Re: braille display with iPhone 7

[Paul Richard McGann]

bonnie,


likewise. it is ios itself, as i noticed enginnengineers, and devleopers 
robably fixed little. i did spoke up to aple accfessiblity team about 
weird behaivors as we had to keep hitting space bar plus dot 3,6 each 
time. but now bodily message becomes automatic edit. that is great as no 
need to hit space bar plust dot 3,6.



i don't know if you have noticed or they might not changed yet.


sometimes ios drives our nerves to the walls.


sincerely,

rich


On 8/23/2018 1:46 PM, Rizzino, Bonnie wrote:


Hi,

I am having a strange problem with text messaging using my iPhone 7 
and a refreshabraille. I realize that it is an older display, but it 
is still supported according to phone settings.


When writing a text, I seem not to be able to finish it with the 
display. It often doesn’t accept the last word of my text.


Just curious, any ideas?

Thanks.

Bonnie Rizzino

Case Manager

Blind and Vision Rehabilitation Services of Pittsburgh

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airplane

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all,


i need hep to change back to normal. if i accidently hitbutton and 
airplane pops up and i try to avoid and hit space bar plus dot 1,2, but 
somehow, i hit button accidently and airplane is on. how can i use 
iphone to use fingers to turn off airplane to resume it back to normal? 
please help. thank you!



respectfully,

rich


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Re: best braille display in general

[Paul Richard McGann]

eden, it is okay. wink! do you use iphone to make messages? if so, 
sometimes your messages appear at the bottom of the post without 
realizing. few times, i check and find my messages shown at the bottom. 
i don't know why. i had to cancel and redo until i make sure it is on 
top. wink!




On 2/5/2018 12:54 AM, Eden wrote:

Sorry for that. They're not blank I don't think. For some unon reason, since 
Ios 11, sometimes my messages don't start where they should. I'll make a note 
to be more careful.



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Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all,


it is annoying. i did show up at apple store and the guy checked and 
he tried to turn it off. he ran to show technican and technician tried 
to turn off. they saw that it keeps coming bakc.



the guy at apple store suggests for all of you to let accessibility 
team andengineering know that it is annoying.



two guys at apple store were shocked at someone for accessibility team 
said it is importnat to leave it on and leave it alone. two felt that 
someone is acting weird.



we need you to voice out to tell apple headquarter to turn off this.


sincerely,

rich



On 2/3/2018 10:24 PM, Robin Frost wrote:

H,
I did that and it worked for a while but now sadly hath come back and 
I know not why (sad face).

Robin (who’s about to do this yet again)
*From:* Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Saturday, February 3, 2018 2:45 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: turning off do not disturb while driving

Just set it to automatic and back to manual and you never get the 
notifications again.


If that doesn’t work, set it to automatic, then close all apps and 
reboot your phone, now set it to manual and do another reboot. I 
don’t think it[‘s necessary, though, just setting it to automatic and 
back to manual should do it.


*From:*'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 02, 2018 11:48 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

I totally agree here. Nonsense to have it on and just check each 
time, in case there's anything to know about ...


Carol P

On 9/26/2017 8:45 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

You actually can’t turn it off, the setting is “manual” or
“automatic”, but while mine is set to manual I also get the
notifications.

This is one example where Apple should simply disable this if
Voiceover is running, I don’t know too many sighted people who
use Voiceover and neither do I know too many blind folks who sit
behind the wheel.

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Suzanne Wilson
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:49 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Cc:* Kathy Brack mailto:kathymbr...@gmail.com
*Subject:* Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

If you turn off Bluetooth, you will not get this reminder. That’s
the only way I have found to make it stop.
Suzanne

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Kelby Carlson
 wrote:

Same here. I get notified of it every time I'm on metrorail
even though I've turned it off in settings.

On 9/26/2017 1:41 PM, Kathy Brack wrote:

I have it turned off and I still get thr the message even
on the boat.

Kathy Brack

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keao Wright
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 1:23 PM
*To:* VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: turning off do not disturb while driving



On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 7:21:46 AM UTC-10, Keao
Wright wrote:

Thanks, I didn't know it was in the set up screen,
could I reset and try it again? I only see three
options with Bluetooth, manually, and no off option
in the heading when I looked last night.

On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 7:04:45 AM UTC-10,
Joney wrote:

Go to settings, do not disturb, and it is under
the heading do not disturb while driving. You can
have it on or off. It also asked you when you
first set up the phone, for those who haven’t
done so yet. I keep it off, since I don’t drive. :-)

Joney

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 wrote:

Hi all,

Is their a way to turn off do not disturb
while driving in IOS 11?

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Re: best braille display in general

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all,


i am fan  of focus 40 blue original. i know about focus 14, but i wish 
to have 20. you can voice out to vfo groups and encourage them to try to 
produce 20 as to make reading faster. wink!



i did share feedback with vfo groups colleagues, and they want to hear 
for you if yo want 20 instead of 14, let them know.



sincerely,

rich



On 2/4/2018 12:13 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
Oh I’d be fine with the 20 cells. I don’t like large braille displays. 
I’d love the Focus 14 the most.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, andPowerpoint instructor certified 
by World Services for the Blind


On Feb 4, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe 
> wrote:


*The only thing at this point I wish the Orbit 20 had is 40 cells... 
After awhile, hitting the panning switch gets tiring. *

*From:* llump...@austin.rr.com 
*Sent:* Sunday, February 04, 2018 12:05 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* RE: best braille display in general
From the demos I’ve heard, its refresh rate was very slow and made a 
left-to-right thrashing sound when it refreshed. From the techtalk 
podcast of the Braille Me, I think its refresh rate is much faster 
and much quieter.
*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Devin Prater

*Sent:* Sunday, February 4, 2018 11:02 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: best braille display in general
I wish I could get my hands on an orbit for a while, to see if it’s 
durable enough to use for years. I know, at $400, even if it isn’t 
durable, it’s cheap enough to replace every few years.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified 
by World Services for the Blind



On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe 
> wrote:
*Hi, thank you for this reply... I for many years, have not spent 
money on products such as Braille Displays or Printers and other 
high priced devices.  Before I pull the    trigger on a nice Braille 
Display, I need to know that what I choose, I will find that the 
money is well spent.*
*I am using the Orbit 20 and absolutely love it!!  I read books and 
played a bit with the remote I Os side of it.  My only problem is, I 
just don’t have any idea of the others besides the Vario Ultra 40 of 
which I had about an hour demo with. $4,000 scared me especially 
that there was around $400.00 warranty.  Too much money for 
uncertainty.  Again, thank you for your reply.  Andy and Shubert*


*From:*Devin Prater 

*Sent:*Sunday, February 04, 2018 11:45 AM

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com 

*Subject:*Re: best braille display in general

The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, 
the Micro USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots 
have now stopped working. No, I cannot recommend this display.

Devin Prater
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, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor 
certified by World Services for the Blind



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> wrote:
*Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not 
available so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 
Dots, and be able to save on a SD card what would I want?  I 
noticed that the Focus 40 5th generation has been well rated but, 
what are the cons?  Is the German Display the best?  I am using the 
Orbit 20 Beta testing but, the only other I actually had in my 
hands was the va?? forget the name.  Andy and Shubert*

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*President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging*
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Re: best braille display in general

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all,


i enjoy using refreshabrialle 18 and vario ultra 20 which are produced 
by baum. refreshabrailel  18 is great with battery longivity. vari ultra 
20 is great with keyboard sa to have chords instead of using space bar. 
gtreat. but battery, yes. since it is also notetaker, too. both are good.



andrew, for orbit, i was told that orbit doesn't have joystick and 
doesn't have cursor and doesn't have navigator buttons. is that true??? 
if not true, i woudl take orbit as if ithey have navignavigator buttons, 
cursor, and joystick.  please explain to us. thank you!



sincerely,

rich



On 2/4/2018 11:54 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe wrote:
*Hi, thank you for this reply... I for many years, have not spent 
money on products such as Braille Displays or Printers and other high 
priced devices. Before I pull the    trigger on a nice Braille 
Display, I need to know that what I choose, I will find that the money 
is well spent.*
*I am using the Orbit 20 and absolutely love it!! I read books and 
played a bit with the remote I Os side of it.  My only problem is, I 
just don’t have any idea of the others besides the Vario Ultra 40 of 
which I had about an hour demo with.  $4,000 scared me especially that 
there was around $400.00 warranty.  Too much money for uncertainty.  
Again, thank you for your reply.  Andy and Shubert*

**
*From:* Devin Prater 
*Sent:* Sunday, February 04, 2018 11:45 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: best braille display in general
**
The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the 
Micro USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have 
now stopped working. No, I cannot recommend this display.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, andPowerpoint instructor certified 
by WorldServices for the Blind


On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe 
> wrote:
*Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not 
available so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 
Dots, and be able to save on a SD card what would I want?  I noticed 
that the Focus 40 5th generation has been well rated but, what are 
the cons?  Is the German Display the best?  I am using the Orbit 20 
Beta testing but, the only other I actually had in my hands was the 
va?? forget the name.  Andy and Shubert*

*Andrew J. LaPointe
Co-Chairman
Salem Commission on Disabilities
President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
34 Raymond Ave.
Salem, MA. 01970
Home, 978-745-4289 cell, 978-578-0185*
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Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all,


i hhad been braillist ats chool for blind for the  rest of 13 years. i 
got along with six-dot and eight-d


ot. when i do duxbury, it is always six-dot after converting print 
documents into braille. i get them embossed into braille materials and 
pass the books and others to kids.



on iphone, if you use iphone, you get braille display, then hit space 
bar plus dot 2,3,6 as you would notice option fro eight-dot to 
six-dot. you can enjoy reading books and texts on six-dot option. no 
problems.



janet, like deaf read captions on tv, i did read captions. sometimes i 
noticed some typo errors. i had to get used to this as i did follow 
the captions so well. now i am totally deafblind, i can't see captions 
anymore. i do get notes form friends who say sometimes they can't read 
cpations due to tech changes. same idea siri can say words but people 
are careless not to edit. once i got email from the city's ada 
coordinator who is sighted and hearing. i read his email and i 
reminded him that he was using siri. he was shocked as everyone who 
are my city-county task force on disabilities laughtedas he asked me 
how i know. is said because he didn't edit it as when he said about 
his frustration with his co-workers. he said, "bare with me..." and i 
remind him to look at the word and he got bylushed. i am sure everyone 
laughing as he was tryign to say "bear with me..." that is all.



sincerely,

rich



On 2/4/2018 1:21 AM, Richard Turner wrote:


The extra two dots allow you to have a cursor so you actually know 
where you are editing.
The cursor is dots 7 and 8. And, by the way, I grew up with six dots 
as well.
Also if someone wanted to read in computer braille, you have to have 
the extra dots. But as someone pointed out, that is not the target 
audience for the BrailleMe device.

I'm just glad there are finally braille displays that are affordable.
The more the merrier.
Richard



“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world 
quieter.”


- Mitch Albomfrom The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1


On Feb 3, 2018, at 9:01 PM, Janet Bell > wrote:


Hi Richard I grew up with six-dot braille so prefer it I have never 
really understoodd why we need two more dots as we can use signs   Janet


-Original Message- From: Andy Baracco
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

If you go to 
https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.accessibleworld.org=02%7C01%7C%7Cf0e50b9b4fd847999e0d08d56b8c4ddb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636533172710116240=nId2KTBLjwbvjdTUe5tJ62isKZBI9keVSMpyVVUdn1o%3D=0 
you can download a recent podcast on

this device.

Andy

- Original Message - From: "Janet Bell" 
>

To: >
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth


what is the braille me p.lease.

-Original Message- From: llump...@austin.rr.com 


Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 4:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

We're waiting for the Braille Me. We heard the president of the 
company on
techtalk last Monday and we were very impressed. I highly recommend 
giving

it a listen and giving the product a look.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 9:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

What it comes down to is personal preference.
I'm waiting to get my hands on the Orbit Reader 20 to see how it 
compares to

other displays.
I've used:
HIMS Braille Edge 40,
Baum's Vario Ultra 20 and 40,
Humanware's Braillliant BI,
Freedom Scientific's Focus 40 and 14; not to mention several of the full
braille note takers.

Of the above list, the HIMS BrailleEdge 40 was my favorite.  But, 
when it
died after 3 years and was going to cost close to $2,500 to repair 
when a
new one was just a little more, I decided to wait to see the Orbit 
20, which

I have not seen yet.

I liked the Braille Edge because it is quiet, solidly built, easy to 
switch
from USB to Bluetooth, has basic note taking functionality using an 
SD card

and comes with a 2 year warrantee.

It is too bad there are not places where you can go and test all the
displays to see which one fits your needs the best, because there is 
no one

display that is right for everyone.

HTH,
Richard



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Re: I went to buy an iPhone X. T-Mobile told me it wasn't worth it - CNET

[Paul Richard McGann]

mark,

I did check iphone x and investigated. no hme button, but only wants face to 
look at you to unlock.


it is silly of apple of doing this. that is because in past, after what 
happened in shootings in santa monica, fbi had iphones that belonged to 
shooters. fbi needed to opento investigate something, but apple came up to 
block as they refused to cooperate. it is because of perosnal issues as they 
can't break. I applauded apple for protecting privacy. as if someone would 
steal iphones like this. but for fbi and police reasons, it would be more 
helpful. like wallets. fbi and police don't care for  perosnal thigns, but 
they want to find ids and make sure of this. now, mark, apple has health 
app. one of my close friends got stabbed and he dialed 911 fro iphone and he 
was lying on sdewalk. olice came over and took care of his iphone. they 
checked for his health for blood type, for medicine, and others that would 
save his life. fbi didn't care for anything for his perosnal things.


I have health app as I use for my name, my medicine, my sister's name to 
contact for emergency as police can check and find out plus they can see 
what kind of communication methods I need. they can see who is my 
interpreter service. this would help police contacting interpreter service 
to arrange for itnerpreters to pop up for tactile communciaton.


mark, apple is missing a lot as they lack reality. they have forgotten about 
edward snowden sharing about nsa as why there are many issues. apple 
realizes this.


mark, my question is why do you care for iphone without home button?only 
press power button andf press home button to unlock. that is all.


mark, each time when we upgrade ios version, at the egining, it keeps 
repeating asking quesitons if we need touch, passcode, and face photo. I 
roll up eyes why wasting times ignoring as I click but they stay stubborn 
and it takes several minutes to get out of touch, passcode and photo and go 
on normal. I am tired. of all jokes.it is ridiculous for apple to do for 
blind and deafblind like this.


sincerely,
rich


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Subject: I went to buy an iPhone X. T-Mobile told me it wasn't worth it - 
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I went to buy an iPhone X. T-Mobile told me it wasn't worth it
Commentary: A visit to a T-Mobile store reveals some very particular
feelings about Apple's new phone.
December 3, 2017 9:00 AM PST

Not worth it?
César Salza / CNET
I think of T-Mobile most often when I see it's insulted Verizon and when I
see someone wear a pink tutu at a party.
Still, it's presented itself very well over the last couple of years as the
carrier that thinks most about customers, especially with its push toward
unlimited data.
Could it possibly be the store that would guide me toward buying the right
phone?
Regular readers might know that I've been visiting various retailers to see
how they present different phones to customers. You know, in person.
I've been to both a Verizon store and a Best Buy to learn about Pixel 2. In
both cases, I was guided toward a Samsung Galaxy.
I went to an AT store, where I was told that the Galaxy Note 8 was a
better phone than the iPhone X.
What would T-Mobile tell me?
I was moved to visit, as the carrier offered a 2-for-1 promotion on the
iPhone 8 last week.
Did this mean that T-Mobile was selling so many iPhone X's that it was
desperate to get rid of the lesser upgrade from last year's phone?
Was iPhone X the phone that would tear me away from my trusty, now slightly
rusty-looking iPhone 6?
I went to a San Francisco Bay Area T-Mobile store to find out.
It all started well enough
A sprightly salesman approached me as I looked over the iPhone range.
I showed him my iPhone 6. He didn't sneer. This was a good start. Not
everyone looks so kindly on old phones in the Bay Area.
He swiftly dismissed the iPhone 8 as a minor upgrade.
"You've got wireless charging, faster processor and you've got the glass
back. But it's pretty much the same phone as the one you've got," he said.
"But wait. Don't you have a 2-for-1 promotion going on for these right now?"
"That ended Monday. We've got a 2-for-1 on the Samsungs, but not on the
8's."
Was this the moment I was going to be told Samsungs were better? Not yet, it
seemed.
"Oh, so did you have the promotion because you needed to get rid of a lot of
8's?" I asked.
"No," he replied, a little too quickly. "It was just a promotion."
I then asked him about the iPhone X. He couldn't show me how Face ID works,
because each phone can only work with one person's face.
He insisted, though, that it was secure. "I think there's a million-to-one
chance that someone else's face will open your phone," he said.
iPhone X? It's not worth the extra 200 bucks
Then things took a strange turn.
He suddenly volunteered that it took more time to get to all your apps on
the X than it did with the iPhone 8 Plus.
"With the 8 Plus, you just 

app for color id

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all, 

after I upgraded ios 11, app color id and app say color no longer be used 
because developer has not upgraded version for both apps. 

is there another apps that would help us idenitify colors on clothing, 
materials and others??? thank you!

sincerely, 
rich 

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Re: Slow iPhone

[Paul Richard McGann]

thank you joe for letting us know.

ye,s as I have iphone 6. I notice slowness. not satisfied.  it takes long 
time to be turned off. it is long time to open next app, etc as it is so 
awful


I suggest for you to notify apple accessibility to let them know as one guy 
said to me that it takes time for iphone to program before shutting off. oh 
well1


sincerely,
rich


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From: Joe Orozco

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Subject: Slow iPhone

Hello,

After updating to iOS 11, my iPhone 6S has gotten sluggish. It takes
longer than usual to flick between items on the screen on certain
applications. If I’m touch typing and give it too many characters to
process, it tends to hang longer. Is anyone else noticing this, and if
so, what can you recommend? Thanks in advance.

Joe

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Re: Native Mail App

[Paul Richard McGann]

scott,

you need to go to junk and find them there as sometimes they pop up in junk 
folder by mistakes. I am waiting for apple accessiblity to responing.


rich


-Original Message- 
From: dollar...@gmail.com

Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2017 7:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Native Mail App

Hi,  Sorry for a late response.  I am using the native mail app for my 
email.  I have noticed that sometimes that I am missing some emails once a 
while.  I have a question for you all.  How can I stop the mail native app 
for missing some emails?  Does this has to do with the fetch?  Is there a 
way that I can turn the fetch offf?  Thank you,  Scott Dollar


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 30, 2017, at 5:28 PM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


If you go into accounts and password, you can turn push on for your Gmail 
account and you will get pretty immediate downloads for all new mail.


But no, Apple has not set the inbox up to delete all at once, but you can 
double tap on the edit button in the upper right corner, then double tap 
on the emails you want to delete and they will say selected then when you 
hit delete it will delete all the selected messages.


Richard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Kelby Carlson

Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 2:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Anthony Vece 
Subject: Re: Native Mail App

Also, because I have a Gmail account I can't get live fetching so don't
get up-to-date notifications when I get mail.



On 9/30/2017 2:35 PM, Anthony Vece wrote:
I never thought about using any other app.

The majority of my mail is gmail and, I still use the native app.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 8!!!

On Sep 30, 2017, at 2:22 PM, kelby carlson  
wrote:


How many of you use the iOS mail app over third party apps, and what 
would you say are its advantages?



