RE: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Maybe "flawless" is a bit too strong of a description because even when Apple 
releases the last version of a current major version before the next new 
version comes out, there are still some bugs present.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2023 7:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we 
delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

I'd never encourage or discourage anyone from updating IOS, but I'm not sure 
Ive ever seen a flawless   OS.

—
Christopher (AKA CJ) on the move
Chaltain at Gmail

> On Apr 8, 2023, at 8:28 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>
> For those of us who remember iOS 11 which was released in 2017, it 
> was plagued with bugs. I did not update my iPhone until the spring 
> when Apple squashed most of them.  I was nagged to update but never 
> did until I was ready to enjoy a flawless experience.
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
>> On 4/8/23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> I disagree, I have never had my iPhone update entirely by itself if I 
>> didn't want it to. I have a friend in Germany who has an iPhone SE 
>> 2020 which is certainly capable of running iOS 16.4, but for some 
>> reason he wants to stay on iOS 15 right now and that is what he is 
>> on. I think sometimes people accidently tap something not realizing 
>> they just agreed to having an update install later, but you do have 
>> to enter your PIN and tap on "I Agree" at least I have never done an 
>> iOS update since my first iOS device in 2009 where this was not the 
>> case and it's now easier than ever to avoid updates if you don't want them.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Michael McKay
>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 2:16 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it 
>> time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod 
>> touch blog
>>
>> Hi folks:
>>
>> It’s been my experience that the updates to the Apple iPhone iPad the 
>> computer being the Mac, will only delay the updates. Sooner or later 
>> it will update on its own there’s no way to block them indefinitely. 
>> I’ve tried on my own phone and I picked it up one day and found it 
>> updating on its own even if the automatic update feature is turned 
>> off. Just thought I would let folks know that so please be aware of 
>> that
>>
>> Have a happy and safe Easter weekend.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Michael G. MacKay BA, ‘05.
>> Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
 On Apr 7, 2023, at 14:53, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>
>>> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, April 
>>> 6,
>>> 2023 at 8:41 AM
>>>
>>> Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed 
>>> installing them?
>>> Maybe let someone else find the bugs for a change.
>>>
>>> Apple releases plenty of software updates. It's one of the things 
>>> that we like about the iPhone in particular
>>>
>>> Apple is always adding new features and fixing bugs. But sometimes 
>>> it introduces whole new ones in the process, and that's less than ideal.
>>>
>>> I've historically told people to install the new hotness immediately.
>>> Whether it's an update to iOS 16 or macOS Ventura, or indeed any 
>>> other Apple operating system, my stance has always been to install 
>>> the updates immediately. Who doesn't want more features and fewer bugs?
>>>
>>> But with Apple's software quality assurance maybe taking a hit, I'm 
>>> starting to rethink that. I'm thinking, maybe, it's time that 
>>> someone else found the bugs instead.
>>>
>>> We've been here before
>>> Apple's software quality is something of a hot topic for some, 
>>> although not quite as blazing-hot as it once was.
>>>
>>> There was once a time when you couldn't open a podcast app without 
>>> someone waxing lyrical about how Apple had dropped the ball in some 
>>> way or another.
>>> Focusing on the iPhone so much meant the Mac suffered, and there's 
>>> an argument that some of the macOS Ventura goings-on suggest things 
>>> are as bad as ever - does your Mac tell you there's a new app or 
>>> service running on every restart?
>>>
>>> But things aren't much better over in iOS land anymore, either. 
>>> Things are breaking and strange decisions are being made. But I can 
>>> cope with opinionated software development not necessarily agreeing 
>>> with my opinion.
>>> What I don't like is introducing bugs for pretty vital bits of software.
>>>
>>> New iOS and macOS problems
>>> Apple's latest round of updates has been problematic.
>>> For example, people running macOS Ventura 13.3 and iPadOS 16.4 
>>> report that they can't make Continuity work anymore. Universal 
>>> Control is a mess right now, while other Continuity-based features 
>>> are also dead in the water.
>>> Copying something on a Mac and having it appear 

Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'd never encourage or discourage anyone from updating IOS, but I'm not sure 
Ive ever seen a flawless   OS.

