn on my flash through their iPhone. 
>  So Apple rep checked it, on my phone by seeing if they could see anything on 
> my kitchen counter.  Well, the Apple rep was telling me the exact samething 
> that Be My Eyes was telling me, Janet everything is completely black.  The 
> main problem was one of my kitchen lightbulbs directly above my kitchen 
> counter, and where I would hold a product so Be My Eyes could read it to me.  
> Well, low in behold, one of the lightbulbs blew out, and I never even thought 
> about that!  De!  I felt so stupid, but luckily enough, the Apple rep has a 
> father who is blind, and he said he goes through this quite often with his 
> father!  I don't know who laughed more me or the Apple rep!  Wow, did I kick 
> myself for that one!  Smile!  I guess that is what I get for being blind!  
> Although, I kept turning the light switch on, but I just never thought to 
> feel the lightbulb, until the Apple rep said hey Janet how about feeling the 
> lightbulb, and I said oh yeah, I never thought of that.  I then had to get a 
> chair and an extra lightbulb, and insert it, and the Apple rep said, hey 
> Janet I can see your whole kitchen!  Smile!  For those who might not know I 
> am totally blind, and I live alone.  I couldn't imagine when my sighted 
> family or friends would come around, that they didn't even say anything about 
> that.  I have this one friend who comes over often when she is on break from 
> work, and she is always turning on the other two lights, and raising the 
> window shades, and I just would think wow, some sighted people really need a 
> lot of light, but I didn't need that much light to see when I was sighted!  
> Well, I'm happy that problem is solved!  LOL!  The Apple rep told me not to 
> feel bad about it, because he also learned something, he didn't know someone 
> else using an iPhone could turn on my flash through another phone.  
> So I want to thank all those who tried to help.  
> Janet 
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Re: Seeing AI issues

[Arlene]

Janet, the seeing ai can read bar codes which we've done. It's a slow process, 
especially compared to the summit scanner.

Arlene
  - Original Message - 
  From: janet gross 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 6:39 PM
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI issues


  Hi Richard, 

  I often wonder why some people use the Seeing AI app successfully, and others 
can’t. 

  That is a mystery!  I have talked to people using the Seeing AI app with no 
problem, and I just can’t imagine how that can be, but I know it is a fact 
though.  

  Janet 

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 3:41 PM
  To: ViPone list
  Subject: Seeing AI issues

   

  Hello, 

  Seeing AI was updated 2 months ago.

  For those having issues on a new phone when it worked fine on the previous 
phone, it is highly unlikely it is the app.

  The only way to sort out what the issue is will involve working with Apple 
Accessibility.

  I have an iPhone SE, and all channels work fine.

  I have clients with iPhone 8 pluses, XR's and XS phones that are using it 
successfully.

   

  Just my 2 cents worth.

   

  Richard

   

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Re: Flashlight Issue Resolved!

[Arlene]

Don't forget about the light probe in seeing ai and other light probe apps. 
That's great you got that solved. I't's some of the things we just don't 
think about right way.


Arlene
- Original Message - 
From: "janet gross" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 6:27 PM
Subject: Flashlight Issue Resolved!


Hi All,
For those who might have been following one of my threads regarding the 
flashlight on my phone, and because Be My Eyes had to turn my flashlight on 
my phone through their phone in order to see.  Well, I have to admit I feel 
so embarrassed to even admit this,as it was pretty stupid on my part.  So 
here goes, once again, I called Apple Accessibility, and I told them every 
time I call Be My Eyes, they keep telling me they can't see anything except 
complete black, and they would have to turn on my flash through their 
iPhone.  So Apple rep checked it, on my phone by seeing if they could see 
anything on my kitchen counter.  Well, the Apple rep was telling me the 
exact samething that Be My Eyes was telling me, Janet everything is 
completely black.  The main problem was one of my kitchen lightbulbs 
directly above my kitchen counter, and where I would hold a product so Be My 
Eyes could read it to me.  Well, low in behold, one of the lightbulbs blew 
out, and I never even thought about that!  De!  I felt so stupid, but 
luckily enough, the Apple rep has a father who is blind, and he said he goes 
through this quite often with his father!  I don't know who laughed more me 
or the Apple rep!  Wow, did I kick myself for that one!  Smile!  I guess 
that is what I get for being blind!  Although, I kept turning the light 
switch on, but I just never thought to feel the lightbulb, until the Apple 
rep said hey Janet how about feeling the lightbulb, and I said oh yeah, I 
never thought of that.  I then had to get a chair and an extra lightbulb, 
and insert it, and the Apple rep said, hey Janet I can see your whole 
kitchen!  Smile!  For those who might not know I am totally blind, and I 
live alone.  I couldn't imagine when my sighted family or friends would come 
around, that they didn't even say anything about that.  I have this one 
friend who comes over often when she is on break from work, and she is 
always turning on the other two lights, and raising the window shades, and I 
just would think wow, some sighted people really need a lot of light, but I 
didn't need that much light to see when I was sighted!  Well, I'm happy that 
problem is solved!  LOL!  The Apple rep told me not to feel bad about it, 
because he also learned something, he didn't know someone else using an 
iPhone could turn on my flash through another phone.

So I want to thank all those who tried to help.
Janet
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Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[Andy Baracco]

Both!

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: janet gross 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:32 PM
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.


  Andy, 

  Ok, which one is voice dream? The scanner or the reader? 

  Janet 

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 5:12 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  It’s “voice dream”

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
  Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 5:09 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  They are both wonderful products.  You won't regret buying them.

   

  Andy

   

- Original Message - 

From: janet gross 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 2:59 PM

Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

Hi Andy, 

Oh ok!  I now get it! Smile!  Thank you for sharing that, as I am seriously 
considering purchasing the Voice Stream Scanner, and who knows, I just might 
purchase the Voice stream Reader as well!  LOL!  

Janet 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

Hi Janet. I have used seeing ai, tap tap see and voice dream scanner. I’m 
not sure seeing ai is deteriorating as much as maybe my ability to hold a 
camera, smile. I just find that voice dream is doing a better job at the 
moment. With my possible deteriorating abilities, I am using our reading 
machine more now.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

HI Andy, 

May I please ask you, have you ever used the Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFV 
apps? Have you used the Voice Stream Scanner? 

I ask this because of the message you sent. If there is a point to your 
message, it must have went right over my head because I didn’t get it!  LOL!  

 

Janet 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

You get what you pay for!

 

Andy

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: janet gross 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 1:44 PM

  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  HI Mary, 

  Thank you for this as I am seriously considering purchasing the Voice 
Stream Scanner.  As far as those other apps Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFB, they 
are all  deteriating!  LOL!   

  Janet 

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
  Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:15 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  Hi Janet,
  I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
  Mary

   

  Sent from my iPhone


  On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross  
wrote:

Hi Larry and all. 

Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, 
and that doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap 
See app, and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice 
dream scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice 
dream scanner.  

Janet  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a 
wonderful option. I have found it extremely useful.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

The product option never works for me either.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it 
that we go on.—Annie Proulx


On May 30, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Lelia  wrote:

  Hi, Janet, its not your phone, it's the app.  

RE: Seeing AI issues

[janet gross]

Hi Richard,
I often wonder why some people use the Seeing AI app successfully, and others 
can’t.
That is a mystery!  I have talked to people using the Seeing AI app with no 
problem, and I just can’t imagine how that can be, but I know it is a fact 
though.
Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 3:41 PM
To: ViPone list
Subject: Seeing AI issues

Hello,
Seeing AI was updated 2 months ago.
For those having issues on a new phone when it worked fine on the previous 
phone, it is highly unlikely it is the app.
The only way to sort out what the issue is will involve working with Apple 
Accessibility.
I have an iPhone SE, and all channels work fine.
I have clients with iPhone 8 pluses, XR's and XS phones that are using it 
successfully.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Richard

Check out my web site at: 
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RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[janet gross]

Richard,
So am I right in thinking if I received an email or text message with an 
attachment, I can use the scanner or the reader?

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Janet,
Glad to hear the phone checks out.

Voice Dream Scanner can be used completely on its own.

Aside from loving the Voice Dream Reader app and how it handles so many 
document types, especially books from Bookshare, when you have both apps, you 
can scan image based PDF files from within Voice Dream Reader using Scanner.
but like I say, if you don't need or want Voice Dream Reader, Voice Dream 
Scanner works fine by itself; you just won't be able to use it for PDF files.

Richard

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On Jun 2, 2019, at 1:51 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Richard,
Yes, I am definitely considering purchasing the Voice Stream Scanner.  Can 
Voice Stream scanner be purchased from the app store? I called Apple 
accessibility, and they remotely ran a diagnostic test, and I am happy to say 
all is well!  So I can now purchase the Voice Stream Scanner!  Smile!  I don’t 
have the voice Stream Reader though, will that make a difference?
Thank you again!
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Janet,
Before you do anything, you need to sort out if your phone is having a problem, 
which I suspect now that it is.
If TapTapSee isn’t working for you, then something has gone bad with your 
camera.

KNFB Reader is a joke these days, but TapTapSee should work fine, as well as 
should Seeing AI in at least the short text channel.

So before spending the $5.99 for Voice Dream Scanner, get your phone checked 
out.
Apple should be able to do that remotely if you don’
T have an Apple store handy.

You will need the serial number from the Settings, General, About screen so 
they can run the diagnostics, or rather have you run them and they can see the 
results.

But, I can assure you that if your camera is functioning correctly, you will 
not be sorry to spend the $5.99 for Voice Dream Scanner, especially if you 
already have Voice Dream Reader.
But even without the reader, it is simply the best OCR application on the 
iPhone.
It does not do bar codes, or any scene descriptions, but it will do the best 
job scanning print.

It does not do columns yet, but for text on cans, prescription bottles, sheets 
of paper, there is nothing like it.

