Incoming notifications destroy the reading of a current article

[Mary Otten]

I have two iPhones, the newer one, an iPhone XR, and my ancient really ancient 
iPhone 7 Plus. If I am reading an article on the seriously older phone, I never 
have this problem. So that means it must have come from an iOS that my old 
phone doesn’t have. I think I’m stuck on that phone on iOS 15. Whenever I am 
reading something, be at an email or something on the web, when a notification 
comes in, I get the notification sound, the reading absolutely stops and it’s 
curtains time. On the old iPhone, the reading just keeps on happening. So I 
don’t know what’s going on if I have a setting that I need to change on my 
so-called newer phone or not. But I am also finding the same crap when I’m 
trying to read an article or something And there are advertisements. The old 
phone just blows them away and doesn’t care. The newer phone, reading stops and 
everything’s crappy. So it’s got to be something in the newer versions of iOS 
that my old 7+ doesn’t have. It’s way more pleasant frankly to read things on 
the old phone because unwanted interruptions and ads don’t kill things.  is 
anybody else noticed this and what can I do about it? 
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Re: Ecobee3 light and Siri not connecting

[Mary Otten]

, Chris. It did in fact require cited help. But I have it connected, thank heaven!MarySent from my iPhoneOn Apr 11, 2024, at 6:51 AM, Cris Ali  wrote:




Hi Mary,
I installed mine over a year ago and forgot the exact language ecobee app used. In any case, the app had many updates since then. Unfortunately you have to add your EcoBee3 light to the home app if you want to use SIRI. You may need sighted help to capture
 the code on the ecobee display. However, you still can control your heating and cooling temperature via the EcoBee app, it is reasonably accessible.
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On Apr 10, 2024, at 11:44 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:





Hi Chris,
Well, I just opened the ecobee app and didn’t find exactly what you said, but I did see ad, so I did that, but then it wanted me to find the registration code on the screen which I cannot do. Besides I’ve already registered it. Not through the thermostat
 I guess I don’t know. I’m just so frustrated. There’s if there is a registration code it’s already been done. Through the app and I didn’t need to have a code or anything. But until I do this, which I can’t, I can’t go on  I’ve been getting so many different
 things about do this and do that and none of them work. They all end in a dead end. I wish I’d never bought the damn thermostat, except the one I had, a nice simple one that talked and you could just arrow up or down, that died and they don’t make them anymore.
 So now all they have is this complicated crap that apparently requires site.  I’m just so frustrated. 

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Mary,
You must add your ecobee3 light to your Apple HomeKit for SIRI to recognize it. When I installed my Ecobee3 light thermostat i had to go to my account in the EcoBee App and select add to my home app. When I did that, the home app
 opened and asked me to scan the QR Code on the ecobee thermostat screen. I directed my phone camera towards the thermostat’s screen and slowly moved the phone around untill it saw the QR Code. After that, the home app will ask you to name this accessory and
 choose which room. Just follow the steps and hit done when finished.
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 10, 2024, at 7:34 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:




I got a ecobee3 light installed today. I put the ecobee app on my phone and follow the instructions. My Apple ID is connected to my ecobee account. Notifications are set up. When I look in the settings for the ecobee app it looks like
 everything should be a go. But Siri simply doesn’t see it. It doesn’t know what I’m talking about. supposedly the EOB is seeing my home. It’s not showing up in the Home app. What in heaven’s name am I missing?
Mary 
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Re: Mobile phone unwanted and scam monitoring.

[Mary Otten]

Hi Larry,
This might not be what you want to hear, but I am also a T-Mobile user, and 
never found Scam Shield all that great. So what I do is the nuclear approach, 
which means I have set the setting in my iPhone so that the only calls that 
ring through are those in my contacts. I get notifications if there’s a 
voicemail, And the bad side of this of course is that if you’re getting a call 
from somebody that’s not in your contacts, you’re going to have to call them 
back. So that’s the downside. The upside is I don’t get spam calls on my phone 
ever. It’s worth it to me. 
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> Hello list members. I was wondering if anyone is using an app to monitor and 
> screen calls on their mobile phone. I am a t-mobile user. Scam shield does 
> not do a very good job at least for me. I have used both the free and premium 
> version. I was using robokiller until this month. It did an ok job, but their 
> subscription service went from $24.99 to $74.99. I don’t mind the 
> subscription increase so much. It didn’t always work as advertised. So, 
> before I decided to renew or not, I thought I would ask what app others on 
> this list might be using. I have also tried TrueCaller but Just couldn’t get 
> id to work properly. Thanks
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Re: Ecobee3 light and Siri not connecting

[Mary Otten]

Hi Chris,Well, I just opened the ecobee app and didn’t find exactly what you said, but I did see ad, so I did that, but then it wanted me to find the registration code on the screen which I cannot do. Besides I’ve already registered it. Not through the thermostat I guess I don’t know. I’m just so frustrated. There’s if there is a registration code it’s already been done. Through the app and I didn’t need to have a code or anything. But until I do this, which I can’t, I can’t go on  I’ve been getting so many different things about do this and do that and none of them work. They all end in a dead end. I wish I’d never bought the damn thermostat, except the one I had, a nice simple one that talked and you could just arrow up or down, that died and they don’t make them anymore. So now all they have is this complicated crap that apparently requires site.  I’m just so frustrated. Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 10, 2024, at 5:01 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:




Mary,
You must add your ecobee3 light to your Apple HomeKit for SIRI to recognize it. When I installed my Ecobee3 light thermostat i had to go to my account in the EcoBee App and select add to my home app. When I did that, the home app
 opened and asked me to scan the QR Code on the ecobee thermostat screen. I directed my phone camera towards the thermostat’s screen and slowly moved the phone around untill it saw the QR Code. After that, the home app will ask you to name this accessory and
 choose which room. Just follow the steps and hit done when finished.
Sent from my iPhone

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I got a ecobee3 light installed today. I put the ecobee app on my phone and follow the instructions. My Apple ID is connected to my ecobee account. Notifications are set up. When I look in the settings for the ecobee app it looks like
 everything should be a go. But Siri simply doesn’t see it. It doesn’t know what I’m talking about. supposedly the EOB is seeing my home. It’s not showing up in the Home app. What in heaven’s name am I missing?
Mary 
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Ecobee3 light and Siri not connecting

[Mary Otten]

I got a ecobee3 light installed today. I put the ecobee app on my phone and 
follow the instructions. My Apple ID is connected to my ecobee account. 
Notifications are set up. When I look in the settings for the ecobee app it 
looks like everything should be a go. But Siri simply doesn’t see it. It 
doesn’t know what I’m talking about. supposedly the EOB is seeing my home. It’s 
not showing up in the Home app. What in heaven’s name am I missing?
Mary 
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Re: Labeling the reading of notifications on the lock screen

[Mary Otten]

Sent thanks for the thought, Chris. Unfortunately thanks for the thought, 
Chris. Unfortunately, it’s off. I just don’t know what I did different on these 
two phones. But I sure would like to shut off the automatic speaking of 
notifications when they come on the lock screen. I don’t care about getting a 
tone. That’s nice. It tells me there’s something there. But I don’t want it 
just reading out everything. from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2024, at 7:52 PM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
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> 
> Do not know if this will help, but try:
> Go to voice over quick settings by doing a two finger quadruple tap.
> Swipe down to system notifications and see if it is on or off.  If on, then 
> double tap to turn it off.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2024, at 8:55 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I know this is possible, because I have it set on my old iPhone 7 Plus to 
>> where in a notification comes and my phone is locked, I get a sound. I don’t 
>> get a bunch of reading. On my newer iPhone which is still old a 10 R, I 
>> can’t find how to make that happen. I don’t want notifications being read 
>> out. I saw something on AppleVis where somebody asked this question. There 
>> didn’t appear to be any answers. It Hass to be doable, because it’s two 
>> different ways on my phone. But I can’t find it. I’ve looked in the 
>> notifications  And Voice and I’m not seeing what I need. Does anybody have 
>> an answer?
>> Mary
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Labeling the reading of notifications on the lock screen

[Mary Otten]

I know this is possible, because I have it set on my old iPhone 7 Plus to where 
in a notification comes and my phone is locked, I get a sound. I don’t get a 
bunch of reading. On my newer iPhone which is still old a 10 R, I can’t find 
how to make that happen. I don’t want notifications being read out. I saw 
something on AppleVis where somebody asked this question. There didn’t appear 
to be any answers. It Hass to be doable, because it’s two different ways on my 
phone. But I can’t find it. I’ve looked in the notifications  And Voice and I’m 
not seeing what I need. Does anybody have an answer?
Mary 
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Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

[Mary Otten]

Well, I know I did a review of five star one, quite some time ago. So maybe it got buried. I have an updated it. If these people are really starting to update with crap reviews, I suppose I’ll have to go do mine too. But I think it’s ridiculous this complaining and complaining. You were not promised a perpetually free app after you paid your 10 or whatever dollars it was. In fact, if anybody has a long enough memory, you might remember when Winston himself charged for a major upgrade. I don’t remember the circumstances, but I do definitely remember having to pay for a big upgrade. And I didn’t care. It was worth it. This might be worth it too. It certainly the best app out there if you’re a big book user. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 29, 2024, at 5:00 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







What community are we talking about? OK, it's a rhetorical question because I know the blind/visually impaired community is being referred to. However, just because Voice Dream Reader is designed
 to work extremely well with Voiceover and has features for low vision users, it is not an app specifically made for blind/visually impaired users. In fact, going on the App Store and reading reviews, I didn't see a single review from a blind person. The app
 is also extremely useful to people with dyslexia and just anybody who wants an app which can read all sorts of files, books or articles to them as they are running, working out, driving or doing whatever. This discussion makes it sound like the new owners
 are traitors to the blind community or that they owe us something since they choose not  to be on the Viphone list or other Apple related lists. Just because Winston Chen decided to have a more hands-on approach, let's not demand every developer has to do
 this since in fact most of them don't. I don't think Amazon/Audible is subscribed to the Viphone list and neither is Microsoft or even Apple.

 


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I’ll restate Had it been  
Winston I wouldn’t have an issue.  Why not?  Winston was honest transparent and engaged with the community.  The Applause Group  does not engage with the community at all.
 


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Dennis,
You need to get your facts straight.
The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023.  Applause Group never said you would never have to pay.  They said you didn’t have to pay right away.
Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision. 

But, you are spreading false information.
Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information.
 
Could they have handled it differently, probably so.
 

And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing. 

 
Richard, USA
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 stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
My web site:
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This was published to his Mastodon feed.
https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3
 
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Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Mary Otten]

None of you who are saying Winston could’ve done this and that have any proof at all. Winston got out because he knew he was going to have to do something like what these people are doing and I guess he didn’t want to do it. As for subscription model going to collapse, the pay one time model is already dead. It’s not sustainable. An app purchases are what happens. I kind of agree about wishing they had split it off from the Mac app though. And I think I will write them and say that. I have a zero interest in the Mac at this point. So at least maybe two prices one for the Mac and the iOS and the other one just for the iOS.  Maybe they have a reason for not doing it that way. Unless you see their bank books, all of you who I complaining about greed have zero leg to stand on.Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 26, 2024, at 11:56 AM, Kerry Macdonald  wrote:That’s true, however, Winston was very much engaged with the blind community and talked to us about what worked for us and what did not. These people are not engaged with us at all.Subscription models are becoming way over the top, and these businesses are engaging in them due to greed nothing more. You can keep an app going without charging outrageous, yearly subscription fees Winston did it for 10 years, and yes, he may have had to charge subscription fees, but as I said, he was much more willing to work with us, and look at our needs as a community.KerrySent from my iPhoneOn Mar 26, 2024, at 1:25 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Again, and this should be my last post on this topic, Winston was going to start charging because the one-time purchase model is simply not sustainable.   So, you would be making the same charges against Winston had he not had the good sense to sell when he did.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 9:37 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream More over this company doesn’t keep their word.  They said when they took over.  That grandfathered  users wouldn’t have to pay. Again as others have said I would consider it. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Corey CookSent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 12:23 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream I have a friend that is a grandfathered user and she got an email this morning informing her as of May 1 she would have to pay.On Mar 26, 2024, at 12:17 PM, llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:It’s not clear to me where we older users are grandfathered into not paying or not.  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Feliciano GodoySent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 11:11 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream Hi all,It's unfortunate that this is a new subscription model for New users but I understand developers need to get paid for their work  for such app. Considering Voice Dream inclusiveness with Accessibility, it's worth supporting in my opinion if you use the app daily. They get continuous updates and the app is very robust. There are other apps that do similar   things like speech central and speechify.     I did a bit of research and this is what I found...11 months agoHi all, Voice Dream Team here. Existing users should not be affected and will continue to have access to the app. We are migrating to a subscription model only for new users. If you have any issues please feel free to contact our support team.   Voice Dream Reader for iOS is now $59.99/yearapplevis.comFrom Voice Dream, Feliciano For tech tips and updates: LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12vFollow www.twitter.com/theblindman12vFollow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12vthose who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs On Mar 26, 2024, at 8:56 AM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:Hi Group,I  would be willing to pay up to twenty dollars yearly, but this is ridiculous. I could afford it, but it is still way too high for an app on an Apple device. As mentioned before, the average price of most apps usable with IOS devices is between five and ten dollars US.  Allowing for the smaller market, I could easily pay double yearly, but not sextuplet!On 3/26/2024 3:49 AM, Dennis Long wrote:They aren't considering that a large number of blind people can't afford $60 a year.  They aren't also considering that a large number of blind people aren't able to find jobs in the USA.    More over if it were more reasonably priced maybe and it’s a big maybe.  It would be a big maybe because the only reason they would lower the price is they terribly 

Re: Voice Dream Pricing

[Mary Otten]

And if they do offer a monthly subscription, don’t be surprised if it’s a little bit more money than if you paid for it all at once. That’s real common in this subscription model. Yearly subscriptions are usually somewhat discounted over the monthly price. So if they charge Six dollars a month, we will hear all the people complaining about how they’re being dishonest.Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 26, 2024, at 11:47 AM, Corey Cook  wrote:$59 for the year is not bad. For some context it is about the price of 3 somewhat ok pizzas.  Corey Cook From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 2:45 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Voice Dream Pricing   I confirmed with the company that the price will be $59 per year.If you want a monthly subscrption instead, I suggest you write directly to: supp...@voicedream.com Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/003601da7fad%24c1e41130%2445ac3390%24%40comcast.net.



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Re: Has Anybody Updated to Voice Dream Premium?

[Mary Otten]

I have yet to see this email. I definitely don’t have it. I also don’t think 
they’re going to be bypassing the App Store in the US anytime too soon, because 
they’re going to be forced to do it if at all, and that’s going to take a long 
time. And there are a lot of restrictions on it even in the EU, which of course 
is causing headaches for Apple, because the EU isn’t happy. I frankly think the 
EU should keep its nose out of Apples business. They want to turn it into an 
android or something. But that’s a different topic. 
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> On Mar 26, 2024, at 11:31 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> When I got the email today and read through it, it seems that Voice Dream 
> Premium is perhaps more than we have now. I don't know if that is just 
> advertising, or is it really more than we have now. But my big question is, 
> when I tap the get started button, I notice that I seem to be buying my 
> subscription directly from them, rather than through the app store. So I 
> wonder, is Voice Dream Premium not only a completely different program than 
> we now have, but will be downloaded directly from them?  
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> Thanks for any information.
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> Arnold Schmidt
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Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Mary Otten]

So save yourself some money Dennis and start using NVDA. It works. Been using it for years, and I do pay them something every month because developers do have to eat. Freedom scientific? Been there done that way too complicated for me.Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 26, 2024, at 12:53 AM, Dennis Long  wrote:I hope it gets boycotted.  Again its more then half a Jaws subscription.  That is a screen reader.  They are way out of line with their pricing. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua HendricksonSent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 3:37 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream I’d expect this subscription could pay for things like new audio formats like ogg could be played. Also maybe newer voices like those from Microsofft. Take a chance and see what happens. I wish people weren’t so picky. I will support voice dream reader and I really hope others will do so as well. I am looking forward to the future of the app if people will stop whineing and pay for the app. It really does a lot of great stuff. If you want something that works well, sometimes you have to pay for it.Sent from My totally awesome iPhone!!On Mar 26, 2024, at 12:54 AM, Ron Canazzi <aa...@roadrunner.com> wrote: Hi Group,The Book Share program itself now has its own app. It is free and while a bit limited, it does read book share books quite well and the recent addition of a bookmark feature makes it usable in that limited context. On 3/26/2024 12:38 AM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:You guys are forgetting about the "Dolphin Easy Reader" app; which has a Bookshare interface. It's free, thus I plan to use it even more if Voice Dream ends up being subscriptiononly. Good luck!Gera Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de TelcelEl 25 mar 2024, a la(s) 9:01 p.m., Mary Otten  escribió:Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James  wrote:BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and M4B.  You can get it from the following link.  BookPlayerPlays M4B/M4A/MP3 audiobooks Sent from my iPad Air 5On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:59 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now. Mary Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner  wrote: I have not updated today.But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already started the Mac version as a subscription.$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with much harder interfaces and keep it free… Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vip

Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Mary Otten]

How much money do you save by using books share? How many books would you be purchasing if not for books share and reading with ease through Voice Dream reader? My problem isn’t the subscription as such. For instance, I can’t imagine paying for a weather app or a Parcel app, like somebody else’s. That’s their business. There’s tons of free weather apps out there that do a good job as far as I am concerned. But I have not found a reader that does anywhere close to what Voice Dream does efficiently. so if I have to pay, I’m going to pay. How many movie subscriptions do you guys have? It’s all a matter of what you’re willing to pay for and how much you use it. But calling them greedy just because they’re charging for their work is kind of unnecessary and wrong in my opinion. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 26, 2024, at 7:25 AM, Kerry Macdonald  wrote:Although I love Voice Dream, I think this is an outrage and simply greed on the developers part. Yes, I know developers need to eat, but I think they are just jumping on this subscription bandwagon that everyone has been doing these days which I feel is a very greedy way to do business. Those of us who purchased it already should not have to purchase it again in my opinion. We need to stand together and make our voices hurt, everyone should send them an email and express their opinion, I have done so, who is with me and will email them? That is the only way to get things done is to make our voices heard.KerrySent from my iPhoneOn Mar 26, 2024, at 12:44 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:Here in Mexico, $60 is almost a thousand Mexican pesos! Yeah I know... you can divide 1000 per month, which would be around 150 or so, but if you've already bought the app once...I know maybe Dolphin Easy Reader might not have the different voices or Audiobook slaying abilities, but it's free.GeraEnviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de TelcelEl 25 mar 2024, a la(s) 10:11 p.m., Joshua Hendrickson  escribió:I can’t believe all this negative talk about not wanting to pay $60 per year for voice dream reader. For me, it is one of the best apps out there for reading both ebooks and audio content. I’ll tell you all some of the recent changes the new owners have done for us all. They have recently allowed audio files in M4a format to  properly. When you want to change a reading voice for a bookshare book, you now have a search option  quickly find the voice you want. You also don’t have to pay for these voices either. You did have to pay around $5 per voice before. So please stop complaining and pay the $60 per year if you can. If people pay the money, think of how much better the app will be. I’ve pcht a lot of time into putting audio books and audio dramas on voice dream reader with iTunes to not pay the $60 price. When we found out that voice dream reader might be charging a subscripttion fee this shouldn’t be a surprise !o anyone. So please if you can, pay the $60!!!Sent from My totally awesome iPhone!!On Mar 25, 2024, at 10:01 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James  wrote:BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and M4B.  You can get it from the following link.BookPlayerPlays M4B/M4A/MP3 audiobooksSent from my iPad Air 5On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:59 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.MarySent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I have not updated today.But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already started the Mac version as a subscription.$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.You can always dump it for DAISY Easy

Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Mary Otten]

Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James  wrote:BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and M4B.  You can get it from the following link.BookPlayerPlays M4B/M4A/MP3 audiobooksSent from my iPad Air 5On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:59 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.MarySent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I have not updated today.But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already started the Mac version as a subscription.$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with much harder interfaces and keep it free… Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com



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Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Mary Otten]

Wow! I certainly didn’t get an email like that. You would no longer be able to download anything? So you have the app on your machine and it becomes useless to download from a book share? OK. That kind of stinks like maybe they should let you keep your current app and it should still work, but no more upgrades? If they’re all proud of their great upgrades that are so useful, they should be doing things that people are willing to pay for. I don’t remember any recent upgrades that have been all that special. Bug fixes that are incomplete to say the least. My iPhone is once again not downloading stuff that comes to my iPad. So I don’t think these developers are in Winston‘s league. He was way better at fixing Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 4:59 PM, regina alvarado  wrote:The email said it starts on May 1. When I went to the link, it showed me that it was $59 a year. It had all kinds of things they had done and why they would change to everyone. I bought it I think for five dollars. I was one of the first people to buy it I think. It said that on May 1, you will no longer be able to download anything. I use it only for books share and I’m very sorry that it’s going.Reggie Alvarado On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:55 PM, leobado1...@gmail.com wrote:Well, if you want to throw some light on this, ask someone for assistance when you launch VDR, so that you can turn off voice over. Apparently, double tap on the learn more link makes the banner go away, so we’re deep in the woods here. Cheers,Leo Bado. I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, for those who understand us enslave something in us.Khalil Gibran. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Monday, March 25, 2024 5:41 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream I have not updated today.But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already started the Mac version as a subscription.$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with much harder interfaces and keep it free… Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/008e01da7f0d%24e3f975d0%24abec6170%24%40comcast.net.