Sent from my iPhone

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Re: How to Stop iOS from Prompting for an Update on your iOS Device

[Paul Richard McGann]

yes, cdorrect. you can choose later whenever yo want.

my hearing-sighted friends haven't upgraded their iphones 6 as they still 
stick with ios 8. they won't do anything about it as the were not hapy about 
the voices from iphone. they told me that they were happy with ios 7, but 
after ios 8, they were not happy about the sound and they refuse. that is 
all.


sincerely,
rich


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Subject: How to Stop iOS from Prompting for an Update on your iOS Device

Hello Everyone,

A week or so ago, some people were asking how to stop iOS from prompting for
the latest update.  I do not remember to which forum the question was
posted; nor do I remember if an answer was ever given.

However, based only on my own recent experience with two of my iOS devices,
it seems as though I have stumbled upon the answer.

Here is one of my recent scenarios:

1.
A dialog box popped up on my iOS 10.3.3 home screen informing me that iOS
11.01 was ready to be installed.  At this, I believe I had three options,
Install Now, Later, or See More Details.

2.
I selected Later.  To my surprised, I was prompted to enter my Touch ID
password.

3.
I entered my password.  Then, I received a dialog box informing me that in
order to proceed, I would have to agree to Apple's terms of service
agreement.  I had two buttons from which to select; "DISAGREE" and "AGREE".

4.
When given this choice I simply chose, now get ready for this, the
"DISAGREE" button.

That's it.

After doing so, not only am I no longer being prompted to update my device
to the latest release but, even better, the badge app number is no longer
being displayed on the Settings icon.

I am certain that when yet a newer update is once again downloaded to my
device,  I will receive another update prompt.  Assuming I do not wish to
install it, I only need to select the "DISAGREE" button in order to
discontinue the update prompt.

Give it a try.

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Re: IOS 11 and Braille Displays

[Paul Richard McGann]

I suggest you to go over settings, then general, then accessiblity, then 
voiceover. take a look at braille and find out why there are something. if you 
happen to have grade 2 uk or us or ueb. you would know why. you need to look at 
input and output for eight-dot as you can see . sometimes upgrading change 
settings itself little bit.  hope this heps. 


From: dollar...@gmail.com 
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: IOS 11 and Braille Displays

Hi,  Please call Hims tech support regarding about your Hims product situation. 
 That is why it is very important for you to contact the Hims tech support.  
Good luck.  Cheers,  Scott Dollar 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 24, 2017, at 7:58 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn  
wrote:


  My Hims Smart Beetle is practically unusable now since upgrading to IOS 11 on 
my 6S.  It speaks Italian and the contractions are completely different.  Are 
others having Braille display problems with the upgrade?

   

  Dulce

   


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Re: wish apple didn't eliminate posting to facebook with siri in IOS 11

[Paul Richard McGann]

rebecca, 

it is okay now. there are very slight monor bugs, but they can be resolved 
later. 

I have no problems with facebook, but for contact, facebook no longer keep 
photos forn contact. big shrugs!

so far, there are good way to keep up with any apps. I haven’t done with other 
apps,  but it takes time. I don’t use other aopps that don’t necessary bother. 


From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: wish apple didn't eliminate posting to facebook with siri in IOS 11

Hi Rebecca,

 

You should listen to Jonathan’s Podcasts. Yes, there are a few braille issues, 
but apart from these issues braille apparently has gotten a huge boost and 
Jonathan says he could not be happiewr with what Apple has done, I think the 
way he put it was that he said apparently Apple really had people involved here 
who understand braille and how it should work.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rebecca Ilniski
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 12:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wish apple didn't eliminate posting to facebook with siri in IOS 11

 

I chose not to upgrade this time which is unusual for me. I use Braille a lot 
and when these updates come out, I always feel sorry for those who have to use 
Braille especially those who are deaf-blind. I have a choice but I always feel 
like Braille is forgotten about. Hopefully they will address these issues in a 
future update. 

Rebecca and Zeb

email: rilni...@gmail.com

Twitter: applegirl1994


On Sep 21, 2017, at 12:33 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:

 

I wonder why it was removed? 

It may be reinstated in a future software update. 

I'll miss being able to send a quick post out to Facebook and Twitter, but at 
the moment I'm a lot more concerned about the braille issues. 

This is why I've left my iPad on 10.3.3 until they push out a patch to address 
these short comings. 
 

On 22/09/2017 2:26 AM, William James wrote:

  It does not appear you can. However, you can share webpages and other items 
but not through Siri. I have really not  used that feature from Siri.

  Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus


  On Sep 21, 2017, at 12:23 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Yes, but can you tell SIRI to do it?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of William James
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 9:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wish apple didn't eliminate posting to facebook with siri in 
IOS 11

 

You can still post to Facebook and Twitter on iOS 11. All you have to do is 
install the official Twitter and Facebook apps.

Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus


On Sep 21, 2017, at 10:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

  It will probably come back but it will be something Facebook and Twitter 
have to do and Apple has to allow them to do it.

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Chris Judd
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 7:43 AM
  To: viphone mailing list 
  Subject: wish apple didn't eliminate posting to facebook with siri in IOS 
11

   

  One of the main reasons I’m not upgrading to IOS 11, is the fact that you 
can no longer say to siri post to twitter, or facebook.

  I did that a lot, and that was easier for me to do, and I don’t know how 
the rest of you feel about that, but just thought I would share that.  I hope 
they will bring that back soon.

  Chris Judd
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Re: How to Display Your iPhone Signal Strength in Numbers in iOS 11

[Paul Richard McGann]

well, almot same as mine.
after downloading ios 11, I noticed weird thing popping up before apps, 
features, names, etc. like u, a, star, k not makign senses. a good friend of 
mine found something as I had to go to voiceover and go to braille, and I 
found status cells, and I entered and I saw two options left or right, as I 
can't find how to turn off. so I decided to hit right instead of left. the 
marks are on right as I ignore them. I am waiting to hear form apple 
accessiblity team to respond.
sometimes it is slow to open an app, and sometimes it is slow to lock when 
you want to turn off, and it would take time until it is turned off. I guess 
there are bugs that need to be fixed.



-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to Display Your iPhone Signal Strength in Numbers in iOS 11

Interesting, I remember I had this enabled once a long time ago, it may have 
been on my 5S, just now when Mark posted this I tried it on my 6S Plus and 
while it brought up the Field Test, I could not get it to display the signal 
strength this way at all. If somehow the Plus phones can't do that it would 
make sense.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Of Paul Sandoval

Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 7:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Display Your iPhone Signal Strength in Numbers in iOS 11

Mark,

In my experience the plus sized phones have trouble with this trick.
Just curious, do you have a plus phone?


On Sep 19, 2017, at 1:36 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Everyone,

Below, I am going to paste in the text that, up until now, it seems,
would place iOS in a permanent field test mode.  This would allow one
to see the strength of the cell signal in numbers, rather than in
bars.  For example, instead of displaying 1 of 5 bars it would display
-92.  The numbers are much more accurate in determining how much
signal strength is actually available.

However, after updating a Sprint phone, the following steps do not
appear to work.

I am wondering if this is just a Sprint issue or is this option no
longer available in iOS 11.

To be clear, the steps below do place the phone in field test mode
but, so far, I cannot get the setting to remain permanent.

Can anyone please confirm this for me?

Please let me know what cell network you're using also.

Thank you,.

Okay, below my signature, you will see the steps to take.

Just so you know, these steps, will in no way damage your device or
service for it is used by service technicians from time-to-time.

Mark

How to Display Your iPhone Signal Strength in Numbers Info

I have seen 2 different methods of putting your iPhone in Field Test
mode permanently in iOS 7, a short one and a long one.

The short way:

1.
Open your phone app and dial *3001#12345#*  and press send/call. (I
recommend putting this in your Notepad so can copy and paste it. You
will need it several times.)

2.
Press and hold the power button until the slide to close appears.
3.
Hold the home to kill the Field Test mode app (In iOS 7 it will
restart, in iOS 6 it is now permanent.)

4.
Repeat step 2 and 3 a couple of times.

5.
Tap the home button to close Field Test mode.

6.
Repeat steps 1-3 (With a little bit of luck it will work the first
time here. I am usually able to get it the first time here. If not
keep
repeating.)

7.
When it works you will see the Field Test mode actually close and NOT
restart. When this happens it is now permanent.

The long way:

1.
Open your phone app and dial *3001#12345#* and press send/call.

2.
Press and hold the power button until the slide to close appears.

3.
Slide the slide bar to turn your phone off.
4.
Turn your phone back on.

5.
It should now be permanent.







Here are the instructions from Redmond Pie:

1.
Dial *3001#12345#* on your iPhone then press Call.

2.
You'll now enter Field Test mode. You'll notice a signal strength
indicator on the upper left hand corner of your screen. You can toggle
between signal strength bars and a number by simply tapping on it. At
this point, press the home button to exit the app or if you would like
the feature to be permanent, continue on. Don't worry, the process is 
completely reversible.


3.
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bar. Do not power off the device.

4.
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your home screen.

That's it. Even when restarting the iPhone, the signal strength can be
toggled between bars and numbers. The closer your number is to zero,
the stronger your signal is.

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minus sign when evaluating (so, if the signal says -60, that's better 
than -90).


To return to the default bars permanently, follow these steps:

1.
Dial *3001#12345#* on your iPhone 

Re: help, getting braille files attached to iPhone email somehow

[Paul Richard McGann]

richard,

I was told that brailliant and apex can do the way. as they are braille 
displays.  big shrugs!


sincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Turner

Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: help, getting braille files attached to iPhone email somehow


Can you not send the email from the Braillenote?

I'm not aware of any way to send the file from your iPhone if it is on the 
Braillenote.

Richard


On Aug 23, 2017, at 6:03 PM, regina alvarado  
wrote:


Hi: any ideas would be gratefully appreciated. I am taking a course of 
UEB. I would like to not have to send lessons snail mail. It was suggested 
I use an app from APH called Visual Brailler, but of course, now that I 
need it, App Store no longer carries it. I figured out I could write 
lessons on my braillenote, put braillenote on my phone as a braille 
display and attach my braille file to email. Can someone tell me if this 
is possible and how to do it? If this is not my answer do I have any 
options to do this or am I stuck with snail mail. Remember, my lessons 
must be attached since they need to be braille not print. Again, thanks 
for the help. My poor non-techie brain is fried trying to figure this out. 
Everything I thought ended up in print. LOL!




Reggie and Lex

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Re: IPad Pro 10.5

[Paul Richard McGann]

mariassa,

follow what the apple rep told you. time is changing. remind that if it is 
microsoft computer (pc), don't forget window 10 is changing. all ios 
versions change. all different apps upgrade versions. oh well1 it can be 
very rough and frustrated.


big shrugs,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: dollar...@gmail.com

Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 12:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPad Pro 10.5

Hi,  Well, the latest iPad has changed lately.  The Aple representative is 
correct.  Please understand that the technology has already changed lately. 
All Apple sales representatives, tech geek, tech suport, and etc are able to 
tell you the latest facts of changings.  Hope this help and honest to be 
clear.  Cheers,  Scott Dollar


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:44 PM, marissasol...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello all,
I purchased an iPad Pro 10.5 inch latest model last Thursday. The iPad 
works well and charges perfectly when connected with the wall plug into an 
outlet.  My question however, is when I plugged in my iPad to my computer 
it said not charging. I was told by an Apple representative that according 
to them the computer cannot provide enough power to charge the iPad. I 
wanted to find out if that has been anybody else's experience? or if I 
should swap out the iPad for another one ?


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Re: The focus 14 or 20 line

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all,

there are only two models of focus 14 and 40 only.


there are othre braille displays that have 20 such as vario ultra 20, orbit 
20 (upcoming from american printing house for blind) and I can';t place 
other names. I know mini perkins 20, but it is roduced by seika. I was told 
that seika might change. I don't know.


sincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Sharonda Greenlaw

Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 4:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The focus 14 or 20 line

First of all, there is no Focus 20 braille display. You either get a Focus 
40 or a Focus 14. They can connect to two devices—1 via USB and the other 
via Bluetooth. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me.


Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse any mistakes


On Aug 1, 2017, at 6:19 PM, Larry Lumpkin  wrote:

there isn't a focus 20 that I know of.


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How many devices can the focus 14 or 20 connect too?

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Re: The focus 14 or 20 line

[Paul Richard McGann]

scott,

remind you, fs is former name. it is merged with other comnay now. it is 
now:


www.vfogroup.com

hope this helps you.

sincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: dollar...@gmail.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 12:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The focus 14 or 20 line

Hi,  Folks here have already mentioned as 14 and 40 for the focus blue.  It 
is only just connect just one bluetooth.  Where did you got the idea as 20 
cell for focus?  In fact there is no 20 cell for the Focus.  You can check 
the website for more information.  Www.freedomscientific.com  Hope this help 
you.  Cheers,  Scott Dollar


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How many devices can the focus 14 or 20 connect too?

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Re: Using a braille display to write braille on an iPhone

[Paul Richard McGann]

karen,

with my sad face, I have acknowledged as I have been told that there are 
many issues with humanware braille displays as humanware has not solved with 
apple at all.


somehow, according to voiceover, there are two different options of braille 
yo like as yo stay with standard grade two or newly unified english braille. 
yo can choose. I keep with standard grade two and also I have both braille 
input and brialle output. don't forget eight-dot and six-dot option. I am 
using varioultra 20 and refreshabrialel 18. both are dong very well. hope 
thisgive yo some idea. wink!


sincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: dollar...@gmail.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using a braille display to write braille on an iPhone

Hi Mary,   I believe that between Humanware is still having issues with it. 
I do not have any issues with the braille input.  I do not use Humanware.  I 
use the Focus 40 Blue works fine with it as no issues.  Hope this help you. 
Cheers,  Scott Dollar


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

I know that in the past, there have been fairly serious issues regarding 
the writing of braille on an iPhone when you use a braille display. I 
haven't really kept up with this, but now, I am interested to know if 
braille input is more reliable, or if displays, such as the humanware, 
still lock up, or if there are issues with grade two and words coming out 
strangely. Did they fix that?

Mary

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Re: Read2Go Bug?

[Paul Richard McGann]

angela,

please let me know if you got my private email in your private email. hope 
everything s is okay.


hapy fourth of july!

respectfully,
rich

-Original Message- 
From: Angela L Griffith

Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 5:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Read2Go Bug?

Make sure you're actually signed into your Bookshare account in Read2aGo by 
opening Read2Go, tapping settings then checking weather it says signed in or 
signed out. If it says signed out, then you'll need to sign in. If it says 
signed in, try signing out then back in. I know this sounds 
counterintuitive, but it typically resolves some issues along those lines.


Hope it helps,

Angela L Griffith
Sent from my mobile phone


On Jul 2, 2017, at 12:16 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:

Being that I use Voice Dream to read my Bookshare books, I can not answer 
your specific questions. But the following might help in the future. I 
never search for books within Voice Dream, rather, I use Safari to log 
into my account, and use Bookshare's search feature. If I find the book 
for which I am searching, I select the format I want, then tap the 
download button. When it finishes, Voice Dream is one of the options to 
open it. I no longer have Read To Go on my phone, but I'll bet it also 
would be one of the options to open your download.


Arnold Schmidt


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

On Jul 2, 2017, at 3:04 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:



Hi,

I'm having an issue with Read2Go and wonder if anybody's run across this 
one before.  Last night I used Read2Go to search for books by Paul Selig, 
an author who was featured on Coast To Coast, a nationally syndicated 
radio show. When I searched for this author, five titles showed up in the 
results list but they were listed as unavailable even though I could see 
the details for each title. I bought some of them using iBooks and just 
moments ago was able to download them from Bookshare using my laptop.  I 
could have saved myself some money and I'm not very pleased about having 
spent it needlessly in iBooks. Why did Read2Go show those books as 
unaivable? Are my Read2Go settings out of whack? Can I get a refund for 
those books from Apple?


Thanks,
Tom


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Re: GPS get current address

[Paul Richard McGann]

paul,

could you please share with me in private. I need to ask you qauesiton in 
private.


my home email is

rkmcg...@comcast.net

thank you,
rich


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 3:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: GPS get current address

Lelia,

I think what you are wanting to accomplish can be done with Ariadne, which 
is around $5 or $6 instead of the cost of BlindSquare or Nearby Explorer. 
Ariadne will not announce streets although it can give you an approximate 
address, But you can create custom points of interest easily.
Once you have created your points of interest you can bring focus to a point 
and you will get a clock face tracking announcement along with the 
approximate distance to the point. It does a good job of using the compass 
if you happen to lose internet connectivity.


One can also use the native maps apps with tracking with heading turned on, 
and this will announce major points of interest as well as street crossings.

I hope this helps.


On Jul 3, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Lelia  wrote:

Hi all, thanks Richard for the advice about both nearby explorer as well 
as Blind square.  I looked up about  both of them.  Here is my question, I 
am not a good traveler therefore I don't usually use any GPS or anything 
like that.  So my questions is if I were to get blindsquare, how would I 
put a point of interest in it? Does it give those kind of instructions? 
Like I said, I don't really even know how to use a GPS.  So this is all 
kind of new to me, I did once walk around using I think it was either 
aridne or blind square I don't remember and it was really cool how it 
would announce streets and such.


Thanks

Lelia

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: GPS get current address

I believe you can do this with Nearby Explorer or Blind Square.  Probably 
Seeing Eye GPS as well.


Richard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Lelia

Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 8:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: GPS get current address

Hi, Speaking of GPS and getting addresses and such.  I have a question but 
in order to ask I have to explain things a bit.


I am moving to a new place and what I want to do is learn to go from my 
place to both the mailboxes and the dumpsters and back to my place.  Is 
there a way I could say go from my place and get to the mailbox with some 
help then somehow put my mailbox as a point of interest? And do the same 
with the dumpsters?


Thanks for any tips.

Lelia

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Subject: RE: GPS get current address

Siri will at least give you the hundred block, like 3300-3399 Main street.

Richard

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Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 4:12 PM
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Subject: GPS get current address

Use Siri to find out your current location.  activate Siri and ask where 
am I


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Re: braille display to use with iPhone?

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to all,

orbit has not been out yet. friends keep contacted american printing house 
for orbit, and it is said not ready. still waiting.


respectfully,
rich


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Hi Reggie,  Here are 3 different good braille displays.  Focus 14 Blue, 
Vario Ultra 20, and Hims Smart Beattle 14 are good.   I would not suggest 
the orbit reader 20 cell at all.   Hope this help you.   Cheers,  Scott 
Dollar


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Looking for a relatively cheap and small braille display. I want to use 
with iPhone. Am I being unrealistic or does anyone have suggestions? 
Thanks for any assistance.




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cfurious about app

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all, 

have you tried an app called SkipTheDishes at all? it is kind of app that you 
could order food or meal to be delivered from any resturant that could do 

anywaym, after updating ios 10.3.2, I got puzzled how new app showing up as it 
is called clover. have you tried? thanjk you!

sincerely, 
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Re: MapMyWalk tracking and treadmill

[Paul Richard McGann]

just wonder if it is accessible to brialle users? thank you! 


From: Richard Turner 
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Subject: RE: MapMyWalk tracking and treadmill

In the app description, it mentions using it during a yoga workout, so I would 
imagine it works on a treadmill.

 

Richard

 

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Hello list,

I use MapMyWalk for when I walking with my wife, but was curious to know if it 
can also work while on the treadmill? I know it uses GPS when out and about, 
but with the built in iPhone pedometer can it also record activity? Distance by 
going off the steps for example? I like MapMyWalk because it announces when 
I’ve walked a mile, speed, time splits,  etc. Am going to get a manual 
treadmill since I don’t feel like paying a premium for all the visual stuff I 
can’t use anyway and if possible, would like to keep using the same app to log 
my walks.