—
Christopher (AKA CJ) on the move
Chaltain at Gmail

> On Apr 8, 2023, at 8:28 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>
> For those of us who remember iOS 11 which was released in 2017, it was
> plagued with bugs. I did not update my iPhone until the spring when
> Apple squashed most of them.  I was nagged to update but never did
> until I was ready to enjoy a flawless experience.
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
>> On 4/8/23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> I disagree, I have never had my iPhone update entirely by itself if I didn't
>> want it to. I have a friend in Germany who has an iPhone SE 2020 which is
>> certainly capable of running iOS 16.4, but for some reason he wants to stay
>> on iOS 15 right now and that is what he is on. I think sometimes people
>> accidently tap something not realizing they just agreed to having an update
>> install later, but you do have to enter your PIN and tap on "I Agree" at
>> least I have never done an iOS update since my first iOS device in 2009
>> where this was not the case and it's now easier than ever to avoid updates
>> if you don't want them.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Michael McKay
>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 2:16 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we
>> delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog
>>
>> Hi folks:
>>
>> It’s been my experience that the updates to the Apple iPhone iPad the
>> computer being the Mac, will only delay the updates. Sooner or later it will
>> update on its own there’s no way to block them indefinitely. I’ve tried on
>> my own phone and I picked it up one day and found it updating on its own
>> even if the automatic update feature is turned off. Just thought I would let
>> folks know that so please be aware of that
>>
>> Have a happy and safe Easter weekend.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Michael G. MacKay BA, ‘05.
>> Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
 On Apr 7, 2023, at 14:53, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>
>>> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, April 6,
>>> 2023 at 8:41 AM
>>>
>>> Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed
>>> installing them?
>>> Maybe let someone else find the bugs for a change.
>>>
>>> Apple releases plenty of software updates. It's one of the things that
>>> we like about the iPhone in particular
>>>
>>> Apple is always adding new features and fixing bugs. But sometimes it
>>> introduces whole new ones in the process, and that's less than ideal.
>>>
>>> I've historically told people to install the new hotness immediately.
>>> Whether it's an update to iOS 16 or macOS Ventura, or indeed any other
>>> Apple operating system, my stance has always been to install the
>>> updates immediately. Who doesn't want more features and fewer bugs?
>>>
>>> But with Apple's software quality assurance maybe taking a hit, I'm
>>> starting to rethink that. I'm thinking, maybe, it's time that someone
>>> else found the bugs instead.
>>>
>>> We've been here before
>>> Apple's software quality is something of a hot topic for some,
>>> although not quite as blazing-hot as it once was.
>>>
>>> There was once a time when you couldn't open a podcast app without
>>> someone waxing lyrical about how Apple had dropped the ball in some way or
>>> another.
>>> Focusing on the iPhone so much meant the Mac suffered, and there's an
>>> argument that some of the macOS Ventura goings-on suggest things are
>>> as bad as ever - does your Mac tell you there's a new app or service
>>> running on every restart?
>>>
>>> But things aren't much better over in iOS land anymore, either. Things
>>> are breaking and strange decisions are being made. But I can cope with
>>> opinionated software development not necessarily agreeing with my
>>> opinion.
>>> What I don't like is introducing bugs for pretty vital bits of software.
>>>
>>> New iOS and macOS problems
>>> Apple's latest round of updates has been problematic.
>>> For example, people running macOS Ventura 13.3 and iPadOS 16.4 report
>>> that they can't make Continuity work anymore. Universal Control is a
>>> mess right now, while other Continuity-based features are also dead in the
>>> water.
>>> Copying something on a Mac and having it appear on another device when
>>> you paste is the thing of magic. But it doesn't work anymore. It just,
>>> doesn't.
>>> The same goes for Handoff in general and it's just bad. These are
>>> features that have worked for months or longer. And now they don't,
>>> presumably because some service deep inside macOS is broken.
>>> Yes, these things can happen. But we should expect better. We should
>>> expect software updates not to break things that were working before.
>>> The first rule of software updates should be that they leave devices
>>> in a better state than 

Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

[Kelly Pierce]

For those of us who remember iOS 11 which was released in 2017, it was
plagued with bugs. I did not update my iPhone until the spring when
Apple squashed most of them.  I was nagged to update but never did
until I was ready to enjoy a flawless experience.