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Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Mary Otten]

I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.MarySent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I have not updated today.But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already started the Mac version as a subscription.$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with much harder interfaces and keep it free… Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com



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Re: Voice Dream Reader and change in the price?

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I saw that notice too, double tap, nothing.Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 1:16 PM, leobado1...@gmail.com wrote:Hi everyone. I updated VDR few minutes ago, and when I launched the app, a banner or something of that kind came up saying something about price change plus learn more, so I tried to tap into learn more but the banner gone away. Does anyone know better? Cheers,Leo Bado. I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, for those who understand us enslave something in us.Khalil Gibran. 



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Re: Apple Watch 8 Not Speaking

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I have had this happen on several occasions, and it’s always because I somehow turned off speech. So I suspect that is the problem.Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 12, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:Could it be a three finger double tap was done that muted the speech? Or, try triple tapping the crown to toggle VoiceOver off and then on again, or on, if it somehow got turned off.   Richard, USA"At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you." -- Wolfgang Von Goethe  My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ Microsoft Windows Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.3155) JAWS version 2024.2403.3  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sherrie GoslingSent: Tuesday, March 12, 2024 8:47 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Apple Watch 8 Not Speaking This has happened to me about 3 or 4 times over the last few months with my Apple watch 8. I also could hear the clicking and there was no reason for the watch to stop talking. I do use Apple air pods 2nd gen but the watch rarely connects to them. The first time I told watch Siri to start outdoor walk workout and held the watch close to my ear pod and I could hear it on the earpod. Then it started talking again. No rhyme or reason. Lately when it happens I go to the watch screen mirroring in the Accessibility under the Settings app on my iPhone SE 3. (It does take more than a minute for the watch to connect.) Actually I can’t say I followed any specific steps from here but after a while of trying various things the sound has come back.I have been afraid to try turning the watch off without speech since on Christmas eve I was going to restart it and it went into emergency mode. Luckily that time I was able to get a sighted friend to cancel it.I wish I could be more precise about what I did but I do hope this might help. I am running watch 10 but it also happened when I was running watch  OS 9 as well.Sherrie Sent from Sherrie's iPhone   On Mar 11, 2024, at 9:54 PM, blazie.g...@gmail.com wrote:  Hi Everyone, All of a sudden today, my Apple watch 8 stopped talking.  It still makes clicking noises when I move around the face and every once in a while a bell tone goes off until I do something that shuts it off.  No I don’t remember exactly what I do to get the bell to stop and have no idea what I did to make the speech stop.  I asked the watch to turn on VO and it did say that it was on but that’s all I have gotten it to say. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. Vivian and Sallie --The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ ---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com .To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/024a01da7420%243dec9020%24b9c5b060%24%40gmail.com . insertion point between well. and .Sherrie, at the 1,122nd position-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/070F961C-208D-43A0-A099-8F8FAB2A86F3%40gmail.com.



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Re: Earbud recommendations?

[Mary Otten]

Now that I have things sorted out, I can certainly recommend the aftershocks I 
guess it’s now shokz open fit. I don’t think you’re going to get big major 
stereo sound, but that wasn’t your deal. I now have them paired to my iPad mini 
and my iPhone. They have a hook that goes behind your ear, and then the 
earpiece itself sort of hangs in your ear, but does not preclude you from 
hearing the outside at all. I was on an hour and a half call this afternoon 
using these, they were totally  Not tiring at all and the people I was talking 
to could hear me. They aren’t cheap. They are available on Amazon or from a 
guys, if you want to keep your money in the blind community.
Mary

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> On Feb 18, 2024, at 12:13 PM, Stacy Fuehrer  wrote:
> Hello everyone.
> The earbuds I had for my phone have died.
> I’ve had them for quite a while, does anyone have any good earbud 
> recommendations?
> Not looking for a headset, as I use them on the bus annd train and things 
> like that.
> Like to have one ear  open to hear stop announcements and  such.
> 
>  Also, if I am out navigating with ara… Not looking for anything particularly 
> fancy
> Thank you very much.
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Re: Alexa stupidity

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I have never listened to that station before, but I just asked my Amazon device to play KUHF and it did. And it’s in Houston. Public radio.MarySent from my iPhoneOn Feb 17, 2024, at 10:04 AM, Richard  wrote:This week for whatever reason Alexa ceased to connect to the local public radio stream, even though Alexa has made the connection for years. I  typically opened the stream by asking Alexa to play KUHF, which are the station’s call letters. That’s no longer possible. Alexa repeats incorrect call letters and states the connection is not available. More happily, I can ask Alexa  to play “Houston Public Media” and the device will play the stream. I cannot imagine where and why the error now occurs in the Alexa, Tune In, and other involved systems. Arg! Richard Pettyrichard.pe...@earthlink.net From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary OttenSent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 4:10 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Alexa stupidity Yep. I actually think all of these assistance are getting stupider, including Google. All that AI they’re supposedly using certainly hasn’t made its way to my Google assistant, which is now unable to answer really simple questions like for instance when is the first Los Angeles Dodgers spring training game of 2024? You’d think it would know that with all of its massive AI capability or just look at a database. But no. And it’s not alone. Alexa didn’t know it either. Siri did. Surprise!Mary Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 15, 2024, at 7:11 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:Folks often talk about Siri being stupid, well, this morning Alexa showed that it could be equally stupid, if not more so.I use it mostly on our Sonos system.I make tea and coffee every morning for my wife and I.  I have two timers created, Carol’s timer, and Richard’s timer.This morning when I said “Alexa start Carol’s timer” it responded with “getting family Christmas Carol’s from SamSung … I’m having trouble communicating with Samsung…”  (Samsung is our TV.I tried again, and it said, “I’m having trouble, kitchen seems to be off line, check the connection and try again.”  Well, it couldn’t tell me that if it was offline.The third an final time it said;, “The history of salt …” at which point I said Alexa stop!.I then set the tea timer on our microwave and made my coffee and set my timer on my Apple watch. My speech is not unclear.  I don’t’ know what Alexa was taking, but it sure scrambled its brains this morning. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400  -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/035701da6021%2428391db0%2478ab5910%24%40comcast.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/4EC8E1CF-6A1C-4CED-A81E-D371BBBDCFEF%40gmail.com.



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Re: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth Headphones for iPhone

[Mary Otten]

Well, that’s what I thought should happen. So I pair to my iPhone. Locked it, 
pair to my iPad no problems, lock that. Come back to the iPhone, it absolutely 
doesn’t work. I’ve done it several times over two days, and it’s just not 
working. I guess I should unpaired it and try it again. Otherwise, I guess I 
have to send them back which is too bad, because they meet my use case. But I 
need them to work on two devices, one for workouts and the other for zoom. So, 
if they don’t work they’ll go back and I’m SOL again.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2024, at 6:51 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I don't know about the OPenFit, but both the OpenRun and OpenComm if you 
> pair to two devices, you have to be sure and lock the device you are not 
> using, then as soon as you start using the other device, it comes over the 
> headset.
> I've done that with my iPad and iPhone on those.
> I would think the OPenFit should work the same.
> But, should and does are often quite different.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 2:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit 
> Bluetooth Headphones for iPhone
> 
> Does anyone on this list who has the open fit headphones have a full proof 
> way of changing from one paired device to the other paired device, assuming 
> you have two devices paired? I can’t do it. My iPhone just will not reconnect.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 7, 2024, at 8:13 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:
>> 
>> You can also change the equalizer by pressing and holding both the volume 
>> up and down button at the same time until the change is announced.
>> Be sure to keep the box it came in as well as a copy of your receipt. I too 
>> have the Open Run and have had other models throughout the years. I love the 
>> bone conduction feature as it leaves my ears open. I'm one of those blindies 
>> who loses all sense of direction if my ears are covered up. Anyway... the 
>> reason I say to hold onto all your stuff for the headset is that for every 
>> single version I've had, I have had to get a replacement roughly a year 
>> after purchase. Getting a replacement thankfully is pretty seamless and it's 
>> a generous 2 year warranty, but just something to keep in mind. This really 
>> is the only gripe I have about the Shokz headsets.
>> 
>> 
>> Cristóbal
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2024 6:54 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth 
>> Headphones for iPhone
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> A couple of days ago, I purchased a pair of the Open Run Pro bone conducting 
>> Bluetooth headsets for use with my iPhone.
>> 
>> I decided to buy a pair because I have a couple of friends who are using the 
>> Open Run models and when talking to them, I cannot tell that they are using 
>> a Bluetooth headset, the microphone quality is that good.
>> 
>> I think they are absolutely amazing.
>> 
>> What I did not discover until after purchasing is that, using the Shock app 
>> for iOS, one can change the voice profile.  Kind of an E.Q. feature that I 
>> absolutely love.
>> 
>> The cost of this model is approximately 180 USD.
>> 
>> In fact, I was so impressed with the Open Run Pro model that, just 2 days 
>> later, I purchased the Open Fit model.  
>> 
>> With the Open Fit, you do not only have 4 preset sound profiles, from which 
>> to choose, but you also have a full equalizer feature.
>> 
>> The approximate cost of the Open Fit model is 130 USD.
>> 
>> There are several differences between the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit 
>> model.
>> 1.
>> The Open Run Pro is bone conduction.
>> 
>> 2.
>> The Open Fit, while not sitting in the ear, uses sound waves to conduct the 
>> sound.
>> 
>> 3.
>> Like Air Pods, the Open Fit can be worn on one ear at a time or on both ears.
>> 
>> 4.
>> Unlike Air Pods, both the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit can switch be

Re: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth Headphones for iPhone

[Mary Otten]

Does anyone on this list who has the open fit headphones have a full proof way 
of changing from one paired device to the other paired device, assuming you 
have two devices paired? I can’t do it. My iPhone just will not reconnect.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 7, 2024, at 8:13 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:
> 
> You can also change the equalizer by pressing and holding both the volume up 
> and down button at the same time until the change is announced.
> Be sure to keep the box it came in as well as a copy of your receipt. I too 
> have the Open Run and have had other models throughout the years. I love the 
> bone conduction feature as it leaves my ears open. I'm one of those blindies 
> who loses all sense of direction if my ears are covered up. Anyway... the 
> reason I say to hold onto all your stuff for the headset is that for every 
> single version I've had, I have had to get a replacement roughly a year after 
> purchase. Getting a replacement thankfully is pretty seamless and it's a 
> generous 2 year warranty, but just something to keep in mind. This really is 
> the only gripe I have about the Shokz headsets.
> 
> 
> Cristóbal
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2024 6:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth 
> Headphones for iPhone
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> A couple of days ago, I purchased a pair of the Open Run Pro bone conducting 
> Bluetooth headsets for use with my iPhone.
> 
> I decided to buy a pair because I have a couple of friends who are using the 
> Open Run models and when talking to them, I cannot tell that they are using a 
> Bluetooth headset, the microphone quality is that good.
> 
> I think they are absolutely amazing.
> 
> What I did not discover until after purchasing is that, using the Shock app 
> for iOS, one can change the voice profile.  Kind of an E.Q. feature that I 
> absolutely love.
> 
> The cost of this model is approximately 180 USD.
> 
> In fact, I was so impressed with the Open Run Pro model that, just 2 days 
> later, I purchased the Open Fit model.  
> 
> With the Open Fit, you do not only have 4 preset sound profiles, from which 
> to choose, but you also have a full equalizer feature.
> 
> The approximate cost of the Open Fit model is 130 USD.
> 
> There are several differences between the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit model.
> 1.
> The Open Run Pro is bone conduction.
> 
> 2.
> The Open Fit, while not sitting in the ear, uses sound waves to conduct the 
> sound.
> 
> 3.
> Like Air Pods, the Open Fit can be worn on one ear at a time or on both ears.
> 
> 4.
> Unlike Air Pods, both the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit can switch between 
> Apple Watch and iPhone seamlessly as both models can connect to, two, 
> devices, simultaneously.
> 
> You can purchase these models from Amazon or from Shock.com or, like me, just 
> go into your local Best Buy and grab a pair.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Alexa stupidity

[Mary Otten]

Yep. I actually think all of these assistance are getting stupider, including Google. All that AI they’re supposedly using certainly hasn’t made its way to my Google assistant, which is now unable to answer really simple questions like for instance when is the first Los Angeles Dodgers spring training game of 2024? You’d think it would know that with all of its massive AI capability or just look at a database. But no. And it’s not alone. Alexa didn’t know it either. Siri did. Surprise!MarySent from my iPhoneOn Feb 15, 2024, at 7:11 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:Folks often talk about Siri being stupid, well, this morning Alexa showed that it could be equally stupid, if not more so.I use it mostly on our Sonos system.I make tea and coffee every morning for my wife and I.  I have two timers created, Carol’s timer, and Richard’s timer.This morning when I said “Alexa start Carol’s timer” it responded with “getting family Christmas Carol’s from SamSung … I’m having trouble communicating with Samsung…”  (Samsung is our TV.I tried again, and it said, “I’m having trouble, kitchen seems to be off line, check the connection and try again.”  Well, it couldn’t tell me that if it was offline.The third an final time it said;, “The history of salt …” at which point I said Alexa stop!.I then set the tea timer on our microwave and made my coffee and set my timer on my Apple watch. My speech is not unclear.  I don’t’ know what Alexa was taking, but it sure scrambled its brains this morning. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400  



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Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

[Mary Otten]

Those apps are for windows 11, correct? I saw that in the headline of an article that I didn’t bother to read. I don’t have 11 and can’t get it on my current windows machine, so I’m thinking I will still have iTunes. Fortunately I don’t have to use it very much.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 10, 2024, at 10:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:








Windows users can now download full versions of the Apple Music and Apple TV applications, as well as a new Apple Devices app. They make the venerable iTunes app almost obsolete. Read more:
iTunes on its last gasp as Apple TV and Apple Music for Windows leave beta
 - Cult of Mac
 
iTunes for Windows nears
 End Of Life with launch of Apple Music, TV standalone experiences - The Verge
 
 







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Re: Purchasing audiobooks in the Audible app on my iPhone is inconsistent

[Mary Otten]

 Really? I have returned books in the past that I paid cash for. It was always 
through the Audible site however, since this new business of being able to buy 
and book through the iPhone app as well new, and I haven’t had occasion to want 
to return anything purchase that way. When did this you can’t return books that 
you bought with cash thing start? Is it only for those books purchased through 
the app? Or are they now not letting you get your money back if you buy a book 
for cash on the actual Audible site?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 8, 2024, at 11:16 AM, Barbara Stahl  
> wrote:
> 
> I understand your perspective on that the only downside to purchasing books 
> with money as opposed to credits is that if you do not like the book you 
> cannot return it and you're stuck with it and I absolutely hate that I hate 
> being stuck with books that I don't like
> 
>> On Feb 7, 2024, at 11:33 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
>> 
>> If the book is less than the price of a credit I will normally buy the
>> book.  Can't waste credits on cheap books.
>> 
>>>> On 2/7/24, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> I am on a yearly credit plan that of course I buy through Audible directly.
>>> So the credits are each worth something less than $11. I figured it out and
>>> I don’t remember exactly. So I always look to see about whispersync, but
>>> often it’s cheaper to use a credit or maybe I’ll find it on bookshare or
>>> whatever.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2024, at 10:21 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Mary,
>>>> 
>>>> I almost always prefer to purchase via the Amazon primary site because the
>>>> Audible version is much less expensive when you also purchase the Kindel
>>>> version, at the same time.
>>>> 
>>>> I recently purchased a Kendle with Whisper sync title for a total of $11
>>>> while purchasing the Audible title, only, would have cost $22.
>>>> 
>>>> My advice?  Always check for Whisper sync and, if available, buy the
>>>> Kindle version with audible narration.
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>>> Mary Otten
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2024 5:33 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Purchasing audiobooks in the Audible app on my iPhone is
>>>> inconsistent
>>>> 
>>>> If you don’t see the option to buy with cash, as head out or though has
>>>> said, make sure you updated your app. As for it being easier to purchase
>>>> with a credit, sure it’s easier. It’s also stupid if the cash price is
>>>> less than what you paid for the credit. If you’re willing to trade
>>>> efficiency for cash, OK. I’m not. If they didn’t have the option, I would
>>>> just do all my cash purchases online. On the website on my computer.
>>>> However, since this option is available, I expect it to work all of the
>>>> time, not just when it feels like it.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2024, at 5:20 PM, Joshua Hendrickson 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The easiest way to purchase audible books through the app, is with
>>>>> credits.  I have always done this, and will continue to do so.  It is
>>>>> much easier, to purchase credits through the computer on the audible
>>>>> website , then use the audible app to purchase books with those same
>>>>> credits.  I just updated my audible app today as well.  Good luck.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2/6/24, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>>>>>> Maybe you haven't updated the Audible app from within the App Store?
>>>>>> Make sure you've the latest update.
>>>>>> Gera
>>>>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> El 6 feb 2024, a la(s) 6:10 p.m., Barbara Stahl
>>>>>>>  escribió:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That is so strange when I go into the Audible app every book I
>>>>>>> click on it tells me that I can only purchase them with a credit
>>>>>>> because this app does not support cash purchases how are you able to
>>>>>>> do it
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2024, at 6:12 PM, Mary

Re: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth Headphones for iPhone

[Mary Otten]

I just looked for an app in the App Store called shock as spelled in a message. 
I didn’t find anything useful. I did find something that I thought might be it, 
because it was spelled SHOKZ which is how I remember this having been spelled. 
But when I tapped on that, I got some app that was called speaker connect And 
gave me a three day trial with a subscription every month after that. I’m quite 
sure that’s not what I want. Can anybody give me a hint as to just what I need 
to search onto actually find this app. Thanks.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 7, 2024, at 8:13 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:
> 
> You can also change the equalizer by pressing and holding both the volume up 
> and down button at the same time until the change is announced.
> Be sure to keep the box it came in as well as a copy of your receipt. I too 
> have the Open Run and have had other models throughout the years. I love the 
> bone conduction feature as it leaves my ears open. I'm one of those blindies 
> who loses all sense of direction if my ears are covered up. Anyway... the 
> reason I say to hold onto all your stuff for the headset is that for every 
> single version I've had, I have had to get a replacement roughly a year after 
> purchase. Getting a replacement thankfully is pretty seamless and it's a 
> generous 2 year warranty, but just something to keep in mind. This really is 
> the only gripe I have about the Shokz headsets.
> 
> 
> Cristóbal
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2024 6:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Mark on the Aftershock (Shock) Open Run Pro and Open Fit Bluetooth 
> Headphones for iPhone
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> A couple of days ago, I purchased a pair of the Open Run Pro bone conducting 
> Bluetooth headsets for use with my iPhone.
> 
> I decided to buy a pair because I have a couple of friends who are using the 
> Open Run models and when talking to them, I cannot tell that they are using a 
> Bluetooth headset, the microphone quality is that good.
> 
> I think they are absolutely amazing.
> 
> What I did not discover until after purchasing is that, using the Shock app 
> for iOS, one can change the voice profile.  Kind of an E.Q. feature that I 
> absolutely love.
> 
> The cost of this model is approximately 180 USD.
> 
> In fact, I was so impressed with the Open Run Pro model that, just 2 days 
> later, I purchased the Open Fit model.  
> 
> With the Open Fit, you do not only have 4 preset sound profiles, from which 
> to choose, but you also have a full equalizer feature.
> 
> The approximate cost of the Open Fit model is 130 USD.
> 
> There are several differences between the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit model.
> 1.
> The Open Run Pro is bone conduction.
> 
> 2.
> The Open Fit, while not sitting in the ear, uses sound waves to conduct the 
> sound.
> 
> 3.
> Like Air Pods, the Open Fit can be worn on one ear at a time or on both ears.
> 
> 4.
> Unlike Air Pods, both the Open Run Pro and the Open Fit can switch between 
> Apple Watch and iPhone seamlessly as both models can connect to, two, 
> devices, simultaneously.
> 
> You can purchase these models from Amazon or from Shock.com or, like me, just 
> go into your local Best Buy and grab a pair.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Purchasing audiobooks in the Audible app on my iPhone is inconsistent

[Mary Otten]