Alternatively, is there a similar treadmill/walking app that will also announce 
distance walked and time? I used to use iTreadmill back in the day, but never 
really got the hang of it and it seems to not have been updated in forever 
anyway.

Thanks,

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Re: anyone else having facebook issues?

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all,

for you having facebook issues ike crashing down and also messenger issues, 
go to apple store and let technicians see for themselves and they report to 
apple team and they can let facebook know of this. like jake at south hills 
village apple store, he saw what happened and he reported to the apple team 
about it. so he got me remove messenger and reinstall it back on. do the 
same thign with facebook remove, and reinstall and it should be better.


sincerely,
rich


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Subject: anyone else having facebook issues?

hi,

I'm in ios latest version, i phone SE and facebook app updated at the
moment,

but I'm experimenting troubles, every time I open up the app, it just
crushes...

anyone else having this issue?



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facebook messenger

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all, 

after facebook has updated new versions of its messenger app. it is rough 
sometimes as when I see the changing of system. it could be very complicated. 

somehow, wheni was talking to few friends, I use braille display and I type 
statements, but suddenly I was sent home instead of finishing statements. I 
struggled to get back, but not working as I was kept put in home. so I asked 
apple accessibility team fo rhep, but they fail to follow up as they  had not 
seen what is going on. they said for me to tlak with facebook, but I todl them 
I did try an d facebook has not helped at all. 

then last week I was at apple store for monthly sessions, I showed guy what is 
going on with messenger. he saw what happened. he talked with apple 
accessibility team and the team came out with clueless as they were definitely 
lost.. the guy expalined what happened as he witnessed what was going on. then 
the guy decided forget it. he asked me to remove the app and reinstall the app 
back on. I did remove and reinstall, and it was much better. I continue going 
through with messenger now. 

so far, if you are stuck with some issues with messenger, remove the app and 
reinstall app and it turns out better. sometimes upgrading version along with 
ios versions could create problems. 

sincerely, 
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Re: Looktel Recognizer future

[Paul Richard McGann]

I have used looktel money. I have had it for years and the name is changed 
to moneyreader. no problems.


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From: dollar...@gmail.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 10:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looktel Recognizer future

Hi,  More understanding is that the Looktel Money reader has already changed 
the name since last year that I believe so.  Hope this help you.  Cheers, 
Scott Dollar


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On Mar 29, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Ramy Moustafa  
wrote:


Hell:
Yes it's working, but from time to time it asks the developer to bring 
updates.

I'm using instead of Looktel Money reader, I Take pictures for all my
national Pound, and use them on the Looktel recognizer, so hope it
will stil forever


On 3/30/17, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
Even though I had used it earlier today with no problem, I checked it 
just
before writing this message, and it still works fine on my iPhone 6, 
running

10.3. I would consider it a tragedy if it stopped working. I don't use it
often, but when I need it, I need it.

Arnold Schmidt


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

On Mar 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
wrote:

Hello all:
From long time ago, we didn't see any updates to the Looktel
Recognizer, and am sure that  in a moment, the app will no longer
work.
I was having an app on my iPhone and it's developer didn't bring any
updates to it at all.
now, when I open the app, it didn't open at all.

So, I think we must try to send emails to the Looktel Company TO
produce updates to there app.
Any ideas?



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Re: what about brail sluggishness in ios10.3

[Paul Richard McGann]

erytthing is very well.


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what about brail sluggishness in ios10.3

It's the same as in 10.2.1, but improved over 10.2.

HTH,
Scott

On 3/27/17, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

Hi folks

How is brail acting and reacting in the latest new ios version? Is typing
with a brail device still so sluggish?
Regards
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Re: Accessable sports games

[Paul Richard McGann]

I would love to play sports games if I can use braille display.


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:40 PM
To: vi phone
Subject: Accessable sports games

Hi.  Are there any accessable sports games for the iphone?  Thanks.

Terri

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Re: nearby explorer

[Paul Richard McGann]

thank you, and is it more accessible for brailel display this time as if it is 
upgraded? please let me know. thank you! 


From: Kristeen Hughes 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: nearby explorer

I have used several GPS apps and I absolutely love Nearby Explorer. It’s worth 
every penny I spent! It’s invaluable to me when I walk and am riding a bus. It 
is quite responsive and I don’t want to leave home without it. 

In my opinion, GPS is one area where designing for blindness is a big, 
necessary plus. There are things we just need to know about our environment 
that sighted people already have as a given. Having used both mainstream apps 
and those designed with blindness in mind, I much prefer the latter.

Hope this is helpful.

Kristeen

  On Feb 20, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Becky Hesselmeyer <platinum42...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  I agree, it is a little pricey.  But it does a great job especially in 
unfamiliar areas and can tell you were bus stops are

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Feb 19, 2017, at 8:56 PM, Denise Barajas <dbaraja...@gmail.com> wrote:


Nerby Explorer has been one of the best apps I have used. It's a bit 
expensive, but I honestly don't regret buying it. It certainly helps out with 
unfamiliar areas. I've used it once or twice during a time like that. It's very 
handy, despite the price. Oh yeah, it does rquire at least 4 gigs of your 
device space to work properly when downloading the maps and the like. Hope this 
helps

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wrote:

  to all, 

  anyone, have you tried app clled nearby explorer designed by american 
printing house for blind at all?

  if so, what is your thought of this app? thank you! 

  sincerely, 
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Re: vibration not working on silent

[Paul Richard McGann]

jed and jenn,

I still have iphone 6, and if you go to setting, go to sounds, then go to 
sound and vibration, you cn check to make sure it is something you need to 
turn on.


also, I did suggest apple accessibility team to try to advice developers 
about special updated version to put new volume such as strong vibration or 
weak vibration as you can adjust as comfort you. so I expalined to the team 
that there are some people who have diabetes or other disorders as they can’t 
feel vibrations very good. it is important for makign easier to add strength 
of vibration.


I hope that you can notify apple accessiblity team to pass your view.

sincerely,
rich

-Original Message- 
From: Rajmund

Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 10:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: vibration not working on silent

Hi,
And, while the phone is muted,  till it stops vibrating, you can't slide to 
answer.




Sent from a Braille Sense

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From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Saturday, February 18, 2017 5:59 pm
Subject: RE: vibration not working on silent




I think Apple needs to do a bunch of work around this and decide on how to 
handle various scenarios. I can confirm that when the mute switch is on 
and somebody calls my phone does the one short vibration and Voiceover 
announces the caller, but no vibration happens beyond this. Here is my 
further complaint: if you allow a caller to bypass Do Not Disturb they 
also bypass mute, in other words if you open a contact, go to the person's 
ringtone and turn on Emergency Bypass then you hear all tones (text tones, 
ringtones etc.) if Mute is on but Do Not Disturb is not on. The 
explanation of Emergency Bypass is this "Emergency bypass allows sounds 
and vibrations from this person even if Do Not Disturb is on". Of course I 
think this is great because you may want certain people like close family 
membes to be able to reach you even at night or when you are in a meeting, 
but at this point the way it works means that the mute switch and Do Not 
Disturb basically do the same thing. I think that if I really want no 
ringtones or other tones to come through then turning on mute should do 
this and it should even mute those tones from people who have emergency 
bypass turned on. Alternatively, Apple could add a second setting to let 
you decide separately if tones should come through when mute is on, by 
default it should be off, but maybe there is one or two people who should 
absolutely reach you no matter whether Do Not Disturb or mute is on.
The other problem is that for those of us who have an Apple Watch the 
watch obeys any setting you have for Do Not Disturb, if somebody calls you 
where Emergency Bypass is not on for that person the call actually goes 
straight to voice mail. I guess in a way this is different from Mute 
because if mute is on and somebody calls the caller will hear the ringtone 
and only be passed on to voice mail once the appropriate number of rings 
have passed. Anyhow, the problem is that if you turn on mute on the phone 
and somebody calls the Apple Watch still rings. It's like it doesn't know 
that you put your phone on mute and I think since it's connected to the 
phone at all times via bluetooth the phone should tell the Apple Watch 
"Hey, the mute switch was just turned on, so you also go to mute". What 
good is it if you are in a meeting or at church and you turn on mute, but 
then your Apple Watch rings anyways.
Also, it is important to note that this issue with no vibrations on mute 
is a Voiceover bug. If you put your phone on mute, then turn off Voiceover 
with a triple click of the home button and then lock your phone and call 
it the vibrations come through just fine.
I will definitely submit this to accessibility @applecom and as usual the 
more of us who do this the more likely it is Apple will take this 
seriously.



Regards,
Sieghard

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Of Jed Barton

Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 7:26 AM
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Subject: Re: vibration not working on silent

how did you end up reporting it, did you use an app?

On 2/18/2017 8:37 AM, Jennie Facer wrote:
> I have the same issue. I don't really understand it, but I have
> reported it. Hopefully they will fix it.
> Jenn
>
> Jenn and Kumi
>
> On Feb 17, 2017, at 6:18 PM, Jed Barton  > wrote:
>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> OK, so i ahve a bit of an issue.  I'm running the latest IOS, and my
>> iphone 7.  When i go to put the vibrate switch on the side of the
>> phone, it did the same thing with my iphone 6.  when i get a call, i
>> feel a little pulse, and voiceover tells me who's calling.  If i'm
>> not paying attention i'll miss the call, as it doesn't do long
>> vibrates to indicate a ring.  Any ideas what's going on?  Anyone 

Re: Group List Footer Updated with my direct email address

[Paul Richard McGann]

rolling up eyes) sieghard. nodding my head slowly and solemnly with my 
lipscurling like fish. sheesh!


mark, good joke. hope yo feel better. wink! mistake is your best friend.

mae west's famous quote: I do wrong today. I do better tomorrow.

thumbs up!

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One more embarrassing episode like this and your posting privileges will be 
revoked and I'll report you to the "Trumpolice". *smile*



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Hello All,

I apologize for the problem of not having the official moderator email work 
correctly.


Consequently, I have, once again, updated the group list footer information, 
this time including my direct email address.


Again, my apologies for any embarrassment this may have caused.

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nearby explorer

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all, 

anyone, have you tried app clled nearby explorer designed by american printing 
house for blind at all?

if so, what is your thought of this app? thank you! 

sincerely, 
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Re: Apple Pencil

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got it. okay!

I was at apple store and the lady showed me apple pencil and she said fifty 
dollars. and she suggest for me to try amazon and I did and she inspected 
and Ii I got good bargain for just fifteen dollars. oh well!

wink1

sincerely,
rich


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Hi Paul,

Not sure where you found it for $50. Everything I have seen from the 
original articles when it was introduced to Amazon.com list it for $99 US, 
here in Canada it is $129.95.
Here is an Amazon.com listing, granted it does say list price is $99.99 and 
the sale price is $93.43, so you save about $7 buying it on Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/Apple-Pencil-iPad-White-MK0C2ZM/dp/B016NY7784

Regards,
Sieghard

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Great Scot!  what is it meant to do for that?
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I thought the Apple Pencil was $99

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Re: Apple Pencil

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roh,

some people enjoy sketching art on their iphone or ipad. they have all kinds 
of colors.


somehow, pencil can be used for signature like checks, legal files, and 
others.


apple pencil or other brandname pencil as it depends on tip which would be 
tip of your finger



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Great Scot!  what is it meant to do for that?
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I thought the Apple Pencil was $99

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Re: Apple Pencil

[Paul Richard McGann]

ouch, that is canadian money. am I right? 

big shrugs!

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:32 PM
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Subject: RE: Apple Pencil

I thought the Apple Pencil was $99

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 7:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Pencil

 

, 

 

you can go through amazon to get the low-cost pencil. you can havemulticolor or 
one color. 

 

sieghard, sometimes some stores and some shops do have ipad and they need 
fingers to sign names, and sometimes easier for some blind to use pencils if 
thye carry and it owudl be nice for them to use pencil to sign. 

 

I don’t really use it much as I did order one form amazone for just fifteen 
dollars vs. apple pencil which costs 50 dollars. 

 

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 

Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 7:09 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: Apple Pencil

 

Hi Fanus,

 

I highly doubt the Apple Pencil would be a very useful item for a blind user. I 
have never seen much discussion on the list about it hence assume it is not 
something people have bought. I think it is useful for sighted users who do a 
lot of drawing and maybe use technical programs for designing things, 
blueprints etc. It would probably be a waste of money.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Fanus
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 7:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Pencil

 

Hello Sieghard

Thanks for explaining and in terms of our bad exchange rate this beast costs an 
arm and a leg.

Regards

Fanus

 

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 

Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 9:21 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: Apple Pencil

 

Hi Fanus,

 

The Apple Pencil is a fancy name for the styless you can buy to use in together 
with an iPad pro. If you have an iPad Pro you can do various things with this 
thing although I am not sure if it is of much use for a blind person. I don’t 
think it adds any functionality to the iPhone at this point or to older iPads. 
If you Google it or read the descriptions on the Apple website you probably get 
more detailed information. Steve Jobbs probably turned over in his grave when 
they first introduced this because when the iPhone and iPad first came out he 
always made a big deal out of how you don’t need a styless for these and how he 
just couldn’t understand why anybody would want such a thing.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

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Fanus
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 8:03 AM
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Subject: Apple Pencil

 

Hello list

What is apple pencil. It is advertised in a local store.

Regards

Fanus

 

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Re: Apple Pencil

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, 

you can go through amazon to get the low-cost pencil. you can havemulticolor or 
one color. 

sieghard, sometimes some stores and some shops do have ipad and they need 
fingers to sign names, and sometimes easier for some blind to use pencils if 
thye carry and it owudl be nice for them to use pencil to sign. 

I don’t really use it much as I did order one form amazone for just fifteen 
dollars vs. apple pencil which costs 50 dollars. 


From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 7:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Apple Pencil

Hi Fanus,

 

I highly doubt the Apple Pencil would be a very useful item for a blind user. I 
have never seen much discussion on the list about it hence assume it is not 
something people have bought. I think it is useful for sighted users who do a 
lot of drawing and maybe use technical programs for designing things, 
blueprints etc. It would probably be a waste of money.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Fanus
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 7:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Pencil

 

Hello Sieghard

Thanks for explaining and in terms of our bad exchange rate this beast costs an 
arm and a leg.

Regards

Fanus

 

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 

Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 9:21 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: Apple Pencil

 

Hi Fanus,

 

The Apple Pencil is a fancy name for the styless you can buy to use in together 
with an iPad pro. If you have an iPad Pro you can do various things with this 
thing although I am not sure if it is of much use for a blind person. I don’t 
think it adds any functionality to the iPhone at this point or to older iPads. 
If you Google it or read the descriptions on the Apple website you probably get 
more detailed information. Steve Jobbs probably turned over in his grave when 
they first introduced this because when the iPhone and iPad first came out he 
always made a big deal out of how you don’t need a styless for these and how he 
just couldn’t understand why anybody would want such a thing.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Fanus
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 8:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Pencil

 

Hello list

What is apple pencil. It is advertised in a local store.

Regards

Fanus

 

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Re: curious

[Paul Richard McGann]

richard, 

I did go to voiceover and did rotor, and when I tested by hitting navigator 
button on text and the next one it shows draggable. is that right. if so, I wil 
tury on and test text and also test word and line. thank you!


From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 11:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: curious


i have not done this with a braille display yet, but go into the VoiceOver 
settings, rotor, and make sure Text Selection is selected.
Then when on a word or line you wish to highlight, turn the rotor to text 
selection, then do the braille command for flicking down until you get to the 
type of highlight you wan, character, word, line, etc. then do the command for 
flick right.
Then, turn rotor to edit, and flick down to copy and then do the space-dots 3.6.
Richard


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  to all, 

  according to the fact I am braille user. 

  I understand about how to highlight word, line and paragraph when I am using 
microsoft computer. no problem but for apple, how can I highlightword or line  
or paragraph to be copied and would paste on email form website if I link to. 

  any suggestion? thank you!

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curious

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to all, 

according to the fact I am braille user. 

I understand about how to highlight word, line and paragraph when I am using 
microsoft computer. no problem but for apple, how can I highlightword or line  
or paragraph to be copied and would paste on email form website if I link to. 

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Re: Games for the blind

[Paul Richard McGann]

thank you, and I will share with some. bless you. 

From: Michael Feir 
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 12:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Games for the blind

You could certainly play any games not based on hearing and reflexes on a 
Braille display provided they work with Voiceover. You can turn off the speech 
and leave Voiceover running. This is useful when reading books on a braille 
display. Having done this, you'd be able to play King of Dragon Pass, Evertree 
Inn and any other choose your own adventure style games. Also, Frotz can work 
wonderfully making hundreds of text adventures accessible through braille. You 
just need to be familiar with all the key commands Voiceover has for allowing 
you to control your iOS device with your Braille display. It has always amazed 
me that organisations interested in promoting the use of Braille haven't done 
more to encourage and spread the word about this kind of thing. Dice World 
works well as does Seven Little Words. Many of the Blindfold games should work 
fine that way also. Hope that helps get you started. 
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Re: Games for the blind

[Paul Richard McGann]

are there anyt games on iphone accessible to braille users instead of siri? 
please help us following up. 

sincerely, 
rich 


From: Michael Feir 
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 8:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Games for the blind

I currently have around 80 games on my iPHONE. Some of the newer ones include 
Evertree Inn which combines a murder mystery with rpg statistics and choose 
your own adventure mechanics. Very easy to learn but hard to win. Another great 
new casual puzzle game is Super Tile Smash. You need to set your rotor to 
vertical navigation to easily look up and down columns of tiles. There's 
alsoblind imatch which is another jem matching game. King of Dragon Pass has a 
permanent spot on my iPHOnE. Games don't get much more replayable and deeply 
satisfying than that one but it has a learning curve. Dice World still draws 
everyone in. So does Seven Little Words. Have a good look in the games section 
of the Applevis app directory. There are loads of game to choose from. 

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 7:50 AM Denny Schwab  wrote:

  Hello,

  The games I like, and that are accessible, are:

  King of Dragon Pass
  A Blind Legend
  Lord and Knights
  Cribbage Pro
  Chesswise
  Shredder Chess
  RoboE

  I have tried several more of the blind-friendly games out there, and
  there are a lot that are quite accessible.  The above are the ones I
  ended up staying with for at least a while.

  An area that I have really started to enjoy plaing in is the MUD
  clients.  I have the Mud Rammer installed on my Iphone and this gives
  you access to a slew of different Muds right out of the box.  You can
  also add in other Muds as you find ones not in the standard list.  I
  play AlterAeon as the main Mud I have found that I like so far.

  Denny


  On 2/10/17, Donna  wrote:
  > Before making game suggestions it would be helpful to know what type of
  > games you are interested in playing. There are quite a few games in all game
  > categories that are accessible for the blind to play using voiceover.
  >
  > Donna
  >>
  >> Thank you.  Actually, I know of the site and am a user of the same but
  >> I wanted experiencial help.  Hope that can be done.
  >>
  >> Thank you.
  >>
  >>> On 2/10/17, Ketan Kothari  wrote:
  >>> Hi friends,
  >>>
  >>> I have never played any game on my Iphone.  I would be grateful if
  >>> someone can be kind enough to suggest me some addictive and
  >>> mindcatching games that are accessible.  Also, how does one know
  >>> whether a particular game is a solo game or can be played in the
  >>> gamecentre.  I would appreciate help.  Thank you.
  >>>
  >>> With best wishes,
  >>>
  >>> Ketan
  >>>
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Re: holiday list

[Paul Richard McGann]

thank you, and I do follow easter, but other years, they are in different 
not same. wink!