Kelly



On 4/8/23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> I disagree, I have never had my iPhone update entirely by itself if I didn't
> want it to. I have a friend in Germany who has an iPhone SE 2020 which is
> certainly capable of running iOS 16.4, but for some reason he wants to stay
> on iOS 15 right now and that is what he is on. I think sometimes people
> accidently tap something not realizing they just agreed to having an update
> install later, but you do have to enter your PIN and tap on "I Agree" at
> least I have never done an iOS update since my first iOS device in 2009
> where this was not the case and it's now easier than ever to avoid updates
> if you don't want them.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Michael McKay
> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 2:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we
> delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog
>
> Hi folks:
>
> It’s been my experience that the updates to the Apple iPhone iPad the
> computer being the Mac, will only delay the updates. Sooner or later it will
> update on its own there’s no way to block them indefinitely. I’ve tried on
> my own phone and I picked it up one day and found it updating on its own
> even if the automatic update feature is turned off. Just thought I would let
> folks know that so please be aware of that
>
> Have a happy and safe Easter weekend.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Michael G. MacKay BA, ‘05.
> Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 7, 2023, at 14:53, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>
>> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, April 6,
>> 2023 at 8:41 AM
>>
>> Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed
>> installing them?
>> Maybe let someone else find the bugs for a change.
>>
>> Apple releases plenty of software updates. It's one of the things that
>> we like about the iPhone in particular
>>
>> Apple is always adding new features and fixing bugs. But sometimes it
>> introduces whole new ones in the process, and that's less than ideal.
>>
>> I've historically told people to install the new hotness immediately.
>> Whether it's an update to iOS 16 or macOS Ventura, or indeed any other
>> Apple operating system, my stance has always been to install the
>> updates immediately. Who doesn't want more features and fewer bugs?
>>
>> But with Apple's software quality assurance maybe taking a hit, I'm
>> starting to rethink that. I'm thinking, maybe, it's time that someone
>> else found the bugs instead.
>>
>> We've been here before
>> Apple's software quality is something of a hot topic for some,
>> although not quite as blazing-hot as it once was.
>>
>> There was once a time when you couldn't open a podcast app without
>> someone waxing lyrical about how Apple had dropped the ball in some way or
>> another.
>> Focusing on the iPhone so much meant the Mac suffered, and there's an
>> argument that some of the macOS Ventura goings-on suggest things are
>> as bad as ever - does your Mac tell you there's a new app or service
>> running on every restart?
>>
>> But things aren't much better over in iOS land anymore, either. Things
>> are breaking and strange decisions are being made. But I can cope with
>> opinionated software development not necessarily agreeing with my
>> opinion.
>> What I don't like is introducing bugs for pretty vital bits of software.
>>
>> New iOS and macOS problems
>> Apple's latest round of updates has been problematic.
>> For example, people running macOS Ventura 13.3 and iPadOS 16.4 report
>> that they can't make Continuity work anymore. Universal Control is a
>> mess right now, while other Continuity-based features are also dead in the
>> water.
>> Copying something on a Mac and having it appear on another device when
>> you paste is the thing of magic. But it doesn't work anymore. It just,
>> doesn't.
>> The same goes for Handoff in general and it's just bad. These are
>> features that have worked for months or longer. And now they don't,
>> presumably because some service deep inside macOS is broken.
>> Yes, these things can happen. But we should expect better. We should
>> expect software updates not to break things that were working before.
>> The first rule of software updates should be that they leave devices
>> in a better state than before they were installed. And that isn't what
>> we're seeing.
>>
>> The Home app has gone backward in iOS 16.4, too. People say their
>> accessories don't work, or work intermittently which might be even
>> more infuriating. Apple has had problems with HomeKit before, and a
>> new architecture seems to be causing problems all over 

Cannot Start or Stop Alexa Assistive Reader Playback using Earpods or Airpods Manual Controls

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

Recently, I have discovered that I cannot start or stop Alexa reading a
Kindle book on iPhone using either my Ear Pod or Air Pod manual controls.
Also, the VoiceOver magic tap will no longer start or stop playback, either.

Has anyone encountered this?

Steps to reproduce:

1.
With either Apple Earpods or Airpods connected to iPhone, open the Alexa
app.

2.
Using either voice commands or on-screen controls, get Alexa to begin
reading a Kindle book title.

3.
Now, try to stop /pause playback of the title by either using the magic tap,
the play / pause button on the wired Earpods, or by hand gestures on the
Airpods.  

Unlike in previous versions of Alexa, none of them work.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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Chapters in apple podcasts

['Afik Souffir' via VIPhone]

Hi,

How do i find chspters marks in Apple podcasts? I never saw a button like that.