I am on a yearly credit plan that of course I buy through Audible directly. So 
the credits are each worth something less than $11. I figured it out and I 
don’t remember exactly. So I always look to see about whispersync, but often 
it’s cheaper to use a credit or maybe I’ll find it on bookshare or whatever.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2024, at 10:21 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> I almost always prefer to purchase via the Amazon primary site because the 
> Audible version is much less expensive when you also purchase the Kindel 
> version, at the same time.
> 
> I recently purchased a Kendle with Whisper sync title for a total of $11 
> while purchasing the Audible title, only, would have cost $22.
> 
> My advice?  Always check for Whisper sync and, if available, buy the Kindle 
> version with audible narration.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2024 5:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Purchasing audiobooks in the Audible app on my iPhone is 
> inconsistent
> 
> If you don’t see the option to buy with cash, as head out or though has said, 
> make sure you updated your app. As for it being easier to purchase with a 
> credit, sure it’s easier. It’s also stupid if the cash price is less than 
> what you paid for the credit. If you’re willing to trade efficiency for cash, 
> OK. I’m not. If they didn’t have the option, I would just do all my cash 
> purchases online. On the website on my computer. However, since this option 
> is available, I expect it to work all of the time, not just when it feels 
> like it.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 6, 2024, at 5:20 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>> 
>> The easiest way to purchase audible books through the app, is with
>> credits.  I have always done this, and will continue to do so.  It is
>> much easier, to purchase credits through the computer on the audible
>> website , then use the audible app to purchase books with those same
>> credits.  I just updated my audible app today as well.  Good luck.
>> 
>>>> On 2/6/24, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>>> Maybe you haven't updated the Audible app from within the App Store?
>>> Make sure you've the latest update.
>>> Gera
>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>>> 
>>>> El 6 feb 2024, a la(s) 6:10 p.m., Barbara Stahl
>>>>  escribió:
>>>> 
>>>> That is so strange when I go into the Audible app every book I
>>>> click on it tells me that I can only purchase them with a credit
>>>> because this app does not support cash purchases how are you able to
>>>> do it
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2024, at 6:12 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> At some point in the not too distant past, audible started
>>>>> offering books in their app for cash. I bought a couple today,
>>>>> because they were less than had I spent a credit. The first one I
>>>>> bought, I had to try several times, it finally took me to the App
>>>>> Store dialogue where I could confirm with the side button. Then I bought 
>>>>> a couple with credits.
>>>>> Finally, I wanted to buy one more with cash for the same reason I
>>>>> quoted above. I tried several times, and all it would say is there
>>>>> was an error and the purchase was unsuccessful. I got an OK button
>>>>> and I could try again and again and again. I waited a few minutes and 
>>>>> tried again.
>>>>> Nothing. So I went to the website and bought it there. Has anyone
>>>>> else experienced intermittent failure with this capability within the app?
>>>>> Mary
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Purchasing audiobooks in the Audible app on my iPhone is inconsistent

[Mary Otten]

No. Amazingly enough, it’s not that way. We don’t have tax in this state sales 
tax that is. So I bought  Books on the phone and was charged no more than I 
would’ve been charged had I purchased them on the Audible website. They’ve 
obviously done some kind of deal on the side to make this happen.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2024, at 7:01 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> Doesn’t it happen that when you buy something off Audible from within the 
> app, because you’re getting it from within Apple’s Ecosystem, it’s a little 
> bit more expensive than buying it directly on the website?
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
> 
>> El 6 feb 2024, a la(s) 8:18 p.m., Mary Otten  escribió:
>> 
>> Yes. What is supposed to happen is you’re in the Audible app. You find 
>> something you want. You see a guy with one credit button and you see a buy 
>> for however much cash button. Having decided to purchase with cash, you 
>> double tap that. What should happen then is that you get this ding and the 
>> App Store opens telling you to confirm with the side button that you want to 
>> make your purchase. And it happens. The problem is it’s inconsistent. When 
>> it works, it’s great.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Feb 6, 2024, at 5:46 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is a new feature of the app.  I suspect, there might be some bugs
>>> that need to be ironed out.  I have had no problems with the audible
>>> app.  I think I might have bought a book with cash from the app
>>> myself.  I just did face ID and double tapped the side button twice,
>>> and it worked just fine.
>>> 
>>>>> On 2/6/24, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>> If you don’t see the option to buy with cash, as head out or though has
>>>> said, make sure you updated your app. As for it being easier to purchase
>>>> with a credit, sure it’s easier. It’s also stupid if the cash price is less
>>>> than what you paid for the credit. If you’re willing to trade efficiency 
>>>> for
>>>> cash, OK. I’m not. If they didn’t have the option, I would just do all my
>>>> cash purchases online. On the website on my computer. However, since this
>>>> option is available, I expect it to work all of the time, not just when it
>>>> feels like it.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2024, at 5:20 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The easiest way to purchase audible books through the app, is with
>>>>> credits.  I have always done this, and will continue to do so.  It is
>>>>> much easier, to purchase credits through the computer on the audible
>>>>> website , then use the audible app to purchase books with those same
>>>>> credits.  I just updated my audible app today as well.  Good luck.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2/6/24, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>>>>>> Maybe you haven't updated the Audible app from within the App Store?
>>>>>> Make
>>>>>> sure you've the latest update.
>>>>>> Gera
>>>>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> El 6 feb 2024, a la(s) 6:10 p.m., Barbara Stahl
>>>>>>>  escribió:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That is so strange when I go into the Audible app every book I click
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> it tells me that I can only purchase them with a credit because this
>>>>>>> app
>>>>>>> does not support cash purchases how are you able to do it
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2024, at 6:12 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> At some point in the not too distant past, audible started offering
>>>>>>>> books in their app for cash. I bought a couple today, because they
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> less than had I spent a credit. The first one I bought, I had to try
>>>>>>>> several times, it finally took me to the App Store dialogue where I
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> confirm with the side button. Then I bought a couple with credits.
>>>>>>>> Finally, I wanted to buy one more with cash for the same reason I
>>>>>>>> quoted
>>>>>>>> above. I tried several times, and all it would say

Re: Purchasing audiobooks in the Audible app on my iPhone is inconsistent

[Mary Otten]

Yes. What is supposed to happen is you’re in the Audible app. You find 
something you want. You see a guy with one credit button and you see a buy for 
however much cash button. Having decided to purchase with cash, you double tap 
that. What should happen then is that you get this ding and the App Store opens 
telling you to confirm with the side button that you want to make your 
purchase. And it happens. The problem is it’s inconsistent. When it works, it’s 
great. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2024, at 5:46 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> This is a new feature of the app.  I suspect, there might be some bugs
> that need to be ironed out.  I have had no problems with the audible
> app.  I think I might have bought a book with cash from the app
> myself.  I just did face ID and double tapped the side button twice,
> and it worked just fine.
> 
>> On 2/6/24, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> If you don’t see the option to buy with cash, as head out or though has
>> said, make sure you updated your app. As for it being easier to purchase
>> with a credit, sure it’s easier. It’s also stupid if the cash price is less
>> than what you paid for the credit. If you’re willing to trade efficiency for
>> cash, OK. I’m not. If they didn’t have the option, I would just do all my
>> cash purchases online. On the website on my computer. However, since this
>> option is available, I expect it to work all of the time, not just when it
>> feels like it.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Feb 6, 2024, at 5:20 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The easiest way to purchase audible books through the app, is with
>>> credits.  I have always done this, and will continue to do so.  It is
>>> much easier, to purchase credits through the computer on the audible
>>> website , then use the audible app to purchase books with those same
>>> credits.  I just updated my audible app today as well.  Good luck.
>>> 
>>>> On 2/6/24, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>>>> Maybe you haven't updated the Audible app from within the App Store?
>>>> Make
>>>> sure you've the latest update.
>>>> Gera
>>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>>>> 
>>>>> El 6 feb 2024, a la(s) 6:10 p.m., Barbara Stahl
>>>>>  escribió:
>>>>> 
>>>>> That is so strange when I go into the Audible app every book I click
>>>>> on
>>>>> it tells me that I can only purchase them with a credit because this
>>>>> app
>>>>> does not support cash purchases how are you able to do it
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2024, at 6:12 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At some point in the not too distant past, audible started offering
>>>>>> books in their app for cash. I bought a couple today, because they
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> less than had I spent a credit. The first one I bought, I had to try
>>>>>> several times, it finally took me to the App Store dialogue where I
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> confirm with the side button. Then I bought a couple with credits.
>>>>>> Finally, I wanted to buy one more with cash for the same reason I
>>>>>> quoted
>>>>>> above. I tried several times, and all it would say is there was an
>>>>>> error
>>>>>> and the purchase was unsuccessful. I got an OK button and I could try
>>>>>> again and again and again. I waited a few minutes and tried again.
>>>>>> Nothing. So I went to the website and bought it there. Has anyone else
>>>>>> experienced intermittent failure with this capability within the app?
>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Purchasing audiobooks in the Audible app on my iPhone is inconsistent

[Mary Otten]

If you don’t see the option to buy with cash, as head out or though has said, 
make sure you updated your app. As for it being easier to purchase with a 
credit, sure it’s easier. It’s also stupid if the cash price is less than what 
you paid for the credit. If you’re willing to trade efficiency for cash, OK. 
I’m not. If they didn’t have the option, I would just do all my cash purchases 
online. On the website on my computer. However, since this option is available, 
I expect it to work all of the time, not just when it feels like it. 
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> On Feb 6, 2024, at 5:20 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> The easiest way to purchase audible books through the app, is with
> credits.  I have always done this, and will continue to do so.  It is
> much easier, to purchase credits through the computer on the audible
> website , then use the audible app to purchase books with those same
> credits.  I just updated my audible app today as well.  Good luck.
> 
>> On 2/6/24, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>> Maybe you haven't updated the Audible app from within the App Store? Make
>> sure you've the latest update.
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>> 
>>> El 6 feb 2024, a la(s) 6:10 p.m., Barbara Stahl
>>>  escribió:
>>> 
>>> That is so strange when I go into the Audible app every book I click on
>>> it tells me that I can only purchase them with a credit because this app
>>> does not support cash purchases how are you able to do it
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 6, 2024, at 6:12 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> At some point in the not too distant past, audible started offering
>>>> books in their app for cash. I bought a couple today, because they were
>>>> less than had I spent a credit. The first one I bought, I had to try
>>>> several times, it finally took me to the App Store dialogue where I could
>>>> confirm with the side button. Then I bought a couple with credits.
>>>> Finally, I wanted to buy one more with cash for the same reason I quoted
>>>> above. I tried several times, and all it would say is there was an error
>>>> and the purchase was unsuccessful. I got an OK button and I could try
>>>> again and again and again. I waited a few minutes and tried again.
>>>> Nothing. So I went to the website and bought it there. Has anyone else
>>>> experienced intermittent failure with this capability within the app?
>>>> Mary
>>>> 
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Purchasing audiobooks in the Audible app on my iPhone is inconsistent

[Mary Otten]

At some point in the not too distant past, audible started offering books in 
their app for cash. I bought a couple today, because they were less than had I 
spent a credit. The first one I bought, I had to try several times, it finally 
took me to the App Store dialogue where I could confirm with the side button. 
Then I bought a couple with credits. Finally, I wanted to buy one more with 
cash for the same reason I quoted above. I tried several times, and all it 
would say is there was an error and the purchase was unsuccessful. I got an OK 
button and I could try again and again and again. I waited a few minutes and 
tried again. Nothing. So I went to the website and bought it there. Has anyone 
else experienced intermittent failure with this capability within the app?
Mary

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Re: The next generation of Speech Central has been launched

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4 1:59 PMTo: vip...@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: The next generation of Speech Central has been launched Hello Listers, After reading the latest AppleVis entry about speech central, I'm puzzled. Having been a Voice Dream user since its initial launch, and following its changes and updates to the present, I'm really not convinced about Speech Central. It's so easy to load Voice Dream content, and PDF documents read well. My question is: What would make me even want to try any other program? I don't ask this question to invoke controversy, but to learn why some would prefer any other program over Voice Dream. If, at some point, another program is more efficient than Voice Dream, I'll certainly jump on that proverbial "band wagon". For now, I'm just wondering... and exploring. Thanks. +Peace & Blessings,Pastor Duane L. SteelePhone (276) 730-5194 On Jan 31, 2024, at 4:36 PM, Mary Otten <mott...@gmail.com> wrote:I have downloaded the update, but I have not yet downloaded any more books. I downloaded several recently, and after a lot of missing around and reporting to the developers, they all loaded. I still don’t know why, but now I have all these books and a couple of them I need to get read by the weekend for stuff. But I’m definitely going to try it. If it works, awesome. I am not at all excited about having to go through a big process to get books share books into an app. Thumbs down. Unless Voice Dream just turns into an absolute piece of junk, I’ll deal with it rather than have to deal with a convoluted process for just accessing books. In my opinion, that was not a good decision the developer of this app speech Central made. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 31, 2024, at 1:21 PM, Richard Turner <richard...@comcast.net> wrote:I just downloaded it to try and immediately found out that to install books from bookshare you have to download the DAISY file and import it because the developer decided that customers could download the ten books per month that way rather than him having to take the time to program for their interface ... BTW, did you try the update to VDR today to see if it fixed your download issue?  Sent from my iPad On Jan 31, 2024, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten <mott...@gmail.com> wrote:I just saw this on Apple viz.. Has anyone actually used this app? I had it on android and frankly couldn’t figure out how to use it or what it would be good for. But I’m not God’s gift to android that’s for sure. So I want to know if there are voice dream users out there using iPhones who have use this app. I’m not interested in hearing from the developer. I already saw his propaganda. I want real world users commenting. Thanks.The next generation of Speech Central has been launchedAppleVis | Empowering blind and low-vision users of Apple products ...  /  Labsii ForumiOS and iPadOSAs the app was in the beta testing for more than two months some people may already know what the new version is about.But during the beta period features were not publicly announced, that has happened for the first time just few days ago on the App Store.This isn't just another update. It isn't even another big update. And it is hard to provide the comparison, but if you take any of the competing apps and their cumulative updates in the last 5 years the shear size doesn't even come close to this.The full list improvements would require more than 1000 lines of text to tell. If we talk about new features, that would be still in hundreds of lines. Even major features are well above dozen of bullet lines.So I would like to focus on just one thing that reveals all the magic behind the effort - the new Emulate book narration mode. This feature brings quite a bit of the soul to robotic voices. Check this benchmark using the Apple's Ava Premium voice on the same text in Speech Central and Voice Dream: https://youtu.be/lCbr8HqXUCcAlso you can check the same for Microsoft Ema voice in Speech Central and NaturalReader: https://youtu.be/HRiDafir-NYRegarding the other features I'll just use the same list as I have used in the App Store:- Design overhaul that maximises the space for the text on iPhone and adds sidebar functionality to the iPad- Multiwindow/multidocument support on the iPad- Instant mode for quick and simple reading- Music Intermezzo - inject Apple Music into your listening- Improved accessibility- Improved sync - more comprehensive, robust and performant- Numerous new settings options- Siri voice command to start playing now works even behind the lock screenAs the app is free when used with VoiceOver, the best thing is to try it yourself: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/speech-central-ai-voice-reader/id1127349155Original Article: https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/next-generation-speech-central-has-been-launched Sent from my iPhone-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a 

Re: Voicedream not downloading book share books.

[Mary Otten]

Have you got the latest update? It came out a day or two ago, maybe three at the most. I can’t remember. That has definitely fixed my iPad problem, at least as of yesterday. I don’t know why the iPhone still isn’t syncing up, but they did say they were going to have more improvements coming next week. So I hope that does it.MarySent from my iPhoneOn Feb 2, 2024, at 9:43 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:If this is everything, then it is likely an issue with your phone. How much memory is free? Do you clear out the app switcher? Have you rebooted? Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Feb 2, 2024, at 9:38 PM, Arianna Sepulveda  wrote:Yep, I'm having this problem, too, but it's not limited to Bookshare for me, it's with absolutely everything, and it's driving me totally nuts! I only use an iPhone, so I can't comment on library synching issues. However, it either takes two downloads of something and then I have to fully-working coppies, or I have to keep downloading something and then I have like 4 or 5 copies, only to have only the last work actually be functional. This totally sucks!Thanks,AriOn Jan 26, 2024, at 10:52 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:I’m still having issues with Voice Dream downloading, saying it’s done, and stuff not being available. And then for whatever reason, it eventually becomes available. This was not the case before. I know I have a large library. But this is ridiculous. I thought they had fixed it. But now it’s just erratic as hell. I can pretty much count on downloading something on my iPad which is the fastest device I have, a mini six, it says it’s downloaded. I go there and they always say unavailable. And there’s a guessing game as to how I can magically make it become available. I don’t know who these folks are who took this over. But they’ve still got a problem. Before they add new features like new file types etc., I wish to God they would fix the problem they have with the basic download and hey this should be available right now, shouldn’t it? I’ve given up with my iPhone. I have a Voice Dream library on my iPhone and my iPad mini six. But the iPhone just doesn’t catch up ever. So I don’t open it ever. Stupid huh? I wish Winston had kept the app. These guys don’t know what they’re doing, or maybe they do, but then they should explain this stupid download problem. At least I’m not one of the poor suckers that has to keep paying for this app. I wouldn’t want to pay for it in the current state it’s in. Not as a newbie.  Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 26, 2024, at 5:17 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:After reading your message, I opened voice Dream Reader, and selected a book from bookshare and it downloaded in less than a minute.I would check your Bookshare settings and especially your internet connection.Do you have lots of apps open on your device?If so, close them out of the app switcher. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kerry MacdonaldSent: Friday, January 26, 2024 5:00 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Voicedream not downloading book share books. Hi, over the last week or so I have been noticing that every time I try to add a title to my book share library through Voice Dream Reeder I keep getting a continuous message that says “waiting“. I have closed down the app and reopened it again and still those books all just seem to be stuck there and it keeps saying waiting and they will not download. Any suggestions? Is anyone else experiencing this bug? Thanks in advance. This is very frustrating as I depend heavily on Book Share for Both pleasure reading and for professional items.   Kerry Sent from my iPhone-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/EBE6E50E-190D

Re: About Voice Dream Reader and downloading books

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I just downloaded a book with the latest Voice Dream reader, and I’m happy to report that it instantly appeared in my library on my iPad, just as it should. I have yet to try to sync my iPhone library, but I suppose that’s the next stop on this journey.MarySent from my iPhoneOn Feb 2, 2024, at 7:40 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:  Has anyone who had issues found any improvement in the update they released a few days ago?   Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400  



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Re: The next generation of Speech Central has been launched

[Mary Otten]

Ivan,Might it just be that the reason you had so few folks downloading stuff from bookshare is that it was so difficult? Not straightforward at all? Not at all like what we can get in Voice Dream reader or I believe also dolphin easy reader, which I don’t personally use but have looked at. For myself, by far the greatest use I have on my phone is Bhaṭṭa. Yes, I have imported E pubs and PDF files into Voice during reader, which is where I read all that stuff. And it helps to have the share thing off of the website where you’re getting the documents from. so if Bookshare doesn’t have that, they should, and I certainly wouldn’t mind asking them to implement it. However, it is disingenuous to suppose that your figures wouldn’t be a heck of a lot different if you actually had a straightforward means of importing things . Anything that adds unnecessary complexity to the process of getting a document from where it is to where you want to read it is a significant deterrent, especially when other much more efficient alternatives are available. That’s just how it is.directly from books like Voice dream has. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 31, 2024, at 1:36 PM, Ivan Icin  wrote:Richard,I am not sure if you misquote me intentionally or unintentionally.Either way, the correct fact is that I have supported Bookshare for 7 years. All of the users of the app together in December 2024 downloaded 10 books from Bookshare. Yes that is less of work to download those ten book for those 10 users ( than for me to write the support for Bookshare (and I would quickly remind you on your statements on how much support is expensive for one app that you love and how they need to charge immense amount for that).I am not sure how you can blame me for Speech Central users (including if you make the subgroup of VoiceOver users only) highly prefer to use PDFs, ePubs, web and almost everything else except books from Bookshare. I did spend my effort on non-profit basis for 7 years to support those people even if their volume of usage wasn't something that justified the support. I would imagine that this deserves some words like "thank you" or something similar. What exactly did I do wrong?Further I think that at the moment if someone is to be blamed it is Bookshare as they do allow downloads from the website, but don't implement the share function in their Reader app which would make importing into any app a piece of cake. No need for any app in this world to write the support for Bookshare as every app would support Bookshare.On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 10:21:59 PM UTC+1 Richard Turner wrote:I just downloaded it to try and immediately found out that to install books from bookshare you have to download the DAISY file and import it because the developer decided that customers could download the ten books per month that way rather than him having to take the time to program for their interface ... BTW, did you try the update to VDR today to see if it fixed your download issue? Sent from my iPadOn Jan 31, 2024, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten <mott...@gmail.com> wrote:I just saw this on Apple viz.. Has anyone actually used this app? I had it on android and frankly couldn’t figure out how to use it or what it would be good for. But I’m not God’s gift to android that’s for sure. So I want to know if there are voice dream users out there using iPhones who have use this app. I’m not interested in hearing from the developer. I already saw his propaganda. I want real world users commenting. Thanks.The next generation of Speech Central has been launchedAppleVis | Empowering blind and low-vision users of Apple products ...  /  Labsii