-Original Message- 
From: Flor Lynch

Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2017 8:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: holiday list

Paul,

I can tell you that Easter Sunday 2017 is on April 16. (I'd google what date
in a year it is on, if otherwise I didn't know.)

-Original Message- 
From: Paul Richard McGann

Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2017 10:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: holiday list

to all,

I was at apple store as I showed the salesperson about app called
hoidayl;ist. I did download holidaylst four years ago as my friend
expalined. when I use the app, it heped me knowing the dates when next
holidays would be like new year's day, mlk day, ground hog day, valentine
day, presidents day, etc. it did upgrade every year since 2012 and last year
it was made for 2016 as I checked for day light time and day standard and
day saving, etc as I can see good time and arrnaged for what to do. it would
help me knowing before I make plans to go out on vacation or some special
events and others. very hepful.

but now holidaylist has not devleoped and has not upgraded. it would not do
automatically for later in future. I know easter time always change a lot
every year and it would be easier fo rme to check the year and go through
which dates easter could be onand I would prepare. but now I am uck.

today I intalled usa holidays app, and I am not hapy as I have to add
everything for this. for easter, how I know which month and which date, and
also day standard and day saving change ovember and march but which days???
I wish it would come automatically.

I know about calendar app, but not helpful.

any suggestion! thank you1

respectfully,
rich

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Re: holiday list

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all,

I was at apple store as I showed the salesperson about app called 
hoidayl;ist. I did download holidaylst four years ago as my friend 
expalined. when I use the app, it heped me knowing the dates when next 
holidays would be like new year's day, mlk day, ground hog day, valentine 
day, presidents day, etc. it did upgrade every year since 2012 and last year 
it was made for 2016 as I checked for day light time and day standard and 
day saving, etc as I can see good time and arrnaged for what to do. it would 
help me knowing before I make plans to go out on vacation or some special 
events and others. very hepful.


but now holidaylist has not devleoped and has not upgraded. it would not do 
automatically for later in future. I know easter time always change a lot 
every year and it would be easier fo rme to check the year and go through 
which dates easter could be onand I would prepare. but now I am uck.


today I intalled usa holidays app, and I am not hapy as I have to add 
everything for this. for easter, how I know which month and which date, and 
also day standard and day saving change ovember and march but which days??? 
I wish it would come automatically.


I know about calendar app, but not helpful.

any suggestion! thank you1

respectfully,
rich

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Re: color identifier app

[Paul Richard McGann]

yes, I use color id and it is good.

little minor issue, if there is stripes or plaid, it picks just one color 
instead of three, four or more colors in a time.  any advice?


sincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 8:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: color identifier app

The best option is still a good old stand-alone colour identifier like the 
Colorino, it does I think 150 colours, but it speaks them as understandable 
colours and not like whatever weird names they come up with like the one you 
mentioned. The Colorino will say maybe "Intensive Red" or something like 
that, but pretty clear what it means and much more reliable than anything 
you can get for the iPhone. They do also seem to last since I had mine for 
probably 15 years and all I ever do is to replace the batteries maybe once a 
year.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Ulrich

Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 3:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: color identifier app

Which color identifying app will announce basic primary colors?
I've tried apps that announce colors like: Royal Canadian Mist".
So what color is that?
See what I'm saying?

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Richard Turner

Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 6:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: color identifier app


also iDentifi does a good job. but you need to know that none of them are 
going to be anywhere near what a sighted person sees, especially with 
patterns or different shades.
But either app, TapTapSee or iDentifi will be close, depending on lighting 
of course.

Richard



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On Feb 6, 2017, at 8:13 PM, "dollar...@gmail.com"  
wrote:


Yes, it is Tap Tap See.  It is free with unlimited for now.  Hope this 
help you.  Scott Dollar


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On Feb 6, 2017, at 10:04 PM, Wayne Scott  wrote:

Is there a free and very accessible color identifier app out there?

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Re: IOS 10.3 is awesome!

[Paul Richard McGann]

GUESS SOMEONE ALREADY READ CRYSTAL BALL. 


From: Scott Davert 
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 10:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: IOS 10.3 is awesome!

What was the point of the original post? First, it's useless to anyone not on 
the public beta, and second, you may have to eat your words if they break 
something in a later beta.

Just my thoughts,
Scott

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 27, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Scott Berry  wrote:


  Absolutely not.  If you want to know you either need to join the beta or wait 
until the release of this version. 


On Jan 26, 2017, at 8:52 PM, Maria Reyes  wrote:

can some one email me  privately and tell me what's new with voiceover c

Maria Reyes  
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On Jan 26, 2017, at 10:28 PM, jazzyjennifer  wrote:


 yes ios 10.3 is awsom. i am running it my self.


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Re: Smart Beatle 14-Cell Braille Display

[Paul Richard McGann]

richard,

thank you, and yes, I am aware of. hims being korean as well as baum is 
german. I haven't heard words yet how it will turn out this time.


that is reason because trump spoke up as toyota reacted to his theory.

sorry for conflict, but I come up with some thoughts. thank you!

sincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Turner

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 11:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Smart Beatle 14-Cell Braille Display

Rich,
Scott was talking about the President of the HIMS office in Texas, not the 
United States President.


HIMS is the company based in Korea that make the Braille Sense line of 
products.


HTH,
Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Paul Richard McGann

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Smart Beatle 14-Cell Braille Display

hello,

since donald trump will be sworn into president's office sooner, there might
be some impacts made changes. I am not sure what would happpen
since I am vario ultra user, I can see how it will turn out the way. I am
not sure what would happen later. I don't read crystal balls right now.

it might be some changes later. I don';t know what would happen to brialle
displayhs later? I hope that it will stay the way.

sincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Scott Davert

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Smart Beatle 14-Cell Braille Display

Hi Alia.
Your experiences when coparing Baum to HIMS support are the same as mine. In
somewhat a defense of HIMS, they probably have more units to service since
their devices have been around longer. Nonetheless, it really seems that
after the last president of the North American office left in the summer
that things took a nose dive. Not sure what's up with that exactly, but I
hope they fix things. They were at the top of their game not long ago, in my
opinion.


Sent from my iPhone


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I had the braille edge 40 and found out braille cells aren’t covered under
the warranty, so sent it back. I tried contacting them about a few things,
and they literally *never* responded! now I have the varioultra and
bahumUSA literally fixed my unit on the day before thanksgiving, gave me
emails what they fixed, and sent it back, on a holiday. I had it back by
the week after thanksgiving. It is literally never been an hour between
the time I email them and the time they respond, and I have even had
conversations with some of them while they were making their dinner.
outstanding service.

On Jan 12, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Richard Turner
<richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:

Support has gotten worse.
If you leave them a voice mail, it is sometimes a long time before you
hear from them, if at all.  I’m talking up to a couple of weeks.
If you send an Email, and if you don’t hear back in a couple days, send
another one, then you are more likely to get a reply.


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Re: Smart Beatle 14-Cell Braille Display

[Paul Richard McGann]

hello,

since donald trump will be sworn into president's office sooner, there might 
be some impacts made changes. I am not sure what would happpen
since I am vario ultra user, I can see how it will turn out the way. I am 
not sure what would happen later. I don't read crystal balls right now.


it might be some changes later. I don';t know what would happen to brialle 
displayhs later? I hope that it will stay the way.


sincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Scott Davert

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Smart Beatle 14-Cell Braille Display

Hi Alia.
Your experiences when coparing Baum to HIMS support are the same as mine. In 
somewhat a defense of HIMS, they probably have more units to service since 
their devices have been around longer. Nonetheless, it really seems that 
after the last president of the North American office left in the summer 
that things took a nose dive. Not sure what's up with that exactly, but I 
hope they fix things. They were at the top of their game not long ago, in my 
opinion.



Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 12, 2017, at 10:30 AM, alia robinson  wrote:

I had the braille edge 40 and found out braille cells aren’t covered under 
the warranty, so sent it back. I tried contacting them about a few things, 
and they literally *never* responded! now I have the varioultra and 
bahumUSA literally fixed my unit on the day before thanksgiving, gave me 
emails what they fixed, and sent it back, on a holiday. I had it back by 
the week after thanksgiving. It is literally never been an hour between 
the time I email them and the time they respond, and I have even had 
conversations with some of them while they were making their dinner. 
outstanding service.
On Jan 12, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:


Support has gotten worse.
If you leave them a voice mail, it is sometimes a long time before you 
hear from them, if at all.  I’m talking up to a couple of weeks.
If you send an Email, and if you don’t hear back in a couple days, send 
another one, then you are more likely to get a reply.


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my 10 favorite apps

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all, 

I have enjoyed a lot:

1. read2go
2. facebook
3. messenger of facebook 
4. my bank 
5. wikipedia
6. google (search for information) 
7. sports from yahoo
8. maps (knowing how far to go and how closer we get there) 
9. usa today and national publishing radio
10. ntouch (video phone set by sorenson if I have interpreter beside me) 

rest: sprint ip relay (making phone calls with operators relaying), knfb 
reader, say color, weather, and cnn. 

sincerely, 
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Re: test message please ignore

[Paul Richard McGann]

with two fonz thumb-ups and smile, test passed.

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 1:31 AM
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Hi all. This is a test message. Just seeing if this goes through.

Rebecca and Zeb
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Re: brailling on the 6s and 6s plus

[Paul Richard McGann]

lynette,

I use focus 40 blue tooth original and I believe it is good that freedom 
scientific has new version of focus 40 nd maybe 80.


somehow, I have vario ultra 20 and baum usa has vario ultra 40 as it has 
four blue tooths plus usb.


hims has good brialel display brialle sense.

up to you.

sincerely,
rich



-Original Message- 
From: Lynette frison

Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 8:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: brailling on the 6s and 6s plus

Hey all,

I am going to upgrade my phone next week. I am deciding between a 6s and a 
6s plus. I use braille a lot on my 5s, both the Apple braille keyboard and 
MBraille. My question is: which model is better for brailling? I would think 
the bigger screen is better, because then I can use tabletop mode in a 
straight line, but I was wondering if this is also possible on a 6s. TIA for 
your feedback.


Lynette

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Re: Football game

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I would love to play football game as I used to play sports ilstraded’s 
paydirt. if it is accessible to play game with my braille display. not voice. 


From: Michael Maslo 
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Hi list, I was wondering if anyone knew of a accessible football game for the 
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Re: Braille display problem after update

[Paul Richard McGann]

elizabeth,

scott dolalr, she did mention braille sense. okay1

elizabeth, make sure yo uget pin for brailel sense. when yo go to voiceover, 
go to braille, then go to braille display, look for name as you use up and 
down arrows until yo find name it is important to add pin.


elizabeth, I have ios 10.2 and it is doing well.

important to make all apps having notification features as it is important 
for yo to allow or don't allow. if no response, then happens for long time 
utnil feature of app could cause bluetooth and cut off pairing. need to get 
someone toi redo bluetooth and repair to resume and get back. then check 
with any apps to see if they add new nortification features.



sincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: M. Taylor

Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 10:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille display problem after update

Hello,

AS an F Y I, I had my Focus 40 Blue paired with my 6 Plus before updating to 
iOS 10.2.  It continues to function normally since the update.  Mind you, I 
have not attempted a new paring since the update, however.


Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Helga Schreiber

Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 6:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille display problem after update

Hi Elisabeth. How are you?  I'm not so sure about the braille  sense, but 
the  focus 14 and 40 displasy don't work with IOs 10.2. It is a bug with it. 
Maybe also with the braillesense. Maybe you should tel that  to apple 
accessibility.  They need tofix the displays.  The only optin I may suges ti 
sto go back to IOS 10.1.1 if you really want t use your isplay adn pair it. 
Hope this ehlps. I look forward in hering from yousoon. Thanks and God 
bless!


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On Dec 20, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Elizabeth Bowden  
wrote:
I can't add my braille sense as a braille display after upgrading to version 
10.2 hello all,
After updating to version 10.2 my braille display was running slow so I 
forgot the device. However, now I can't get the Bluetooth. To search for the 
braille display in voiceover. Under the braille settings all I have is 
searching DMD.  Has anyone else had this problem and could you suggest a 
solution.? I've already restarted each device at least four times turned off 
Bluetooth and Wi-Fi on both of them several timesThanks in advance


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Re: Apple is not doing their Job???

[Paul Richard McGann]

sieghard, 

excuse me for little minute. 

I clap for accessiblity team for good work, yes, and I want you to be aware 
that the team is not 100 percent perfect. sometimes they overlook some what 
they are missing. 

sometimes they put conflict. sometimes team have wrong people to give wrong 
answers. you see no names on each perosn for a team. which one??? wink1 

nothing wrong as we can cooperate with our mistakes and help each other. it is 
important team needs to be little more specific. wink1

sincerely, 
rich 


From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 8:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Apple is not doing their Job???

Hi Mario,

 

These accessibility improvements apparently exist for many of us. I am the one 
who posted about them first and while Larry seems to have some issues, it seems 
that everybody else seems to have the same experience as me. This also seems to 
include both Jaws and NVDA users. The fact is that a little over a months ago I 
received a replacement for my iPhone 6S Plus and I was at an Apple Store with 
my laptop. I was not able to select any ringtones to sync, I wanted to sync a 
couple of dozen apps which were all in my iTunes library to my phone and I 
could not select them to sync. As of yesterday I am able to do all of those 
things and since I know some people are using and have asked about iTunes File 
Sharing, I am happy to report that it also works again just fine. I easily and 
quickly added half a dozen MP3 files from an audio book to Voice Dream Reader 
using iTunes file sharing and then synced them to my iPhone. When I opened 
Voice Dream Reader the files were there.

All of these things I was not able to do since iTunes version 12 was released 
in September of 2015 and I suggest you check the facts before posting the 
accessibility improvements do not exist. Maybe something with your installation 
or combination of applications you use is causing a problem, but before you 
laugh down at me from the high horse you are sitting on maybe give it another 
try, perhaps you need some instructions on how to properly use it?

 

Best regards, merry christmas and let’s hope it will be an accessible new year!

 

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mário Gabriel
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 10:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple is not doing their Job???

 



 



Man you make me laugh
In my iTunes 12.5.4.latest update, the accessibility enhancements that  you 
talk  simply do not exist.
Does  Apple like you more than some people in the group who did not have the 
magic of accessibility improvements in their iTunes apps?

Whatever they did, it not worked.
And you know why? Because they did nothing.
Keep dreaming, this is what is happening in your heads.
Sure you still want to write to Apple and thank them for the complete 
turnaround they made with the latest iTunes version?
cheers.






 

Às 23:25 de 17/12/2016, englishride...@gmail.com escreveu:

  I also think we need to write to Apple and thank them for the complete 
turnaround they made with the latest iTunes version. I haven't checked on file 
sharing yet, but managing your iPhone's content has once more become 
accessible. Whatever they did, it worked.

   

   

  Thanks,

  Ari


  On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:40 AM, Hope Paulos  wrote:

Diane. This is well-said. I’ve put off commenting about this thread because 
I don’t want to really get involved. Apple is a huge corperation and if 
customers don’t come to them with a problem, they cannot fix it. I work in 
customer service and while we deal with irate customers who want their product 
to work correctly, we are more likely to listen and respond to those customers 
who approach us with kindness and explain the problem  they experience in 
detail. In other words, if apple doesn’t know it’s broken, they can’t fix it. I 
urge everyone to write accessibil...@apple.com and explain whatever problem 
they’re having. I assure you, that in time, apple will indeed fix the problem. 

 

Hope Paulos

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Dianne Phelps
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 6:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple is not doing their Job???

 

I have bitten my writing tongue for some time since IOS 10 came out. I 
don’t know where the moderators are for this list; but this topic needs a 
healthy and fast stop.

 

Apple is not the only corporation making changes to software which either 
change or make more difficult our use of the technology we have come to depend 
upon. AVG has now become incompatible with JAWS for version 18. I went to 
download the new version the other night, and it locked up my tablet to the 
point where I had to make a mad dash to see my computer guys at Staples to help 
me dig it out.

 

The fact is 

Re: a good fix in 10.2

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all, 

let you know that last tuesday, I upgraded ios 10.2 as my friend watched to 
make sure of it. it went smooth and no problems. I had it great all day on 
tuesday, but yesterday, in morning it was fine. until in the afternoon, 
something popped up as I felt vibration and I checked. nothing. I t ried to get 
it back on, but won’t wor. I struggled with m yvario ultra display to make sure 
bluetooth is on, and it was gone. I tried to get it back on but nothing. 

until last night my sister came and she tried but can’t, then we went to apple 
store. we waited until time came. the lady at apple store investigated the 
problem. she was able to get it back to normal. and she disable voiceover first 
and chekced with bluetooth and sorted outuntil it got back on, then she enable 
voiceover back normal. then she said one app was a reason that came up with 
request of upgrading versionplus unexpectedly notification setting. so she took 
care. then my variolultra display finaly got my iphone connected  with 
bluetooth. 

the lady said it can happen with bluetooth like headphone, keyboard, and other 
items that are done with bluetooth could get cut off. so disable voiceover and 
then fix bluetooth, then got voceover back on. crazy. 

I have no problem with ios 10.2 

richard, sometiumes apps could be pain in the rear. they request for us to 
upgrade and new things pop up unexpectedly. gee! 

sincerely, 
rich 


From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 10:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: a good fix in 10.2


I'm glad for you. I had it on three devices, iPhone 6s, 5s, and iPod Touch 6.
So, this is quite a relief for me. I know others had this problem.
Richard





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On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:40 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


  Sorry but I’ve never had this appstore bug on my iphone under ios10.
  Regards
  Davy 

  From: Richard Turner 
  Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 4:20 PM
  To: ViPone list 
  Subject: a good fix in 10.2

  One really good fix in iOS 10.2 is the ability to not only read character by 
character on web forms, but the App Store bug where you had to close out the 
app store app to do a second search is fixed.
  You can clear the text in the app and do another search quite easily.
  Richard






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Re: OverDrive Help

[Paul Richard McGann]

mark, t

hank you for the post.

mark, I am using brialle display. I would like to use over drive as if I 
choose to find books. so far, if I find sue grafton book such as w is for 
wasted which is the name of title she wrote, can I find page number in 
braille display


reason is that bookshare.org doesn't have page numbers for this book, and it 
has chapters. that is wonderful. but the problem is if I am reading the 
chapter, and when I go through in middle or three-fourth of chapter, then 
phone rings or doorbell rings I have to leave it and go over to answer phone 
or door. it would take time and come back, the iphone is off and I would 
turn it back on and I don't know where I am at where I leave. I would use 
advance button and keep hittingseveral times without knowing which page is 
and even not knowing where to find where I leave off. it would be wise to 
locate page number and then it would be easier to save time and cut down 
stress looking as bookmark is not very helpful.


if over drive do provide page numbers, then it would be great deal to be 
hepful and it would cut down tensions and then can enjoy finishing the book. 
thank you!


sincerely,
rich


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Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: OverDrive Help

Hello,

With regard to Over Drive:

The simple answer to your question is, "Yes."  There is a way to change the 
location in an audio book by other than the 15-second buttons and the 
section heading buttons.


However, it kind of depends upon how much useable vision, if any, you 
possess.


If you can locate the scrub bar, located just above the controls, described 
above, you can single-finger, double-tap and hold while moving your finger 
in order to fast-forward or rewind through the title.


As implied, while this feature can be engaged with VoiceOver enabled, 
actually locating the scrub bar can be a bit of a challenge.  So much so 
that I usually don't bother to use it.  I find that jumping by section 
headings is good enough for me.