Richard


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in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 3:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Larry and all.
Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, and that 
doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap See app, 
and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice dream 
scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice dream 
scanner.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a wonderful 
option. I have found it extremely 

Re: Flashlight Issue Resolved!

[Anthony Vece]

Janet;
We’ve  all been there and, we’ve all been  through it.
Please don’t be embarrassed.
I am in the same situation that you are.
Take care
God bless
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On Jun 2, 2019, at 7:27 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Hi All, 
> For those who might have been following one of my threads regarding the 
> flashlight on my phone, and because Be My Eyes had to turn my flashlight on 
> my phone through their phone in order to see.  Well, I have to admit I feel 
> so embarrassed to even admit this,as it was pretty stupid on my part.  So 
> here goes, once again, I called Apple Accessibility, and I told them every 
> time I call Be My Eyes, they keep telling me they can't see anything except 
> complete black, and they would have to turn on my flash through their iPhone. 
>  So Apple rep checked it, on my phone by seeing if they could see anything on 
> my kitchen counter.  Well, the Apple rep was telling me the exact samething 
> that Be My Eyes was telling me, Janet everything is completely black.  The 
> main problem was one of my kitchen lightbulbs directly above my kitchen 
> counter, and where I would hold a product so Be My Eyes could read it to me.  
> Well, low in behold, one of the lightbulbs blew out, and I never even thought 
> about that!  De!  I felt so stupid, but luckily enough, the Apple rep has a 
> father who is blind, and he said he goes through this quite often with his 
> father!  I don't know who laughed more me or the Apple rep!  Wow, did I kick 
> myself for that one!  Smile!  I guess that is what I get for being blind!  
> Although, I kept turning the light switch on, but I just never thought to 
> feel the lightbulb, until the Apple rep said hey Janet how about feeling the 
> lightbulb, and I said oh yeah, I never thought of that.  I then had to get a 
> chair and an extra lightbulb, and insert it, and the Apple rep said, hey 
> Janet I can see your whole kitchen!  Smile!  For those who might not know I 
> am totally blind, and I live alone.  I couldn't imagine when my sighted 
> family or friends would come around, that they didn't even say anything about 
> that.  I have this one friend who comes over often when she is on break from 
> work, and she is always turning on the other two lights, and raising the 
> window shades, and I just would think wow, some sighted people really need a 
> lot of light, but I didn't need that much light to see when I was sighted!  
> Well, I'm happy that problem is solved!  LOL!  The Apple rep told me not to 
> feel bad about it, because he also learned something, he didn't know someone 
> else using an iPhone could turn on my flash through another phone.  
> So I want to thank all those who tried to help.  
> Janet 
> Peace Be With You. 
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RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[janet gross]

Andy,
Ok, which one is voice dream? The scanner or the reader?
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 5:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

It’s “voice dream”


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 5:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

They are both wonderful products.  You won't regret buying them.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: janet gross
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 2:59 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Andy,
Oh ok!  I now get it! Smile!  Thank you for sharing that, as I am seriously 
considering purchasing the Voice Stream Scanner, and who knows, I just might 
purchase the Voice stream Reader as well!  LOL!
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Janet. I have used seeing ai, tap tap see and voice dream scanner. I’m not 
sure seeing ai is deteriorating as much as maybe my ability to hold a camera, 
smile. I just find that voice dream is doing a better job at the moment. With 
my possible deteriorating abilities, I am using our reading machine more now.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

HI Andy,
May I please ask you, have you ever used the Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFV apps? 
Have you used the Voice Stream Scanner?
I ask this because of the message you sent. If there is a point to your 
message, it must have went right over my head because I didn’t get it!  LOL!

Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

You get what you pay for!

Andy

- Original Message -
From: janet gross
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

HI Mary,
Thank you for this as I am seriously considering purchasing the Voice Stream 
Scanner.  As far as those other apps Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFB, they are all  
deteriating!  LOL!
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Janet,
I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Larry and all.
Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, and that 
doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap See app, 
and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice dream 
scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice dream 
scanner.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a wonderful 
option. I have found it extremely useful.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

The product option never works for me either.
Sent from Kimber's iPhone

The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that we go 
on.—Annie Proulx

On May 30, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Lelia 
mailto:leliastr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi, Janet, its not your phone, it's the app.  I've had nothing but problems
with the bar code part of the app for quite a while now.  All of the other
parts of the app work except for the bar code part.  So 

Re: Flashlight Issue Resolved!

[Gordon]

Try using the light detector on the seeing AI app. It works great in 
situations where you need to check lights.


On 6/2/2019 6:27 PM, janet gross wrote:

Hi All,
For those who might have been following one of my threads regarding the 
flashlight on my phone, and because Be My Eyes had to turn my flashlight on my 
phone through their phone in order to see.  Well, I have to admit I feel so 
embarrassed to even admit this,as it was pretty stupid on my part.  So here 
goes, once again, I called Apple Accessibility, and I told them every time I 
call Be My Eyes, they keep telling me they can't see anything except complete 
black, and they would have to turn on my flash through their iPhone.  So Apple 
rep checked it, on my phone by seeing if they could see anything on my kitchen 
counter.  Well, the Apple rep was telling me the exact samething that Be My 
Eyes was telling me, Janet everything is completely black.  The main problem 
was one of my kitchen lightbulbs directly above my kitchen counter, and where I 
would hold a product so Be My Eyes could read it to me.  Well, low in behold, 
one of the lightbulbs blew out, and I never even thought about that!  De!  I 
felt so stupid, but luckily enough, the Apple rep has a father who is blind, 
and he said he goes through this quite often with his father!  I don't know who 
laughed more me or the Apple rep!  Wow, did I kick myself for that one!  Smile! 
 I guess that is what I get for being blind!  Although, I kept turning the 
light switch on, but I just never thought to feel the lightbulb, until the 
Apple rep said hey Janet how about feeling the lightbulb, and I said oh yeah, I 
never thought of that.  I then had to get a chair and an extra lightbulb, and 
insert it, and the Apple rep said, hey Janet I can see your whole kitchen!  
Smile!  For those who might not know I am totally blind, and I live alone.  I 
couldn't imagine when my sighted family or friends would come around, that they 
didn't even say anything about that.  I have this one friend who comes over 
often when she is on break from work, and she is always turning on the other 
two lights, and raising the window shades, and I just would think wow, some 
sighted people really need a lot of light, but I didn't need that much light to 
see when I was sighted!  Well, I'm happy that problem is solved!  LOL!  The 
Apple rep told me not to feel bad about it, because he also learned something, 
he didn't know someone else using an iPhone could turn on my flash through 
another phone.
So I want to thank all those who tried to help.
Janet
Peace Be With You.



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Flashlight Issue Resolved!

[janet gross]

Hi All, 
For those who might have been following one of my threads regarding the 
flashlight on my phone, and because Be My Eyes had to turn my flashlight on my 
phone through their phone in order to see.  Well, I have to admit I feel so 
embarrassed to even admit this,as it was pretty stupid on my part.  So here 
goes, once again, I called Apple Accessibility, and I told them every time I 
call Be My Eyes, they keep telling me they can't see anything except complete 
black, and they would have to turn on my flash through their iPhone.  So Apple 
rep checked it, on my phone by seeing if they could see anything on my kitchen 
counter.  Well, the Apple rep was telling me the exact samething that Be My 
Eyes was telling me, Janet everything is completely black.  The main problem 
was one of my kitchen lightbulbs directly above my kitchen counter, and where I 
would hold a product so Be My Eyes could read it to me.  Well, low in behold, 
one of the lightbulbs blew out, and I never even thought about that!  De!  I 
felt so stupid, but luckily enough, the Apple rep has a father who is blind, 
and he said he goes through this quite often with his father!  I don't know who 
laughed more me or the Apple rep!  Wow, did I kick myself for that one!  Smile! 
 I guess that is what I get for being blind!  Although, I kept turning the 
light switch on, but I just never thought to feel the lightbulb, until the 
Apple rep said hey Janet how about feeling the lightbulb, and I said oh yeah, I 
never thought of that.  I then had to get a chair and an extra lightbulb, and 
insert it, and the Apple rep said, hey Janet I can see your whole kitchen!  
Smile!  For those who might not know I am totally blind, and I live alone.  I 
couldn't imagine when my sighted family or friends would come around, that they 
didn't even say anything about that.  I have this one friend who comes over 
often when she is on break from work, and she is always turning on the other 
two lights, and raising the window shades, and I just would think wow, some 
sighted people really need a lot of light, but I didn't need that much light to 
see when I was sighted!  Well, I'm happy that problem is solved!  LOL!  The 
Apple rep told me not to feel bad about it, because he also learned something, 
he didn't know someone else using an iPhone could turn on my flash through 
another phone.  
So I want to thank all those who tried to help.  
Janet 
Peace Be With You. 

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RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[Larry Lumpkin]

It’s “voice dream”

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 5:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

They are both wonderful products.  You won't regret buying them.

 

Andy

 

- Original Message - 

From: janet gross   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 2:59 PM

Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

Hi Andy, 

Oh ok!  I now get it! Smile!  Thank you for sharing that, as I am seriously 
considering purchasing the Voice Stream Scanner, and who knows, I just might 
purchase the Voice stream Reader as well!  LOL!  

Janet 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

Hi Janet. I have used seeing ai, tap tap see and voice dream scanner. I’m not 
sure seeing ai is deteriorating as much as maybe my ability to hold a camera, 
smile. I just find that voice dream is doing a better job at the moment. With 
my possible deteriorating abilities, I am using our reading machine more now.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

HI Andy, 

May I please ask you, have you ever used the Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFV apps? 
Have you used the Voice Stream Scanner? 

I ask this because of the message you sent. If there is a point to your 
message, it must have went right over my head because I didn’t get it!  LOL!  

 

Janet 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

You get what you pay for!

 

Andy

 

- Original Message - 

From: janet gross   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 1:44 PM

Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

HI Mary, 

Thank you for this as I am seriously considering purchasing the Voice Stream 
Scanner.  As far as those other apps Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFB, they are all  
deteriating!  LOL!   