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As the app was in the beta testing for more than two months some people may already know what the new version is about.
But during the beta period features were not publicly announced, that has happened for the first time just few days ago on the App Store.
This isn't just another update. It isn't even another big update. And it is hard to provide the comparison, but if you take any of the competing apps and their cumulative updates in the last 5 years the shear size doesn't even come close to this.
The full list improvements would require more than 1000 lines of text to tell. If we talk about new features, that would be still in hundreds of lines. Even major features are well above dozen of bullet lines.
So I would like to focus on just one thing that reveals all the magic behind the effort - the new Emulate book narration mode. This feature brings quite a bit of the soul to robotic voices. Check this benchmark using the Apple's Ava Premium voice on the same text in Speech Central and Voice Dream: https://youtu.be/lCbr8HqXUCc
Also you can check the same for Microsoft Ema voice in Speech Central and NaturalReader: https://youtu.be/HRiDafir-NY
Regarding the other features I'll just use the same list as I have used in the App Store:
- Design overhaul that maximises the space for th

Re: The next generation of Speech Central has been launched

[Mary Otten]

I have downloaded the update, but I have not yet downloaded any more books. I downloaded several recently, and after a lot of missing around and reporting to the developers, they all loaded. I still don’t know why, but now I have all these books and a couple of them I need to get read by the weekend for stuff. But I’m definitely going to try it. If it works, awesome. I am not at all excited about having to go through a big process to get books share books into an app. Thumbs down. Unless Voice Dream just turns into an absolute piece of junk, I’ll deal with it rather than have to deal with a convoluted process for just accessing books. In my opinion, that was not a good decision the developer of this app speech Central made. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 31, 2024, at 1:21 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I just downloaded it to try and immediately found out that to install books from bookshare you have to download the DAISY file and import it because the developer decided that customers could download the ten books per month that way rather than him having to take the time to program for their interface ... BTW, did you try the update to VDR today to see if it fixed your download issue? Sent from my iPadOn Jan 31, 2024, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:I just saw this on Apple viz.. Has anyone actually used this app? I had it on android and frankly couldn’t figure out how to use it or what it would be good for. But I’m not God’s gift to android that’s for sure. So I want to know if there are voice dream users out there using iPhones who have use this app. I’m not interested in hearing from the developer. I already saw his propaganda. I want real world users commenting. Thanks.The next generation of Speech Central has been launchedAppleVis | Empowering blind and low-vision users of Apple products ...  /  Labsii




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As the app was in the beta testing for more than two months some people may already know what the new version is about.
But during the beta period features were not publicly announced, that has happened for the first time just few days ago on the App Store.
This isn't just another update. It isn't even another big update. And it is hard to provide the comparison, but if you take any of the competing apps and their cumulative updates in the last 5 years the shear size doesn't even come close to this.
The full list improvements would require more than 1000 lines of text to tell. If we talk about new features, that would be still in hundreds of lines. Even major features are well above dozen of bullet lines.
So I would like to focus on just one thing that reveals all the magic behind the effort - the new Emulate book narration mode. This feature brings quite a bit of the soul to robotic voices. Check this benchmark using the Apple's Ava Premium voice on the same text in Speech Central and Voice Dream: https://youtu.be/lCbr8HqXUCc
Also you can check the same for Microsoft Ema voice in Speech Central and NaturalReader: https://youtu.be/HRiDafir-NY
Regarding the other features I'll just use the same list as I have used in the App Store:
- Design overhaul that maximises the space for the text on iPhone and adds sidebar functionality to the iPad
- Multiwindow/multidocument support on the iPad
- Instant mode for quick and simple reading
- Music Intermezzo - inject Apple Music into your listening
- Improved accessibility
- Improved sync - more comprehensive, robust and performant
- Numerous new settings options
- Siri voice command to start playing now works even behind the lock screen
As the app is free when used with VoiceOver, the best thing is to try it yourself: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/speech-central-ai-voice-reader/id1127349155







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The next generation of Speech Central has been launched

[Mary Otten]

I just saw this on Apple viz.. Has anyone actually used this app? I had it on 
android and frankly couldn’t figure out how to use it or what it would be good 
for. But I’m not God’s gift to android that’s for sure. So I want to know if 
there are voice dream users out there using iPhones who have use this app. I’m 
not interested in hearing from the developer. I already saw his propaganda. I 
want real world users commenting. Thanks.
The next generation of Speech Central has been launched
AppleVis | Empowering blind and low-vision users of Apple products ...  /  
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iOS and iPadOS
As the app was in the beta testing for more than two months some people may 
already know what the new version is about.

But during the beta period features were not publicly announced, that has 
happened for the first time just few days ago on the App Store.

This isn't just another update. It isn't even another big update. And it is 
hard to provide the comparison, but if you take any of the competing apps and 
their cumulative updates in the last 5 years the shear size doesn't even come 
close to this.

The full list improvements would require more than 1000 lines of text to tell. 
If we talk about new features, that would be still in hundreds of lines. Even 
major features are well above dozen of bullet lines.

So I would like to focus on just one thing that reveals all the magic behind 
the effort - the new Emulate book narration mode. This feature brings quite a 
bit of the soul to robotic voices. Check this benchmark using the Apple's Ava 
Premium voice on the same text in Speech Central and Voice Dream: 
https://youtu.be/lCbr8HqXUCc

Also you can check the same for Microsoft Ema voice in Speech Central and 
NaturalReader: https://youtu.be/HRiDafir-NY

Regarding the other features I'll just use the same list as I have used in the 
App Store:
- Design overhaul that maximises the space for the text on iPhone and adds 
sidebar functionality to the iPad
- Multiwindow/multidocument support on the iPad
- Instant mode for quick and simple reading
- Music Intermezzo - inject Apple Music into your listening
- Improved accessibility
- Improved sync - more comprehensive, robust and performant
- Numerous new settings options
- Siri voice command to start playing now works even behind the lock screen

As the app is free when used with VoiceOver, the best thing is to try it 
yourself: 
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/speech-central-ai-voice-reader/id1127349155



Original Article: 
https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/next-generation-speech-central-has-been-launched


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Re: Voicedream not downloading book share books.

[Mary Otten]

I don’t download large audio files. I do have a few MP threes, but nothing like 
that has been downloaded by me in a very long time. So, these are books from 
bookshare. So I expect that when it says download complete, it’s there. So they 
need to fix it. I thought they had it fixed after an update a few months ago. 
But it didn’t last.
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> On Jan 26, 2024, at 9:04 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> I have a very large voice dream library as well.  I don't usually have
> any problems when stuff says download complete.  However, if these
> files are large ones, like my audio dramas, even though I know the
> file is completely downloaded, I have to wait a couple minutes or so,
> for the file to kind of process and become available.  If I don't,
> I'll hear unavailable and the name of my zipped file.  I'm talking
> about audio dramas, that are 3 or more gigs in size.  Voice dream
> reader is great.  I use it all the time.  Bookshare downloads work
> very well, and having a great selection of text to speech voices is
> very nice
> 
>> On 1/26/24, 'john riehl' via VIPhone  wrote:
>> Yes; I don’t understand why you should have trouble even if you have a large
>> library.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary
>> Otten
>> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 10:57 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Voicedream not downloading book share books.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It may well be because I have a big Voice Dream library. But if it says
>> download complete, which it always does, I feel like I should be able to go
>> into my library and see it’s there. Not unavailable. Why is it unavailable?
>> And why God‘s name, since I have iCloud Sync enabled on both of my devices,
>> why doesn’t that work? I don’t even open it on my phone anymore because
>> there’s so many books that I’ve downloaded to my iPad that I know absolutely
>> if I open my phone there’s going to be a massive problem. So I suppose I
>> should just not have my phone answering with iCloud anymore. But then what
>> do I do when I finally get a new phone  Probably next year? I just wish
>> these people would get into the guts of this thing and fix it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 26, 2024, at 7:53 PM, 'john riehl' via VIPhone
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Wow!! That sucks!!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I haven’t had that problem.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 10:52 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Voicedream not downloading book share books.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I’m still having issues with Voice Dream downloading, saying it’s done, and
>> stuff not being available. And then for whatever reason, it eventually
>> becomes available. This was not the case before. I know I have a large
>> library. But this is ridiculous. I thought they had fixed it. But now it’s
>> just erratic as hell. I can pretty much count on downloading something on my
>> iPad which is the fastest device I have, a mini six, it says it’s
>> downloaded. I go there and they always say unavailable. And there’s a
>> guessing game as to how I can magically make it become available. I don’t
>> know who these folks are who took this over. But they’ve still got a
>> problem. Before they add new features like new file types etc., I wish to
>> God they would fix the problem they have with the basic download and hey
>> this should be available right now, shouldn’t it? I’ve given up with my
>> iPhone. I have a Voice Dream library on my iPhone and my iPad mini six. But
>> the iPhone just doesn’t catch up ever. So I don’t open it ever. Stupid huh?
>> I wish Winston had kept the app. These guys don’t know what they’re doing,
>> or maybe they do, but then they should explain this stupid download problem.
>> At least I’m not one of the poor suckers that has to keep paying for this
>> app. I wouldn’t want to pay for it in the current state it’s in. Not as a
>> newbie.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 26, 2024, at 5:17 PM, Richard Turner > <mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> After reading your message, I opened voice Dream Reader, and selected a book
>> from bookshare and it downloaded

Re: Voicedream not downloading book share books.

[Mary Otten]

It may well be because I have a big Voice Dream library. But if it says download complete, which it always does, I feel like I should be able to go into my library and see it’s there. Not unavailable. Why is it unavailable? And why God‘s name, since I have iCloud Sync enabled on both of my devices, why doesn’t that work? I don’t even open it on my phone anymore because there’s so many books that I’ve downloaded to my iPad that I know absolutely if I open my phone there’s going to be a massive problem. So I suppose I should just not have my phone answering with iCloud anymore. But then what do I do when I finally get a new phone  Probably next year? I just wish these people would get into the guts of this thing and fix it. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 26, 2024, at 7:53 PM, 'john riehl' via VIPhone  wrote:Wow!! That sucks!! I haven’t had that problem.  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary OttenSent: Friday, January 26, 2024 10:52 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Voicedream not downloading book share books. I’m still having issues with Voice Dream downloading, saying it’s done, and stuff not being available. And then for whatever reason, it eventually becomes available. This was not the case before. I know I have a large library. But this is ridiculous. I thought they had fixed it. But now it’s just erratic as hell. I can pretty much count on downloading something on my iPad which is the fastest device I have, a mini six, it says it’s downloaded. I go there and they always say unavailable. And there’s a guessing game as to how I can magically make it become available. I don’t know who these folks are who took this over. But they’ve still got a problem. Before they add new features like new file types etc., I wish to God they would fix the problem they have with the basic download and hey this should be available right now, shouldn’t it? I’ve given up with my iPhone. I have a Voice Dream library on my iPhone and my iPad mini six. But the iPhone just doesn’t catch up ever. So I don’t open it ever. Stupid huh? I wish Winston had kept the app. These guys don’t know what they’re doing, or maybe they do, but then they should explain this stupid download problem. At least I’m not one of the poor suckers that has to keep paying for this app. I wouldn’t want to pay for it in the current state it’s in. Not as a newbie.  Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 26, 2024, at 5:17 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:After reading your message, I opened voice Dream Reader, and selected a book from bookshare and it downloaded in less than a minute.I would check your Bookshare settings and especially your internet connection.Do you have lots of apps open on your device?If so, close them out of the app switcher. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kerry MacdonaldSent: Friday, January 26, 2024 5:00 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Voicedream not downloading book share books. Hi, over the last week or so I have been noticing that every time I try to add a title to my book share library through Voice Dream Reeder I keep getting a continuous message that says “waiting“. I have closed down the app and reopened it again and still those books all just seem to be stuck there and it keeps saying waiting and they will not download. Any suggestions? Is anyone else experiencing this bug? Thanks in advance. This is very frustrating as I depend heavily on Book Share for Both pleasure reading and for professional items.   Kerry Sent from my iPhone-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/EBE6E50E-190D-4407-9676-90D57F8669E4%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 

Re: Voicedream not downloading book share books.

[Mary Otten]

I’m still having issues with Voice Dream downloading, saying it’s done, and stuff not being available. And then for whatever reason, it eventually becomes available. This was not the case before. I know I have a large library. But this is ridiculous. I thought they had fixed it. But now it’s just erratic as hell. I can pretty much count on downloading something on my iPad which is the fastest device I have, a mini six, it says it’s downloaded. I go there and they always say unavailable. And there’s a guessing game as to how I can magically make it become available. I don’t know who these folks are who took this over. But they’ve still got a problem. Before they add new features like new file types etc., I wish to God they would fix the problem they have with the basic download and hey this should be available right now, shouldn’t it? I’ve given up with my iPhone. I have a Voice Dream library on my iPhone and my iPad mini six. But the iPhone just doesn’t catch up ever. So I don’t open it ever. Stupid huh? I wish Winston had kept the app. These guys don’t know what they’re doing, or maybe they do, but then they should explain this stupid download problem. At least I’m not one of the poor suckers that has to keep paying for this app. I wouldn’t want to pay for it in the current state it’s in. Not as a newbie.  Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 26, 2024, at 5:17 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:After reading your message, I opened voice Dream Reader, and selected a book from bookshare and it downloaded in less than a minute.I would check your Bookshare settings and especially your internet connection.Do you have lots of apps open on your device?If so, close them out of the app switcher. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kerry MacdonaldSent: Friday, January 26, 2024 5:00 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Voicedream not downloading book share books. Hi, over the last week or so I have been noticing that every time I try to add a title to my book share library through Voice Dream Reeder I keep getting a continuous message that says “waiting“. I have closed down the app and reopened it again and still those books all just seem to be stuck there and it keeps saying waiting and they will not download. Any suggestions? Is anyone else experiencing this bug? Thanks in advance. This is very frustrating as I depend heavily on Book Share for Both pleasure reading and for professional items.   Kerry Sent from my iPhone-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/EBE6E50E-190D-4407-9676-90D57F8669E4%40gmail.com.



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Keychain questions

[Mary Otten]

Xfinity made me change the password because of their stupid security breach I 
guess. I absolutely had to do it or I was not allowed to login into their 
website. Once there, I had to change the password and I was using my iPhone. I 
let Apple set up a password through keychain. It’s a strong password with 15 
random letters. First question: is it actually possible to see the password in 
keychain? I follow the directions going to settings and then passwords etc. but 
once you  get to the one you want, you can’t actually “view the password “which 
is what Apple says you can do. All I see are 15 bullets. This means that when I 
want to use my PC, I can’t. I thought there would be a way once you’re logged 
in and behind all those security things that Apple puts up, you could actually 
read the random password letters just in case you have a non-apple product that 
you need to login with. It kind of render keychain worthless. Plus now I can’t 
send my email on my PC. To say I’m mad is to understate the situation by a lot. 

If it is really not possible to physically see the letters that you need to see 
in order to use that password on a non-apple product, then what’s the solution? 
There is an option to “forget password“ so I could do that. But then I have no 
way of getting into the account. Mary

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Re: Audio description on Hulu through Apple TV app on the iPad

[Mary Otten]

As it happens, when I looked this film that I was interested up on the big 
master list that ACB provides, Hulu doesn’t have audio description, a perfect 
illustration of your point, Chris. So I can pay for it on Amazon or watch it 
for free well almost free, on Hulu without a D. How nice. How absurd!
Mary

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> On Dec 20, 2023, at 5:14 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> 
> 
> That is the frustrating thing about audio description.  Just because 
> something is described with one streaming service does not mean that it will 
> be described with another.  I myself think this should be changed.
> 
> The problem is with the licensing of the audio description.  It seems that 
> the audio description is licensed separately than the movie or show itself. 
> So a streaming service might be licensed to show the movie or tv show, but 
> not licensed to include the audio description.
> 
> I think the audio description and its movie or tv show should come as one 
> package.  If you license the movie or tv show, the audio description should 
> automatically be included.  The same thing goes for something shown live with 
> audio description, but then offered to watch on demand without audio 
> description.  So again, something really needs to be done about audio 
> description and how its distributed.
> 
> Chris Chaffin
> 
> 
>> On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:04 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, for whatever reason, the movie I was interested in or should I say 
>> documentary, is not audio described on Hulu. It is on Amazon supposedly if 
>> you pay for it. But on Hulu, no audio description. Why the heck not?
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Dec 19, 2023, at 10:43 AM, David Grossoehme  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is being discussed on another list of blind people.  You can 
>>> subscribe to the list by sending a message to 
>>> adp-list+subscr...@acblists.org, which is a low traffic list. This list 
>>> consist of many blind users and audio description who watch tv by phone, tv 
>>> or computer.  There are many of us that can help.  However, Disney Plus is 
>>> combining Hulu Streaming with Disney Plus Streaming.  It maybe March before 
>>> people who have subscriptions with them, to know what is going to happen.  
>>> This list has a web link you can go to to see all described audio shows on 
>>> tv, and which network they are on with Audio Description.  Good luck.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 12/19/2023 1:20 PM, Anna Dresner wrote:
>>>> HI Mary,
>>>> 
>>>> Have you tried the Hulu app? It might be easier in an app where you're 
>>>> accessing Hulu directly.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Anna
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:35 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have recently subscribed to Hulu with ads for a year for a dollar a 
>>>>> month. I want to watch the movie zero days, which is listed as having 
>>>>> audio description, at least on Amazon prime, where I would have to pay 
>>>>> for it or rent it. I have Hulu connected to the Apple TV app on my iPad. 
>>>>> I want to know how to turn on audio description in this format. I can’t 
>>>>> find it anywhere. According to Amazon, AD is available, at least through 
>>>>> prime. But I want it on Hulu. Any ideas?
>>>>> Mary
>>>>> 
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Re: Audio description on Hulu through Apple TV app on the iPad

[Mary Otten]

Well, for whatever reason, the movie I was interested in or should I say 
documentary, is not audio described on Hulu. It is on Amazon supposedly if you 
pay for it. But on Hulu, no audio description. Why the heck not?
Mary

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> On Dec 19, 2023, at 10:43 AM, David Grossoehme  wrote:
> 
> This is being discussed on another list of blind people.  You can subscribe 
> to the list by sending a message to adp-list+subscr...@acblists.org, which is 
> a low traffic list. This list consist of many blind users and audio 
> description who watch tv by phone, tv or computer.  There are many of us that 
> can help.  However, Disney Plus is combining Hulu Streaming with Disney Plus 
> Streaming.  It maybe March before people who have subscriptions with them, to 
> know what is going to happen.  This list has a web link you can go to to see 
> all described audio shows on tv, and which network they are on with Audio 
> Description.  Good luck.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
>> On 12/19/2023 1:20 PM, Anna Dresner wrote:
>> HI Mary,
>> 
>> Have you tried the Hulu app? It might be easier in an app where you're 
>> accessing Hulu directly.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:35 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have recently subscribed to Hulu with ads for a year for a dollar a 
>>> month. I want to watch the movie zero days, which is listed as having audio 
>>> description, at least on Amazon prime, where I would have to pay for it or 
>>> rent it. I have Hulu connected to the Apple TV app on my iPad. I want to 
>>> know how to turn on audio description in this format. I can’t find it 
>>> anywhere. According to Amazon, AD is available, at least through prime. But 
>>> I want it on Hulu. Any ideas?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Audio description on Hulu through Apple TV app on the iPad

[Mary Otten]

I have recently subscribed to Hulu with ads for a year for a dollar a month. I 
want to watch the movie zero days, which is listed as having audio description, 
at least on Amazon prime, where I would have to pay for it or rent it. I have 
Hulu connected to the Apple TV app on my iPad. I want to know how to turn on 
audio description in this format. I can’t find it anywhere. According to 
Amazon, AD is available, at least through prime. But I want it on Hulu. Any 
ideas?
Mary

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Re: Sirius XM support is less than helpful

[Mary Otten]

You know, well I suppose this is totally not realistic, I do wish Apple would put pressure on companies like SiriusXM, which had a really crappy app that sort of got better overtime until now. This is an audio centric app. They have to know that blind people use audio centric apps. It be nice if Apple would require audio centric apps to have all of their stuff labeled accessibly? I know it will never happen. But it should. I’m not asking for every app in the App Store to be fully accessible. But something like SiriusXM with a clearly audio centered thing, that should be made to be fully accessible to voiceover in order to get onto the App Store . I’m sorry, but this is crap! Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 14, 2023, at 4:28 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:When I called Sirius XM earlier today about the ton of unlabeled buttons, the person put me on hold to check. When she came back she said they removed all the labels for everyone. I just had my wife look at the screen. The buttons are clearly labeled for sighted folks. With StarplayrX broken, I will use the search feature to find what I want in Sirius until I decide it is no longer worth it. If anyone else wants to call them, their number is: (800) 689-6881Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ 



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Re: Sirius XM support is less than helpful

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I am not surprised, richard. I have found that the SiriusXM Customer Service “is not. They’re awful. At least they have been. I have had many discussions with them over the years. And mostly they were a pain in the backside. I hope they fix the damned app.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 14, 2023, at 4:28 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:When I called Sirius XM earlier today about the ton of unlabeled buttons, the person put me on hold to check. When she came back she said they removed all the labels for everyone. I just had my wife look at the screen. The buttons are clearly labeled for sighted folks. With StarplayrX broken, I will use the search feature to find what I want in Sirius until I decide it is no longer worth it. If anyone else wants to call them, their number is: (800) 689-6881Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ 



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Why aren’t messages deleted if I deleted on one device?