Mark

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Subject: OverDrive Help

I just recently got signed up with my local library and installed OverDrive 
which I am enjoying tremendously. However, I am wondering if there is any 
other
method of fast forwarding and rewinding other than the 15 seconds button 
shown or having to go back a hole chapter at a time. Thanks for any help in 
this
matter. I downloaded the new RS Games app onto my IPhone 6s and am having a 
couple issues that I’m wondering if it is just me. Firstly, whenever I send 
a chat message the background music goes away. Secondly, the speech will go 
away in the middle of a game and I will have to dump the game and go back 
in. This happens quite often. I tried unloading voiceover and just use the 
built in speech but does the same thing. This happens with both the Alex 
voice and any of the others. Is anyone else finding these bugs as well?


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Re: change names of apps

[Paul Richard McGann]

sieghard, 

thank you, and there are some efforts to try. 

when I hit space bar plus dot 1,2,3,4 6 (chord &) it shows labeling and I type 
when I am at name of app. and save it. 

you are correct about app switchers, and I was able to see new name iek this.  
and I did try my best in setting to change, but no luck. 

sincerely, 
rich 


From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 12:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: change names of apps

Hi Rich,

 

The only way I know of is to use the custom label feature of iOS which is a 
2-finger double tap and hold. Unfortunately I have no idea how you do this on a 
braille display/keyboard. You can rename apps with this, but in the app 
switcher, for example, the apps may appear the old/original way and in some 
situations I guess it is possible that the label doesn’t stick and you may have 
to redo it.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

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Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 6:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: change names of apps

 

everyone, 

 

I tried to change app names. 

 

since there are two apps with same name messengers. one is facebook and other 
is yahoo messengers. 

 

I tried to change name for messengers by yahoo into different name like yahoo 
messengers, and it was fine, but later yahoo name was removed after ios 
upgrading. I give up. 

 

any suggestion or any advice. thank you1

 

sincerely, 

rich 

 

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Re: Identifi question

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all, 

there are issues that I always have screen curtain on, I have no problems 
following what dollar currency reveals. also no problem with knfb as logn as t 
is fine. 

sincerely, 
rich 


From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 12:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Identifi question

Hi Richard,

 

Screen curtain does not affect the front facing camera either. Just take a 
selfi and ask somebody to look at it, or, in order to proof that iDentifi 
doesn’t care about screen curtain, take a selfi or a picture with the main 
Camera app with camera switched to front and then import that picture with 
iDentifi, I guaranty that it will describe it just fine.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 5:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Identifi question

 

Brett,

i just did another test in a very dark room with the flash set to automatic and 
the screen curtain on.

I got a very good result in about 10 seconds with it set to high accuracy.

This is on my 5s running iOS 10.1.1.

Do you have anyone around who could test using your phone?

There is no way I can possibly imagine  that the screen curtain could make any 
difference while using the back facing camera, which is what it defaults to 
every time.

I did try using the front facing camera, but got nothing. The next time I hit 
take photo, the camera was set to the back facing, so unless you are somehow 
accidentally toggling the camera to front facing every time you use the screen 
curtain, which I don't think is possible, you are doing something different 
when the screen curtain is on.

Richard

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On Dec 2, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Brett  wrote:

  Wonder what the difference is then! It diffinately makes a difference for me: 
I get no rsults with the screen curtain on. 

  Cheers Brett. 





On 2 Dec. 2016, at 1:11 pm, Richard Turner  
wrote:

 

Having the screen curtain on has no impact on the results.

The screen curtain doesn't effect the back facing camera.

 

I have done most of my pictures, including the ones set to text, with the 
screen curtain on.

 

Richard

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Brett

Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 5:28 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Identifi question

 

Hi Robbert, 

 

I am pretty sure it adjusts the focus to highlight what is corrently in the 
foreground, presumably to correct for any movement when taking the picture. 

 

Also for those people who aren't getting any results with this app, before 
launching the app, be sure to toggle off The screen curtain. 

 

Cheers Brett. 

 

 

  On 2 Dec. 2016, at 10:18 am, Donald L. Roberts 
 wrote:

   

   Although the answer to this question may be obvious to some, I 
will ask anyway because I am painfully aware of the consequences for making 
erroneous assumptions.

   

  After taking a picture,  one of the choices says something like focus 
locked unlocked.  This is a toggle and changes to locked when double tapped.  
Please tell me the purpose of this choice.

   

  Thanks.

   

  Don Roberts

   

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change names of apps

[Paul Richard McGann]

everyone, 

I tried to change app names. 

since there are two apps with same name messengers. one is facebook and other 
is yahoo messengers. 

I tried to change name for messengers by yahoo into different name like yahoo 
messengers, and it was fine, but later yahoo name was removed after ios 
upgrading. I give up. 

any suggestion or any advice. thank you1

sincerely, 
rich 

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Re: Identifi

[Paul Richard McGann]

o,thank you, and richard, if you have the chance to try braille display, please 
let us know. I appreciate this. wink1

clarification, maybe I miss or overlook, can this work if I take picture of 
round can like soup, vegetables, or other to identify what kind fo can  it is. 
wink1

sincerely, 
rich 


From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 6:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Identifi

The results are read by VoiceOver since the three finger quadruple tap works 
for copying the text, but it doesn'stay the screen, so I doubt the braille 
display will show it, though I have not tried that yet.
I wrote the developer suggesting he make it so braille displays can read the 
results.

Richard



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- Satsuki Shibuya
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On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:


  Hello,
  I would say no, it won't be accessible. My reason is: the results of the 
picture is not read by voice over, and are not shown up on the phone's screen. 
Since the answer is not shown on phone, it can't then display it in braille.



  Sent from a Braille Sense 

  - Original Message -----
  From: Paul Richard McGann  <rkmcg...@comcast.net>
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Date: Thursday, December 1, 2016 10:42 pm
  Subject: Re: Identifi






to all, 



I haven't followed full at all of this post. I did check app store and it 
lacks some notes. 



can you please give me instructions how to use this? you mean having camera 
takign photo of something like round can of soup and it will give description 
what kind of can ti is? and wil lit be accessible to braille usage??? 



I thank you, 



siuncerely, 

rich 



From: Sieghard Weitzel 

Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 5:03 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: Identifi



I think this could be one suggestion for Anmol, the developer. Since the 
app is designed for the blind I don't really see the point in having the 
"Retake" and "Use Picture" buttons there. It's not like we can look at the 
picture after we take it and decide if we want to use it or take another better 
one.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Harry Bell

Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 12:55 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Identifi



After taking the photo, did you double tap on the Use Photo button at 
bottom right of screen? Harry



On 1 Dec 2016, at 20:39, Rich De Steno <ironr...@verizon.net> wrote:

I just installed this identifi app on my iPhone 6 with the latest IOS and I 
received no speech description at all.  I checked all settings and took about 
ten pictures of different things.  None of these resulted in any spoken 
descriptions or words of any kind.



On 12/1/2016 3:26 PM, Lelia Struve wrote:

So here's the deal, I think I expected a bit more out of the app  then it 
gave me. So when I lowered my expectations it's a really good app. You are all 
correct when you say that it does give a bit more detail  then taptapsee.  I 
took a picture of a piece of cheese and it told me what kind it was.   



Lelia  



Sent from my iPhone



On Dec 1, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapoint...@comcast.net> 
wrote:

qHi, just for your info, I am using the 6 s with the latest I O S.  I 
haven't had a bad pic result yet and I have been playing with the Identifi 
since around 4:30 this morning.  Also, I took some pics in very low lighting.  
I selected for the high quality results.  What I am happy about is that taking 
a picture of text was quick and with excellent results.  I hope that those of 
you that are not getting good results, do so eventually.  You'll love it.  Andy 
and Shubert

Andrew J. LaPointe

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Re: Identifi

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all, 

I haven’t followed full at all of this post. I did check app store and it lacks 
some notes. 

can you please give me instructions how to use this? you mean having camera 
takign photo of something like round can of soup and it will give description 
what kind of can ti is? and wil lit be accessible to braille usage??? 

I thank you, 

siuncerely, 
rich 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 5:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Identifi

I think this could be one suggestion for Anmol, the developer. Since the app is 
designed for the blind I don't really see the point in having the "Retake" and 
"Use Picture" buttons there. It's not like we can look at the picture after we 
take it and decide if we want to use it or take another better one.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Harry Bell
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 12:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Identifi

 

After taking the photo, did you double tap on the Use Photo button at bottom 
right of screen? Harry


On 1 Dec 2016, at 20:39, Rich De Steno  wrote:

  I just installed this identifi app on my iPhone 6 with the latest IOS and I 
received no speech description at all.  I checked all settings and took about 
ten pictures of different things.  None of these resulted in any spoken 
descriptions or words of any kind.

   

  On 12/1/2016 3:26 PM, Lelia Struve wrote:

So here's the deal, I think I expected a bit more out of the app  then it 
gave me. So when I lowered my expectations it's a really good app. You are all 
correct when you say that it does give a bit more detail  then taptapsee.  I 
took a picture of a piece of cheese and it told me what kind it was.   

Lelia  

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 1, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
wrote:

  qHi, just for your info, I am using the 6 s with the latest I O S.  I 
haven’t had a bad pic result yet and I have been playing with the Identifi 
since around 4:30 this morning.  Also, I took some pics in very low lighting.  
I selected for the high quality results.  What I am happy about is that taking 
a picture of text was quick and with excellent results.  I hope that those of 
you that are not getting good results, do so eventually.  You’ll love it.  Andy 
and Shubert

  Andrew J. LaPointe
  Co-Chairman
  Salem Commission on Disabilities
  President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
  34 Raymond Ave.
  Salem, MA. 01970
  Home, 978-745-4289 cell, 978-578-0185

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Re: Overdrive app and pop up

[Paul Richard McGann]

hello,

does over drive have page numbers visible? if so, I need to see about page 
numbers in braille. it would be wonderufl if they  are accessible.


sincebookshare read2go, new books have no page numbers as I don't want to 
keep advance button to omuch to keep gong if I goet interruption or 
something happens, I don't want to go back on the beginning of each chapter. 
I want to be on same spot where I leave off. the bookmark, it doesn't help 
enough.


if over drive is accessible, I will join. thank you1

sincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: M. Taylor

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Overdrive app and pop up

Hello Marie,

As a huge fan of the Over Drive, app, I am delighted that you have decided 
to give it a try.  I use this app, every single day, to listen to audio 
books.


Now it just so happens that 4 days ago, I added a new library to my app.

1.
From within the app, select the Main Menu button.  A list of choices will 

appear.

2.
Select Add a Library.

Enter the name of the Library, the city in which it is located (for example, 
Santa Monica), or its zip code in the edit field and then single-finger, 
double-tap the Search button.  A results list will appear from which you may 
select.  You may also use the Browse Libraries, button.  In either scenario, 
there is no pop-up button upon which you need to act.


Make certain that you have the latest version of iOS and the latest version 
of Over Drive installed on your iPhone.


Finally, for the best experience, I suggest that you create an actual Over 
Drive account in addition to signing into individual libraries via a library 
card and PIN.


Good Luck,

Mark

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Of Marie

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Overdrive app and pop up

I am trying to set up Overdrive on my IPhone 6S. There is a “pop-up” where 
you need to choose your library and I can’t seem to find a way to open the 
list. Can anyone give me some idea of how to get this accomplished?

Thanks

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Re: Heart Rate Monitor

[Paul Richard McGann]

ed,

I got withings blood pressure monitor through amazon. there is an app called 
withings. 

good luck! I enjoy it as I use it. 

sincerely, 
rich 


From: Edward Przybylek 
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:31 PM
To: ViPhoneList 
Subject: Heart Rate Monitor

Hi all,

 

I’m looking for a heart rate monitor and app that I can use with my iPhone.  I 
need it to continuously monitor my heart rate and display a value on my iPhone. 
 I would also like it to generate a sound with each heartbeat.  Essentially, 
the kind of thing you would find in a hospital room.  Please let me know if you 
know of such an item.  Thank you.

 

Take care,

Ed Przybylek

 

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Re: Home and Ios 10.

[Paul Richard McGann]

sieghard,

wonderufl step-by-step instruciton. wink1 high-five! thank you1

sincrerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 11:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

Hi Rajmund,

It's been discussed before and it's similar to how you can delete a 
downloaded iOS update, here are the steps:


Go to Settings > General > Storage and iCloud Usage
First you have the "Storage" heading which refers to local storage and then 
the "iCloud" heading. After it tells you used space and free space and just 
before you come to iCloud there is a "Manage Storage" button, double tap on 
it. There is an identical button under the iCloud heading, make sure you tap 
on the first one under "Storage" meaning local storage.
On the next screen you again have used space and free space at the top, 
after that all your apps start.
Double tap on any app you want to delete, it opens up a page with details 
about the app, it's version size and the size of the data it uses and after 
that is a "Delete App" button.


It's useful if you want to find out how much space is taken up by an app and 
its data and you can also see, for example, how much space is taken up by 
Voice Mails, but this list does not include most of the stock apps such as 
Notes, Calculator, Stocks, Watch, Voice Memos etc. I rarely go there since 
it's so much easier to delete apps either the old way with a double tap and 
hold and another double tap after editing mode has started or to use the 
"Arrange Apps" option to get into editing mode, then swipe up and double tap 
on "Activate". As I said, if you want to delete things like Stocks, Watch 
and so on then that is the only way anyways and what Todd said I identified 
as a bug is not a functional bug but simply a small issue of something that 
could be labelled better.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Rajmund

Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 1:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Home and Ios 10.

Hi Guys,
How does one actually delete through the settings method, please? I never 
got that to work, I just can't see the delete button at all, anywhere.




Sent from a Braille Sense

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Sunday, November 20, 2016 2:54 am
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.




Hi Todd,

I think at this point most of us are losing you. You say Apple should have 
had the feature a long time ago where apps can be deleted. If you are 
talking about native apps then yes, you are probably right, but it has 
always been possible to delete apps you install yourself and now as of iOS 
10 you can also delete many of the native apps. As Richard explained very 
clearly this is also possible using a braille display with no speech 
whatsoever, sounds like the only thing one has to do on the phone itself 
is press the home button when you are all done to get out of the editing 
mode. I really don't see what Apple can do to make it easier than it is 
now and Rich actually described another way to delete apps via Settings..


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Todd Patkus

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

To all,

Now, look at what Pablo said?

Rich, you failed this time.  I told you millions of times Apple should 
have had that feature long ago where apps can be deleted!  That company is 
really screwed up anyway!  Go with them or not!


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Pablo C. Morales

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:47 PM
To: viph...@googlegroups..com
Subject: RE: Home and Ios 10.

Yes, you can place apps that you don't use in a place that you know. 
However some people like me, I don't like some apps that are built on my 
phone> now with this IOs, I am able to remove from my phone some apps that 
came built in my phone. Example: stocks app, or the iWatch app, or other 
apps that I just don't use. I deleted them, and now I have more space on 
my home screen, more space in folders.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Dianne Phelps

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:47 PM
To: viph...@googlegroups..com
Subject: Home and Ios 10.

I am not sure which screen you are all talking about, but for my "Home" 
screen holding all of my apps, I simply rearranged the order of 
thingsquite extensively, placing things I don't use at the end of the list 
and those things I do use more often on the first page which saves me a 
great deal of time. I don't feel I need to really delete anything as I 
have enough space in memory for those things I wish to do. Though I don't 
use certain things offered, I figure someone somewhere does. So 

Re: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

[Paul Richard McGann]

todd, 

maybe I can help you little. 

pat paulsen was famous comdeian. hope this helps you. 

sincerely, 
rich 


From: Todd Patkus 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 9:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

Richard,

 

That man sucks.  I do not care what they say.  Do not follow these crazy folks!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

Thanks guys,

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

As Pat Paulsen used to say “picky, picky, picky.”  Grin.

 

I knew right after I sent that I should have done the process and made sure of 
the button label.  That’s what I get for getting older.  Ha, Ha.

 

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

Hi Richard,

 

You are so wrong, can’t you give correct instructions? *grin*

The button at the top right is not “Save” but “Add”.

After all the feature is “Add to Homescreen” and not “Save to Homescreen”. Just 
ask Todd, he’ll tell you (sorry, couldn’t help myself, just joking)

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

Yes.

While on that page in Safari, find the share button which is usually just above 
the home button at the bottom of the screen.

Double tap that and flick left with one finger until you find “add to home 
screen.”

Double tap and you will have an edit box where you can edit the name.

Just remember to double tap on the done or save button in the upper right.

 

HTH,

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Creating a safari shortcut on the home page

 

Hi all,

I have been out from the list for a few months. Now I am using an iPhone 7, and 
I have a question for all of you.

Is there a way to create a shortcut, kind of icon app on the home page for a 
specific web page, that when we double tab, opens that web page on safari in 
one step?

Thank you so much,

 

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Re: Braille commands for deleting app

[Paul Richard McGann]

richard and sieghard, 

both of you could be correct for whatever you go through experience. 

richard, I let you know that sometimes some commands of rotor bars don’t always 
appear as some could be possible bugs. some of us do have what you have and 
some of us do have with sieghard has. todd doesn’t have what you have or 
doesn’t have what sieghard has. some iphones don’t always work right. like 
human beings nothing is perfect. and eveyrone always expect comuter being 
perfect. sheesh1

richard, when I tried to make copy form email to transfer to text message, 
apple staff give step-by-step, and I did everything, but they are missing as 
they don’t use brialle display and thye n’t try to lok over and find out as the 
would realize that they are missing. 

sometimes it works fine for me and sometimes they don’t work on others. 
sometimes omething works on others whiel someonthing doesn’t work on me. we 
have sifferent settings. just like fingerprints as we are not the same. wink1

sincerely, 
rich 


From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app


You may want to read step 3 again.
I said to use cord-dot6 again to move to where it shows "activate default" 
which is what the Apple label says.
Like I said, I turned speech off and was going by only what the braille display 
showed.
Richard



“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya




(Sent from my iPod 6)

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  Hi Richard,

  I think the "Activate" option which in fact should be "Delete" is not the 
default. If it were and you were to double tap immediately after double tapping 
on Arrange Apps without flicking up or down then the response should be the 
prompt to delete the app, but the response is to Move he app so the default is 
Move and not Activate/Delete and that is my story and I'm sticking to it *smile*

  Regards,
  Sieghard

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:41 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

  Todd and all,

  I have my Braille Edge connected to my iPhone.  The commands are the same for 
all HIMS braille displays, so it is the same as your Braille Sense Mini.
  I turned off speech so I am only going by what the display says.
  The steps are:
  1.  Use cord-dot4 or dot 1 to get to  the app you want to delete.
  2.  Press cord-dot6.  When it shows "arrange apps" press cord-dots 3,6.
  3.  Press cord-dot6 again so it shows "activate default."  Press cord-dots3,6.
  4.  It will say "delete app" at that point, hit cord-dot6 until you get to 
the delete button and press cord-dots3,6.

  Now, this is where Apple should make two changes.  
  When you are "arranging apps" and it shows "activate default" that should 
show "delete default" since that is now the default action.
  Also, to get out of edit mode, you have to press the physical home button on 
the phone.  If you press cord-h it will exit terminal mode and your display 
won't be connected to your braille display.

  I hope this is helpful.

  Richard



  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:03 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

  to all,

  the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us 
form people.

  blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not dealing 
with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they don't 
realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.

  todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there 
is something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.

  ssincerely,
  rich


  -Original Message-
  From: Todd Patkus
  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

  Dani,

  Actually, there is really no way to do that!

  Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

  How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen 
is showing or see where to find on the screen!

  Think about it.