Janet 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

Hi Janet,
I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
Mary

 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com> > wrote:

Hi Larry and all. 

Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, and that 
doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap See app, 
and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice dream 
scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice dream 
scanner.  

Janet  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a wonderful 
option. I have found it extremely useful.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

The product option never works for me either.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that we go 
on.—Annie Proulx


On May 30, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Lelia mailto:leliastr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi, Janet, its not your phone, it's the app.  I've had nothing but problems
with the bar code part of the app for quite a while now.  All of the other
parts of the app work except for the bar code part.  So its not only you.  

Lelia 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[Andy Baracco]

They are both wonderful products.  You won't regret buying them.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: janet gross 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 2:59 PM
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.


  Hi Andy, 

  Oh ok!  I now get it! Smile!  Thank you for sharing that, as I am seriously 
considering purchasing the Voice Stream Scanner, and who knows, I just might 
purchase the Voice stream Reader as well!  LOL!  

  Janet 

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:49 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  Hi Janet. I have used seeing ai, tap tap see and voice dream scanner. I’m not 
sure seeing ai is deteriorating as much as maybe my ability to hold a camera, 
smile. I just find that voice dream is doing a better job at the moment. With 
my possible deteriorating abilities, I am using our reading machine more now.

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
  Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 4:42 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  HI Andy, 

  May I please ask you, have you ever used the Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFV 
apps? Have you used the Voice Stream Scanner? 

  I ask this because of the message you sent. If there is a point to your 
message, it must have went right over my head because I didn’t get it!  LOL!  

   

  Janet 

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andy Baracco
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:05 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  You get what you pay for!

   

  Andy

   

- Original Message - 

From: janet gross 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 1:44 PM

Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

HI Mary, 

Thank you for this as I am seriously considering purchasing the Voice 
Stream Scanner.  As far as those other apps Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFB, they 
are all  deteriating!  LOL!   

Janet 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

Hi Janet,
I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
Mary

 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross  wrote:

  Hi Larry and all. 

  Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, 
and that doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap 
See app, and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice 
dream scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice 
dream scanner.  

  Janet  

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
  Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a 
wonderful option. I have found it extremely useful.

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
  Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  The product option never works for me either.

  Sent from Kimber's iPhone

  The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that 
we go on.—Annie Proulx


  On May 30, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Lelia  wrote:

Hi, Janet, its not your phone, it's the app.  I've had nothing but 
problems
with the bar code part of the app for quite a while now.  All of the 
other
parts of the app work except for the bar code part.  So its not only 
you.  

Lelia 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
janet
gross
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 5:30 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi All, 
I used to be able to use the Seeing AI app until I got my new XR phone, 
but
now, for some unknown reason the app doesn't work 99.9 percent of the 
time.
When I open the app and hold it over a can of soup or a box, etc, 
sometimes
it will beep for a few seconds, and sometimes it just doesn't do 
anything,
very seldom it will try to mumble a few words that I can't 

RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[janet gross]

Andy,
I’m sure that’s not the way the world works, but I did pay for KNFB Reader, 
matter of fact, I purchased it when it was on sale for $54.99, and that never 
worked much either!  Although, now I’m glad to know there isn’t anything wrong 
with my phone like Microsoft was saying!
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

What can you expect from something that is free?
That's just not the way the world works.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: janet gross
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 2:41 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

HI Andy,
May I please ask you, have you ever used the Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFV apps? 
Have you used the Voice Stream Scanner?
I ask this because of the message you sent. If there is a point to your 
message, it must have went right over my head because I didn’t get it!  LOL!

Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

You get what you pay for!

Andy

- Original Message -
From: janet gross
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

HI Mary,
Thank you for this as I am seriously considering purchasing the Voice Stream 
Scanner.  As far as those other apps Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFB, they are all  
deteriating!  LOL!
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Janet,
I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Larry and all.
Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, and that 
doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap See app, 
and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice dream 
scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice dream 
scanner.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a wonderful 
option. I have found it extremely useful.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

The product option never works for me either.
Sent from Kimber's iPhone

The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that we go 
on.—Annie Proulx

On May 30, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Lelia 
mailto:leliastr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi, Janet, its not your phone, it's the app.  I've had nothing but problems
with the bar code part of the app for quite a while now.  All of the other
parts of the app work except for the bar code part.  So its not only you.

Lelia

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet
gross
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 5:30 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi All,
I used to be able to use the Seeing AI app until I got my new XR phone, but
now, for some unknown reason the app doesn't work 99.9 percent of the time.
When I open the app and hold it over a can of soup or a box, etc, sometimes
it will beep for a few seconds, and sometimes it just doesn't do anything,
very seldom it will try to mumble a few words that I can't understand, and
the phone also gets quite warm.  I've just called Microsoft support through
the Be My Eyes app, and they told me they can't do any trouble shooting over
the phone.  Although, they did read my can of soup to me, but I guess that
might be all they can do, not sure! LOL!  All MS could tell me was to take
it to an 

Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[Richard Turner]

Andy,
I thought that might have been your point; but it is a meaningless one since 
she had also listed KNFB Reader which is far from free.
Your cryptic messages serve no point what-so-ever.
Too bad too, as sometimes you actually have something useful to say.
Richard


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On Jun 2, 2019, at 2:54 PM, Andy Baracco 
mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>> wrote:

What can you expect from something that is free?
That's just not the way the world works.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: janet gross
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 2:41 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

HI Andy,
May I please ask you, have you ever used the Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFV apps? 
Have you used the Voice Stream Scanner?
I ask this because of the message you sent. If there is a point to your 
message, it must have went right over my head because I didn’t get it!  LOL!

Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

You get what you pay for!

Andy

- Original Message -
From: janet gross
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

HI Mary,
Thank you for this as I am seriously considering purchasing the Voice Stream 
Scanner.  As far as those other apps Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFB, they are all  
deteriating!  LOL!
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Janet,
I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Larry and all.
Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, and that 
doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap See app, 
and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice dream 
scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice dream 
scanner.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a wonderful 
option. I have found it extremely useful.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

The product option never works for me either.
Sent from Kimber's iPhone

The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that we go 
on.—Annie Proulx

On May 30, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Lelia 
mailto:leliastr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi, Janet, its not your phone, it's the app.  I've had nothing but problems
with the bar code part of the app for quite a while now.  All of the other
parts of the app work except for the bar code part.  So its not only you.

Lelia

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet
gross
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 5:30 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi All,
I used to be able to use the Seeing AI app until I got my new XR phone, but
now, for some unknown reason the app doesn't work 99.9 

RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[janet gross]

Hi Andy,
Oh ok!  I now get it! Smile!  Thank you for sharing that, as I am seriously 
considering purchasing the Voice Stream Scanner, and who knows, I just might 
purchase the Voice stream Reader as well!  LOL!
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Janet. I have used seeing ai, tap tap see and voice dream scanner. I’m not 
sure seeing ai is deteriorating as much as maybe my ability to hold a camera, 
smile. I just find that voice dream is doing a better job at the moment. With 
my possible deteriorating abilities, I am using our reading machine more now.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

HI Andy,
May I please ask you, have you ever used the Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFV apps? 
Have you used the Voice Stream Scanner?
I ask this because of the message you sent. If there is a point to your 
message, it must have went right over my head because I didn’t get it!  LOL!

Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

You get what you pay for!

Andy

- Original Message -
From: janet gross
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

HI Mary,
Thank you for this as I am seriously considering purchasing the Voice Stream 
Scanner.  As far as those other apps Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFB, they are all  
deteriating!  LOL!
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Janet,
I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Larry and all.
Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, and that 
doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap See app, 
and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice dream 
scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice dream 
scanner.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a wonderful 
option. I have found it extremely useful.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

The product option never works for me either.
Sent from Kimber's iPhone

The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that we go 
on.—Annie Proulx

On May 30, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Lelia 
mailto:leliastr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi, Janet, its not your phone, it's the app.  I've had nothing but problems
with the bar code part of the app for quite a while now.  All of the other
parts of the app work except for the bar code part.  So its not only you.

Lelia

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet
gross
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 5:30 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi All,
I used to be able to use the Seeing AI app until I got my new XR phone, but
now, for some unknown reason the app doesn't work 99.9 percent of the time.
When I open the app and hold it over a can of soup or a box, etc, sometimes
it will beep for a few seconds, and sometimes it just doesn't do anything,
very seldom it will try to mumble a few words that I can't understand, and
the phone also gets quite warm.  I've just called Microsoft support through
the Be My Eyes app, and they told me they can't do any trouble shooting over
the phone.  Although, they did 

Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[Andy Baracco]

I have never gotten reliable results from seeing AI's bar code reader.  I feel 
that the product has deteriorated in its performance.  For me, this was to be 
expected, because in these instances, a product may be offered for free as a 
way to get people to use the product so they can test proof of concept.  After 
this is done, the developers move on to something else.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Larry Lumpkin 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 2:48 PM
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.


  Hi Janet. I have used seeing ai, tap tap see and voice dream scanner. I’m not 
sure seeing ai is deteriorating as much as maybe my ability to hold a camera, 
smile. I just find that voice dream is doing a better job at the moment. With 
my possible deteriorating abilities, I am using our reading machine more now.

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
  Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 4:42 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  HI Andy, 

  May I please ask you, have you ever used the Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFV 
apps? Have you used the Voice Stream Scanner? 

  I ask this because of the message you sent. If there is a point to your 
message, it must have went right over my head because I didn’t get it!  LOL!  

   

  Janet 

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andy Baracco
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:05 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  You get what you pay for!

   

  Andy

   

- Original Message - 

From: janet gross 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 1:44 PM

Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

HI Mary, 

Thank you for this as I am seriously considering purchasing the Voice 
Stream Scanner.  As far as those other apps Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFB, they 
are all  deteriating!  LOL!   