[Mary Otten]

I get text messages, and I have an Apple Watch and an iPhone. If I delete 
something on my iPhone, it will even say this will be deleted on all of your 
devices, but it isn’t. And I don’t think the watch actually says things will be 
deleted on all my devices, but why not? And this could also apply to 
notifications. If I have notifications on my screen and I delete them all from 
the lock screen, why do I have to continue to do that when I go into 
notifications? I don’t want to keep deleting and deleting and deleting the same 
darn thing on multiple devices in multiple places. What am I missing? I want 
them gone everywhere if I deleted once. Is that too much to ask or am I missing 
something?
Mary

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Re: How to get rid of somebody’s email address that is no longer valid

[Mary Otten]

Thanks. After posting, I actually found that. You can just flick up on the 
address to delete and it deletes. Actions are available I guess. Felt pretty 
stupid.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 13, 2023, at 3:09 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> Go into your email and type the first part of his name. Hit the down arrow 
> to move down through the list of suggestions and hit the delete key on the 
> address you want to remove from your recents list.
> 
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> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 4:38 PM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: How to get rid of somebody’s email address that is no longer valid
> 
> I want to delete an email address that belonged to my husband. He changed it 
> to something different. I changed it in the contact I have for him on the 
> phone. But when I go into email and type the first part of his name, that old 
> address still shows up. I know there’s a way to get rid of it. I don’t 
> remember, and I have looked through the Mail settings and found nothing that 
> looked like what I wanted. Any ideas out there?
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Haptic time

[Mary Otten]

I just tried that three taps instead of two, and I got voiceover telling me the 
time that it was 240. Not what I wanted.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 13, 2023, at 10:26 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> It works fairly reliably for me, but like I said, I do a three finger tap to 
> get the time and a four finger tap to get the minutes. I don't know why I 
> need three and four taps while others can use two and three taps. I find I 
> also need the screen to be off, so if I'm not sure, I'll lift my wrist a bit 
> and then drop it back down before tapping my phone. I'd also suggest 
> practicing a bit. It took me a while to get down the pace of my tapping, for 
> example, I tap a bit slower when getting my time hapticly then I do when I 
> tap on an object on the screen.
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 10:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Haptic time
> 
> I just also discovered that 3 one finger taps gets me the hour and minute in 
> haptic time and 4 taps get the minutes...
> I had very mixed success with 2 taps lately, so I'm guessing this is in one 
> of the recent updates.
> I'm currently running 10.1.1 I haven't updated to 10.2 I guess...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> "Grandma always told us, "Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it."
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
> 
> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 
> 2024.2310.70.400
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Haptic time
> 
> 
> 
> Christopher,
> 
> Fighting this haptic thing is making me hate the watch.
> 
> But being deaf I can't afford to not have it.
> 
> Smile.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 05:05
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Haptic time
> 
> I've had to use three taps to get the time and four taps to get just the 
> minutes for quite a while now. Not sure when it started, and not sure if this 
> is true for anyone else.
> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Parham 
> Doustdar
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 3:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Haptic time
> 
> Hi,
> Haptic time doesn't need speech, that's the main point. However, I've noticed 
> that with one of the WatchOS updates, double-tapping the screen doesn't work 
> well. So, what I often do is tap the screen 3 times. Sometimes it gives me 
> just the minutes, but often it gives me the hour and minutes.
> Hope that helps.
> 
>> On 13 Dec 2023, at 09:47, Fanus  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello list
>> 
>> I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of 
>> VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night 
>> without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand gesture 
>> settings?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Fanus
>> 
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How to get rid of somebody’s email address that is no longer valid

[Mary Otten]

I want to delete an email address that belonged to my husband. He changed it to 
something different. I changed it in the contact I have for him on the phone. 
But when I go into email and type the first part of his name, that old address 
still shows up. I know there’s a way to get rid of it. I don’t remember, and I 
have looked through the Mail settings and found nothing that looked like what I 
wanted. Any ideas out there? 
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Re: Haptic time

[Mary Otten]

This used to work reasonably reliably for me as Jen has described. However, it has been totally worthless for several months, after an upgrade I think to the previous iOS, I should say watchOS. I have it set to on, but whenever I do that double tap I always get speech which I don’t want. But I don’t want to turn speech completely off either. It used to work fine, and I have reported it to Apple to no avail.MarySent from my iPhoneOn Dec 13, 2023, at 5:07 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:Hi,I know a lot of people have troubles with this, but I don’t. What i do is tap the watch twice with 1 finger while it is asleep, and it will vibrate the time to me. The long vibrations are for tens of minutes or hours, and the short ones are for 1 through 9. It does work.Jenn
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Apple will finally let you change your iPhone’s default notification sound

[Mary Otten]

Apple will finally let you change your iPhone’s default notification sound
Macworld


If you don’t like the default notification sound on your iPhone, tough luck. 
Apple hasn’t provided any means of changing it going back as far as we can 
remember–the iPhone’s ascending three-note sound has become somewhat synonymous 
with smartphone notifications.

Of course, Apple has always let you change the notification sound for certain 
apps such as Messages Mail and even sometimes for specific types of 
notifications (like your Ring doorbell), but if it doesn’t, you get what Apple 
gives you which, until iOS 17 was called Tri-tone. When iOS 17 launched, Apple 
updated a bunch of tones and sounds, changing the default alert from Tri-tone 
to Rebound. It’s a less harsh sound, but some complain it’s also less 
noticeable and perhaps quieter, and they want to go back. Until now, they 
couldn’t.

With iOS 17.2, Apple’s going to do you one better: Not only can you restore the 
sound to Tri-tone, you can finally change the default notification sound and 
haptics to whatever you want.

First spotted in iOS 17.2 beta 4, all you have to do is open the Settings app, 
tap Sound & Haptics, and look for the new Default Alerts setting. Tap that and 
you can restore the notification sound to Tri-tone (you’ll find that within 
Classic), or use any other alert sound you wish. You can also change the 
haptics for your default sound.

It’s an overdue change, to say the least. Couples everywhere will no longer 
need to ask “Was that my phone or yours?” when an alert comes in. Thank you, 
Apple.

Author: Jason Cross, Senior Editor


I have written about technology for my entire professional life - over 25 
years. I enjoy learning about how complicated technology works and explaining 
it in a way anyone can understand.

Recent stories by Jason Cross:

Pay no attention to the police–NameDrop is perfectly safe for kids
We may have seen the last of Sunbird’s iMessage-on-Android service
Nothing’s iMessage app for Android is an instant disaster


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Re: Question about the Vesync app

[Mary Otten]

Sorry, richard. I don’t know the inner dimensions of the pan yet. Can’t find it 
anywhere online, and I forgot to ask my sided spouse, but I shall do so later 
today. Also, and I guess this is really getting off-topic, since it’s not a 
technical question. What the heck is the point of this big pan/basket if you’re 
only supposed to put food in one layer? I get how you could do a chicken, a 
whole big piece of meat whatever.but is it really true that even with the two 
burners you should only put one layer? The pan is substantially smaller than a 
sheet pan, so a whole bunch of chicken wings for instance, which they say you 
can do, how? You probably couldn’t put more than maybe four big chicken wings 
in that basket in one layer. That’s a far cry from I think 17 that they 
advertised. I don’t get it.
Mary
 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 22, 2023, at 6:45 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Good to know Rick.
> We probably should get that one, as ours is one of the recalled models, but 
> it has been working fine but we know we are using it at our own risk.  My 
> wife cannot imagine being without one for 6 weeks or more if we go through 
> the replacement process by cutting the cord and submitting a picture and 
> waiting until they send us a replacement, which likely would not be the 2 
> burner model...
> Christmas is coming. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rick 
> Alfaro
> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 12:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Question about the Vesync app
> 
> Hi Richard. I have the same model and have noticed where the second bottom 
> element makes a huge difference is in the fact that you don't have to turn 
> stuff over. For example, we just made a batch of mini eggrolls and they came 
> out perfectly cooked and crispy all the way around. They honestly seemed like 
> they had been deep fried. They were delicious and better in this air fryer 
> than in any other we have had. I really didn't notice that much difference in 
> cooking time however. Everything seems to cook more evenly.
> 
> 
> 
> Warmest regards,
> 
> Rick Alfaro
> rick.alf...@gmail.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 12:08 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Question about the Vesync app
> 
> That is interesting about the cook time.  I wonder what the point is of 
> having two burners then...
> I'll be interested to hear how it goes when you cook something.
> 
> BTW, any news about the inside measurements of the basket?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
> 
> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 
> 2024.2310.70.400
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 9:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Vesync app
> 
> Hi richard,
> Yes. I get that. I actually tried both, the thing for new page which would be 
> the three finger scroll up in portrait mode. Or I also tried the side to side 
> with three fingers but didn’t get anything. I’ll try it again. They do say 
> that the cooking time is not cut in half. And then people disagree as to 
> whether it makes any difference at all, or maybe it cuts down by a little 
> bit. That’s kind of why I was interested in their specific recipes to perhaps 
> compare with regular recipes that don’t expect two burners. 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2023, at 8:46 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> To be clear, the three finger swipe needs to be done with your fingers turn 
>> sideways as if you had the phone landscaped, only leave it portrait and 
>> swipe left to right, or right to left to turn pages like in a book rather 
>> than scrolling up or down.
>> 
>> My assumption about the cook time is that it would be half of a recipe for 
>> single burner models since you do not need to turn the food over.
>> You may want to call Cosori and a

Re: Question about the Vesync app

[Mary Otten]

Hi richard,
Yes. I get that. I actually tried both, the thing for new page which would be 
the three finger scroll up in portrait mode. Or I also tried the side to side 
with three fingers but didn’t get anything. I’ll try it again. They do say that 
the cooking time is not cut in half. And then people disagree as to whether it 
makes any difference at all, or maybe it cuts down by a little bit. That’s kind 
of why I was interested in their specific recipes to perhaps compare with 
regular recipes that don’t expect two burners. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 21, 2023, at 8:46 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> To be clear, the three finger swipe needs to be done with your fingers turn 
> sideways as if you had the phone landscaped, only leave it portrait and swipe 
> left to right, or right to left to turn pages like in a book rather than 
> scrolling up or down.
> 
> My assumption about the cook time is that it would be half of a recipe for 
> single burner models since you do not need to turn the food over.
> You may want to call Cosori and ask.  Their phone support is usually very 
> good.
> But it makes sense to me that if it is cooking from top and bottom a whole 
> chicken would cook in 30 to 35 minutes instead of twice that.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
> 
> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715),
> JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 8:23 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Vesync app
> 
> Thanks, richard. I actually had tried the three finger swipe because I 
> thought that would scroll, and I didn’t see anything. I guess I’ll give it 
> another shot. The thing that appeals to me about the app recipes is that it 
> is claimed they are made specifically for this model of air fryer, which has 
> a burner both on top and bottom. So I’m wondering about how the time might 
> change for an ordinary recipe where they expect only one burner.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2023, at 7:5 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don
>> T use the app hardly at all.
>> I just looked and the only thing I found is after double tapping on entrees  
>> I get a few more by swiping left to right with three fingers.
>> For us, we do better searching on the web for air fryer recipes for specific 
>> dishes.
>> But the app could use a lot of work for Voiceover users.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
>> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
>> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>> 
>> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS
>> version 2024.2310.70.400
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 7:42 AM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Question about the Vesync app
>> 
>> I recently purchased a cosori air fryer, the model pro three dual blaze. It 
>> sinks up with an app called Vesync. Among other things, this app has a whole 
>> bunch of recipes in it supposedly specifically designed for this particular 
>> air fryer. I can access the recipes to start with, but there are a lot more 
>> in here in each of the six categories that I can access. For instance, in 
>> the entrées category, you can swipe past several recipes, and then you get 
>> to the next category. However, there are a lot more that I can’t see. I 
>> cannot figure out a way to scroll this list. on my android device, the list 
>> scrolls automatically and I can seemingly read them all. I just don’t know. 
>> Is this a bug, or am I just not understanding something about voiceover?
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Question about the Vesync app

[Mary Otten]

Thanks, richard. I actually had tried the three finger swipe because I thought 
that would scroll, and I didn’t see anything. I guess I’ll give it another 
shot. The thing that appeals to me about the app recipes is that it is claimed 
they are made specifically for this model of air fryer, which has a burner both 
on top and bottom. So I’m wondering about how the time might change for an 
ordinary recipe where they expect only one burner.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 21, 2023, at 7:54 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I don
> T use the app hardly at all.
> I just looked and the only thing I found is after double tapping on entrees  
> I get a few more by swiping left to right with three fingers.
> For us, we do better searching on the web for air fryer recipes for specific 
> dishes.
> But the app could use a lot of work for Voiceover users.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
> 
> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715),
> JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 7:42 AM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: Question about the Vesync app
> 
> I recently purchased a cosori air fryer, the model pro three dual blaze. It 
> sinks up with an app called Vesync. Among other things, this app has a whole 
> bunch of recipes in it supposedly specifically designed for this particular 
> air fryer. I can access the recipes to start with, but there are a lot more 
> in here in each of the six categories that I can access. For instance, in the 
> entrées category, you can swipe past several recipes, and then you get to the 
> next category. However, there are a lot more that I can’t see. I cannot 
> figure out a way to scroll this list. on my android device, the list scrolls 
> automatically and I can seemingly read them all. I just don’t know. Is this a 
> bug, or am I just not understanding something about voiceover?
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Question about the Vesync app

[Mary Otten]

I recently purchased a cosori air fryer, the model pro three dual blaze. It 
sinks up with an app called Vesync. Among other things, this app has a whole 
bunch of recipes in it supposedly specifically designed for this particular air 
fryer. I can access the recipes to start with, but there are a lot more in here 
in each of the six categories that I can access. For instance, in the entrées 
category, you can swipe past several recipes, and then you get to the next 
category. However, there are a lot more that I can’t see. I cannot figure out a 
way to scroll this list. on my android device, the list scrolls automatically 
and I can seemingly read them all. I just don’t know. Is this a bug, or am I 
just not understanding something about voiceover?
Mary

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Re: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

[Mary Otten]

John has hit the nail exactly on the head. I don’t want some anonymous AI 
programmed by God knows who with whatever dark algorithm that nobody knows 
about telling me what’s there and making subjective judgments about it. It’s 
just a bad idea. And there are plenty of examples in the news where there are 
misunderstandings across cultural and racial lines, and people have been killed 
for it. That black person was angry. They were threatening. Boom! Dead person. 
It’s just wrong. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 14, 2023, at 4:43 PM, realman02 via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> My point -- and then I'll let this go and not comment -- is that I do not 
> want a machine large language model providing me with subjective opinions 
> about people, their expressions, etc. I think that should be reserved for 
> human to human interaction. Who knows if the description is accurate? Who 
> knows what criteria the AI program used to generate its description?
> John Riehl
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 7:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
> 
> Only, that is not a complete description. Like it or not, all of us have 
> facial expression, and that is a part of what we look like. Of course, 
> expressions vary, but they are a part of a person's face.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: realman02 via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 5:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
> 
> This is how I would rephrase the description:
> 
>> The man in the picture has a fair complexion. His hair is short and appears 
>> to be a mix of gray and black, and he has a full head of hair. His eyes are 
>> partially closed.
> His nose is prominent and he has full lips. He is wearing a dark-colored polo 
> shirt with a collar. The shirt has a small embroidery on the right side of 
> his chest that reads "Samuel Smith" in a cursive font with gold thread.
> 
> John
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 11:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
> 
> I agree with Sieghard. My guess, and this is only a guess is that the ones of 
> us who have had some or full sight are more willing to hear what Be My A I 
> might say about our expression.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 9:05 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
> 
> I would agree with Sieghard, but I suspect what Mary and others are getting 
> at is not what they choose to use or not but what others are using and how 
> that might affect how they interpret the world based on those AI generated 
> descriptions. As Mary says though, anytime you're getting a description from 
> another source, even if it's a sighted person, it isn't going to be free of 
> interpretation.
> 
> Reminds me of a friend of mine in college who was helping me pick out a 
> greeting card. She told me she would just describe the card to me and 
> wouldn't be subjective at all. Later on she described a card as "yucky 
> yellow." We had a good laugh over that, but I didn't get that card.
> 
> For those who don't want any kind of interpretation of a description coming 
> from an AI, I wonder what they would consider an acceptable description. I'd 
> find it interesting if someone took a response from Be My AI and then 
> sterilized it into what they would find acceptable. I'm guessing that the 
> more sterile descriptions wouldn't be nearly as popular and most people find 
> the interpretation of the image as one of the more interesting parts of the 
> description.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 10:13 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
> 
> Anybody who does not like or agree with some of the interpretations of the AI 
> is free not to use the service.
> Just as you may not appreciate it, I have so far felt that even descriptions 
> which included descriptions of facial expressions were actually amazingly 
> correct when I asked sighted people to tell me what they thought of the 
> desdcription and whether they agtreed that the interpretation was good or not.
>

Re: xm radio app

[Mary Otten]

Supposedly, to go along with the redesign of SiriusXM itself, adding more 
channels and more “star power”, there is going to be a redesigned app. 
Hopefully star player will continue to work, because heaven knows what they 
will do with the redesign. We can always hope they make it more rather than 
less usable.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 14, 2023, at 7:59 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Ron,
> Yes, I have the platnum account and it works fine. You simply login to your 
> Sirius account in the StarplayrX app, and you are good to go. I just find the 
> native Sirius app annoying because nothing iis in order. I like clear 
> organization. Yes, Sirius is perfectly usable, just annoying. 
> 
> Richard, USA
> ——
> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley
> (Sent from my iPhone)
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2023, at 7:54 AM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Richard,
>> 
>> I use the SiriusXM app and at this point, I have no problems with it. One 
>> always looks for alternatives because some programmers just can't wait to 
>> change the appearance to make it look more appealing and often times break 
>> accessibility. Take the NHL app for listening to hockey games which was 
>> totally accessible until  this season as well as the NFL app that was 
>> accessible until 2020. (I am out another hundred bukcs US funds--since NFL 
>> support  assured me that this year would be different and it wasn't)
>> 
>> 
>> My question is: if I use this 'Starplyer' app, could I access my SiriusXM 
>> 'Platinum' account?
>> 
>> 
 On 11/14/2023 9:16 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
>>> Yes, StarplayrX which I think was $1.99 when I got it.
>>> It has been a while, but I think you designate a station as a favorite and 
>>> then use the category "All Stars" and it organizes them in order by number.
>>> Well, even under All Stations they are in order.
>>> 
>>> https://apps.apple.com/na/app/starplayrx/id1453335612
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard, USA.
>>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>>> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>>> 
>>> My web site:https://www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From:viphone@googlegroups.comOn Behalf Of 
>>> Rhonda Hornbacher
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 5:47 AM
>>> To:viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: xm radio app
>>> 
>>> .
>>> 
>>> Is there a more user friendly app I can use to access xm radio content? If 
>>> so, what is the name of this app.
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much,
>>> Hi friends,
>>> 
>>> I find the xm radio app on my phone to be nonintuitive
>>> 
>> 
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>> them for the betterment of all is no vice;
>> For a nation to claim it has always been great, needs no improvement  and to 
>> cling to its past achievements is no virtue!Hi Richard,
>> 
>> I use the SiriusXM app and at this point, I have no problems with it. One 
>> always looks for alternatives because some programers just can't wait to 
>> change the appearance to make it look more appealing and often times break 
>> accessibility. Take the NHL app for listening to hockey games which was 
>> totally accessible until  this season as well as the NFL app that waqs 
>> accessible until 2020. (I am out another hundred bukcs US funds--since they 
>> assued me that this yer would be different and it wasn't)
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Re: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

[Mary Otten]