  Todd

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2

Re: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

[Paul Richard McGann]

sieghard,

yes, sometimes some issues can work, and if double-tap, then use rotor bar 
and to chek again until see some actions. then double-tap. that is it.


sometimes they don't always work.

for example apple staff claimed thatif I want copy memo for email to 
message, I did follow what staff said: use rotor bar, find edit, then 
double-tap, then go for slelect all, or slelecft left, or lect right, I did 
try select all, and double-tap, thennothing happens as I can't find "py7" as 
I look around and can't find. then when I went to message and got into 
bodily box, and tried paste, as I hit lect all and nohting happens. looks 
like apple is missing something. hope this heps.


sincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 3:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

Hi Eden,

What do you mean by "I swear it worked correctly"? As far as I am concerned 
it does work correctly and it definitely always has worked this way, they 
just have to fix the labelling. I definitely hope they don't make it so a 
double tap immediately after the initial double tap to start arranging apps 
will go straight to delete. I think most of use the Move function a lot more 
than the delete function so being able to swipe up/down to Arrange Apps and 
do quickly do a double tap followed by another double tap without having to 
swipe is definitely very nice and it gets you to where you can move an app 
very quickly and efficiently.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Eden

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10

This is interesting. I just noticed this too after trying to explain to 
Todd. Interestingly enough, I swear it worked correctly before but now does 
not. Wonder if it was an update that broke it.


- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:20 am
Subject: Small bug with labelling when moving apps in iOS 10




Hi List and Apple Accessibility Team,

I just realized when I tried to explain to Todd how to delete apps that 
there is a small mistake in how the "Activate" and "Move" options are 
labelled.


What Voiceover actually says if you swipe up or down on an app and double 
tap on "Arrange Apps" is this (I am using the Facebook app as an example:


Activate, default
Move Facebook

However, in this case "Activate" which would prompt you to delete the 
Facebook app is actually not the default because if you double tap on 
Arrange Apps and then double tap a second time immediately without swiping 
up or down you end up activating the Move function and not the delete 
function, so "Move" is actually the default.
. Therefore, Voiceover should say simply "Activate" or, in this context it 
would actually be more accurate if Voiceover said "Delete" or "Remove" and 
it should further say "Move Facebook, default".


In order to save myself some time I am CC'ing this email also to Apple 
Accessibility, it's not a big deal and since nobody has brought this up 
before I assume I'm the first one to actually notice this, but that 
doesn't mean they can't fix it and in fact improve the 
labelling/instructions by making it so the "Activate" option says "Delete" 
or "Remove0..



Best regards,
Sieghard

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Re: Braille commands for deleting app

[Paul Richard McGann]

todd,

big high-five to you eden. wink1 thumbs-up!

todd, yes,  eden explains right.

sincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Todd Patkus

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Eden,

Are you saying "double tap" = chord dots 36 pressed once?

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Eden

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd he means hit space and dots 3 and 6. Or you could also hit a cursor 
routing button above the item you wish to select. I hope this helps.

Eden

- Original Message -
From: Todd Patkus  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:27 pm
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app




Hello, Sieghard,

When one says "double tap", it usually means to touch the screen, not the 
Braille keyboard.  That is how I understand.


Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Hi Todd,

You wrote that you can see was arranging apps then activate". If you can 
get to "Activate" on your braille display you should just have to do 
whatever the braille keyboard command is for a double tap and it should 
ask then if you want to delete the app.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

When I tried it, pressing dot 6, it said arranging apps then activate. 
That is all I can see!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Dani Pagador
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Whew. Then I guess I'm glad I didn't update to IOS10.

I'm using IOS9 and can delete apps fine. My speaker didn't recover very 
much from its lemon bar making experience-my volume is terribly decreased, 
so I'm having to struggle to hear when I don't have a h eadset plugged in. 
I can get access to the VO output using Braille.


And ... I would've thought if it was such a problem, Jonathan Mosen
would've brought it up in his book on IOS10, (something I don't have,
because I don't have the OS.)

Puzzled,
Dani

On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus  wrote:
> Dani,
>
> Actually, there is really no way to do that!
>
> Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!
>
> How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what
> the screen is showing or see where to find on the screen!
>
> Think about it.
>
> Todd
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Dani Pagador
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app
>
> Todd,
> You have a Braille display from Hims-I see your mail on theHims
> Notetaker list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps
> should be similar
>
> You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display.
> You've got to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But
> there should be Braille feedback of everything VO says.
>
> 1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dotblea/4 with 
> spacebar.

> When you get to the app
> 2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and
> Braille should show"Moving [app name)'."
> 3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking
> whether you want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and 
> double-tap it.

> (You can use your finger or the cursor routing button
> here.)
> 4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.
>
> HTH,
> Dani
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>
>
>
> On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus  wrote:
>> To all:
>>
>>
>>
>> At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to
>> delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are
>> speech users.
>> That
>> is not fair.
>>
>>
>>
>> We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?
>>
>>
>>
>> A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have
>> the right commands for that task.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Todd
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Re: Braille commands for deleting app

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all,

the quote is blindness separates us form things and deafness separates us 
form people.


blind gain wonderful things to have communication than deaf do. deaf is more 
disabled than blind due to communication issues. sometimes apple staff don't 
realize this. there are some issues apple staff don't guarantee by not 
dealing with braille display users. they think what they belive, but they 
don't realize. there are some issues that brialle users have.


todd, go to settings, then go to genreal, then go to storage and then there 
is something that yo can look and enter app, then go down and find the word 
"delete" and then it asks yo if yo are sure and you say yes and then app is 
gone.


ssincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Todd Patkus

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille commands for deleting app

Dani,

Actually, there is really no way to do that!

Apple Inc. lacks this in a large way!

How can  person who is profoundly deaf and totally blind see what the screen 
is showing or see where to find on the screen!


Think about it.

Todd

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Dani Pagador

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille commands for deleting app

Todd,
You have a Braille display from Hims--I see your mail on theHims Notetaker 
list. I have a BrailleEdge. The process for deleting apps should be similar


You can't do it just using the keyboard on the Braille display. You've got 
to use a combination of the keyboard and VO gestures. But there should be 
Braille feedback of everything VO says.


1) Navigate to the app you want to delete using the Dot1/4 with spacebar. 
When you get to the app
2) One-finger double-tap and hold on the app. VO should say, and Braille 
should show"Moving [app name]."
3) Lift your finger and double-tap. You'll get a message asking whether you 
want to delete the app. Navigate to the Delete button and double-tap it. 
(You can use your finger or the cursor routing button

here.)
4) Hit your Home button to get out of app editing mode.

HTH,
Dani





.



On 11/18/16, Todd Patkus  wrote:

To all:



At this time, I know there is no way for a strong Braille user to
delete apps from his iOS.  No problem for hearing-blind who are speech 
users.

That
is not fair.



We Braille users have every right just as the blind do.



Who may be able to tell me how to kill (delete) any unwanted apps?



A Braille Sense U2 Mini is what I have here, so make sure you have the
right commands for that task.



Thank you.



Todd

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Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all, 

since I was vice president of american assocation of deaf-blind for eight 
years, I understand what are going on as everyone has different degrees of both 
hearing and visual losses. no problem at all!

be yourself and do whatever you are pleased. just keep gong on. wink!

todd, deaf sometimes use voice memos to help talking to hearing people as deaf 
like to use voice memos and type to make orders or questions with things. there 
are some deaf who like and some other deaf who don’t like. that is okay. I 
would not worry as logn as they please. 

I do appreciate for anyone to help us with some advices for some reasons, and 
since everyone udnerstands that we are defblind and need help. we thank yo for 
all elp you can do for us. and we can determine. wink1 

todd, I do have voice mailgbox at home as it helps. because too many people try 
to get to me and I can’t follow up. so let them leave messages and when my 
sister comes, she can check where ssages come from  like ulititly, company, 
doctor’s office, or whatever as it is tough that people keep forgetting. so let 
go.be gratefu7l. 

sincerely, 
rich 


From: Todd Patkus 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

Hello, Helga,

 

First, my name is spelled T o d d (double d), not T o d (one d), which means 
death in German!  Helga, next time, please spell it Todd, not Tod.  Thank you.

 

Note this applies to all those who are speech-only users.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Helga Schreiber
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 4:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

 

Hi Tod  and all! How ar eyou all? Hey Todd, I actualy use the Voice  memos app 
in order  to record and so n. and actually my boyfriend hwo i s deafblidn uses 
it as well to record! And yes, I agree that there  are  a lot of bugs in 
software, but one should not complain about them; instead, one should suggest 
in fixig them. If one keeps complaining then things will never get fix! I know 
that using  a braille display with an apple  device is sometiems difficult, but 
not  impossible. I look forward in hearing from uyou soon. Thanks so much!

  Helga Schreiber 

Group Moderator  

 

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Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1


On Nov 18, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Todd Patkus  wrote:

  John,

   

  It is so easy for you to say what you said below.

   

  The statement I made stands to be correct.

   

  Yes, Apple Inc. fails to do more thorough diagnoses on their updates!  I am 
sure Rich will tell you something.

   

  No need to remind me about opinions.  I am not opinionated;  I am making 
facts.  That is it.

   

  Todd

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Panarese
  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 3:31 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

   

 Remember. You are expressing your opinion. It is the opinion of one 
person. It is not universal. What you consider to be important apps or 
unimportant apps is not shared among everyone. I agree with you on things like 
Stocks and Voice Memos, but I know others who would not agree with that. So, as 
the expression goes, Apple can please some of the people some of the time, but 
not all of the people all of the time.

   

 Bugs are going to be in software. It’s a reality of any product based on 
the fact that so many different development teams do so much different work as 
updates are made available. I don’t particularly feel we need yearly updates to 
operating systems, but apparently, the majority of those who buy the products 
do appreciate it. There are certainly outstanding bugs in iOS that have 
lingered for far too long, but name a software product in which  one cannot 
make an equally valid statement. Android, Windows, etc … they all have them.

   

   

  


  Take Care

   

  John D. Panarese

  Director

  Mac for the Blind

  Tel, (631) 724-4479

  Email, j...@macfortheblind.com

  Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

   

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On Nov 18, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Todd Patkus 

Re: changing topic how to stop harassment

[Paul Richard McGann]

rob,

hope yo realize siri goofs up, wink! here is the note:

Bare with it,

make sure if you realize this typo error. smile1 wink1

sincerely,
rich

-Original Message- 
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone

Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: changing topic how to stop harassment

Bare with it,  one can ignore a topic once bored with it.  I will very soon 
for sure.  The topic will get banned, eventually.


Best, Rh.
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From: "Dominique Farrell" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 4:57 PM
Subject: RE: changing topic how to stop harassment


I subscribed to this list recently, and was under the impression that it was
for discussing iPhone related topics, and that's what I wanted to join an
iPhone list for, but this thread has absolutely nothing at all to do with
iPhones and should be discontinued as members are slandering and being 
abusive
to others, and other members, like me, don't need this, and because of this, 
I
am really considering unsubscribing from this list.  I wanted to join a 
happy

list to discuss all things iPhone related, but sadly, this list is not
fulfilling this for me at the moment.

I e-mailed Cara last night and have heard nothing at all from her.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of

Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 17 November 2016 4:44 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: changing topic how to stop harassment

The footer should be  updated because while Mark Taylor is listed as
moderator, his email address is not given and I haven't seen anything from
Cara in a very long time, Mark is definitely the man when it comes to group
business.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of

Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: changing topic how to stop harassment

Eden,
At the end of every message you will find the list owner's contact info.
Please, ignore the public stuff from the person you are having issues with 
and

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Here is what is at the end of each message.
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of

Eden
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: changing topic how to stop harassment

How do I contact admin? This harassment has gone on for 4 years. I have
invited Mr. Patel to file a lawsuit against me if he thinks I owe him money
which I do not, but instead he has for 4 years attempted to harass me in
public forums, attempted !be other person to obtain more personal info and 
the

like. He has mad to being on any blind groups a nightmare. I am certainly
hoping that the rest of this list might stand up with me and ask for this to
stop. I asked a prior list admin to please ask Mr. Patel to stop tha that
least publicly, but I was told this was a personal matter. I can ignore his
personal attacks, delete is wonderful for that, but when he does this
publicly, it impedes my abiltion to ask questions or my desire to answer
others. Thank you Eden Kizer

- Original Message -
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:59 am
Subject: Re: how can I tell my drivers where to find me




I just asked this, off list;  too soon to have had a reply yet though.
- Original Message -
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 5:41 AM
Subject: RE: how can I tell my drivers where to find me


What does that mean? What do debts have to do with Lift or Uber?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Shaf Patel
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how can I tell my drivers where to find me

Pay off your debts.

On 11/16/2016 6:42 PM, Eden wrote:
> Where I'm being picked up at is going to be a little tricky. I had put 
> in

> a schedule with Lyft which I have never used before.
> Where would I go to let the driver know how to find me etc. All
> that's in front of my apartments is a parking lot and astreet. I'd
> like to make sure they pull into the parking lot. I thought there
> might be a place to put such info since it's my house but I can't
> see it you. for either Uber or Lyft. Than
>

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Re: changing topic how to stop harassment

[Paul Richard McGann]

I apologize to all of you.

shaf, mind your own business. let eden be the way and let her take good air 
and enjoy life. let's move on.


shaf, do you realize that your words is public and there would be security 
looking at you.


sincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 11:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: changing topic how to stop harassment

Shaf,

Even if Eden did what you said, it's your word against hers, that really is 
not something you should bother this or other groups with. If I were the 
moderator which fortunately for you I am not, you'd already be gone from 
this list. As Eden said, if you have a legit claim against her then pursue 
it in the normal and legal ways, but either way just quit it already on this 
list, please.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Shaf Patel

Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: changing topic how to stop harassment

Pay your debts, stop stealing from individuals, stop lying and make amends 
with the people who's trust you violated. But you'd rather spend that money 
on weed instead of paying people back for the items you purchased on payment 
plans.


On 11/17/2016 3:14 PM, Eden wrote:

How do I contact admin? This harassment has gone on for 4 years. I
have invited Mr. Patel to file a lawsuit against me if he thinks I owe
him money which I do not, but instead he has for 4 years attempted to
harass me in public forums, attempted !be other person to obtain more
personal info and the like. He has mad to being on any blind groups a
nightmare. I am certainly hoping that the rest of this list might
stand up with me and ask for this to stop. I asked a prior list admin
to please ask Mr. Patel to stop tha that least publicly, but I was
told this was a personal matter. I can ignore his personal attacks,
delete is wonderful for that, but when he does this publicly, it
impedes my abiltion to ask questions or my desire to answer others.
Thank you Eden Kizer

- Original Message -
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:59 am
Subject: Re: how can I tell my drivers where to find me




I just asked this, off list;  too soon to have had a reply yet though.
- Original Message -
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 5:41 AM
Subject: RE: how can I tell my drivers where to find me


What does that mean? What do debts have to do with Lift or Uber?

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Shaf Patel
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how can I tell my drivers where to find me

Pay off your debts.

On 11/16/2016 6:42 PM, Eden wrote:
Where I'm being picked up at is going to be a little tricky. I had put 
in a schedule with Lyft which I have never used before.

Where would I go to let the driver know how to find me etc. All
that's in front of my apartments is a parking lot and astreet. I'd
like to make sure they pull into the parking lot. I thought there
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Re: changing topic how to stop harassment

[Paul Richard McGann]

ed,

I have served domestic violation committee for deaf, hard of hearing and 
deafblind for years as well as I was invited to help people with other 
disabilties.


do it to get listserv owner to help you. and I can understand that mark and 
cara are incuded, and they need to act quick.


if he is still bothering you more and more, contact legal counselor to get 
advices.  and things would be aken care of.


sincerely,
rich


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Eden,
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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:15 AM
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Subject: changing topic how to stop harassment

How do I contact admin? This harassment has gone on for 4 years. I have 
invited Mr. Patel to file a lawsuit against me if he thinks I owe him money 
which I do not, but instead he has for 4 years attempted to harass me in 
public forums, attempted !be other person to obtain more personal info and 
the like. He has mad to being on any blind groups a nightmare. I am 
certainly hoping that the rest of this list might stand up with me and ask 
for this to stop. I asked a prior list admin to please ask Mr. Patel to stop 
tha that least publicly, but I was told this was a personal matter. I can 
ignore his personal attacks, delete is wonderful for that, but when he does 
this publicly, it impedes my abiltion to ask questions or my desire to 
answer others. Thank you

Eden Kizer

- Original Message -
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:59 am
Subject: Re: how can I tell my drivers where to find me




I just asked this, off list;  too soon to have had a reply yet though.
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To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 5:41 AM
Subject: RE: how can I tell my drivers where to find me


What does that mean? What do debts have to do with Lift or Uber?

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Of Shaf Patel

Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 3:32 PM
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Subject: Re: how can I tell my drivers where to find me

Pay off your debts.

On 11/16/2016 6:42 PM, Eden wrote:
> Where I'm being picked up at is going to be a little tricky. I had put 
> in a schedule with Lyft which I have never used before.
> Where would I go to let the driver know how to find me etc. All that's 
> in front of my apartments is a parking lot and astreet. I'd
> like to make sure they pull into the parking lot. I thought there might 
> be a place to put such info since it's my house but I

> can't see it you. for either Uber or Lyft. Than
>

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Re: how can I tell my drivers where to find me

[Paul Richard McGann]

rob, if you are on facebook, join blind users of uber and lyft. everyone is 
discussing about issues. it would be nice fo ryou.



-Original Message- 
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone

Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 5:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how can I tell my drivers where to find me

It is now time for admin to get involved,  As this is well into the realms 
of libellous.


public defamation is a suable offence I believe.

R.
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To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: how can I tell my drivers where to find me


If you're going to write a blatant lie, at least do yourself a favor and
learn how to write a / (slash) symbol on your stolen braille display.
Pay back the people you owe, thief.

On 11/17/2016 6:23 AM, Eden wrote:
I apologize for this message. This man has been harassing me for an 
imaginary debt onstoff this list for 4 years. No one will stop

him from doing this on and off list so I apologize.
Eden

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  
Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:41 pm
Subject: RE: how can I tell my drivers where to find me




What does that mean? What do debts have to do with Lift or Uber?

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Pay off your debts.

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Where I'm being picked up at is going to be a little tricky. I had put 
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Re: how can I tell my drivers where to find me

[Paul Richard McGann]

paying debt???

uber and lyft do take your credit card account in progress. then you pay 
nothing extra. just send evaluation how yo rate the driver.



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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:41 AM
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What does that mean? What do debts have to do with Lift or Uber?

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Pay off your debts.

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Where I'm being picked up at is going to be a little tricky. I had put in 
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let the driver know how to find me etc. All that's in front of my 
apartments is a parking lot and astreet. I'd like to make sure they pull 
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Re: Todd, here is the link for you

[Paul Richard McGann]

sandy,

thank you, I found it. will try later.

todd, smile, since you are not nice to app store and itune. hee hee hee! 
they won['t hep you. hee hee hee! just kidding you.


sincerely,
rich


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Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:23 AM
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Subject: Todd, here is the link for you

CamFind - Visual Search, QR Reader, Price Comparison & Barcode Scanner by 
CamFind Inc.