Janet 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

Hi Janet,
I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
Mary

 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross  wrote:

  Hi Larry and all. 

  Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, 
and that doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap 
See app, and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice 
dream scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice 
dream scanner.  

  Janet  

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
  Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a 
wonderful option. I have found it extremely useful.

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
  Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  The product option never works for me either.

  Sent from Kimber's iPhone

  The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that 
we go on.—Annie Proulx


  On May 30, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Lelia  wrote:

Hi, Janet, its not your phone, it's the app.  I've had nothing but 
problems
with the bar code part of the app for quite a while now.  All of the 
other
parts of the app work except for the bar code part.  So its not only 
you.  

Lelia 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
janet
gross
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 5:30 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi All, 
I used to be able to use the Seeing AI app until I got my new XR phone, 
but
now, for some unknown reason the app doesn't work 99.9 percent of the 
time.
When I open the app and hold it over a can of soup or a box, etc, 
sometimes
it will beep for a few seconds, and sometimes it just doesn't do 
anything,
very seldom it will try to mumble a few words that I can't understand, 
and
the phone also gets quite warm.  I've just called Microsoft support 
through
the Be My Eyes app, and they told me they can't do 

Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[Andy Baracco]

What can you expect from something that is free?
That's just not the way the world works.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: janet gross 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 2:41 PM
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.


  HI Andy, 

  May I please ask you, have you ever used the Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFV 
apps? Have you used the Voice Stream Scanner? 

  I ask this because of the message you sent. If there is a point to your 
message, it must have went right over my head because I didn’t get it!  LOL!  

   

  Janet 

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andy Baracco
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:05 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  You get what you pay for!

   

  Andy

   

- Original Message - 

From: janet gross 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 1:44 PM

Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

HI Mary, 

Thank you for this as I am seriously considering purchasing the Voice 
Stream Scanner.  As far as those other apps Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFB, they 
are all  deteriating!  LOL!   

Janet 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

Hi Janet,
I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
Mary

 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross  wrote:

  Hi Larry and all. 

  Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, 
and that doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap 
See app, and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice 
dream scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice 
dream scanner.  

  Janet  

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
  Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a 
wonderful option. I have found it extremely useful.

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
  Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  The product option never works for me either.

  Sent from Kimber's iPhone

  The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that 
we go on.—Annie Proulx


  On May 30, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Lelia  wrote:

Hi, Janet, its not your phone, it's the app.  I've had nothing but 
problems
with the bar code part of the app for quite a while now.  All of the 
other
parts of the app work except for the bar code part.  So its not only 
you.  

Lelia 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
janet
gross
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 5:30 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi All, 
I used to be able to use the Seeing AI app until I got my new XR phone, 
but
now, for some unknown reason the app doesn't work 99.9 percent of the 
time.
When I open the app and hold it over a can of soup or a box, etc, 
sometimes
it will beep for a few seconds, and sometimes it just doesn't do 
anything,
very seldom it will try to mumble a few words that I can't understand, 
and
the phone also gets quite warm.  I've just called Microsoft support 
through
the Be My Eyes app, and they told me they can't do any trouble shooting 
over
the phone.  Although, they did read my can of soup to me, but I guess 
that
might be all they can do, not sure! LOL!  All MS could tell me was to 
take
it to an Apple store, and let them see how it is acting because they 
think
something must be wrong with the hardware, or I might have some kind of
virus or a worm, and Apple needs to see this.  MS also said the Seeing 
AI
app is pretty strait forward, so I shouldn't be having this problem.  
So my
question is can anyone tell me what settings to check to see if I have 
the
app set up correctly? 
I've uninstalled the app two times, and reinstalled it.  I've picked the
voice I want to use for the app.  I've checked the language, 

Re: how to get single messages?

['Marcio' via VIPhone]

Dennis,
I am not getting messages. -- 
Which messages aren't you getting? Can you explain it a bit more so that 
we can try and help you with it?


Cheers,
Marcio 
AKA /Starboy/


Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

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RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[Larry Lumpkin]

Hi Janet. I have used seeing ai, tap tap see and voice dream scanner. I’m not 
sure seeing ai is deteriorating as much as maybe my ability to hold a camera, 
smile. I just find that voice dream is doing a better job at the moment. With 
my possible deteriorating abilities, I am using our reading machine more now.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

HI Andy, 

May I please ask you, have you ever used the Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFV apps? 
Have you used the Voice Stream Scanner? 

I ask this because of the message you sent. If there is a point to your 
message, it must have went right over my head because I didn’t get it!  LOL!  

 

Janet 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

You get what you pay for!

 

Andy

 

- Original Message - 

From: janet gross   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 1:44 PM

Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

HI Mary, 

Thank you for this as I am seriously considering purchasing the Voice Stream 
Scanner.  As far as those other apps Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFB, they are all  
deteriating!  LOL!   

Janet 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

Hi Janet,
I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
Mary

 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com> > wrote:

Hi Larry and all. 

Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, and that 
doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap See app, 
and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice dream 
scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice dream 
scanner.  

Janet  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a wonderful 
option. I have found it extremely useful.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

The product option never works for me either.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that we go 
on.—Annie Proulx


On May 30, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Lelia mailto:leliastr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi, Janet, its not your phone, it's the app.  I've had nothing but problems
with the bar code part of the app for quite a while now.  All of the other
parts of the app work except for the bar code part.  So its not only you.  

Lelia 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of janet
gross
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 5:30 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com  ' 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi All, 
I used to be able to use the Seeing AI app until I got my new XR phone, but
now, for some unknown reason the app doesn't work 99.9 percent of the time.
When I open the app and hold it over a can of soup or a box, etc, sometimes
it will beep for a few seconds, and sometimes it just doesn't do anything,
very seldom it will try to mumble a few words that I can't understand, and
the phone also gets quite warm.  I've just called Microsoft support through
the Be My Eyes app, and they told me they can't do any trouble shooting over
the phone.  Although, they did read my can of soup to me, but I guess that
might be all they can do, not sure! LOL!  All MS could tell me was to take
it to an Apple store, and let them see how it is acting because they think
something must be wrong with the hardware, or I might have some kind of
virus or a worm, and Apple needs to see this.  

RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[janet gross]

HI Andy,
May I please ask you, have you ever used the Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFV apps? 
Have you used the Voice Stream Scanner?
I ask this because of the message you sent. If there is a point to your 
message, it must have went right over my head because I didn’t get it!  LOL!

Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andy Baracco
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 4:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

You get what you pay for!

Andy

- Original Message -
From: janet gross
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

HI Mary,
Thank you for this as I am seriously considering purchasing the Voice Stream 
Scanner.  As far as those other apps Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFB, they are all  
deteriating!  LOL!
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Janet,
I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Larry and all.
Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, and that 
doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap See app, 
and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice dream 
scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice dream 
scanner.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a wonderful 
option. I have found it extremely useful.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

The product option never works for me either.
Sent from Kimber's iPhone

The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that we go 
on.—Annie Proulx

On May 30, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Lelia 
mailto:leliastr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi, Janet, its not your phone, it's the app.  I've had nothing but problems
with the bar code part of the app for quite a while now.  All of the other
parts of the app work except for the bar code part.  So its not only you.

Lelia

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet
gross
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 5:30 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi All,
I used to be able to use the Seeing AI app until I got my new XR phone, but
now, for some unknown reason the app doesn't work 99.9 percent of the time.
When I open the app and hold it over a can of soup or a box, etc, sometimes
it will beep for a few seconds, and sometimes it just doesn't do anything,
very seldom it will try to mumble a few words that I can't understand, and
the phone also gets quite warm.  I've just called Microsoft support through
the Be My Eyes app, and they told me they can't do any trouble shooting over
the phone.  Although, they did read my can of soup to me, but I guess that
might be all they can do, not sure! LOL!  All MS could tell me was to take
it to an Apple store, and let them see how it is acting because they think
something must be wrong with the hardware, or I might have some kind of
virus or a worm, and Apple needs to see this.  MS also said the Seeing AI
app is pretty strait forward, so I shouldn't be having this problem.  So my
question is can anyone tell me what settings to check to see if I have the
app set up correctly?
I've uninstalled the app two times, and reinstalled it.  I've picked the
voice I want to use for the app.  I've checked the language, I've allowed
the app to use my camera.  When I double tap on which reading option I want
to use meaning either to read a product, short text, document, etc,
sometimes, voiceover just completely stops talking, but I can still hear
some tapping sounds, so I know the phone or the app is doing something, but
I have to close the 

Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[Richard Turner]

Andy,
What does your statement, "You get what you pay for" mean?
It makes no sense in the context of Janet's note as she mentioned two free apps 
and KNfb Reader, which cost way more than it was ever worth and especially now, 
since it is awful.

I am not finding Seeing AI or TapTapSee getting worse, but those are free apps, 
so not really related to whatever it is you mean.

Richard


Check out my web site at: 
www.turner42.com
“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59


The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker


On Jun 2, 2019, at 2:04 PM, Andy Baracco 
mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>> wrote:

You get what you pay for!

Andy

- Original Message -
From: janet gross
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

HI Mary,
Thank you for this as I am seriously considering purchasing the Voice Stream 
Scanner.  As far as those other apps Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFB, they are all  
deteriating!  LOL!
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Janet,
I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Larry and all.
Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, and that 
doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap See app, 
and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice dream 
scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice dream 
scanner.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a wonderful 
option. I have found it extremely useful.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

The product option never works for me either.
Sent from Kimber's iPhone

The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that we go 
on.—Annie Proulx

On May 30, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Lelia 
mailto:leliastr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi, Janet, its not your phone, it's the app.  I've had nothing but problems
with the bar code part of the app for quite a while now.  All of the other
parts of the app work except for the bar code part.  So its not only you.