I do not want to know what some artificial intelligence thinks somebody’s 
expression means. Cultural stuff hugely influences that sort of thing. And as a 
totally blind person from birth, I can’t tell you how many times people have 
asked me why are you angry? Because I’m not smiling. Apparently you’re supposed 
to go around smiling all the time especially if you’re a woman. So I don’t 
trust AI male centric and Eurocentric as it must obviously be, based on who is 
making these glorious language models and facial expression models etc.I don’t 
want it. I want human to human interaction, and never mind somebody else 
assuming they know what I’m thinking because of how my face looks. I sure don’t 
want to inflict that misunderstanding on somebody else.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 13, 2023, at 6:49 PM, realman02 via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> Good points, Kelly. The reason it bothers me is that it's not human-to-human 
> interaction; it's a large language model that's making those judgements.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kellie
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 9:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
> 
> I think the other thing that people need to keep in mind, it’s just because 
> an artificial intelligence says that’s your expression doesn’t mean you have 
> to believe it. You can ask follow-up questions. The beauty is we have 
> deductive reasoning and can make that determination with further input. Also, 
> if you’re totally blind, every input of an expression is going to be through 
> hearsay whether it’s artificial intelligence or another human being. You’re 
> still going by their interpretation of the expression, not your own judgment. 
> Every single thing that is described to us is through someone else’s eyes or 
> interpretation of what they visually perceive it to be. That means, every 
> description is suspect since no two people are going to take away the same 
> thing. That’s why it doesn’t really bother me if the artificial intelligence 
> Gives an answer that isn’t maybe how I’m feeling or etc. because I can use my 
> reasoning to figure it out.
> 
> Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2023, at 7:26 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree with that. The Be my A I is just telling us what we'd see, if we 
>> could - hairy arm; stern expression. I would want it to tell me what it sees.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Robert Doc Wright
>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 4:50 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
>> 
>> What is wrong with the truth?
>> 
>>   - Original Message -
>>   From: Cristóbal Muñoz   
>>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com   
>>   Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 2:09 PM
>>   Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
>> 
>> 
>>   This topic reminds me of these two articles.
>> 
>>   Blind Olympic athletes show the universal nature of pride and shame 
>> 
>> 
>>   The role of visual experience in the production of emotional facial 
>> expressions by blind people: 
>> 
>> 
>>   Sometimes, BeMyEyes descriptions aren’t appreciated. The other day, I used 
>> it to snap a photo of a bag of green coffee beans that I wanted to roast. I 
>> held the bag of beans in my left hand and snapped the picture with my iPhone 
>> in my right hand. BeMyEyes came back with a description of the type of bean, 
>> region where they were grown, altitude and a whole bunch of other info I 
>> wouldn’t gotten if I tried using SeeingAI. Cool cool…
>> 
>>   At the end of the very detailed description, BeMyEyes also wrote that the 
>> bag was being held by someone with a harry arm. WTH! What’s up with the 
>> editorializing?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   Cristóbal
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   -Original Message-
>>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>>   Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 12:31 PM
>>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>   Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   What did your friend say about your expression? I assume it described you 
>> as "serious" because you weren't smiling.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   -Original Message-
>> 
>>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> 
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>> 
>>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>>   Subject: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   Hello friends.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   I appreciate that 

Re: Accessible RSS readers

[Mary Otten]

I have been using Newsify for years. It’s a free app, but if you pay the I think it’s $10 a year for the premium subscription, you can have all your stuff downloaded and read it off-line. It’s very accessible. There may be others with more features. I’ve had mine set up for so long I really don’t remember how I did it. But I did not need sided help. Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 12, 2023, at 11:04 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:







I used to use RSS readers, but I got out of the habit when Google dropped it’s RSS reader. Now that I see I can use RSS to read lists on Mastodon, I’m wondering where we are with accessible
 RSS readers on the iPhone. Anyone have any suggestions? Free would be preferable, since my usage will be pretty light, but paying for an app is not a show stopper.
 
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Re: Downloaded books not actually becoming available again

[Mary Otten]

The books always download quickly. It says download complete very shortly after 
I initiate the download. The problem is when I go into my library. The book 
will say title unavailable and stay that way for hours and hours. So it’s not 
my router or my ISP. Plus I’m not having any problem downloading anything else. 
It’s just this app with  book sharem. And it’s happening once the things get 
onto the devices. I know I have a big library. But that shouldn’t be a problem. 
I have plenty of storage. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 8, 2023, at 3:58 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I also tried both  books, and although they both remained in the waiting 
> category for maybe a minute, they eventually downloaded. I have always 
> thought this having to wait  it  perhaps some kind of interface situation 
> between Voice Dream and Bookshare, or perhaps Bookshare  sometimes just takes 
> a bit of time before it can send the book to VoiceDream.  but I find it to be 
> a minor annoyance rather than a problem. Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
> 
> On Nov 8, 2023, at 6:30 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Mary,  that book also took less than a minute to download, and was 
> immediately available. I waited until it said download complete before 
> clothe$ing the searcheaof course.
> Not sure what happens in this case. I'd check your router, ISP, ...
> HTH,
> 
> Richard, USA
> ——
> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley
> (Sent from my iPhone)
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2023, at 3:23 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi richard,
>> The name of the book that’s not becoming available is shadow Warriors of 
>> World War II. It has a subtitle, but if you search on just that as the 
>> title, you should get it. I’ve tried it twice, and it’s not becoming 
>> available after hours.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Nov 8, 2023, at 2:46 PM, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary, if you would like me to test one of those books, send me the title.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard, USA
>>> ——
>>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley
>>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 8, 2023, at 2:30 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes. I have iCloud turned on, and I have been keeping everything 
>>>> up-to-date, including one that just showed up today. The problem has not 
>>>> gone away with the recent update. I thought it had gone away a few days 
>>>> ago. But there have been I believe two updates since then, and one of them 
>>>> broke it and the next one didn’t fix it. This is on an iPhone XR and an 
>>>> iPad mini six. And I never do audiobooks from book share
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2023, at 12:03 PM, Richard Turner 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Since Mary sent this to the Voice Dream Products list; I'm quite sure 
>>>>> she is talking about Voice Dr,k Reader and Bookshare as the source.
>>>>> I have only experienced this with large audio books and they eventually 
>>>>> became available.
>>>>> Are you syncing with iCloud? And, have you updated in the last couple of 
>>>>> days?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Richard, USA
>>>>> ——
>>>>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley
>>>>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2023, at 11:53 AM, paekstr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mary, with what app, audible, bard, something else?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>>>>> Mary Otten
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2023 2:34 PM
>>>>>> To: voicedreamprodu...@groups.io; via VIPhone 
>>>>>> Subject: Downloaded books not actually becoming available again
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’m just wondering if anybody is experiencing this again or still. I 
>>>>>> downloaded a book this morning on my phone, it said download complete 
>>>>>> and then the download sat there as being unavailable for a long time. 
>>>>>> Close that one and open my iPad and got the same message. Unavailable. 
>>>>>> Re-downloaded on both devices. Same thing. There is a new update today. 
>&g

Re: Downloaded books not actually becoming available again

[Mary Otten]

Hi richard,
The name of the book that’s not becoming available is shadow Warriors of World 
War II. It has a subtitle, but if you search on just that as the title, you 
should get it. I’ve tried it twice, and it’s not becoming available after hours.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 8, 2023, at 2:46 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Mary, if you would like me to test one of those books, send me the title.
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> ——
> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley
> (Sent from my iPhone)
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2023, at 2:30 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes. I have iCloud turned on, and I have been keeping everything 
>> up-to-date, including one that just showed up today. The problem has not 
>> gone away with the recent update. I thought it had gone away a few days ago. 
>> But there have been I believe two updates since then, and one of them broke 
>> it and the next one didn’t fix it. This is on an iPhone XR and an iPad mini 
>> six. And I never do audiobooks from book share
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Nov 8, 2023, at 12:03 PM, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Since Mary sent this to the Voice Dream Products list; I'm quite sure she 
>>> is talking about Voice Dr,k Reader and Bookshare as the source.
>>> I have only experienced this with large audio books and they eventually 
>>> became available.
>>> Are you syncing with iCloud? And, have you updated in the last couple of 
>>> days?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard, USA
>>> ——
>>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley
>>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 8, 2023, at 11:53 AM, paekstr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mary, with what app, audible, bard, something else?
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>>> Mary Otten
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2023 2:34 PM
>>>> To: voicedreamprodu...@groups.io; via VIPhone 
>>>> Subject: Downloaded books not actually becoming available again
>>>> 
>>>> I’m just wondering if anybody is experiencing this again or still. I 
>>>> downloaded a book this morning on my phone, it said download complete and 
>>>> then the download sat there as being unavailable for a long time. Close 
>>>> that one and open my iPad and got the same message. Unavailable. 
>>>> Re-downloaded on both devices. Same thing. There is a new update today. It 
>>>> did not change things. The book in question is shadow warriors of World 
>>>> War II. I don’t know what these people are doing, but it’s not helping. 
>>>> And yes I have synch turned on.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Downloaded books not actually becoming available again

[Mary Otten]

Yes. I have iCloud turned on, and I have been keeping everything up-to-date, 
including one that just showed up today. The problem has not gone away with the 
recent update. I thought it had gone away a few days ago. But there have been I 
believe two updates since then, and one of them broke it and the next one 
didn’t fix it. This is on an iPhone XR and an iPad mini six. And I never do 
audiobooks from book share
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 8, 2023, at 12:03 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Since Mary sent this to the Voice Dream Products list; I'm quite sure she is 
> talking about Voice Dr,k Reader and Bookshare as the source.
> I have only experienced this with large audio books and they eventually 
> became available.
> Are you syncing with iCloud? And, have you updated in the last couple of days?
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> ——
> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley
> (Sent from my iPhone)
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2023, at 11:53 AM, paekstr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Mary, with what app, audible, bard, something else?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>> Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2023 2:34 PM
>> To: voicedreamprodu...@groups.io; via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Downloaded books not actually becoming available again
>> 
>> I’m just wondering if anybody is experiencing this again or still. I 
>> downloaded a book this morning on my phone, it said download complete and 
>> then the download sat there as being unavailable for a long time. Close that 
>> one and open my iPad and got the same message. Unavailable. Re-downloaded on 
>> both devices. Same thing. There is a new update today. It did not change 
>> things. The book in question is shadow warriors of World War II. I don’t 
>> know what these people are doing, but it’s not helping. And yes I have synch 
>> turned on.
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Downloaded books not actually becoming available again

[Mary Otten]

I’m just wondering if anybody is experiencing this again or still. I downloaded 
a book this morning on my phone, it said download complete and then the 
download sat there as being unavailable for a long time. Close that one and 
open my iPad and got the same message. Unavailable. Re-downloaded on both 
devices. Same thing. There is a new update today. It did not change things. The 
book in question is shadow warriors of World War II. I don’t know what these 
people are doing, but it’s not helping. And yes I have synch turned on. 
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Re: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad

[Mary Otten]

No. I’m not talking about videos in the Photos app. I have no videos in my 
Photos app, just a very few photos. I’m talking about audible books being 
mistakenly identified as videos when you are in settings and go to the media 
type thing, view downloaded Videos I think it says. I can’t remember. It’s the 
thing that richard talked about how to go and find your videos. It’s also what 
Gerardo mentioned in a previous note where he said that he had audible books 
miss identified as videos. Hope that clarifies.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 1, 2023, at 9:30 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Are you talking about videos showing up in the Photos app? If so then I 
> don't have a single Audible book among them.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 1:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad
> 
> Well, that might be true. I looked in Audible just at the downloaded books. 
> And there are 12 of them, although when I looked at the end in settings under 
> that viewing the audios thing that you mentioned before, I only saw eight. 
> And I didn’t see a more or next button. So you could be right which raises 
> the question: since I have a lot more audiobooks downloaded elsewhere on an 
> iPhone, why aren’t they seen as videos? Very bizarre.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if the .jpg file that is the cover of the book with Audible books 
>> is confusing iOS. Makes no sense.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> ——
>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John
>> Wesley (Sent from my iPhone)
>> 
>>>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, when I did find that thing for all downloaded audios and videos, I 
>>> saw eight of them. They were all audible books, and they all said watched 
>>> or partially watched or not watched, implying, as Gerardo said, that the 
>>> damn thing thinks their videos. So there are eight audiobooks from audible. 
>>> Of course I have more than eight audible books on my iPad, so where are the 
>>> other ones? What about all the bar books they are also audio. I don’t get 
>>> it. Oh well I guess it’s just a big mystery.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Richard Turner  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mary,
>>>> One thing to try is to open the Photos app, and select the albums tab.
>>>> There is a heading called Media Types.  Perhaps it will identify videos.  
>>>> If not, then check further under General, iPhone Storage.
>>>> If you keep flicking right through the iPhone storage, you eventually come 
>>>> to a couple things that may help, review large attachments, and review 
>>>> downloaded videos and audios.
>>>> It is less than an efficient way to find stuff.
>>>> 
>>>> HTH,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Richard, USA.
>>>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
>>>> with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in
>>>> the Universe
>>>> 
>>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>>> Of Mary Otten
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:46 AM
>>>> To: via VIPhone 
>>>> Subject: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad
>>>> 
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>> I have an iPad mini, and to the best of my knowledge, I never download 
>>>> videos. I have none on my iPhone. Yet for the longest time now, whenever I 
>>>> go to check the amount of storage being used on my device, it tells me I 
>>>> have 12 videos. I would love to find them and get rid of them since I 
>>>> don’t want them, but I have not been able to figure out how to do that. 
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>> Mary
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad

[Mary Otten]

Well, that might be true. I looked in Audible just at the downloaded books. And 
there are 12 of them, although when I looked at the end in settings under that 
viewing the audios thing that you mentioned before, I only saw eight. And I 
didn’t see a more or next button. So you could be right which raises the 
question: since I have a lot more audiobooks downloaded elsewhere on an iPhone, 
why aren’t they seen as videos? Very bizarre.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I wonder if the .jpg file that is the cover of the book with Audible books 
> is confusing iOS. Makes no sense.
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> ——
> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley
> (Sent from my iPhone)
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, when I did find that thing for all downloaded audios and videos, I 
>> saw eight of them. They were all audible books, and they all said watched or 
>> partially watched or not watched, implying, as Gerardo said, that the damn 
>> thing thinks their videos. So there are eight audiobooks from audible. Of 
>> course I have more than eight audible books on my iPad, so where are the 
>> other ones? What about all the bar books they are also audio. I don’t get 
>> it. Oh well I guess it’s just a big mystery.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary,
>>> One thing to try is to open the Photos app, and select the albums tab.
>>> There is a heading called Media Types.  Perhaps it will identify videos.  
>>> If not, then check further under General, iPhone Storage.
>>> If you keep flicking right through the iPhone storage, you eventually come 
>>> to a couple things that may help, review large attachments, and review 
>>> downloaded videos and audios.
>>> It is less than an efficient way to find stuff.
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard, USA.
>>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>>> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>>> 
>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>>> Otten
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:46 AM
>>> To: via VIPhone 
>>> Subject: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad
>>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> I have an iPad mini, and to the best of my knowledge, I never download 
>>> videos. I have none on my iPhone. Yet for the longest time now, whenever I 
>>> go to check the amount of storage being used on my device, it tells me I 
>>> have 12 videos. I would love to find them and get rid of them since I don’t 
>>> want them, but I have not been able to figure out how to do that. Any ideas?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad

[Mary Otten]

Well, when I did find that thing for all downloaded audios and videos, I saw 
eight of them. They were all audible books, and they all said watched or 
partially watched or not watched, implying, as Gerardo said, that the damn 
thing thinks their videos. So there are eight audiobooks from audible. Of 
course I have more than eight audible books on my iPad, so where are the other 
ones? What about all the bar books they are also audio. I don’t get it. Oh well 
I guess it’s just a big mystery. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Mary,
> One thing to try is to open the Photos app, and select the albums tab.
> There is a heading called Media Types.  Perhaps it will identify videos.  If 
> not, then check further under General, iPhone Storage.
> If you keep flicking right through the iPhone storage, you eventually come to 
> a couple things that may help, review large attachments, and review 
> downloaded videos and audios.
> It is less than an efficient way to find stuff.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:46 AM
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> Subject: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad
> 
> Hi folks,
> I have an iPad mini, and to the best of my knowledge, I never download 
> videos. I have none on my iPhone. Yet for the longest time now, whenever I go 
> to check the amount of storage being used on my device, it tells me I have 12 
> videos. I would love to find them and get rid of them since I don’t want 
> them, but I have not been able to figure out how to do that. Any ideas?
> Mary
> 
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Re: How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad

[Mary Otten]

I certainly have audiobooks downloaded, but also on my phone, where I have no 
videos noted in the “about “section. It’s a definite head scratcher.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 10:10 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> Check if you've got any Audible titles downloaded? For some weird reason, 
> iOS thinks they're videos,r than Audiobooks. Good luck!
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
> 
>> El 31 oct 2023, a la(s) 9:46 a.m., Mary Otten  escribió:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> I have an iPad mini, and to the best of my knowledge, I never download 
>> videos. I have none on my iPhone. Yet for the longest time now, whenever I 
>> go to check the amount of storage being used on my device, it tells me I 
>> have 12 videos. I would love to find them and get rid of them since I don’t 
>> want them, but I have not been able to figure out how to do that. Any ideas?
>> Mary
>> 
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Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Mary Otten]

It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if your 
friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear anything and quit, 
because it thinks you’re doing something. Try disabling hands-free Siri and 
just use the side button and see if that helps. I never have used hey Siri 
except on my HomePod. I have no problem pressing the side button.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available for 
> follow up questions I think is essentially keeping the mic open and thus it 
> cannot give a full answer if it hears anything.
> Pretty pointless.
> I find nothing in Siri settings to disable this.
> Though, he might try turning on showing a transcript of what Siri says, then 
> maybe VO can read the whole response, but that is a poor work around at best 
> even if it works.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
> Schneider
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:42 AM
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> Subject: Siri and iOS 17 problem
> 
> I am trying to help a friend with a problem that has popped up since iOS 
> 17.1. He uses Siri to get his sports scores. He says that, as she is reading 
> back the information, any little noise will stop her from reading. It is like 
> Siri has an open mic all the time. This behavior just started recently. He 
> thought that an update fixed it, and it worked well for about a day, but then 
> went back to this problematic behavior. Any insights on how to solve this 
> problem would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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How to find the videos that are supposedly on my iPad

[Mary Otten]

Hi folks,
I have an iPad mini, and to the best of my knowledge, I never download videos. 
I have none on my iPhone. Yet for the longest time now, whenever I go to check 
the amount of storage being used on my device, it tells me I have 12 videos. I 
would love to find them and get rid of them since I don’t want them, but I have 
not been able to figure out how to do that. Any ideas?
Mary

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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Mary Otten]

I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
> 
> 
>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Mary,
>> 
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>> 
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>> 
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>> Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>> 
>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
>> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
>> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
>> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
>> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I 
>> can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My 
>> Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, 
>> worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing 
>> to do with AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Mary Otten]

Frankly, Mark, it seems to me that they’ve all gotten stupider recently, 
so-called AI not withstanding. I mean really. Alexa is worthless for sports. 
You get all kinds of crap from that. Google Assistant well not so much. But 
when I can’t get Siri to open an app on my phone without a big fat hassle, that 
just takes the cake. Open Watch. Which watch app do you want Hulu or YouTube or 
Watch? Well G. I said watch app. I didn’t say anything about Hulu or YouTube. 
This crap is just ridiculous. Any assistant on a phone should be smart enough 
to know when you’re asking it to open an app that you have on your phone. 
Samsung phones have no problem with this. It’s just ridiculous. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 8:18 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Mary,
> 
> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
> 
> I have to admit, I agree with you.  
> 
> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
> others.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
> 
> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I can 
> open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My Samsung 
> device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. 
> Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing to do with 
> AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
> Sent from my iPhone
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Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Mary Otten]

I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says uh-oh 
there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I can open 
it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My Samsung device 
opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. Apple 
really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing to do with AI. Get 
your stuff together Apple. 
Sent from my iPhone

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Re: IOS17.1 first impressions: language rotor missing, Notifications fixed

[Mary Otten]

I was very happy that Gerardo pointed that out. I would not have been happy. I 
have it selected for a reason. I hate it when updates change user settings.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 4:56 PM, Corey Cook  wrote:
> 
> I am glad it is unselected.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS17.1 first impressions: language rotor missing, Notifications 
> fixed
> 
> The language rotor is still in the VoiceOver Rotor settings, but finally, at 
> long last, you can unselect it! So, apparently they now make the default 
> unselected. If you want it back, go to settings, accessibility, VoiceOver, 
> Rotor, Rotor Items.
> 
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>> On Oct 25, 2023, at 12:34 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>> 
>> Just updated both my IPHone and IPad to 17.1, and it’s so weird what I’m 
>> going to say: the Language rotor option isn’t there! On both my IPHone and 
>> IPad, I had to head on over to voiceOver rotor options, with the surprise 
>> that the Language option wasn’t checked! Thus upon checking it once again, 
>> it shows up as it should. So just so that you’ll can aware of this little 
>> annoyance.
>> What I’m loving the iOS17.1, though, is that apparently the VoiceOver 
>> Notification reading bug is fixed! I tested this by going into 
>> voiceOver/Verbosity/System Notifications, and within the Blocked Screen 
>> section of the Settings, checked “Don’t do Nothing”, and yes it worked! 
>> VoiceOver was speechless (not even the time as  did with the 17.0 cycle), of 
>> which I’m very happy! This is what I’d been expecting all along! What makes 
>> me happier is that I no longer have to turn off teh speech as before!
>> Oh and the update is sort of big! On my th Generation IPad it was
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Is Patreon accessible on the iPhone?