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Re: color id app

[Paul Richard McGann]

sieghard and richard, 

very understanding. that is how I was given fro blind tech trainer who 
expalined to me. somehow, he forgot about multi-color like plaid, and desig. no 
problem. sieghard, yes, I deid in good light. wink! 

richard, blind tech trainer said that digital eye is good for heairng blind who 
rely on voce, not brialle. so that is why I was advised not to use digital eye 
as well as blind square as they are mostly work in voice. we eed to depend on 
brialle display. wink1 thank you1

suincerely, 
rich 


From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 11:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: color id app


I have to mostly agree with Sieghard on this one.
Digit-Eyes sells labels that can be sown into clothes and will last through 
dozens of washing and drying cycles.
If you don't want to go to that extent, try TapTapSee. I am hoping the output 
stays on the screen long enough to use with a braille display. Sieghard is 
right, that the iPhone is not very good at color identification, but TapTapSee 
will at least identify patterns and if the light is good, at least come close 
on the color.
I've used it fairly successfully with shirts with a wide variety of patterns 
and colors and it is probably 75% accurate with color in mediocre lighting and 
gets better in good lighting.
But, you will always want sighted confirmation or good labels like Sieghard 
suggested for any time that being well dressed is important. If it is a casual 
event, and exact matching isn't necessary, with practice TapTapSee can do OK. 
Plus it is free.
HTH,
Richard



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On Nov 15, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:


  Hi Rich and Todd,

   

  Unfortunately iPhone apps for colour identification are all very problematic 
and inaccurate. The problem is that any results greatly depend on what light 
you are in, whether it is daylight or artificial light, direct or indirect 
light and on and on. Dedicated talking colour identifiers like the Colorino  
have an internal light source, you push the opening right up against what you 
want to identify and because all other light from the outside is cut off the 
results are much more accurate and consistent. I know that a talking colour 
identifier may be of very limited use to somebody who is hard of hearing and 
probably it is useless for the DeafBlind, but unfortunately all apps are 
equally bad at given good results. All in all it is probably easier if you tag 
your clothing with washable barcodes and code the barcodes with information as 
to what sort of material and colour the clothing is, then use an app like 
Digit-Eyes to read these labels since I am quite sure this would also work with 
a braille display.

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
  Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 5:43 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: color id app

   

  Rich,

   

  I noticed the same thing as you said below months ago after downloading that 
Color ID app.  I can tell by the way it behaves, not from VO, but from what the 
Braille Sense U2 Mini Braille display said in Braille.

   

  If you or I moved the iPhone a little bit, it will make the camera see 
something where the color is still the same but makes the camera think 
differently.

   

  I have not used the app for a long time now.  It needs some improvements.

   

  My U2 Mini is muted so Braille is the only means.

   

  Todd

   

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Paul Richard McGann
  Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:36 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: color id app

   

  dear sir, 

   

  I am brialle user. okay!

   

  I did test say color and color id appa as there is osmthing. 

   

  close friend said that she listened to voice and said that since my shirt has 
multi-colors. so say color and color id only pick one color instead of saying 
plaid or something like this. I tried few times again on my shirt and few times 
they change different colors. 

   

  have you notice anything like this? do they change colors if you move iphone 
around. 

   

  sincerely, 

  rich 

   

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dear sir, 

I am brialle user. okay!

I did test say color and color id appa as there is osmthing. 

close friend said that she listened to voice and said that since my shirt has 
multi-colors. so say color and color id only pick one color instead of saying 
plaid or something like this. I tried few times again on my shirt and few times 
they change different colors. 

have you notice anything like this? do they change colors if you move iphone 
around. 

sincerely, 
rich 

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Re: Focus automatic in camera

[Paul Richard McGann]

thank you, sieghard and richard, 

about automatic focus, you mean if I leave iphone in tripod, and I want to have 
good picture, I hit button on braille display and it will aim and do utomatic 
click in good position, not bad side? 

about camera and video. I know that camera easily but it also includes video, I 
need to have it staying on tripod, then I can use sign language, will it do 
auto-focus? thank you!

sincerely, 
rich 


From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Focus automatic in camera

In the camera app you can change between back and front camera, by default it 
uses the back camera until you have a 3D touch capable iPhone and you use 3D 
Touch on the camera app where one option is "Take a Selfi", then it will 
automatically be set to the front camera.

I don't think in KNFB Reader you have a choice, it uses the back camera.

Always remember that sighted people want to see what they are taking a picture 
of on the screen, therefore the back camera is normally used when taking a 
picture of anything that is in front of you, you look at the screen and the 
camera points towards whatever you are taking a picture of.

If you are taking a selfi you still look at the screen, but then of course the 
camera has to be facing you and if you were to turn the phone around so the 
back camera would be facing you then a sighted person couldn't see what the 
camera shows on the screen. The front camera which is used for selfis or during 
Facetime or other video calls doesn't have to have the same good resolution 
because at best you are taking a selfi which is really close up and not 
something further away which a sighted person may want to enlarge digitally 
which is when the number of pixels matters. If you enlarge  an image with fewer 
pixels it gets grainier more quickly.

 

Regards,

Sieghgard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 11:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Focus automatic in camera

 

Hi,

If you are wanting a good quality picture, you want the back camera, which is 
the one on the back side of the phone, not on the screen side.

 

If you want to take a selfy, that is the front camera and it is lower quality 
than the back camera, so not good for quality photos or OCR.

 

Richard

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 11:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Focus automatic in camera

 

Hi, I always get confusedThe side of the camera, is it front or back??

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 

Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 1:08 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: Focus automatic in camera

 

Hi Sandra,

 

There is absolutely no reason why a picture or KNFB result should be any 
different whether screen brightness is 0% or 100% or if the screen curtain is 
on especially with the rear camera.

The camera takes the picture and the screen displays it so at best a sighted 
person would not see the picture very good if screen brightness was very low 
and it was bright outside and of course they wouldn't see anything if screen 
curtain was on.

Just to make sure I am not spouting nonsense I just did 2 tests:

 

1.   I took a picture of a printed page with KNFB Reader, first with screen 
brightness at around 46%, then manually set to 0% and then with screen curtain 
on and still at 0% brightness. All 3 scans were read equally well and I could 
not detect any difference.

2.   I asked one of my employees to take a picture, again first at a normal 
brightness level, then with brightness at 0% and then with screen curtain on. 
Afterwards I put brightness back to auto brightness, opened the Photos app and 
asked her to look at the 3 pictures, she said they all were the same.

 

The above is true for both the back and front camera. One thing I wasn't sure 
about is whether the front camera which uses the LED backlighting for the flash 
would actually flash if the screen curtain was on. We went into a dark room and 
tried a picture with Flash set to automatic with the front camera once without 
and once with screen curtain on. My employee said the flash went off both times 
and the pictures looked the same.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 9:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Focus automatic in camera

 

hi, I may be wrong, but certainly screen brightness will affect your 
photograph. for examples, to get a good shot with KNFB reader, I have to 
remember to turn brightness right up, Normandy, it is zero. this isn't true of 
all camera apps, but very difficult to predict which ones it affects and which 
ones it doesn't. same with the screen curtain, some barcode apps 

Re: Pedometer

[Paul Richard McGann]

thank you, sieghard for helping todd. 

todd, go to app store, and go to search tab and click, then go back to top and 
you see search again, then click and type pedometer  as that is all and I 
clicked to enter. it works. you can find pedometer++ when you go through list. 

so I suggest for your eyes (fingers) to be checked. 

sincerely, 
rich 


From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 3:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Pedometer

Todd,

 

>From what you write in your message you put a space between Pedometer and the 
>++, there should not be a spacebut I guess by now this doesn’t matter since 
>several people have posted the direct link to the app.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Todd Patkus
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 11:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Pedometer

 

Rich,

 

I did type “pedometer++” in Search while in app store, yes, and it showed 
nothing like this.

 

Rich, how did you do that?  You pressed on the search tab to make it become 
search then typed “pedometer” by itself?

 

Thank you, Mr. McGann!  Smile

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 7:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pedometer

 

to all, 

 

sorry, todd, I suggest to have your eyes checked.

 

when I was at app store, I hit search,  and I typed pedometer and entered. I 
went through and I found pedometer++ as it is free app. mr. ed, yes, I confirm 
I see it. I believe others would say yes they see it after typing pedometer. oh 
well!

 

sincerely, 

rich

 

 

From: Todd Patkus 

Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 3:24 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Pedometer

 

All:

 

There is no Pedometer++ anywhere in the app store app.

 

Only Pedometer by itself.  It comes in a few different formats:

 

Step counter, calorie, Pacer, but no Pedometer++.

 

It says it is free for iPhone and Apple.

 

That is all.

 

Todd

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Re: Pedometer

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to all, 

sorry, todd, I suggest to have your eyes checked.

when I was at app store, I hit search,  and I typed pedometer and entered. I 
went through and I found pedometer++ as it is free app. mr. ed, yes, I confirm 
I see it. I believe others would say yes they see it after typing pedometer. oh 
well!

sincerely, 
rich


From: Todd Patkus 
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 3:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Pedometer

All:

 

There is no Pedometer++ anywhere in the app store app.

 

Only Pedometer by itself.  It comes in a few different formats:

 

Step counter, calorie, Pacer, but no Pedometer++.

 

It says it is free for iPhone and Apple.

 

That is all.

 

Todd

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Re: Maps in 10.1.1

[Paul Richard McGann]

card grabber is something you are near by. like restaurant, gas, bar, store, 
etc. 

you need gas to pump you up. hee hee hee!

sincerely, 
rich 


From: Todd Patkus 
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 7:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Maps in 10.1.1

To all:

 

If you open Maps on your iPhone 6s or any version, you will see the phrase 
below the weather, Card grabber full screen.

 

What is that for?

 

Todd

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Re: iOS app & Outlook

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to all, 

I hcecked app store and checked search and it does have microsoft outlook emial 
and calender. 

have you tried this microsoft outlook on your iphone?

sincerely, 
rich 

From: Todd Patkus 
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 2:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: iOS app & Outlook

To all:

 

I saw someone on this list talking about Outlook.

 

If so, is there a good app for iOS 10.x.x on an iPhone that acts like Bootcamp 
used on Mac that becomes Microsoft Outlook 2013 or whatever where Mail is 
composed?

 

I just wonder about it.

 

Todd

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Re: Go Cubs Go RingTone

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hello, 

congratuylations to cubs. it is wonderful as cubs are in same division as 
pirates. wink!

anyway, years ago when I had visions, I saw movie “bakvc to future” as it noted 
that cubs would win world series. last year was the due that cubs would win, 
but ouch, the wrong year and now this year. wink1

sincerely, 
rich 


From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 10:55 AM
To: 'ViPone list' 
Subject: Go Cubs Go RingTone

In honor of the Chicago Cubs winning the 2016 World Series, I clipped out part 
of the Steve Goodman song, "Go Cubs Go" and saved it as a Ringtone for iOS.  I 
know there are other versions out there, but I decided to do one for myself and 
thought I’d share it.

Go to my web site: 

www.turner42.com

And go down to the third heading level 2 and right click on the zip file to 
save it on your computer, then unzip it and add it to iTunes:

 

Richard

 

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Re: Option missing

[Paul Richard McGann]

todd, 

big shrugs!!! sorry that yo might have bug this time. ouch! 

just press navigator button when you are on done. that is all. like richard 
said reboot. or else. I know you did, but oh well!

sincerely, 
rich 



From: Todd Patkus 
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 12:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Option missing

Rich,

 

How did you succeed?

 

I sent a message to my text but no response.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Richard McGann
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 11:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Option missing

 

todd and richard, 

 

I tested mine, and I see done and I tried and was successful back to normal. 

 

sincerely, 

rich 

 

 

From: Todd Patkus 

Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 11:59 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: Option missing

 

Richard,

 

I said 10.1.1, not 10.1.

 

Now I cannot get the iPhone and the U2 working where Braille appears.  It says 
Terminal mode on the U2.  I did try pressing the home button thrice to get VO 
do in Braille but nothing.  I sometimes got a click on the home button that 
feels like pop up.

 

I am profoundly deaf and totally blind.  I can neither hear nor see, so Braille 
is the only means of communication!

 

Thanks.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 10:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Option missing

 

 

When I am entering a new contact in iOS 10.1, the done button is at the top 
right where it always has been.

Did you put in a last name or title? Without those, I believe you are just 
going to find cancel.

Perhaps you need to reboot the phone?

Or I'm missing something.

Richard

 

(Sent from my iPhone 5S)


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  All:

   

  I downloaded/installed iOS 10.1.1..

   

  I noticed there is no option called Done while in contacts.  Edit and done 
were in iOS 10.1 but neither appears in 10.1.1!

   

  I have an iPhone 6s running 10.1.1.and a Braille Sense Mini U2.

   

  How do I get out of the contact where a new contact entry is not going away.  
It does not say edit or done.

   

  Todd

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Re: Option missing

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todd and richard, 

I tested mine, and I see done and I tried and was successful back to normal. 

sincerely, 
rich 


From: Todd Patkus 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 11:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Option missing

Richard,

 

I said 10.1.1, not 10.1.

 

Now I cannot get the iPhone and the U2 working where Braille appears.  It says 
Terminal mode on the U2.  I did try pressing the home button thrice to get VO 
do in Braille but nothing.  I sometimes got a click on the home button that 
feels like pop up.

 

I am profoundly deaf and totally blind.  I can neither hear nor see, so Braille 
is the only means of communication!

 

Thanks.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 10:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Option missing

 

 

When I am entering a new contact in iOS 10.1, the done button is at the top 
right where it always has been.

Did you put in a last name or title? Without those, I believe you are just 
going to find cancel.

Perhaps you need to reboot the phone?

Or I'm missing something.

Richard

 

(Sent from my iPhone 5S)


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  All:

   

  I downloaded/installed iOS 10.1.1..

   

  I noticed there is no option called Done while in contacts.  Edit and done 
were in iOS 10.1 but neither appears in 10.1.1!

   

  I have an iPhone 6s running 10.1.1.and a Braille Sense Mini U2.

   

  How do I get out of the contact where a new contact entry is not going away.  
It does not say edit or done.

   

  Todd

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Re: Trivia Game For Apple TV

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all, 

I follow what todd has to say. 

to you all, it is wonderful to provide support for blind who are able to use 
siri as the follow voice as they can listen since many of them are not braille 
users. they rely on voice like siri. so far, if I have yo wearing blindfolds 
and earplugs at same time, how will siri elp people who are brailel users. 

like samantha fischbaum at apple store in south hills village has discovered 
many reasons why some features are not accessible to braille users. she 
witnesses everything as she can tell you as she uses apple watch and compare 
how things turn out as she follows my iphone which onnects to her apple watch. 
when she asks me many quesitons, I say nothing on braille display.  there are 
many invisible on braille displays. you cansee as I pat on your back saying 
good for you to see, but when you have both blindffold and ear plugs at same 
time, you wil not wish to do this. I have fed fcc many issues what microsft and 
apple fail. I understand about majority because many blind use siri more and 
more as they don’t bother with brailel displays. 

to you, I know yo would say oh oh oh  and would bring to the team to review but 
I bet yo put this post to trash. as an advocate, yo need to understand this. 

rich


From: Todd Patkus 
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Trivia Game For Apple TV

To all:

 

I do not really like AppleVis due to too much little things there that have 
nothing to do with deafblind but too blind.  Plus, it is difficult to find 
specific information or specific tips there such as Braille commands for the 
iPhone, so I never bother that site.

 

Unfortunately, that site needs a lot of refining!  It is simple fact.

 

Thanks,

 

Todd

 

That is just a fact.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
MamaPeach
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Trivia Game For Apple TV

 

Have you visited the applevis site? A lot of great games, including trivia 
games, can be found there. Anytime I come across an accessible game, I post the 
information there. It helps to to sign up for notifications so anytime 
something new is added, you will receive an email letting you know. I added 
just a few lately including Tune Clash, QuizBang and Geek Quiz

 

From: Russ Kiehne 

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:26 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Trivia Game For Apple TV

 

Is there anything like this for the ipad, ipod touch and iphone?

 

From: MamaPeach 

Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:19 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Trivia Game For Apple TV

 

I have found a great trivia game for the Apple TV. It is called Super Trivia 
Challenge. It is sort of set up like Jeopardy with five categories with values 
of 100, 200, 300, 400 and 500 points per question. At first you don’t know what 
the categories are but if you do a two finger swipe up once the categories are 
loaded, VoiceOver will read what the categories are. When you click on an 
amount, a question is read aloud by VoiceOver, simply move up or down to read 
the four choices and then click on the one you think is correct. The questions 
are very challenging, but I am able to play this game with no sighted 
assistance whatsoever.

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Re: Problems updating iPhone 6 over the air to ios 10.1

[Paul Richard McGann]

jan, 

the best thing is to go to apple store, or vreizon, or att, or best buy as they 
have some technicians who hep apple or might be authroized to help solving the 
problem. let technicians hep fo rfree.no charges for this. 

sincerely, 
rich 


From: Jan Kleinhans 
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 2:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Problems updating iPhone 6 over the air to ios 10.1

Hi all
Just to let you all know that I have now succeeded with my download of ios 
10.1.  I have tried so many times, and last night when I tried again, it 
actually downloaded the update and I could install it after that.  Why it would 
not work for so many times, I just do not know.  Thank you for all the 
suggestions.  It is good to know that there are so many knowledgeable people 
out there and also people willing to share their knowledge and help.

Regards

Jan

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jan Kleinhans 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 6:48 PM
  Subject: Re: Problems updating iPhone 6 over the air to ios 10.1

  Hi 

  Thanks Fanus, will have a look at that lot as well, mine is normally also 
turned off though, but will give it a try.

  Jan

- Original Message - 
From: Fanus 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Problems updating iPhone 6 over the air to ios 10.1

Hello Jan
I do not know if it will help but a few updates ago my 5S did the same 
trick. For some reason I decided to go into the privacy setting and I turned 
automatic updates off. It used to be off so why it came on again I do not know 
But after turning it off I could do the update. Why this caused the problem is 
not clear. 
Regards
Fanus


From: Jan Kleinhans 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 3:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Problems updating iPhone 6 over the air to ios 10.1

Hi

It's a 64 gb phone, 50,5 gb left on the phone.

Jan

  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 2:34 PM
  Subject: Re: Problems updating iPhone 6 over the air to ios 10.1


  I have not been following this thread. How much room do you have on the 
phone?
  Richard



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  (Sent from my iPod 6)

  On Oct 30, 2016, at 11:43 PM, Jan Kleinhans  
wrote:


Hi

Thanks for all the suggestions.  Indeed wi-fi is working, cellular data 
is off, and the phone can pretty much be used for anything else but for 
updating.  I will try some more during the day, before resetting the whole 
thing as a new phone, was hoping that would not be necessary.  Thanks all the 
same for helping.

Jan

- Original Message - From: "Shai" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: Problems updating iPhone 6 over the air to ios 10.1



  Hello Jan,

  It sounds to me like you have done all that you could do to try to get

  the phone updated. Just to confirm, does your phone state that it is

  connected to WiFI in the status bar at the top of the screen after

  resetting network settings? Are you able to launch and browse the

  Internet with Safari? You might want to try disabling cellular data

  and seeing if you could do the update this way. That way you are sure

  that WiFi is connected. You can turn off cellular data in

  settings/cellular.

  If you still receive the same message, you will  have to reset the

  phone as new again to get it to update to iOS10.1.





  On 10/30/16, Jan Kleinhans  wrote:

Hi all



Because of some problems with my computer which is not relevant 
here, I

tried updating my iPhone 6 to ios 10.1 over the air, but this seems 
to be a

problem.  I get to the point where it starts downloading the 
update, then

after about 5 minutes the message appears: "error downloading 
update" and I

then can close it or retry.  Now, I have tried numerous times, same 
thing

happening.  I have restarted the phone by switching it off, 
rebooting with

the multiple presses of the power button, I've reset the network 
settings,

no apps in the app switcher, but the same thing happens all the 
time.  It is

a 64 gb phone, lots of memory free, so that also is not the 
problem.  I have

used the same wi-fi network to update my wife's iPhone 5S, and 
there were no

problems whatsoever.  What might be the problem here?  When I got 
this

phone, it was just after the 

Fw: November 17, 2016 Commission Open Meeting to Consider Disability-Related Order

[Paul Richard McGann]

here is post for you to follow. 