Lelia

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet
gross
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 5:30 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi All,
I used to be able to use the Seeing AI app until I got my new XR phone, but
now, for some unknown reason the app doesn't work 99.9 percent of the time.
When I open the app and hold it over a can of soup or a box, etc, sometimes
it will beep for a few seconds, and sometimes it just doesn't do anything,
very seldom it will try to mumble a few words that I can't understand, and
the phone also gets quite warm.  I've just called Microsoft support through
the Be My Eyes app, and they told me they can't do any trouble shooting over
the phone.  Although, they did read my can of soup to me, but I guess that
might be all they can do, not sure! LOL!  All MS could tell me was to take
it to an Apple store, and let them see how it is acting because they think
something must be wrong with the hardware, or I might have some kind of
virus or a worm, and Apple needs to see this.  MS also said 

RE: How to Turn Off iCloud on iPhone

[janet gross]

Hi Sieghard, 
I'm sorry to say I think you are missing the whole point here, and I stated 
what the issue was in my previous message.  You think there is nothing wrong 
with Apple forcing people to purchase more iCloud storage, but I do.  I just 
wonder how long will it be before others have to start purchasing more iCloud 
storage just in order to back up their phone, in case, one loses their phone, 
or if it breaks, and someone might not have the backup, that Apple advises 
people to do.  Let's face it, Apple even advises people before downloading an 
update, be for sure to back up your phone.  
Thank you though for your thoughts. 
Janet 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 3:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to Turn Off iCloud on iPhone

Hi Janet,

I am not sure why you feel this is such a big issue or unfair on the part of 
Apple. It is entirely up to you if you want to backup to iCloud or not. If you 
want to back up to a computer via iTunes or not back up at all then that is 
your choice, simply turn off iCloud Backup and it's done.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 11:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to Turn Off iCloud on iPhone

HI Sieghard,
Sieghard says: I assume Janet's problem is not because of backups but because 
other stuff is getting backed up to iCloud.  Janet says: yes, it is coming from 
the backups.  Why should I have to pay Apple even if it is only $0.99 cents a 
month just because of their backups, or because of the large updates Apple 
sends out? I should have the choice if I want to purchase more iCloud storage 
or not, not because I am being forced in to it.  I do not have any photos, 
videos  on my phone or on iCloud.  I've went through iCloud storage and checked 
all the apps I want backed up, and there are only a few of them.  I can see 
just how much storage the backups are taking up in iCloud.  When I check 
iCloud, the message says: 4.1 gbs  of 5gb used backups 83 percent dim, so this 
tells me most of my iCloud storage is being used by the backups, and this has 
been confirmed by Apple as well.  One thing I can do is to turn off the audo 
back up each time I charge my phone though.  Although, Apple recommends to back 
up each time the phone is plugged in.  Go figure!  
I'm not happy about this at all, and I consider this to be very unfair by 
Apple!  I'm sure Apple also knows this, when people back up, eventually, we all 
will have to start paying them for more iCloud storage!  Can you imagine if all 
Apple users start paying even if it is $0.99 each month, how much more money 
that will be for Apple! $0.99 is not a big deal, it is the principal!   
Sieghard, thank you for your opinions though, as it is greatly appreciated.  
Janet 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 8:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to Turn Off iCloud on iPhone

I would absolutely positively not turn off iCloud altogether on an iPhone and I 
would also not even turn off iCloud backups.
I assume Janet's problem is not because of backups but because other stuff is 
getting backed up to iCloud. You get 5 Gb of free iCloud storage and after that 
you have to purchase more, 50 Gb cost only 99 Cents a month in the US, in 
Canada it's $1.35 CAD.
Photos quickly can eat up your 5 Gb and videos do so even faster so you can 
always turn off iCloud Photo Library if that is not important to me.If you have 
more storage on Dropbox or OneDrive you can also enable Camera Roll on either 
one of these services and your pictures will get backed up there.
It's a simple thing to go to Settings > Your Account (at the very top) and then 
iCloud and to go through all the individual categories and to turn off the ones 
you don't want and leave the ones you want on.
Many apps use iCloud to sync content between iOS devices which are signed in to 
the same Apple ID and of course if you ever get a new iPhone or, hopefully this 
won't happen, you loose your iPhone, it is stolen or damaged beyond repair, 
having an iCloud backup and your Photos backed up to iCloud, OneDrive or 
Dropbox will be a life saver since all you have to do is to restore your new 
phone from your iCloud backup.
Yes, you can still use iTunes and a PC to back up your phone to the computer 
and you can do what is called an encrypted backup which backs up also passwords 
and such, but iCloud backups nowadays are just as good and it's not like in the 
old days when a PC backup included all your apps and such. The backup includes 
the information as to which apps you have and also your home screen layout, but 
even if you restore from a PC your apps are redownloaded from the app store and 
not restored 

Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[Andy Baracco]

You get what you pay for!

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: janet gross 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 1:44 PM
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.


  HI Mary, 

  Thank you for this as I am seriously considering purchasing the Voice Stream 
Scanner.  As far as those other apps Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFB, they are all  
deteriating!  LOL!   

  Janet 

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
  Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:15 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  Hi Janet,
  I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
  Mary

   

  Sent from my iPhone


  On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross  wrote:

Hi Larry and all. 

Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, and 
that doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap See 
app, and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice dream 
scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice dream 
scanner.  

Janet  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a 
wonderful option. I have found it extremely useful.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 

The product option never works for me either.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that 
we go on.—Annie Proulx


On May 30, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Lelia  wrote:

  Hi, Janet, its not your phone, it's the app.  I've had nothing but 
problems
  with the bar code part of the app for quite a while now.  All of the other
  parts of the app work except for the bar code part.  So its not only you. 
 

  Lelia 

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
janet
  gross
  Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 5:30 PM
  To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
  Subject: Seeing AI App Question Please.

  Hi All, 
  I used to be able to use the Seeing AI app until I got my new XR phone, 
but
  now, for some unknown reason the app doesn't work 99.9 percent of the 
time.
  When I open the app and hold it over a can of soup or a box, etc, 
sometimes
  it will beep for a few seconds, and sometimes it just doesn't do anything,
  very seldom it will try to mumble a few words that I can't understand, and
  the phone also gets quite warm.  I've just called Microsoft support 
through
  the Be My Eyes app, and they told me they can't do any trouble shooting 
over
  the phone.  Although, they did read my can of soup to me, but I guess that
  might be all they can do, not sure! LOL!  All MS could tell me was to take
  it to an Apple store, and let them see how it is acting because they think
  something must be wrong with the hardware, or I might have some kind of
  virus or a worm, and Apple needs to see this.  MS also said the Seeing AI
  app is pretty strait forward, so I shouldn't be having this problem.  So 
my
  question is can anyone tell me what settings to check to see if I have the
  app set up correctly? 
  I've uninstalled the app two times, and reinstalled it.  I've picked the
  voice I want to use for the app.  I've checked the language, I've allowed
  the app to use my camera.  When I double tap on which reading option I 
want
  to use meaning either to read a product, short text, document, etc,
  sometimes, voiceover just completely stops talking, but I can still hear
  some tapping sounds, so I know the phone or the app is doing something, 
but
  I have to close the Seeing AI app through the app switcher, to get 
voiceover
  to talk again, and go back into the app.  Sometimes the screen jumps to 
the
  app switcher, or just closes the entire app.  
  I've reset my phone up as a new phone two times since I've had it, I've
  reset my network settings as well, so any opinions will be greatly
  appreciated!  
  Thank you all.  
  Janet 

  Peace Be With You. 



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Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[Richard Turner]

Hi Janet,
Glad to hear the phone checks out.

Voice Dream Scanner can be used completely on its own.

Aside from loving the Voice Dream Reader app and how it handles so many 
document types, especially books from Bookshare, when you have both apps, you 
can scan image based PDF files from within Voice Dream Reader using Scanner.
but like I say, if you don't need or want Voice Dream Reader, Voice Dream 
Scanner works fine by itself; you just won't be able to use it for PDF files.

Richard


Check out my web site at: 
www.turner42.com
“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59


The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker


On Jun 2, 2019, at 1:51 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hi Richard,
Yes, I am definitely considering purchasing the Voice Stream Scanner.  Can 
Voice Stream scanner be purchased from the app store? I called Apple 
accessibility, and they remotely ran a diagnostic test, and I am happy to say 
all is well!  So I can now purchase the Voice Stream Scanner!  Smile!  I don’t 
have the voice Stream Reader though, will that make a difference?
Thank you again!
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Janet,
Before you do anything, you need to sort out if your phone is having a problem, 
which I suspect now that it is.
If TapTapSee isn’t working for you, then something has gone bad with your 
camera.

KNFB Reader is a joke these days, but TapTapSee should work fine, as well as 
should Seeing AI in at least the short text channel.

So before spending the $5.99 for Voice Dream Scanner, get your phone checked 
out.
Apple should be able to do that remotely if you don’
T have an Apple store handy.

You will need the serial number from the Settings, General, About screen so 
they can run the diagnostics, or rather have you run them and they can see the 
results.

But, I can assure you that if your camera is functioning correctly, you will 
not be sorry to spend the $5.99 for Voice Dream Scanner, especially if you 
already have Voice Dream Reader.
But even without the reader, it is simply the best OCR application on the 
iPhone.
It does not do bar codes, or any scene descriptions, but it will do the best 
job scanning print.

It does not do columns yet, but for text on cans, prescription bottles, sheets 
of paper, there is nothing like it.

Richard


Check out my web site at: 
www.turner42.com
“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 3:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Larry and all.
Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, and that 
doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap See app, 
and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice dream 
scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice dream 
scanner.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a wonderful 
option. I have found it extremely useful.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

The product option never works for me either.
Sent from Kimber's 

RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[janet gross]

Hi Richard,
Yes, I am definitely considering purchasing the Voice Stream Scanner.  Can 
Voice Stream scanner be purchased from the app store? I called Apple 
accessibility, and they remotely ran a diagnostic test, and I am happy to say 
all is well!  So I can now purchase the Voice Stream Scanner!  Smile!  I don’t 
have the voice Stream Reader though, will that make a difference?
Thank you again!
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Janet,
Before you do anything, you need to sort out if your phone is having a problem, 
which I suspect now that it is.
If TapTapSee isn’t working for you, then something has gone bad with your 
camera.