[Mary Otten]

Hi all,
Subject pretty much says it all. I’m thinking about joining somebody’s Patreon. 
My experience with it in the past was not very good, but that was sometime ago. 
So I wonder has anybody been using it lately, and how accessible is it?
Mary

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Apple arcade

[Mary Otten]

I just decided to subscribe to Apple one, because we both like the news and 
music etc. So now we have access to Apple Arcade which interests me not in the 
least. But my husband likes games, and we can’t figure out how to actually 
access Apple Arcade. Has anybody done that? It’s not an app. And if you ask 
Siri to do it he doesn’t help. So how do you access Apple Arcade and how do you 
access Fitness plus? I have an Apple Watch, and I do workouts there. But I 
don’t use Fitness plus. How does that work?  my husband googled for arcade and 
didn’t get much luck. Anyway, it seems like it should be obvious they should be 
apps that are downloaded like music is on your system even if you aren’t 
subscribe. But apparently not. Help! 
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Apple identifies iOS 17 bug causing iPhone 15 Pro models to overheat | Macworld

[Mary Otten]

Title: Apple identifies iOS 17 bug causing iPhone 15 Pro models to overheat | Macworld
https://www.macworld.com/article/2088105/iphone-15-pro-overheating-ios-17-bug-app-updates.html?utm_date=20230930214507_campaign=Macworld%20Daily_content=Title%3A%20Apple%20identifies%20iOS%2017%20bug%20causing%20iPhone%2015%20Pro%20models%20to%20overheat_term=Editorial%20-%20Macworld%20Daily_medium=email_source=Adestra=6dd4b8d6-d41a-4792-8b47-f0d54946842f

Apple identifies iOS 17 bug causing iPhone 15 Pro models to overheatTitanium isn’t to blame after all.			

	 By Michael Simon 


	 Executive Editor,  		 Macworld	SEP 30, 2023 11:48 am PDT
			
	
		
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For the past week, the jubilant iPhone 15 launch has been somewhat overshadowed by widespread reports of overheating. According to many users on X (formerly Twitter), Reddit, and Apple’s forums, the new handsets can get so hot as to be hard to hold. Apple has finally responded and assures a fix is on the way.



In a statement to media outlets, Apple is confident that the issue is related to software rather than the A17 Pro chip or titanium enclosure. The company has targeted three possible reasons for the overheating in some iPhone 15 Pro models:




Apple says iPhones “may feel warmer during the first few days after setting up or restoring the device because of increased background activity.” That’s a fairly common issue with new smartphones but appears to have been exasperated with the iPhone 15 launch.



Some apps, including Instagram and Uber, that were recently updated to support iOS 17 have been overloading the A17 Pro chip’s CPU. Apple says it is working with affected developers on fixes that are in the process of rolling out.



A bug in iOS 17 that is “impacting some users” will be addressed in a future software update.




Apple insists that the overheating issues aren’t related to the A17 Pro processor, iPhone 15’s titanium chassis, or its updated internal design. The company also squashed a report from Ming-Chi Kuo that it could limit performance to keep the system-on-chip cool under heavier loads, saying it “will not be lowering the performance of the A17 Pro chip” as part of the planned fixes.



Apple began testing iOS 17.1 on Wednesday, though a fix could come as part of an iOS 17.0.3 update as well.

		
			
			

		
		
		
		Author: Michael Simon, Executive Editor		
			


Michael Simon has been covering Apple since the iPod was the iWalk. His obsession with technology goes back to his first PC—the IBM Thinkpad with the lift-up keyboard for swapping out the drive. He's still waiting for that to come back in style tbh.

	

			
		
		
			
			
		
			
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Fingers point at Instagram app for overheating iPhone 15 Pros

[Mary Otten]

Interesting. If true, I don’t have anything to worry about when I upgrade. I 
will never use Instagram.

https://www.cultofmac.com/832480/fingers-point-at-instagram-app-for-overheating-iphone-15-pro-models/?utm_source=newsletters.cultofmac.com_medium=newsletter_campaign=popular-app-may-be-overheating-iphone-15s

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Re: Pro vs Max

[Mary Otten]

Thanks, Kelly. So with regard to the screen on the 15 Pro, how is it for 
typing. I’m probably one of the few people who still tap taps with one finger 
on the keyboard, and after all this time with this phone, I’ve gotten fairly 
good at it. so I’m just curious about the size of the screen and how long it’s 
taking you to adjust, unless of course you’re using braille or an external 
keyboard.
Mary

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> On Sep 25, 2023, at 5:35 AM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> I went with the newer phone now, because as I understand it next summer, I 
> won’t be able to update to the next version of iOS and if that’s going to be 
> the case, I decided I would get the newer model as early as possible because 
> I like to run test versions of the next OS release.
> 
> I will say the one other thing that I have noticed in how I use my phone that 
> is faster is the results of dictation being processed if I use the phone 
> dictation feature for text input.
> 
> I am generally someone who likes to keep my existing phone until I’m no 
> longer able to update the operating system. I had used my iPhone 5S until I 
> bought the 10R.
> 
> I am told that pictures from the 15 are visually noticeably better, but I 
> don’t really have a way to quantify that. I mean, yes, I understand the 
> megapixels and such as far as the technical specifics. I don’t know yet, if 
> that translates to more detail when using the various artificial intelligence 
> services to describe photos.
> 
> Kelly
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2023, at 9:51 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting. I also have a 10 r with which I am quite happy. But I was 
>> thinking about getting a 15 pro because it’s a lot newer and I thought it 
>> might have better performance better battery life and the better camera. 
>> But, Kelly, based on your comments, I’m thinking about not bothering.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Sep 24, 2023, at 7:08 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I appreciate all the replies here.
>>> 
>>> I did go with the iPhone 15 Pro and have been using it since Friday. I 
>>> chose the Pro in large part because I prefer the smaller size. That said, 
>>> so far I’m really not noticing meaningful differences in most tasks between 
>>> my iPhone 10R and this 15 Pro. Apps might launch a bit faster but VoiceOver 
>>> performance when moving between items is about the same and add-heavy web 
>>> sites with videos that play muted by default still seem to bring VoiceOver 
>>> to very problematic web performance.
>>> 
>>> I’m not saying any of this to be critical and it is too early to know about 
>>> battery performance.
>>> 
>>> Kelly
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 24, 2023, at 8:36 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi I have not upgraded yet eather. my ishu is what I should choose since I 
>>>> am running a I phone 8 and my carrier tellus has I phones for 0 dollors up 
>>>> frunt but of korce you have to pay the taxes. I have herd that the I phone 
>>>> 14 prow is 151 for taxes. What do people sugest that I get? I have always 
>>>> gotten a case with mine as well. From Mich. From New Liskeard Ontario 
>>>> Canada.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>>> Richard
>>>> Sent: September 24, 2023 6:17 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Pro vs Max
>>>> 
>>>> I haven't upgraded yet, although am considering the Pro or Max. My concern 
>>>> is the Max will be too big to fit in a standard  shirt pocket. I hate to 
>>>> haul around a case or belt  pouch. For any of you who use the Max, does it 
>>>> fit into a shirt pocket? I guess I'll find out when I go to buy a phone.
>>>> 
>>>> Richard Petty
>>>> richard.pe...@earthlink.net
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>>> Julian
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 4:27 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
>>>> 
>>>> I was doing the same thing until I decided to upgrade to the 15 Pro. I so 
>>>> wish that they would make a smart battery case for these phones.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2023, at 2:10 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> You

Re: Pro vs Max

[Mary Otten]

: 29 hours
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> From: lenron brown 
>>>>> Date: 09/24/2023 11:20 AM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hm I don't even get 2 days with my max. When I got it I got about 16
>>>>> to 18 hours, but now I still can get through 12 or 14 depending on
>>>>> what I am doing. Once you really start to break these phones in the
>>>>> battery doesn't last as long because your doing everything on it. I
>>>>> read I watch youtube, and do a bit of social media. Along with my
>>>>> banking and gps. So I am never complaining about more battery life.
>>>>>>> On 9/24/23, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I got an iPhone 14 Pro this past summer. I don't use the battery as
>>>>>> heavily as some of you, but I routinely get two days on one charge,
>>>>>> so I think the odds are good it would last through a whole day if I
>>>>>> did use the GPS extensively for a day. I'm not doubting that the
>>>>>> battery life on the Max is better, just saying it's surprisingly
>>>>>> good on the regular Pro as well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Anna
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I can't remember the numbers, but the battery life for the plus is
>>>>>>> not like the battery life for the promax. My problem with the
>>>>>>> promax, aside from the price, is the screen size. I can't imagine
>>>>>>> holding this thing in one hand and actually doing stuff on the
>>>>>>> screen like I do with my 10 R.
>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>> I think the big screens are not good for me. And it looks like
>>>>>>> according to rumors, next year's Apple phones are going to be
>>>>>>> bigger than this year's. I have an iPad mini. I don't need another
>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 6:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Kelly,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Like Robert stated, the larger models get much, much better
>>>>>>>> battery life.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Before purchasing my beloved 14 Pro Max, I always carried a
>>>>>>>> charging cable with me, when out for a day.  With the Pro Max, I
>>>>>>>> never, ever worry about running out of power in a day, even when
>>>>>>>> using GPS navigation for hours at a time.  The phone is amazing.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I would think that the battery on the Plus models would be as
>>>>>>>> good as the Pro Max but cannot personally confirm this as I do
>>>>>>>> not own a Plus model.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Robert Stigile
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 4:22 PM
>>>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Kelly
>>>>>>>> I  realize you asked about the 15.
>>>>>>>> I had to update in February as my 11 pro couldnt hold out nine months!
>>>>>>>> I opted for the 14 pro max though a larger screen then the pro.
>>>>>>>> I am so glad i did as i get 14-16 hours on one charge!
>>>>>>>> This is texting mail constantly whatsapping facebook phone
>>>>>>>> calling and using my hotspot with the braillesense!
>>>>>>>> Hope this helps!
>>>>>>>> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President National Federation of the
>>>>>>>> Blind of California President San Fernando Valley Chapter
>>>>>>>> 818-381-9568
&g

Re: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments

[Mary Otten]

So what chip is in the second generation SE? Compared to the 12 mini? If 
they’re very close to the same, I don’t think it would be worth it to purchase 
an SE. That phone might go out of Support at about the same time as your 12 
mini. I have a 10 r, and I’m expecting that next year it won’t get an upgrade 
to the newest OS.  If you purchased a 15, you would have it for five years of 
use, based on Apple‘s track record of how long iPhones get updated. I’m quite 
sure that the second generation se is not going to get five more years of 
updates. So, I guess it’s up to you depending on the difference in the cost. 
But if it was me, I would get a 15 if I couldn’t swing a 15 pro.
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> On Sep 24, 2023, at 10:58 AM, Fred Olver  wrote:
> 
> Terri, Since I don't feel it necessary to have the latest and greatest, 
> please try and understand my bias. My personal choice would be for you to 
> invest in the second generation IPhone S.E. The cost is substantially less 
> than any of the more modern phones and you would not be sacrificing very much 
> in terms of optical recognition. Also, you would be able to continue to use 
> your various charging devices and chords because the S.E. has the lightning 
> port.
> Fred Olver - Original Message - From: "Terri Stimmel" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 12:23 PM
> Subject: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments
> 
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> 
>> First of all, I have really appreciated reading the thoughts, and opinions 
>> on the new phones. As well as peoples experiences with them, in the stores. 
>> I always find this sort of stuff helpful.
>> 
>> 
>> I am considering upgrading my phone. At first, I wasn't going to do it. I 
>> love my 12 mini. It's smaller, and pretty easy for me to hold. It still 
>> works quite well, and I really don't have any issues with it.
>> 
>> 
>> However, I get my phone service with T-Mobile. If I were to upgrade now, it 
>> would be better for me, then if I were to wait another year or so. Right 
>> now, I can trade in this phone, and it will help go toward the cost of my 
>> next phone. I really don't want to have to trade in this phone. But this is 
>> the way I have to go about these sorts of things, if I ever want to upgrade.
>> 
>> 
>> My battery in my phone is degrading. I actually have a service message on 
>> it, that states that I need to replace the battery. So I could do that, and 
>> use this phone for longer. But a part of me thinks that it is just better to 
>> go ahead and do the upgrade instead.
>> 
>> 
>> I would be interested to hear what people think about this. I know some of 
>> this will be opinion. That is fine by me.
>> 
>> However, some of you on this list know way much more about these sorts of 
>> things than I do. That is something I have really come to appreciate over 
>> the years. It is a big part as to why I remain a part of this list.
>> 
>> 
>> I plan to go to my local store within the next week, or so. I want to hold 
>> the 15 plus, and the 15 pro. I want to explore them, and see which one I 
>> might be most comfortable with.
>> 
>> 
>> I was also considering checking out the 14 pro. Just so that I would know 
>> all of my options. I am not interested in the pro, max phones. That would 
>> just be too large of a device for me.
>> 
>> 
>> I really like the idea of having a phone that uses USB C charging.
>> 
>> However, what sorts of charging blocks might I need?
>> 
>> 
>> I am not sure if I have what I need, to support that type of charging. I 
>> know I at least have one. I usually try to buy dual charging blocks, because 
>> I have so many devices, that this just works better for me. Or, I have 
>> friends that come over, who need to charge their stuff.
>> 
>> 
>> I am really looking forward to possibly getting a pro, just for the camera. 
>> I never in my life thought that i would want a phone, for it's camera.
>> 
>> 
>> However, the new feature with Be My Eyes, has been a game changer for me. I 
>> use it quite regularly. At least, once a day. Usually a lot more than that 
>> though. I am still not always the best at taking a picture. I hope that this 
>> might improve in time. I just don't always understand how, or where to aim 
>> the camera.
>> 
>> 
>> Are the cameras really all that different from the 12 Mini I have now, to 
>> the 14 pro, or the 15 pro?
>> 
>> 
>> I really want to make the best choice possible for myself. But of course, I 
>> won't know really what to expect, until I go to the store.
>> 
>> 
>> What do you all think?
>> 
>> Any thoughts, or suggestions are much appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> 
>> Terri
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Re: Pro vs Max

[Mary Otten]

I can’t remember the numbers, but the battery life for the plus is not like the 
battery life for the promax. My problem with the promax, aside from the price, 
is the screen size. I can’t imagine holding this thing in one hand and actually 
doing stuff on the screen like I do with my 10 R. So I think the big screens 
are not good for me. And it looks like according to rumors, next year’s Apple 
phones are going to be bigger than this year‘s. I have an iPad mini. I don’t 
need another one. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 23, 2023, at 6:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kelly,
> 
> Like Robert stated, the larger models get much, much better battery life.
> 
> Before purchasing my beloved 14 Pro Max, I always carried a charging cable 
> with me, when out for a day.  With the Pro Max, I never, ever worry about 
> running out of power in a day, even when using GPS navigation for hours at a 
> time.  The phone is amazing.
> 
> I would think that the battery on the Plus models would be as good as the Pro 
> Max but cannot personally confirm this as I do not own a Plus model.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
> Stigile
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 4:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Pro vs Max
> 
> Kelly
> I  realize you asked about the 15.
> I had to update in February as my 11 pro couldnt hold out nine months!
> I opted for the 14 pro max though a larger screen then the pro.
> I am so glad i did as i get 14-16 hours on one charge!
> This is texting mail constantly whatsapping facebook phone calling and using 
> my hotspot with the braillesense!
> Hope this helps!
> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
> National Federation of the Blind of California President San Fernando Valley 
> Chapter
> 818-381-9568
> Kn6uvd
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 4:11 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
>> 
>> I am curious for those of you who have chosen the 15 Max over the Pro, what 
>> lead you to choose the Max? Battery life or something else. My understanding 
>> is that the biggest differences are screen size, battery life and the depth 
>> for zooming with the camera.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
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Re: VDScan and iOS 17 issues

[Mary Otten]

Under the main phone settings, camera is set to on.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 23, 2023, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Not the settings in the app, but go to the regular settings on the phone, go 
> down to VDScan and see what it says in there. 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA 
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>>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 3:35 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Language autodect is turned on.
>> Scan tone is on.
>> Always enhance images is on.
>> Read text automatically is on.
>> Show plain text after recognizing is on.
>> 
>> I see no mention of the camera under settings.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> Tom 
>> 
 On Sep 23, 2023, at 3:24 PM, Larry Smith  wrote:
 
>>> I just purchased the iPhone 15 max yesterday. VD scan is working here.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 23, 2023, at 12:36 PM, Lisa Belville  
 wrote:
 
 Hi, Richard.
 
 
 
 Sadly, yes.  I wrote to Winston on Thursday morning and he got back to me 
 this morning.  Neither his update nor the 17.0.1 update has corrected the 
 issue.  VO tells me the app is opening, but it doesn't.  However, the app 
 is in the app switcher.
 
 
 
 I've tried several hard resets and I've completely removed and 
 re-downloaded the app.
 
 
 
 It's like the app isn't completely opening or something.
 
 
 
 Winston asked me if I had any odd settings tweaked on my phone and I do 
 not, but I'm not sure what I should be looking for..
 
 
 
 I hope that enough of us with this issue can help him find a solution.  
 I'm also happy to see he's being so responsive.
 
 
 
 
 Lisa Belville
 missktlab1...@frontier.com
 On 9/23/2023 11:08 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> Has anyone had problems using VDScan after updating to iOS 17 or 17.0.1?
> 
> On my 13 pro, it won't open.
> 
> Winston Chen cannot duplicate this on two different devices.
> 
> So, checking to see if others are having issues.
> 
> For me, I try launching the app, I end up back on the main screen, but 
> VDScan shows up in the app switcher.
> 
> Checking the settings, it says nothing about camera access.
> 
> I have deleted and reinstalled the app several times, and reset network 
> settings.
> 
> I'm not ready to reset all settings as that is a royal pain in the ….
> 
>  
> Richard, USA.
> 
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Re: VDScan and iOS 17 issues

[Mary Otten]

My settings are exactly like yours, Tom. No mention of Camera.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 23, 2023, at 3:35 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
> 
> Language autodect is turned on.
> Scan tone is on.
> Always enhance images is on.
> Read text automatically is on.
> Show plain text after recognizing is on.
> 
> I see no mention of the camera under settings.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Tom 
> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 3:24 PM, Larry Smith  wrote:
>>> 
>> I just purchased the iPhone 15 max yesterday. VD scan is working here.
>>  
>> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 12:36 PM, Lisa Belville  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Richard.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sadly, yes.  I wrote to Winston on Thursday morning and he got back to me 
>>> this morning.  Neither his update nor the 17.0.1 update has corrected the 
>>> issue.  VO tells me the app is opening, but it doesn't.  However, the app 
>>> is in the app switcher.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I've tried several hard resets and I've completely removed and 
>>> re-downloaded the app.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It's like the app isn't completely opening or something.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Winston asked me if I had any odd settings tweaked on my phone and I do 
>>> not, but I'm not sure what I should be looking for..
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I hope that enough of us with this issue can help him find a solution.  I'm 
>>> also happy to see he's being so responsive.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lisa Belville
>>> missktlab1...@frontier.com
>>> On 9/23/2023 11:08 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
 Greetings,
 
 Has anyone had problems using VDScan after updating to iOS 17 or 17.0.1?
 
 On my 13 pro, it won't open.
 
 Winston Chen cannot duplicate this on two different devices.
 
 So, checking to see if others are having issues.
 
 For me, I try launching the app, I end up back on the main screen, but 
 VDScan shows up in the app switcher.
 
 Checking the settings, it says nothing about camera access.
 
 I have deleted and reinstalled the app several times, and reset network 
 settings.
 
 I'm not ready to reset all settings as that is a royal pain in the ….
 
  
 Richard, USA.
 