From: AccessInfo 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:50 PM
To: rkmcg...@comcast.net 
Subject: November 17, 2016 Commission Open Meeting to Consider 
Disability-Related Order


 

On November 17, 2016, the Federal Communications Commission will consider the 
following disability-related order at its Commission agenda meeting:

 

Video Description: Implementation of the Twenty-First Century Communications 
and Video Accessibility Act of 2010: The Commission will consider a Report and 
Order that addresses the amount of video described programming required to be 
made available to consumers.

 

Meeting Agenda:

Word:   https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-341948A1.docx 

PDF:https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-341948A1.pdf 

 

Webcast: The meeting will be streamed live on the Internet with open captioning.

 

The meeting will start at 10:30 a.m. EST, in the Commission Meeting Room 
(TW-C305), 445 12th Street S.W., Washington, DC. It is open to the public and 
will be live streamed.

 

Reasonable Accommodations:  Open captioning and on-site sign language 
interpreting services will be provided for this event. Other reasonable 
accommodations for people with disabilities are available upon request, such as 
tactile interpreting services. Requests for such accommodations should be 
submitted via e‐mail to fcc...@fcc.gov or by calling the Consumer & 
Governmental Affairs Bureau at (202) 418–0530 (voice), (202) 418–0432 (TTY). 
Such requests should include a detailed description of the accommodation 
needed. In addition, please include a way the FCC can contact you if it needs 
more information. Please allow as much advance notice as possible; last‐minute 
requests will be accepted, but may be impossible to fill.

 

 

 

 

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Re: Problems updating iPhone 6 over the air to ios 10.1

[Paul Richard McGann]

jan,

I have no trouble with ios 10.1 at all. there are very slight issues that 
can be bugs, but can be resolved later.


jan, you need to contact apple accessibilities in email and let them know or 
call them about it. thye can take care and make easier. your contact is 
important to hep them knowing.


sincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Shai

Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 1:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Problems updating iPhone 6 over the air to ios 10.1

Hello Jan,
Now that iOS 10.1.1 has been released, you may want to try again.
Perhaps you will be able to download the update this time.
Good luck.


On 10/30/16, Jan Kleinhans  wrote:

Hi

Thanks for all the suggestions.  Indeed wi-fi is working, cellular data is
off, and the phone can pretty much be used for anything else but for
updating.  I will try some more during the day, before resetting the whole
thing as a new phone, was hoping that would not be necessary.  Thanks all
the same for helping.

Jan

- Original Message -
From: "Shai" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: Problems updating iPhone 6 over the air to ios 10.1



Hello Jan,
It sounds to me like you have done all that you could do to try to get
the phone updated. Just to confirm, does your phone state that it is
connected to WiFI in the status bar at the top of the screen after
resetting network settings? Are you able to launch and browse the
Internet with Safari? You might want to try disabling cellular data
and seeing if you could do the update this way. That way you are sure
that WiFi is connected. You can turn off cellular data in
settings/cellular.
If you still receive the same message, you will  have to reset the
phone as new again to get it to update to iOS10.1.


On 10/30/16, Jan Kleinhans  wrote:

Hi all

Because of some problems with my computer which is not relevant here, I
tried updating my iPhone 6 to ios 10.1 over the air, but this seems to 
be


a
problem.  I get to the point where it starts downloading the update,
then
after about 5 minutes the message appears: "error downloading update" 
and


I
then can close it or retry.  Now, I have tried numerous times, same
thing
happening.  I have restarted the phone by switching it off, rebooting
with
the multiple presses of the power button, I've reset the network
settings,
no apps in the app switcher, but the same thing happens all the time. 
It


is
a 64 gb phone, lots of memory free, so that also is not the problem.  I
have
used the same wi-fi network to update my wife's iPhone 5S, and there 
were


no
problems whatsoever.  What might be the problem here?  When I got this
phone, it was just after the release of Ios 10.  I then did a clean
install,
redownloaded the apps I needed from the app store, not using an old
backup.
So, short from setting it up as a new phone again, would there be
something
else that I could try?  It is also connected to power when I attempt
this,
so all those bases are covered.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Jan Kleinhans

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Re: Problems updating iPhone 6 over the air to ios 10.1

[Paul Richard McGann]

richard and jan, 

remind you that if app store is made automatically for updating versions of any 
apps, I remind you that we never know when it is time to find new versions of 
apps being updated automatically. if it happens on air, that is it.

I never expect that there are versions that could be upgraded automatically as 
after ios 9.2 and I got puzzled how all upgrading of any apps being 
automatically done. 

sincerely, 
rich 


From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 8:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Problems updating iPhone 6 over the air to ios 10.1


I have not been following this thread. How much room do you have on the phone?
Richard



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- Satsuki Shibuya




(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Oct 30, 2016, at 11:43 PM, Jan Kleinhans  wrote:


  Hi

  Thanks for all the suggestions.  Indeed wi-fi is working, cellular data is 
off, and the phone can pretty much be used for anything else but for updating.  
I will try some more during the day, before resetting the whole thing as a new 
phone, was hoping that would not be necessary.  Thanks all the same for helping.

  Jan

  - Original Message - From: "Shai" 
  To: 
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 2:39 AM
  Subject: Re: Problems updating iPhone 6 over the air to ios 10.1



Hello Jan,

It sounds to me like you have done all that you could do to try to get

the phone updated. Just to confirm, does your phone state that it is

connected to WiFI in the status bar at the top of the screen after

resetting network settings? Are you able to launch and browse the

Internet with Safari? You might want to try disabling cellular data

and seeing if you could do the update this way. That way you are sure

that WiFi is connected. You can turn off cellular data in

settings/cellular.

If you still receive the same message, you will  have to reset the

phone as new again to get it to update to iOS10.1.





On 10/30/16, Jan Kleinhans  wrote:

  Hi all



  Because of some problems with my computer which is not relevant here, I

  tried updating my iPhone 6 to ios 10.1 over the air, but this seems to be 
a

  problem.  I get to the point where it starts downloading the update, then

  after about 5 minutes the message appears: "error downloading update" and 
I

  then can close it or retry.  Now, I have tried numerous times, same thing

  happening.  I have restarted the phone by switching it off, rebooting with

  the multiple presses of the power button, I've reset the network settings,

  no apps in the app switcher, but the same thing happens all the time.  It 
is

  a 64 gb phone, lots of memory free, so that also is not the problem.  I 
have

  used the same wi-fi network to update my wife's iPhone 5S, and there were 
no

  problems whatsoever.  What might be the problem here?  When I got this

  phone, it was just after the release of Ios 10.  I then did a clean 
install,

  redownloaded the apps I needed from the app store, not using an old 
backup.

  So, short from setting it up as a new phone again, would there be 
something

  else that I could try?  It is also connected to power when I attempt this,

  so all those bases are covered.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.



  Jan Kleinhans



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Re: Voiceover problem

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all, please help my dearest friend with something. I hope yo hep us.
wink1 thank you! rich

-Original Message- 
From: Barbara Milner

Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 2:39 PM
To: Paul Richard McGann
Subject: Voiceover problem

Hello Rich,

You can forward it to your list.

Hello everyone,

Rich explain to you error as he thought it was subject and name turns out it
is not the issues.

I am using IPHone 5 with late update of IOS 9 but not yet update to IOS 10.1

I am also deaf-blind and wondering how can I resolve this issue.

For example when I send Rich e mail then he reply to me then I reply to him
then he reply to me again then I reply to him by hitting 'send' it start to
freezing and it stays on braille display the word 'send' but my iphone's
screen said it was send right away.

I had to wait for the word 'send' to disappear but it didn't. It keeps delay
longer bettween 1 to 5 minutes before it disappear.If it takes longer more
than 1 minute then I would hit home button 3 times to turn off voice over
then it home button 3 times to turn on voiceover to get rid of  the word
'send' that have been stuck. When it was stuck means I can't move to
anywhere till the word disappear. When I used this button to turn off and on
voiceover that helps to make the word 'send' disappear. It is annoying to do
repeating all the times isn't a good idea.

Do you have this issue yourself? If so how can it resolved this matter? I
would aprecaite it

Thank you

Barbara


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Re: Currency converter app

[Paul Richard McGann]

sieghard,

I shared with my dear canadian friend who is deafblind as he is your 
neighbor. wink1


he said best way to go to google website and go to edit box and type 100.00 
usd to canadian dollars. it will show you. I tested and saw 100.00 usd to 
euras and it shows the amount. wink1


I went through app store and did search and found as there are few apps. it 
says my currency converter which is rated five stars. it is a suggestion.


sincerely,
rich



-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Currency converter app

Hi Richard,

Looktel Money Reader is now called "Nand Money Reader". Kim was actually 
looking for an app which converts currency, e.g. US Dollars to Euros, 
British Pounds to US Dollars etc.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Paul Richard McGann

Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 11:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Currency converter app

I still have looktel money reader since and yes I did pay for almost twenty 
dollars as it works for five years, and it is still working well.


wink!

sincerely,
rich


-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 1:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Currency converter app

Hi Kim,

I checked out a few, but many seem to be not that accessible. If you don't 
get a good recommendation you might want to check out Applevis.com. Keep in 
mind that you can ask SIRI to convert currency for you or if you go to 
Google.com in Safari or use the Google app you can also do currency 
conversions. If you use the Google app you can also use your voice, e.g.
"Convert 60 british pounds to canadian Dollars". Otherwise you can type your 
query in the following format (I am using the same example):


60 gbp in cad

This also works great on a desktop or laptop, Google displays the result of 
the conversion before all the other search results for online conversion 
sites etc.
Google and SIRI, by the way, gave me the exact same result for the 60 
british pounds to canadian dollar conversion.



Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Kimberly Samco

Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Currency converter app

Hello,

Can anyone recommend an accessible currency converter app?

Thank you,

Kim


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Re: Currency converter app

[Paul Richard McGann]

thank you siega, and I check on it.


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Currency converter app

Hi Richard,

Looktel Money Reader is now called "Nand Money Reader". Kim was actually 
looking for an app which converts currency, e.g. US Dollars to Euros, 
British Pounds to US Dollars etc.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Paul Richard McGann

Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 11:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Currency converter app

I still have looktel money reader since and yes I did pay for almost twenty 
dollars as it works for five years, and it is still working well.


wink!

sincerely,
rich


-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 1:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Currency converter app

Hi Kim,

I checked out a few, but many seem to be not that accessible. If you don't 
get a good recommendation you might want to check out Applevis.com. Keep in 
mind that you can ask SIRI to convert currency for you or if you go to 
Google.com in Safari or use the Google app you can also do currency 
conversions. If you use the Google app you can also use your voice, e.g.
"Convert 60 british pounds to canadian Dollars". Otherwise you can type your 
query in the following format (I am using the same example):


60 gbp in cad

This also works great on a desktop or laptop, Google displays the result of 
the conversion before all the other search results for online conversion 
sites etc.
Google and SIRI, by the way, gave me the exact same result for the 60 
british pounds to canadian dollar conversion.



Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Kimberly Samco

Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:13 AM
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Subject: Currency converter app

Hello,

Can anyone recommend an accessible currency converter app?

Thank you,

Kim


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Re: Currency converter app

[Paul Richard McGann]

I still have looktel money reader since and yes I did pay for almost twenty 
dollars as it works for five years, and it is still working well.


wink!

sincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 1:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Currency converter app

Hi Kim,

I checked out a few, but many seem to be not that accessible. If you don't 
get a good recommendation you might want to check out Applevis.com. Keep in 
mind that you can ask SIRI to convert currency for you or if you go to 
Google.com in Safari or use the Google app you can also do currency 
conversions. If you use the Google app you can also use your voice, e.g. 
"Convert 60 british pounds to canadian Dollars". Otherwise you can type your 
query in the following format (I am using the same example):


60 gbp in cad

This also works great on a desktop or laptop, Google displays the result of 
the conversion before all the other search results for online conversion 
sites etc.
Google and SIRI, by the way, gave me the exact same result for the 60 
british pounds to canadian dollar conversion.



Regards,
Sieghard

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Of Kimberly Samco

Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:13 AM
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Subject: Currency converter app

Hello,

Can anyone recommend an accessible currency converter app?

Thank you,

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Re: Braille: dot firmness?

[Paul Richard McGann]

jen,

go to voiceover, go to voiceover, then go to braille, then go to find 
whatever you want. you can choose eight dot, input, eight dot output, and 
others. you can try it.


anna, please make it clear that there is nothing in. thank you1

sincerely, rich


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 6:15 AM
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Subject: Braille: dot firmness?

Hi all. Isn't there a setting under vo settings braille display to change 
braille display dot firmness? I'm not finding it.

Thanks:
Jen

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Re: ios10.1 is out now

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all,

I upgraded ios 10.1, and I have no problem with  mail. I ran test and it 
looks wonderful.


sincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Rajmund

Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 5:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ios10.1 is out now

HI,
Sounds like the bug where VoiceOver crashes after sending an email. That, is 
unfortunately, still not fixed. I do, if that helps, experience it.




Sent from a Braille Sense

- Original Message -
From: Paul Richard McGann  <rkmcg...@comcast.net>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 2:47 am
Subject: Re: ios10.1 is out now




scott davert and anyone,

here is post from my dear friend from canada. she has iphone 5. can anyone
hep us? please thank you!

here is post after my name below:

sincerely,
rich

-Original Message- 
From: Barbara Milner

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:58 PM
To: Paul Richard McGann
Subject: Re: ios10.1 is out now

Can you post new message with subject said  the word 'send' keeps freezing
for few seconds to a minute every time I reply e mail since IOS 8 so is
there a way how to resolved this matter as no one have the same problem as 
I

have. I don't undertand. I can't seem to figure it out as it is annoying.

Thanks

Barbara


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Re: ios10.1 is out now

[Paul Richard McGann]

scott davert and anyone,

here is post from my dear friend from canada. she has iphone 5. can anyone 
hep us? please thank you!


here is post after my name below:

sincerely,
rich

-Original Message- 
From: Barbara Milner

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:58 PM
To: Paul Richard McGann
Subject: Re: ios10.1 is out now

Can you post new message with subject said  the word 'send' keeps freezing 
for few seconds to a minute every time I reply e mail since IOS 8 so is 
there a way how to resolved this matter as no one have the same problem as I 
have. I don't undertand. I can't seem to figure it out as it is annoying.


Thanks

Barbara


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Re: iMessage standard SMS question

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all,

I would rather leave imessage mode alone. it is very helpful identifiying 
people who use iphones and other people who don't use iphones. I know which 
one.also it would help you being aware thatpeople who use iphone are out of 
wifias it means these ones are out of wifi ranges and become text. I would 
not objec.t it is very helpful.


gordon, my sister, nieces and friends use samsung, asteroids and othersas I 
know the identifiy as I can see text. and I can see my other reliatives and 
special friends who use iphone, and it reads imessage. it is more likek aim. 
hope this helps you.


sincerely,
rich


-Original Message- 
From: Scott Dollar

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iMessage standard SMS question

Hi,

You will need to turn off the read receipt off.  That is the reason is that
Apple is saying that in the case for nonApple will not be able to get it
when some android phones will not be able to receive them via text messages.

Hope this help you.

Cheers,

Scott Dollar


-Original Message- 
From: Shaf Patel

Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iMessage standard SMS question

Try turning off iMessages and see if that helps. She can also send her
messages to you as text messages by holding on the message and selecting
'send as text message'

On 10/17/2016 5:16 AM, Gordon wrote:

So both me and my GF have iPhones. I temporarily switched to my Android
phone for a while. I can send her text messages and she gets them just
fine. However I don't get her text messages because it sends them as
iMessages. We tried everything, but it wont go back to regular sms
messages for me. Is there a way to tell the system that I'm not
currently using my iPhone and that it needs to see me as an sms instead
of iMessage?



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Re: IOS 10 e-mail question

[Paul Richard McGann]

mary and kimber,

I had my iphone 6 upgrading to ios 10. I am braille user. I have used ios 10 
since last tuesday. it looks so good. no hard time. but only new features.


I have no problems with mail app. I am able to use mail app and it is 
wonderufl. mary, I am able to delete emails. no problems.


you can download ios 10 now.

there were some issues that bugs came up because if iphone has program with 
3d photos, that could put conflict. you don't need 3d app.


sincedrely,
rich

-Original Message- 
From: Kimber Gardner

Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 10 e-mail question

I completely agree with what Mary said which is why I haven't updating
the iOS on my phone yet. I do quite a lot of mail management on my
devices and the new mail app is just not as intuitive for me.

The other thing that really annoys me in mail is how the two finger
flick no longer starts reading at the start of the message but rather
at the start of the screen. Before everyone tells me that all I have
to do is to touch the start of the message then do the flick, I
already know this and I do it. I just don't find it as convenient as
simply doing the flick when a message opens.

Okay, I'll stop whining now.  Though I do hope apple will rethink
some of these issues in a future release of iOS.

On 9/29/16, Mary Otten  wrote:

 The reason I don't like the delete button killing off the whole thread is
that I often don't realize I'm in a thread. If I have been within mail
messages deleting them and then the next one opens, I can get into a 
thread

and not realize it's a thread. Then I hit delete, I get the trash messages
thing, I have to cancel, then go back and expand the threat. That's a lot 
of

messing around that shouldn't have to happen. The other thing I don't like
is that VoiceOver reading is off when you do actually trash a thread from
within a single message. You get the trash messages thing, you agreed to 
it,

then it reads the previous message title, that is the thread you just
trashed, instead of reading the new message title. So then you don't know
anything about the new message, including whether it is part of a thread. 
It

just doesn't seem as efficient. I would rather be with in the mail message
list and delete threads that way.
Mary

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Woody Anna Dresner 
wrote:

Hi,

I really like the Delete button deleting the whole thread because in most
cases, once I've read a thread, I want to delete it. I guess it depends
what you want to do the most frequently.

Cheers,
Anna




On Sep 29, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Thanks for that, Anna, I had not noticed this "More Actions" button. I
still think that if I am in a particular message the delete button 
should

delete htat message only, instead they should put a button to delete the
entire thread in the More Actions choices.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 7:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 10 e-mail question

Hi sieghard and all,

When you have a thread onscreen, you can flick left several times from
the start of the next message to find a More actions button that has the
option to delete a message. That's another way to do it.

Best,
Anna



On Sep 28, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

And to add to Chris's explanation, if it's a tread and you want to 
delete

particular emails in the thread but not the entire thread, you have to
flick down to "Expand Thread", then you can flick through the emails in
the thread and use the delete option of the rotor to delete them.
Also, if you open any email there still is the usual delete button just
above the home key, just remember that if the email is part of a thread
using that button in any email that is part of the thread will delete 
the

entire thread. I think this is actually something that if it's intended
should be changed by Apple, it makes more sense that I can delete a
particular single email which is part of a thread with the delete button
that is at the botrtom of said email. I'm just not sure if it's a bug or
intended to work the way it does now.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Chaffin
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 10 e-mail question


To delete a single email just flick up with one finger and double tap
delete.
If it is a group or thread of messages, just flick up and double tap
delete thread.

Hope this helps,

Chris


On Sep 28, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Kathy Brack  wrote:

I just installed 10  and began reading my e-mails and trying to delete
each one as I went along. I cannot find a delete key. How do I delete n
e-mail? Thanks in