KNFB Reader is a joke these days, but TapTapSee should work fine, as well as 
should Seeing AI in at least the short text channel.

So before spending the $5.99 for Voice Dream Scanner, get your phone checked 
out.
Apple should be able to do that remotely if you don’
T have an Apple store handy.

You will need the serial number from the Settings, General, About screen so 
they can run the diagnostics, or rather have you run them and they can see the 
results.

But, I can assure you that if your camera is functioning correctly, you will 
not be sorry to spend the $5.99 for Voice Dream Scanner, especially if you 
already have Voice Dream Reader.
But even without the reader, it is simply the best OCR application on the 
iPhone.
It does not do bar codes, or any scene descriptions, but it will do the best 
job scanning print.

It does not do columns yet, but for text on cans, prescription bottles, sheets 
of paper, there is nothing like it.

Richard


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 3:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Larry and all.
Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, and that 
doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap See app, 
and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice dream 
scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice dream 
scanner.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a wonderful 
option. I have found it extremely useful.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

The product option never works for me either.
Sent from Kimber's iPhone

The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that we go 
on.—Annie Proulx

On May 30, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Lelia 
mailto:leliastr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi, Janet, its not your phone, it's the app.  I've had nothing but problems
with the bar code part of the app for quite a while now.  All of the other
parts of the app work except for the bar code part.  So its not only you.

Lelia

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet
gross
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 5:30 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi All,
I used to be able to use the Seeing AI app until I got my new XR phone, but
now, for some unknown reason the app doesn't work 99.9 percent of the time.
When I open the app and hold it over a can of soup or a box, etc, sometimes
it will beep for a few seconds, and sometimes it just doesn't do anything,
very seldom it will try to mumble a few words that I can't understand, and
the phone also gets quite warm.  I've just called Microsoft support through
the Be My Eyes app, and they told me they can't do any trouble shooting over
the phone.  Although, they did read my can of soup to me, but I guess that
might be all they can do, not sure! LOL!  All MS could tell me was to take
it to an Apple store, and let them see how it is acting because they think
something must be wrong with the hardware, or I might have some kind of
virus or a worm, and Apple needs to see this.  MS also 

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Hi, I am not getting messages.

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RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[janet gross]

HI Mary,
Thank you for this as I am seriously considering purchasing the Voice Stream 
Scanner.  As far as those other apps Seeing AI, TapTap See, KNFB, they are all  
deteriating!  LOL!
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 6:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Janet,
I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Larry and all.
Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, and that 
doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap See app, 
and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice dream 
scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice dream 
scanner.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a wonderful 
option. I have found it extremely useful.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

The product option never works for me either.
Sent from Kimber's iPhone

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on.—Annie Proulx

On May 30, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Lelia 
mailto:leliastr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi, Janet, its not your phone, it's the app.  I've had nothing but problems
with the bar code part of the app for quite a while now.  All of the other
parts of the app work except for the bar code part.  So its not only you.

Lelia

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet
gross
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 5:30 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi All,
I used to be able to use the Seeing AI app until I got my new XR phone, but
now, for some unknown reason the app doesn't work 99.9 percent of the time.
When I open the app and hold it over a can of soup or a box, etc, sometimes
it will beep for a few seconds, and sometimes it just doesn't do anything,
very seldom it will try to mumble a few words that I can't understand, and
the phone also gets quite warm.  I've just called Microsoft support through
the Be My Eyes app, and they told me they can't do any trouble shooting over
the phone.  Although, they did read my can of soup to me, but I guess that
might be all they can do, not sure! LOL!  All MS could tell me was to take
it to an Apple store, and let them see how it is acting because they think
something must be wrong with the hardware, or I might have some kind of
virus or a worm, and Apple needs to see this.  MS also said the Seeing AI
app is pretty strait forward, so I shouldn't be having this problem.  So my
question is can anyone tell me what settings to check to see if I have the
app set up correctly?
I've uninstalled the app two times, and reinstalled it.  I've picked the
voice I want to use for the app.  I've checked the language, I've allowed
the app to use my camera.  When I double tap on which reading option I want
to use meaning either to read a product, short text, document, etc,
sometimes, voiceover just completely stops talking, but I can still hear
some tapping sounds, so I know the phone or the app is doing something, but
I have to close the Seeing AI app through the app switcher, to get voiceover
to talk again, and go back into the app.  Sometimes the screen jumps to the
app switcher, or just closes the entire app.
I've reset my phone up as a new phone two times since I've had it, I've
reset my network settings as well, so any opinions will be greatly
appreciated!
Thank you all.
Janet

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Seeing AI issues

[Richard Turner]

Hello,
Seeing AI was updated 2 months ago.
For those having issues on a new phone when it worked fine on the previous 
phone, it is highly unlikely it is the app.
The only way to sort out what the issue is will involve working with Apple 
Accessibility.
I have an iPhone SE, and all channels work fine.
I have clients with iPhone 8 pluses, XR's and XS phones that are using it 
successfully.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Richard


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Re: Unread messages in email?

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

IMAP

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 2 Jun 2019, at 18:58, 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone  
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> 
> Hi, 
> Are you using iMap or pop? I know that can make a difference.
> 
> Want to join my WhatsApp group, VIP Apple Users? Email me privately with your 
> contact information and I will happily add you. 
> maria.reye...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Jun 2, 2019, at 1:07 PM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>   I have managed this before, but it isn't working for me this time: I don't 
>> delete my old emails, for my own reasons, so, if I don't keep up with them I 
>> can end up with thousands of messages marked as "unread". Now, say I want to 
>> mark them all as "read", I can hit edit, at the top of the inbox, go down to 
>> the bottom where it says "mark all" enter that and choose Mark as unread". 
>> So far so good, but I am running two phones, one, my 8 with a sim card and 
>> my 6 with no sim, but both are on wifi. No matter what I do to mark my 
>> messages as "read", the setting never sticks, and I can only guess it is 
>> because of the 2 phone situation. I am pretty sure that I can mark them 
>> successfully if the 6 is left off of wifi, but as soon as it is connected to 
>> the web everything goes back to "unread" status. Can anyone give me the 
>> right protocol for dealing with this, I know I did it last year after a 
>> holiday and several thousands of messages clogging up my inbox!
>> Thanks, Sandy.
>> 
>> Sent from The dark side of the moon
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RE: How to Turn Off iCloud on iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Janet,

I am not sure why you feel this is such a big issue or unfair on the part of 
Apple. It is entirely up to you if you want to backup to iCloud or not. If you 
want to back up to a computer via iTunes or not back up at all then that is 
your choice, simply turn off iCloud Backup and it's done.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 11:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to Turn Off iCloud on iPhone

HI Sieghard,
Sieghard says: I assume Janet's problem is not because of backups but because 
other stuff is getting backed up to iCloud.  Janet says: yes, it is coming from 
the backups.  Why should I have to pay Apple even if it is only $0.99 cents a 
month just because of their backups, or because of the large updates Apple 
sends out? I should have the choice if I want to purchase more iCloud storage 
or not, not because I am being forced in to it.  I do not have any photos, 
videos  on my phone or on iCloud.  I've went through iCloud storage and checked 
all the apps I want backed up, and there are only a few of them.  I can see 
just how much storage the backups are taking up in iCloud.  When I check 
iCloud, the message says: 4.1 gbs  of 5gb used backups 83 percent dim, so this 
tells me most of my iCloud storage is being used by the backups, and this has 
been confirmed by Apple as well.  One thing I can do is to turn off the audo 
back up each time I charge my phone though.  Although, Apple recommends to back 
up each time the phone is plugged in.  Go figure!  
I'm not happy about this at all, and I consider this to be very unfair by 
Apple!  I'm sure Apple also knows this, when people back up, eventually, we all 
will have to start paying them for more iCloud storage!  Can you imagine if all 
Apple users start paying even if it is $0.99 each month, how much more money 
that will be for Apple! $0.99 is not a big deal, it is the principal!   
Sieghard, thank you for your opinions though, as it is greatly appreciated.  
Janet 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 8:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to Turn Off iCloud on iPhone

I would absolutely positively not turn off iCloud altogether on an iPhone and I 
would also not even turn off iCloud backups.
I assume Janet's problem is not because of backups but because other stuff is 
getting backed up to iCloud. You get 5 Gb of free iCloud storage and after that 
you have to purchase more, 50 Gb cost only 99 Cents a month in the US, in 
Canada it's $1.35 CAD.
Photos quickly can eat up your 5 Gb and videos do so even faster so you can 
always turn off iCloud Photo Library if that is not important to me.If you have 
more storage on Dropbox or OneDrive you can also enable Camera Roll on either 
one of these services and your pictures will get backed up there.
It's a simple thing to go to Settings > Your Account (at the very top) and then 
iCloud and to go through all the individual categories and to turn off the ones 
you don't want and leave the ones you want on.
Many apps use iCloud to sync content between iOS devices which are signed in to 
the same Apple ID and of course if you ever get a new iPhone or, hopefully this 
won't happen, you loose your iPhone, it is stolen or damaged beyond repair, 
having an iCloud backup and your Photos backed up to iCloud, OneDrive or 
Dropbox will be a life saver since all you have to do is to restore your new 
phone from your iCloud backup.
Yes, you can still use iTunes and a PC to back up your phone to the computer 
and you can do what is called an encrypted backup which backs up also passwords 
and such, but iCloud backups nowadays are just as good and it's not like in the 
old days when a PC backup included all your apps and such. The backup includes 
the information as to which apps you have and also your home screen layout, but 
even if you restore from a PC your apps are redownloaded from the app store and 
not restored from the PC.
As a comment I do think Apple is pretty stingy when it comes to the 5Gb of free 
iCloud Storage. Considering how much an iPhone costs and how little they charge 
for their 50 Gb, I think they could at least up the 5Gb free limit to 10 or 15 
Gb or maybe include the 50 Gb storage as a value-added item when people 
subscribe to Apple Music or other services Apple offers. Sort of like Microsoft 
giving people who pay for Office 365 1 Tb of OneDrive storage. If you consider 
what an Office 365 subscription includes at a cost which is the same or 
slightly less as an individual Apple Music subscription, it's a real bargain.