Thanks much
Afik

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RE: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I disagree, I have never had my iPhone update entirely by itself if I didn't 
want it to. I have a friend in Germany who has an iPhone SE 2020 which is 
certainly capable of running iOS 16.4, but for some reason he wants to stay on 
iOS 15 right now and that is what he is on. I think sometimes people accidently 
tap something not realizing they just agreed to having an update install later, 
but you do have to enter your PIN and tap on "I Agree" at least I have never 
done an iOS update since my first iOS device in 2009 where this was not the 
case and it's now easier than ever to avoid updates if you don't want them.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
McKay
Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 2:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we 
delayed installing them? iMore, The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog

Hi folks:

It’s been my experience that the updates to the Apple iPhone iPad the computer 
being the Mac, will only delay the updates. Sooner or later it will update on 
its own there’s no way to block them indefinitely. I’ve tried on my own phone 
and I picked it up one day and found it updating on its own even if the 
automatic update feature is turned off. Just thought I would let folks know 
that so please be aware of that

Have a happy and safe Easter weekend.

Cheers!

Michael G. MacKay BA, ‘05.
Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 7, 2023, at 14:53, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Thursday, April 6, 
> 2023 at 8:41 AM
> 
> Apple's software updates are breaking things - is it time we delayed 
> installing them?
> Maybe let someone else find the bugs for a change.
> 
> Apple releases plenty of software updates. It's one of the things that 
> we like about the iPhone in particular
> 
> Apple is always adding new features and fixing bugs. But sometimes it 
> introduces whole new ones in the process, and that's less than ideal.
> 
> I've historically told people to install the new hotness immediately.
> Whether it's an update to iOS 16 or macOS Ventura, or indeed any other 
> Apple operating system, my stance has always been to install the 
> updates immediately. Who doesn't want more features and fewer bugs?
> 
> But with Apple's software quality assurance maybe taking a hit, I'm 
> starting to rethink that. I'm thinking, maybe, it's time that someone 
> else found the bugs instead.
> 
> We've been here before
> Apple's software quality is something of a hot topic for some, 
> although not quite as blazing-hot as it once was.
> 
> There was once a time when you couldn't open a podcast app without 
> someone waxing lyrical about how Apple had dropped the ball in some way or 
> another.
> Focusing on the iPhone so much meant the Mac suffered, and there's an 
> argument that some of the macOS Ventura goings-on suggest things are 
> as bad as ever - does your Mac tell you there's a new app or service 
> running on every restart?
> 
> But things aren't much better over in iOS land anymore, either. Things 
> are breaking and strange decisions are being made. But I can cope with 
> opinionated software development not necessarily agreeing with my opinion.
> What I don't like is introducing bugs for pretty vital bits of software.
> 
> New iOS and macOS problems
> Apple's latest round of updates has been problematic.
> For example, people running macOS Ventura 13.3 and iPadOS 16.4 report 
> that they can't make Continuity work anymore. Universal Control is a 
> mess right now, while other Continuity-based features are also dead in the 
> water.
> Copying something on a Mac and having it appear on another device when 
> you paste is the thing of magic. But it doesn't work anymore. It just, 
> doesn't.
> The same goes for Handoff in general and it's just bad. These are 
> features that have worked for months or longer. And now they don't, 
> presumably because some service deep inside macOS is broken.
> Yes, these things can happen. But we should expect better. We should 
> expect software updates not to break things that were working before. 
> The first rule of software updates should be that they leave devices 
> in a better state than before they were installed. And that isn't what we're 
> seeing.
> 
> The Home app has gone backward in iOS 16.4, too. People say their 
> accessories don't work, or work intermittently which might be even 
> more infuriating. Apple has had problems with HomeKit before, and a 
> new architecture seems to be causing problems all over again after it 
> was pulled from iOS 16.2 for similar issues.
> We can hopefully expect these issues to be fixed in the next release, 
> whenever that will arrive.
> 
> The solution? Don't update
> 
> So what do we do about all this?
> Unfortunately, the only thing we can do is stop installing updates 
> immediately, mistakenly believing that they will make things better. 

RE: still having issue with photos

[Sieghard Weitzel]

What do you have selected in Setting > Photos under iCloud?
You can choose between "Optimize Storage" and "Download and keep originals"
I have it set to optimize storage and if I share a picture and select to save 
it to Dropbox, it saves as a JPG file.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 12:47 PM
To: IPhone 
Subject: still having issue with photos

Hi,

I'm still having my save issue with IPhone.

When someone sends me a photo, they come as .heic photos and I want to save 
them in Dropbox so I can transfer them to my PC. I need to save them as .jpg 
photos, but I can't convert them and can't find the settings in either camera 
or photo to save them as .JPG photos when someone sends them to me.

How can I do this? I tried the suggestion sent before which did not work. My 
IPhone is an older SE and this just started with all the photos I receive.

Thanks.

Vicki

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