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 it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
 
  
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Re: Be my eyes new service

[Mary Otten]

I absolutely agree. There are some times when these kinds of judgments might be 
innocuous, like the one the original poster described. There are other times 
when they are literally disastrous, because facial expressions the world over 
or not the same. We do not want artificial intelligence deciding what peoples 
expressions mean, because they are based on that Thoughts of the dominant 
culture always and everywhere. Not a good idea. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2023, at 6:15 PM, realman02 via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> The problem is that a non-human thing, Open AI, is making subjective 
> judgments about people and objects in pictures and there's no way to query 
> the AI why it came up with that judgement. Plus I want to make my won 
> judgements and don't want to be influenced by a machine. All I'm saying is 
> that we need to think carefully whether we really want Be My Eyes to be 
> giving us these judgments or having them reserved for human interactions.
> I realize this is veering off topic so won't be replying anymore.
> Happy listing!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
> brown
> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 9:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Be my eyes new service
> 
> I don't see the problem.
> 
>> On 9/21/23, realman02 via VIPhone  wrote:
>> to you, she is, appropriately, loveable. But to Open AI?
>> 
>> Really think about whether you want Be My Eyes to be giving value judgments
>> and subjective judgments to its descriptions.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Kellie
>> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 7:53 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Be my eyes new service
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I guess to each their own. I find nothing wrong with the descriptions. I
>> have the intellect to know that it is simply artificial intelligence and I
>> can make up my own mind if it really means they’re happy or sad, etc. I am
>> very happy with the fact that I’m getting detailed descriptions, and it
>> makes me feel like I can see again. But I understand that everybody
>> approaches us differently.
>> 
>> Kellie and my lovable Lady J
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2023, at 6:23 PM, realman02 via VIPhone >  > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I am disturbe dby this description. I don’t want an AI tleling me something
>> is “adorable” or “ugly” or “horrible” or any subjective description.
>> 
>> Also. “Soulful, curious, etc” are extremely troubling. This is how I want my
>> AI to handle descriptions of people, animals and things:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The picture shows two dogs sitting on a floor. The floor has dark gray tiles
>> and there is a beige rug where the dogs are sitting. On the left, there is a
>> black Labrador with a shiny coat. It has brown eyes and is wearing a collar
>> with a tag. On the right, there is a German Shepherd puppy. It has a black
>> coat with tan markings on its legs and face. The puppy has bright eyes and
>> floppy ears. It is also wearing a collar with a tag. They are sitting next
>> to each other and seem to be in a kitchen, as there is a glimpse of a
>> cabinet and an oven in the background
>> 
>> Thanks  John Riehl
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroupscom >  > On Behalf Of Alison May
>> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 6:43 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Be my eyes new service
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I asked if this app could also describe photos on my iPhone and followed the
>> directions given. I am absolutely amazed. Below is a description of the day.
>> My current guide dog met his puppy raiser and her new pup. The details
>> really bring the picture alive.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The picture shows two adorable dogs sitting on a floor. The floor has dark
>> gray tiles and there is a beige rug where the dogs are sitting. On the left,
>> there is a black Labrador with a shiny coat. It has soulful brown eyes and
>> is wearing a collar with a tag. On the right, there is a German Shepherd
>> puppy. It has a black coat with tan markings on its legs and face. The puppy
>> has bright, curious eyes and floppy ears. It is also wearing a collar with a
>> tag. They are sitting next to each other and seem to be in a kitchen, as
>> there is a glimpse of a cabinet and an oven in the background
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
>> 
>> 0777 315 8181
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 21 Sep 2023, at 10:17 pm, Feliciano Godoy >  > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The email is actually accessibil...@apple.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Considering the matter, I believe you're better off Colleen Apple.
>> 
>> Feliciano
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Re: Voiceover voice keeps switching between Alex and Samantha since upgrading

[Mary Otten]

If I can ever figure out a pattern, I certainly will call Apple Accessibility. 
It’s very strange.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2023, at 10:09 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I didn't really think that was what was happening, but thought I'd throw it 
> out there.
> I gather this is also unpredictable so having Apple Accessibility sharing 
> your screen to see it happen is not practicle...
> 
> Very strange.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
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> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 9:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voiceover voice keeps switching between Alex and Samantha since 
> upgrading
> 
> I do have languages in the rotor, but that’s not what this is about. The 
> language is not switching. It’s staying on the default which should be Alex. 
> I have US English default for Alex. I also have Allison as a secondary US 
> English voice, and of course I have a Russian voice. I have never seen 
> switching between voices when I’m just flicking around a message list or 
> among icons on the screen until this upgrade. I am really quite sure it has 
> nothing to do with the rotor accidentally moving. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2023, at 9:31 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Do you have languages in the rotor? The only time I have voices changing 
>> suddenly is when the rotor ends up on languages and I accidently flick up or 
>> down and find the voice different.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> ——
>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John 
>> Wesley (Sent from my iPhone)
>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2023, at 8:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yesterday, I upgraded my iPad mini six to iOS 17. So far so good, except 
>>> that for whatever reason, my default language voice which was sent to Alex, 
>>> sometimes arbitrarily switches to Samantha. Not that I’m switching 
>>> anything. Just navigating around the screen for some reason, sometimes 
>>> language comes out using Samantha not Alex. I can’t determine a pattern. 
>>> Has anyone experienced this?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Voiceover voice keeps switching between Alex and Samantha since upgrading

[Mary Otten]

I do have languages in the rotor, but that’s not what this is about. The 
language is not switching. It’s staying on the default which should be Alex. I 
have US English default for Alex. I also have Allison as a secondary US English 
voice, and of course I have a Russian voice. I have never seen switching 
between voices when I’m just flicking around a message list or among icons on 
the screen until this upgrade. I am really quite sure it has nothing to do with 
the rotor accidentally moving. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2023, at 9:31 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Do you have languages in the rotor? The only time I have voices changing 
> suddenly is when the rotor ends up on languages and I accidently flick up or 
> down and find the voice different.
> 
> 
> Richard, USA 
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> (Sent from my iPhone)
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2023, at 8:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Yesterday, I upgraded my iPad mini six to iOS 17. So far so good, except 
>> that for whatever reason, my default language voice which was sent to Alex, 
>> sometimes arbitrarily switches to Samantha. Not that I’m switching anything. 
>> Just navigating around the screen for some reason, sometimes language comes 
>> out using Samantha not Alex. I can’t determine a pattern. Has anyone 
>> experienced this?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Voiceover voice keeps switching between Alex and Samantha since upgrading

[Mary Otten]

Yesterday, I upgraded my iPad mini six to iOS 17. So far so good, except that 
for whatever reason, my default language voice which was sent to Alex, 
sometimes arbitrarily switches to Samantha. Not that I’m switching anything. 
Just navigating around the screen for some reason, sometimes language comes out 
using Samantha not Alex. I can’t determine a pattern. Has anyone experienced 
this?
Mary


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Re: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

[Mary Otten]

It sounds like text detection does pretty much what all the other things like 
that envision AI or voice dream scanner etc. do when you hold your camera over 
some text. Whether it’s better or not then those abs, who knows? The point and 
shoot sort of thing that they also talk about sounds like it would be 
exceedingly frustrating for a totally blind person. And Thomas Dawnville admits 
that, saying that it’s probably better for someone with low vision who can see 
what they want but can’t read it.

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> On Sep 20, 2023, at 4:25 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
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> Text detection, a new feature in IOS 17 requires LiDAR. I'm not sure what 
> this does and how it's different than the text detection I get with the 
> camera now, but I don't have a LiDAR phone to test this with. 
> https://www.applevis.com/podcasts/quick-tour-some-notable-new-enhanced-accessibility-features-ios-17
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> 
> The magnifier built-in to iOS.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
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> Hi Richard,
> 
> When you mention the magnifier, are you referring to a specific app?
> 
> Thanks,
> Pam
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> -Original Message-
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> Richard Turner
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> Subject: Re: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
> 
> It does help with the door detection feature in the magnifier. Also the image 
> description and text identification and people ID in the magnifier as well. 
> There are a few apps using it for better object recognition and distance of 
> the object though I think that is only accurate within 15 or 20 feet or 
> something. The hope is more app developers will find ways to use it. But, at 
> this point, unless any of those things are high on your list of important 
> features, it may not be worth the extra money just for that. Note, you get a 
> better processor chip in the pro models too along with possibly better 
> battery life, so it isn't just LIDAR that you get in the pro phones.
> 
> Richard, USA
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>> On Sep 20, 2023, at 2:06 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
>> 
>> Hi I am in a simmiler situation as you. I need to get a new phone I am 
>> running the I phone 8 and am thinking of getting the I phone pro 14 for the 
>> lidar feature and would like toknow what this does for us as blind people? I 
>> know about the door detection from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: September 20, 2023 4:58 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
>> 
>> My question sort of sums it up. I’m thinking about getting a new phone, 
>> although I could wait one more year, since this one is eligible for an 
>> upgrade this year. If I do get a new phone, I am contemplating whether it’s 
>> worth it to go for the pro because of lied AR. There was a lot of hype 
>> around it when it came out, and I haven’t heard much cents. What does it do 
>> for us in particular as blind people? I could care less about taking 
>> pictures except for the purposes of getting descriptions, texts, etc. In 
>> other words, regular photography interests me not one wit.
>> Mary
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Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

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My question sort of sums it up. I’m thinking about getting a new phone, 
although I could wait one more year, since this one is eligible for an upgrade 
this year. If I do get a new phone, I am contemplating whether it’s worth it to 
go for the pro because of lied AR. There was a lot of hype around it when it 
came out, and I haven’t heard much cents. What does it do for us in particular 
as blind people? I could care less about taking pictures except for the 
purposes of getting descriptions, texts, etc. In other words, regular 
photography interests me not one wit.
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Re: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE

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 If you have your voiceover shortcut set to where you can just turn it off and on that way, you could do that. Otherwise, tell Siri to turn voiceover off. Then tell Siri to turn voiceover back on. That should do it.This sounds like a recurrence of the annoying now you see it now you don’t bug where periodically, VoiceOver speech just decides to go away. In my experience, getting back to the home screen and waiting a couple of seconds brings it back. That’s on iOS 16. Before, when it was worse, I used to have to turn voiceover off and back on. That always worked. If you have your voiceover shortcut set to where you can just turn it off and on that way, you could do that. Otherwise, tell Siri to turn VoiceOver off. Then tell Siri to turn voiceover back on. That should do it. Also, are you sure you didn’t turn speech off accidentally? Three finger double tap toggle between turning speech off and speech on.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 20, 2023, at 1:06 PM, Paula Pinder  wrote:Hi AllI've updated my iPhone to IOS17 and I can no longer get it to speak. It plays the Voiceover sounds but no voice. Im using my husband's Android Samsung S10 phone and I cant get it to read everything properly like I could on the Iphone? Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks a lot.Best wishesPaula



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Finding downloaded videos on my iPad mini

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Somehow, I have managed to get a few videos on my iPad mini. This is according 
to the listing that shows up when you go into settings and then hit about. It 
tells you how many songs you have, how many apps, etc. And one of the things it 
says is that I have 12 videos. I do not want any videos, and I don’t know how 
to go about finding them so I can get rid of them. I have no videos on my 
Phone, so I’m really not at all sure how I managed to get 12 videos onto my 
iPad. Anyway, if somebody has a clue how I can find and nuke these suckers, 
that would be great.
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Video calling on WhatsApp with an iPhone

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I have never wanted to make a video call for obvious reasons. But now I want to 
be able to make one to some sighted folks, and I would like to do a video call, 
so I can show them stuff. I can’t figure out how to do it. I read some thing 
from a Google search that says go to the chat screen and near the top there 
should be a video button. I did not see that. So, does anybody know how to do 
this? I have successfully made several audio calls to these people, but I don’t 
know how to make a video call. The default is clearly audio. All help 
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Re: Be My Eyes AI

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Thanks a lot, John. I just wrote to them. My newest phone is an iPhone XR. The 
other one is even older than your eight, it’s a 7+.
Mary

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> On Sep 14, 2023, at 12:59 PM, realman02 via VIPhone 
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> Hi, Mary. I've used the Be My Eyes Be My AI feature for about a week on two 
> iPhones -- the Iphone 8 and 14-Pro. No difference in quality as far as I can 
> tell
> 
> It's done an incredible job on some stuff and an "okay" job on other stuff; 
> it's a fantastic tool. 
> If you want to get your name on the list of folks for early access, write to 
> i...@bemyeyes.com . 
> 
> John Riehl
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
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> 
> Hey richard,
> What model of iPhone are you using? Do you have LiDAR, and if so do you think 
> it helped? I haven’t really been paying any attention to this AI InVision 
> thing. But that description was pretty darn impressive.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 14, 2023, at 10:11 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Here is an example of the Be My Eyes AI description of a t-shirt that I 
>> have. I'll be using this app for clothing from now on.
>> 
>> T-shirt was just laying across my lap. So I didn't get a full view.
>> The picture shows a turquoise fabric, possibly a piece of clothing, with a 
>> colorful design on it. The design includes a yellow surfboard with the words 
>> "Hard Dock CAFE" written in red. The surfboard is adorned with flowers in 
>> various colors such as pink, red, purple, and yellow. There is also a white 
>> rope-like design that circles around the surfboard. Below the surfboard, 
>> there are words that are partially visible, which seem to say "Jones Valley 
>> Resort Shasta Lake".
>> 
>> 
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Re: Be My Eyes AI

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Hey richard,
What model of iPhone are you using? Do you have LiDAR, and if so do you think 
it helped? I haven’t really been paying any attention to this AI InVision 
thing. But that description was pretty darn impressive.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2023, at 10:11 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Here is an example of the Be My Eyes AI description of a t-shirt that I 
> have. I'll be using this app for clothing from now on.
> 
> T-shirt was just laying across my lap. So I didn't get a full view.
> The picture shows a turquoise fabric, possibly a piece of clothing, with a 
> colorful design on it. The design includes a yellow surfboard with the words 
> "Hard Dock CAFE" written in red. The surfboard is adorned with flowers in 
> various colors such as pink, red, purple, and yellow. There is also a white 
> rope-like design that circles around the surfboard. Below the surfboard, 
> there are words that are partially visible, which seem to say "Jones Valley 
> Resort Shasta Lake".
> 
> 
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Re: siri sucks.

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I have found that most of the time, Siri dictation is really pretty accurate, more on the phone than on the watch. I’m using an older phone, a 10 r. My problem with Siri isn’t trying to get it to do simple things like open apps etc. It simply doesn’t hear what I say and comes back with really strange stuff a lot of the time. The only thing it never screws up is Open the app store. I wonder why that might be. Smile.MarySent from my iPhoneOn Aug 28, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







Siri dictation has always been doing this although it does seem to be somewhat  more accurate in iOS 17.
One thing Siri never seems to get right is the difference between "Flour" and "flower", I can dicate "Pleas also bring me 2 Kg of spelt flour" and it will always put "Please bring me 2 Kg of spelt flower".
English of course is also a ridiculously difficult language when it comes to stuff like that, I find dictation in German is almost always 100% accurate because there aren't so many words which sound the same but are totally different. As
 for the above example, "flower" in German is "Blume" and "flour" is "Mehl", no chance to get that wrong.
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 11:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: siri sucks.


 
When i use dictation, sometimes the wrong word is entered, but certainly not the majority of the time. 

I try to 1: be in a quiet environment, 2: speak a little more slowly than I would ordinarily speak, 3: speak clearly, 4: Go over several times what I want to say in my head before dictating.


HTH, 


 


Richard, USA 


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(Sent from my iPhone)







On Aug 28, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Jenny Bomareto  wrote:




Hello all,

 


Whenever I'm dictating a text-message, e-mail, or whenever you use siri for dictation.  it puts whatever words it thinks should be in their.  I also don't have autocorrect turned on  either.  This is getting very irritating.


 


TIA in advance for your help.


Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
Jenny Bomareto



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Re: things to turn off to save battery

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I think it does completely dim the screen, which is why turning it to zero is a good thing. If mine is set to zero, my sighted husband cannot see anything. I never use the screen curtain, because I always have brightness at zero.Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 26, 2023, at 5:56 AM, realman02 via VIPhone  wrote:I thought that if you set brightness to 0 it would completely dim the screen.   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert Doc WrightSent: Saturday, August 26, 2023 2:54 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: things to turn off to save battery Number one, brightness unless you need it.- Original Message - From: Dennis Long To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 25, 2023 1:26 PMSubject: things to turn off to save battery What would people recommend to turn off to save on battery?  Thanks.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://wwwmail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/027101d9d78a%24080bf3c0%241823db40%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5a6001d9d7ea%2429152130%247001a8c0%40HPDesktop.



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Apple Music quietly added one of Spotify’s best features but made it better

[Mary Otten]

Apple Music quietly added one of Spotify’s best features but made it better
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It hasn't officially been announced yet, but Apple Music has a cool new feature 
that's designed to help you discover more music that you'll love. The new 
Discovery Station is live now, which means you can access it through your 
iPhone, iPad and in the web app on your Mac for most Apple Music subscribers.

The new personalized playlist is very similar to the Discovery Weekly feature 
in Spotify, making Apple even more competitive in the best music streaming 
service space. It sits next to 'Your name's' Station, but instead of playing 
music that's already in your library it plays music that it thinks you'll want 
to add to your library.

To access the Discovery Station playlist, go into the Apple Music app, select 
the Listen Now tab and then scroll down till you see the Stations for You 
section, which is where you'll find the new playlist tailored to your listening 
history.

What does the Discovery Station in Apple Music do?

The Discovery Station is an auto-generated playlist that analyzes your 
listening history to suggest new music. For me, that means moving from Lana Del 
Rey remixes I hadn't heard before to Maggie Rogers, Limp Bizkit – I'm blaming 
my eldest for that one – Self Esteem and Miley Cyrus before heading down a 
stadium rock direction.

It does appear to be picking up some songs that are in my library already, and 
I suspect that's because it considers special editions as separate albums. For 
example, it played me U2's The Miracle of Joey Ramone from Songs Of Innocence, 
but from a different version of the album U2 that Apple stuck on my iPod back 
in 2014. Ironically enough, I didn't like the song back then and I don't like 
it any more now.

It's still early days for the Discovery Station and I suspect like most 
algorithmic things it'll improve over time by remembering what you play on 
repeat or skip. At the moment, it appears to be assuming that everything in my 
library is equally good and equally desirable, and as I've had that library for 
decades now that really isn't the case. 

There are bands and artists in there I haven't listened to in years because my 
musical tastes have moved on. And if, like me, you listen to quite a lot of 
genres of music, the jumps between songs can be a bit jarring, such as the 
aforementioned jump from sad girl bangers to nu-metal. But I think it's a good 
station to have on while you do something else, and it's already introduced me 
to a bunch of new favorites.



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Re: Voice dream reader, TTS update

[Mary Otten]

Well, I wonder how much it cost them to give these voices for free. As somebody 
who has been a long time user of the app, and paid for some voices, I really 
hope they don’t use this as an excuse to start charging us. I don’t need any 
more voices. Also, I wish to goodness they would put what they’ve done for 
improvements into their update listing on the App Store. Somehow I managed to 
miss the fact that the voices were free, not that I care. I guess I just don’t 
trust these folks. 

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> On Aug 3, 2023, at 6:10 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
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> Its very cool to have the voices for free.  Maybe we'll have to pay
> for new voices in the future.  There are some great microsoft voices
> I'd love to have access to.  Some of the google voices are also very
> good.
> 
>> On 8/3/23, la...@comcast.net  wrote:
>> how interesting. I can use that to decide which voices to download on to my
>> other devices.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Richard Turner 
>> Date: Thursday, August 03, 2023 02:54 PM
>> To: ViPone list 
>> Subject: Voice dream reader, TTS update
>> 
>> Below is the phrase used to describe the latest update.
>> Version 4.20.3, 1d ago, We updated the voice management screen in Voice
>> Dream Reader. Give it a try and let us know what you think!
>> 
>> What they did was to now include all the voices. So, they are all included
>> now so you do not have to buy any voices. So, if you wanted to try some out
>> that you dicd not want to pay for, they are now free!
>> Richard, USA.
>> "What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little
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Re: How to access a Facebook group that you have joined using your iPhone

[Mary Otten]

Thanks a bunch. I was actually in that menu thing, and I saw the shortcut, but 
said to myself: I don’t have any shortcuts. What are they talking about? So 
thank you very much.
Mary


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> On Aug 1, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
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> You can ttry to tap the bottom right tab, "Facebook Menu", then select "Top 
> Shortcuts" and then "Groups".
> 
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 11:47 AM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: How to access a Facebook group that you have joined using your iPhone
> 
> Hi all,
> I was on Facebook several years ago and got off intending never ever to 
> darken their door again. However, due to some circumstances, I’m back on 
> there at least for a little while. I have successfully joined two groups, one 
> of which I had to be admitted to as it’s private, the other of which is 
> public. Now I am trying to figure out how to actually post to a group. I see 
> tabs across the bottom, none of which is “groups“. One of them is home, which 
> is where I am when I try to do this. I have seen messages from groups that I 
> joined, but if I hit compose the choices I get don’t include sending to a 
> specific group. Friends, The public on Facebook, and I don’t remember what 
> else, but not groups. So my question is: how do I enter a group and then post 
> messages to it and subsequently see my replies. I don’t have friends there on 
> Facebook in general. I’m only there because of these groups. So all I want is 
> groups access. I’m obviously missing some thing and would appreciate help.
> Mary
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