Best regards,
Sieghard

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On this topic of 

Re: iOS History: Were You There At The Beginning?

[Shelly Brisbin]

Carolyn,

My books are available in ePub or PDF format. There are step-by-step 
instructions throughout, both for learning VoiceOver concepts and for using 
individual apps.

Hope that helps,
-shelly

On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 4:49:20 PM UTC-5, Carolyn Arnold wrote:
>
> Shelly, are these books in Braille. Does any of them provide step-by-step 
> guides to do exactly what is needed. An example of something that I know 
> now: 
>
> Add a new Contact 
>
> 1. From the Desktop, locate Contacts and double-tap. Later, we'll learn 
> how do to it from the Phone App in the Dock at the bottom of the screen. 
> 2. Place your index finger toward the top left of the screenVoiceOver 
> should say Contacts, Heading. 
> 3. Flick right. VoiceOver should say add. 
> 4. Double-tap, and VoiceOver should say double-tap to edut, and so forth 
> and so on. Yall all know how to do this, but I think you get the drift. Do 
> you provide step-by-step details to perform tasks? If so, and the books are 
> in Braille, where can one be purchased? 
>
> Best regards, 
>
> Carolyn 
>
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: vip...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> vip...@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Shelly Brisbin 
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 4:37 PM 
> To: VIPhone > 
> Subject: Re: iOS History: Were You There At The Beginning? 
>
> Grr. I made a little typo in my email address, which would make it kind of 
> hard for you to get in touch with me. My apologies. Please send to: 
>
> she...@shellyspodcast.com  
>
> Just to l's.  
>
> Thanks, 
> -shelly 
>
> On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 2:49:02 PM UTC-5, Shelly Brisbin wrote: 
>
> Hello! 
> Some of you know me. Some of you don’t. I’ve written six editions 
> of the book, iOS Access for All, and a seventh will probably happen 
> sometime this fall. And I make a bunch of podcasts. But I’m working on 
> something else. And I could use your help. 
>
> June 19 marks the 10th anniversary of an accessible iOS. It’s the 
> day the iPhone 3GS shipped in the US. To commemorate that milestone, I’m 
> producing an audio project, to be released on June 19, 2019. I’ve 
> interviewed lots of people who were around at the time the iPhone got 
> VoiceOver, and I’m looking to talk with a couple more. I want to record 
> short audio interviews this week. If you’re interested, and one of the 
> descriptions below fits you, please drop me an email at the address below. 
> Again, I really need to do these this week. Here’s who I’m looking for: 
>
> –people who have used iPhone or iPad in school or college, 
> particularly if you can talk about how that experience was different from 
> your pre-iOS accessibility experiences in education. 
>
> – women and people of color, especially if you were interested in, 
> or purchased an iPhone/iPod Touch when it first became accessible in 2009, 
> but also if you have a good iOS story to tell, but weren’t in that early 
> wave. 
>
> – iOS developers 
>
> – people who use iOS accessibility tools other than VoiceOver 
>
> – any former Apple folks who can talk about what it was like to 
> work on accessibility there. 
>
> If you fit one of these categories, please get in touch privately. 
> I’ll talk with as many people as I can, given short time. And either way, 
> watch for the program on June 19. I’ll send a link along to the list. 
>
>
> Thanks to all, 
>
> -shelly Brisbin 
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RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[janet gross]

Hi Mr. Ed, , 
I have a XR iPhone.  I can't get any of the Seeing AI channels to work.  
Thank you for letting me know, as I thought everyone was using seeing AI 
successfully, but I now see that is not the case. Although, I did use Seeing AI 
successfully with my old iPhone 6, but I firmly believe MS just isn't doing 
very much with that app anymore.   
 
Janet 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 7:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi,
What iPhone do you have? The bar code reader will not work with the 5s iphone. 
Mr. Ed
Mr. Ed

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 8:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi Lelia 

I don't really think it is my phone either.  I'm sorry to hear you are also 
having problems, but still happy to know I’m not the only one who has problems 
with this app, so thank you for letting me know!   Smile!  
Janet 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lelia
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 8:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

 Hi, Janet, its not your phone, it's the app.  I've had nothing but problems
with the bar code part of the app for quite a while now.  All of the other
parts of the app work except for the bar code part.  So its not only you.  

Lelia 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet
gross
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 5:30 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi All, 
I used to be able to use the Seeing AI app until I got my new XR phone, but
now, for some unknown reason the app doesn't work 99.9 percent of the time.
When I open the app and hold it over a can of soup or a box, etc, sometimes
it will beep for a few seconds, and sometimes it just doesn't do anything,
very seldom it will try to mumble a few words that I can't understand, and
the phone also gets quite warm.  I've just called Microsoft support through
the Be My Eyes app, and they told me they can't do any trouble shooting over
the phone.  Although, they did read my can of soup to me, but I guess that
might be all they can do, not sure! LOL!  All MS could tell me was to take
it to an Apple store, and let them see how it is acting because they think
something must be wrong with the hardware, or I might have some kind of
virus or a worm, and Apple needs to see this.  MS also said the Seeing AI
app is pretty strait forward, so I shouldn't be having this problem.  So my
question is can anyone tell me what settings to check to see if I have the
app set up correctly? 
I've uninstalled the app two times, and reinstalled it.  I've picked the
voice I want to use for the app.  I've checked the language, I've allowed
the app to use my camera.  When I double tap on which reading option I want
to use meaning either to read a product, short text, document, etc,
sometimes, voiceover just completely stops talking, but I can still hear
some tapping sounds, so I know the phone or the app is doing something, but
I have to close the Seeing AI app through the app switcher, to get voiceover
to talk again, and go back into the app.  Sometimes the screen jumps to the
app switcher, or just closes the entire app.  
I've reset my phone up as a new phone two times since I've had it, I've
reset my network settings as well, so any opinions will be greatly
appreciated!  
Thank you all.  
Janet 

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Re: Creating a crossword template in notes?

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Sandy,

Yes, you can create a table in Notes. Choose Insert, then Table.

Best,
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> On Jun 2, 2019, at 12:11 PM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
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> I want to create a table, wherein, I can fill in the blanks, and then 
> navigate using column and row, to fill in my own crossword. Can I do this, 
> say, in the notes app and are there any tips I might need to know?
> 
> Thanks, Sandy.
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Re: Unread messages in email?

['Maria Reyes' via VIPhone]

Hi, 
Are you using iMap or pop? I know that can make a difference.

Want to join my WhatsApp group, VIP Apple Users? Email me privately with your 
contact information and I will happily add you. 
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> On Jun 2, 2019, at 1:07 PM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>I have managed this before, but it isn't working for me this time: I don't 
> delete my old emails, for my own reasons, so, if I don't keep up with them I 
> can end up with thousands of messages marked as "unread". Now, say I want to 
> mark them all as "read", I can hit edit, at the top of the inbox, go down to 
> the bottom where it says "mark all" enter that and choose Mark as unread". So 
> far so good, but I am running two phones, one, my 8 with a sim card and my 6 
> with no sim, but both are on wifi. No matter what I do to mark my messages as 
> "read", the setting never sticks, and I can only guess it is because of the 2 
> phone situation. I am pretty sure that I can mark them successfully if the 6 
> is left off of wifi, but as soon as it is connected to the web everything 
> goes back to "unread" status. Can anyone give me the right protocol for 
> dealing with this, I know I did it last year after a holiday and several 
> thousands of messages clogging up my inbox!
> Thanks, Sandy.
> 
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Creating a crossword template in notes?

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

I want to create a table, wherein, I can fill in the blanks, and then navigate 
using column and row, to fill in my own crossword. Can I do this, say, in the 
notes app and are there any tips I might need to know?

Thanks, Sandy.


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Unread messages in email?

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,

I have managed this before, but it isn't working for me this time: I don't 
delete my old emails, for my own reasons, so, if I don't keep up with them I 
can end up with thousands of messages marked as "unread". Now, say I want to 
mark them all as "read", I can hit edit, at the top of the inbox, go down to 
the bottom where it says "mark all" enter that and choose Mark as unread". So 
far so good, but I am running two phones, one, my 8 with a sim card and my 6 
with no sim, but both are on wifi. No matter what I do to mark my messages as 
"read", the setting never sticks, and I can only guess it is because of the 2 
phone situation. I am pretty sure that I can mark them successfully if the 6 is 
left off of wifi, but as soon as it is connected to the web everything goes 
back to "unread" status. Can anyone give me the right protocol for dealing with 
this, I know I did it last year after a holiday and several thousands of 
messages clogging up my inbox!
Thanks, Sandy.

Sent from The dark side of the moon

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Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[Richard Turner]

Try using a lint free cloth and cleaning the camera lens.
And, start with the phone about 12 inches away from the item and when you begin 
to hear rapid tones, slowly move the phone closer to the item.
I got three codes on various items just now, here is the last one:
Libby's Whole Kernel Sweet Corn (15.25 Oz)Libby's Whole Kernel Sweet Corn 
(15.25 Oz)


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from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59


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any." -- Alice Walker


On Jun 2, 2019, at 8:09 AM, kitty hevener 
mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

U know, I could not get seeing ai to read a bar code either.  II t was beeping 
quite fast, but that’s all I got.

From: Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2019 3:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

I would agree that seeing AI at least in theory does more things. However, most 
of the time, I can’t get the barcode reader to do anything, even though I’m 
getting the tone at a very fast speed. I think it has gotten worse. I used to 
at least be able to get some things to read properly. The longer text or 
document reading has never worked all that well for me. And I already have a 
MoneyReader app that doesn’t instant job without me having to fool with the 
switch. So the only thing left is short text. And I do use that. So 
essentially, it is a single use app for me.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 1, 2019, at 12:46 PM, Lynn Schneider 
mailto:canepri...@gmail.com>> wrote:

While I totally agree that Voice Dream Scanner is a fantastic app and 
definitely worth the money, Seeing AI currently does more things, like the 
barcode reader. I have definitely noticed a change for the worse in Seeing AI 
over the past month or so. I have tried deleting and reinstalling the app, 
rebooting my phone, resetting network settings, etc. if Voice Dream Scanner 
could do barcode, currency etc. recognition like Seeing AI, it would be 
wonderful, but for now, these apps serve different sets of purposes.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 31, 2019, at 7:15 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Janet,
I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hi Larry and all.
Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, and that 
doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap See app, 
and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice dream 
scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice dream 
scanner.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a wonderful 
option. I have found it extremely useful.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

The product option never works for me either.
Sent from Kimber's iPhone

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on.—Annie Proulx

On May 30, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Lelia 
mailto:leliastr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi, Janet, its not your phone, it's the app.  I've had nothing but problems
with the bar code part of the app for quite a while now.  All of the other
parts of the app work except for the bar code part.  So its not only you.

Lelia

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet
gross
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 5:30 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi All,
I used to be able to 

Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

[kitty hevener]

U know, I could not get seeing ai to read a bar code either.  II t was beeping 
quite fast, but that’s all I got.  

From: Mary Otten 
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2019 3:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

I would agree that seeing AI at least in theory does more things. However, most 
of the time, I can’t get the barcode reader to do anything, even though I’m 
getting the tone at a very fast speed. I think it has gotten worse. I used to 
at least be able to get some things to read properly. The longer text or 
document reading has never worked all that well for me. And I already have a 
MoneyReader app that doesn’t instant job without me having to fool with the 
switch. So the only thing left is short text. And I do use that. So 
essentially, it is a single use app for me.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 1, 2019, at 12:46 PM, Lynn Schneider  wrote:


  While I totally agree that Voice Dream Scanner is a fantastic app and 
definitely worth the money, Seeing AI currently does more things, like the 
barcode reader. I have definitely noticed a change for the worse in Seeing AI 
over the past month or so. I have tried deleting and reinstalling the app, 
rebooting my phone, resetting network settings, etc. if Voice Dream Scanner 
could do barcode, currency etc. recognition like Seeing AI, it would be 
wonderful, but for now, these apps serve different sets of purposes.


  Sent from my iPhone

  On May 31, 2019, at 7:15 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:


Hi Janet,
I think that voice stream scanner is definitely the best scanning OCR 
application for your iPhone. I get much better results than I do with Seeing AI 
or KnFB. That app has actually deteriorated since it first came out in my 
opinion. I think he would be happy spending the six dollars for a Voice Dream 
scanner.
Mary



Sent from my iPhone

On May 31, 2019, at 3:57 PM, janet gross  wrote:


  Hi Larry and all. 

  Yes, I have the $6 to spare, but I’ve paid $55.99 for KNFB Reader app, 
and that doesn’t work well either, I have the Seeing AI app, I have the TapTap 
See app, and that isn’t working either.  So I just wonder how well this voice 
dream scanner might work.  Although, I would like to learn more about the voice 
dream scanner.  

  Janet  

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
  Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 8:56 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  If you have the $6 to spare, Winston Chin’s voice dream scanner is a 
wonderful option. I have found it extremely useful.

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
  Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:23 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Seeing AI App Question Please.

   

  The product option never works for me either.

  Sent from Kimber's iPhone

  The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that 
we go on.—Annie Proulx


  On May 30, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Lelia  wrote:

Hi, Janet, its not your phone, it's the app.  I've had nothing but 
problems
with the bar code part of the app for quite a while now.  All of the 
other
parts of the app work except for the bar code part.  So its not only 
you.  

Lelia 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
janet
gross
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 5:30 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: Seeing AI App Question Please.

Hi All, 
I used to be able to use the Seeing AI app until I got my new XR phone, 
but
now, for some unknown reason the app doesn't work 99.9 percent of the 
time.
When I open the app and hold it over a can of soup or a box, etc, 
sometimes
it will beep for a few seconds, and sometimes it just doesn't do 
anything,
very seldom it will try to mumble a few words that I can't understand, 
and
the phone also gets quite warm.  I've just called Microsoft support 
through
the Be My Eyes app, and they told me they can't do any trouble shooting 
over
the phone.  Although, they did read my can of soup to me, but I guess 
that
might be all they can do, not sure! LOL!  All MS could tell me was to 
take
it to an Apple store, and let them see how it is acting because they 
think
something must be wrong with the hardware, or I might have some kind of
virus or a worm, and Apple needs to see this.  MS also said the Seeing 
AI
app is pretty strait forward, so I shouldn't be having this problem.  
So my
question is can anyone tell me what settings to check to see if I have 
the
app set up correctly? 
I've uninstalled the app two times, and reinstalled it.  I've picked the
voice I want to use for the app.  

Question re Assistive touch menu

[Marie N.]

This can be a handy feature but how in the world do you get it to stay where 
you put it? It seems to jump up all over the place when you least expect or 
need it to do so. And when it grabs focus it is not always easy to move away. 
Should this be reported to Apple as a bug?

I'VE DECIDED I'M NOT OLD; I'M 25 PLUS SHIPPING AND HANDLING.

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Re: lost volume on IPad

[Vicki W.]

I simply started using the rotor and swiping up several times. If nothing 
happened, then I would rotate again and try again. Finally I hit the volume and 
it went up enough that I could continue raising it and correct the things I had 
undone on the rotor. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: John Harden 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2019 7:12 PM
  Subject: Re: lost volume on IPad


  How did you fix it?


  John
  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jun 1, 2019, at 10:10 PM, Vicki W.  wrote:


I fixed it. Thanks to those who helped.

Vicki

  - Original Message - 
  From: 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2019 5:42 PM
  Subject: Re: lost volume on IPad


  Try restarting your iPad by pressing and holding the power and home 
buttons together.


  Want to join my WhatsApp group, VIP Apple Users? Email me privately with 
your contact information and I will happily add you.  
  maria.reye...@icloud.com

  On Jun 1, 2019, at 8:34 PM, Vicki W.  wrote:


Asking SIRI doesn't work. She says it's full volume, which SIRI is, but 
Voice Over isn't.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Cris Ali 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2019 5:30 PM
  Subject: RE: lost volume on IPad


  Also, you can ask your siri to set the sound volume on your iPad to 
fifty percent   


  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
Of Vicki W.
  Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 7:44 PM
  To: IPhone 
  Subject: lost volume on IPad


  I have very little volume on my mini IPad. SIRI is loud, but the 
system sounds and voice over are so low I can barely hear them, in fact, I 
cannot hear voice over at all. I think what happened is that the volume got 
turned down to 10% and it just got lost. SIRI says Voice over is turned on, but 
just no volume. I tried doing a three finger double tap to turn speech on or 
off, but no volume there either.


  I have tried holding down the home key and raising the volume, but 
that did nothing. I also tried to get VO speaking while doing a two finger 
swipe down to keep it speaking, but nothing worked there either.


  How can I get VO working again and up to normal volume?


  Thanks.


  Vicki


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Minor things with latest update

[Kathy Brandt]

The way voiceover pronounces different words has changed, not enough to be 
really annoying, but enough to be noticed, like in the tabs under the messages, 
reply, minimize as in minimize draft, and some last names of people that used 
to be said correctly, but which are slightly different now. I don’t get why and 
update mainly concerned with security has to change the way things are 
pronounced; I hope this gets fixed.

Otherwise, sometimes in the mail, it takes a longer time, if there is a bunch 
of messages in a thread, for the first one to come up. Interestingly, in this 
one thread where there were 12 messages,, I wasn’t told how many messages there 
were, but it said one attachment, and then when I tried to open this 
conversation, the device just locked up. I had to close mail from the app 
switcher, put that message in trash, and it was only then that I could read all 
12 messages. I know, whoever will say, don’t put the Messages in threads, but I 
shouldn’t have to change how I like to read things on account of this stuff; if 
I know I don’t want to read about a certain topic, I want to delete it all at 
once. I remember way back I think around iOS 8, when there were mail problems; 
when everything worked as it should before, it does it make me feel good 
revisiting old territory.

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Re: How to Set Up and Use Personal Hotspot on iPhone

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Thanks for the articles.  They are very interesting and I am learning
about some very cool stuff.

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Re: How to Set Up and Use Personal Hotspot on iPhone

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Arlene,
You're welcome. Glad to know these articles are helping you too!

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Re: How to Set Up and Use Personal Hotspot on iPhone

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marcio, I really appreciate these articles you've been sending, with all the 
clear instructions. I'm saving each one you send.  Thanks again.

Arlene

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  Marilyn,

  Glad to know that the article helped you!
  Daily, I get articles like that. Then, sometimes I select the best ones and 
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Re: BSI and Calibration

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Hi, You might just have to keep calibrating the dots until they're in the right 
position. That's what I have to do. Whith explore mode you just slide your 
finger around the screen and VO should read out the dots.  

Want to join my WhatsApp group, VIP Apple Users? Email me privately with your 
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> On Jun 1, 2019, at 5:16 AM, 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone 
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> Hi All
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> I saw a post on here about using the braille keyboard on an IPhone.
>  
> I have read the article on Applevis and have a couple of question.
>  
> I have a problem with calibrating the keyboard.  Everytime I switch to the 
> the braille keyboard the buttons move.
>  
> Also, once I have set the keys in the right place I find sometimes the button 
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> I also, have a problem with explore mode.
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