RE: Apple TV Plus, Tehran

2020-09-28 Thread Simon A Fogarty
I haven’t watched that one,
But did watch the show “See” when it came out,

It had very good Audio description
And I thought apple was putting AD into all their shows.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Peter 
Logan
Sent: Tuesday, 29 September 2020 9:10 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple TV Plus, Tehran

Has anyone watched this new series from Apple, and if so did the Audio 
Description work?

I started watching this the other day and after several minutes gave up as 
there was no AD.  According to the details this is supposed to have AD.  All of 
the other Apple TV Plus shows that I have tried out have had it, and I double 
checked that I hadn’t set the AD to off accidently .. I hadn’t ..


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RE: Any tried and tested accessible way to bypass the remote management?

2020-09-27 Thread Simon A Fogarty
What do you mean by 
By pass remote management?

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Sent: Monday, 28 September 2020 11:48 am
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Subject: Any tried and tested accessible way to bypass the remote management?

Hello All. 
has anybody ever tried to bypass  remote management on iphone? I understand it 
has to happen through a computer which in my case will be windows 10 with jaws  
for windows. Your suggestions are sincerely appreciated  


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RE: Battery Dropping 40 Percent Overnight

2020-09-27 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Not n  obvious reason,

But check out other things like is the torch / flashlight feature off,
I’ve turned that on by accident,
Also when did you last restart your phone?

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Sent: Monday, 28 September 2020 4:04 am
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Subject: RE: Battery Dropping 40 Percent Overnight

OK, if it was on by default, is there any reason it would just start draining 
the battery in the last couple of days?  I’m not doubting anyone at all, just 
wondering why the impact would have taken so long to notice.

Thanks,
Sherry Wells

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Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 10:48 AM
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Subject: RE: Battery Dropping 40 Percent Overnight

It is on by default.
You didn’t do anything.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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Subject: RE: Battery Dropping 40 Percent Overnight

Thanks for the screen time suggestion.  It was turned on.  How could this 
happen?  I didn’t even know what it was let alone how to turn it on!

Thanks,
Sherry Wells
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RE: comparison of iWatch 5 and iWatch 6

2020-09-26 Thread Simon A Fogarty
And the apple watch SE has the processor from the apple watch 5,
Yes a new processor in the series 6.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Sunday, 27 September 2020 8:15 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: comparison of iWatch 5 and iWatch 6

It was MyUnderStanding that the ECG  is ON  Apple's Series4 & Series5 
AppleWatch  In AdditionTo its NewlyReleased Series6 AppleWatch, but Not Present 
ON  Apple's NEW AppleWatchSE

As Far as  (I  Know) the Series6 AppleWatch has an Improved Processor & always 
on altimeter

the Series5 AppleWatch comes EquippedWith  Always ON
At 11:57 AM 9/26/2020, you wrote:


>From my reading, the ECG is only on the 6.

The 6 has the always on retina display, and I believe the always on altimeter?

The next step up in processors, I’m not clear on the exact names of the watch 
processors, but it is next one up in the series so a faster processor.



Beyond that, I’m not sure.







Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,†and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert



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mailto:m...@michaelhingson.com>> On Behalf Of 
i...@michaelhingson.com
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: comparison of iWatch 5 and iWatch 6



Michael Hingson Hi all,



I don’t recall seeing any comparison between the just released model 6 and 
the previous model 5 of the iWatch. Might someone please summarize the actual 
differences? What do you get with the 6 that you do not get with the 5. I am 
familiar with the oximeter, but what other differences exist? Thanks.





Best Regards,





Michael Hingson

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RE: comparison of iWatch 5 and iWatch 6

2020-09-26 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Richard,

The ECG was on the 4 and 5 as well as the 6,
But out of the 6 and se yes the 6 has the blood o2 meter, ecg,and something 
else which escapes me.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, 27 September 2020 7:57 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: comparison of iWatch 5 and iWatch 6

>From my reading, the ECG is only on the 6.
The 6 has the always on retina display, and I believe the always on altimeter?
The next step up in processors, I’m not clear on the exact names of the watch 
processors, but it is next one up in the series so a faster processor.

Beyond that, I’m not sure.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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mailto:m...@michaelhingson.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Subject: RE: comparison of iWatch 5 and iWatch 6

Michael Hingson Hi all,

I don’t recall seeing any comparison between the just released model 6 and the 
previous model 5 of the iWatch. Might someone please summarize the actual 
differences? What do you get with the 6 that you do not get with the 5. I am 
familiar with the oximeter, but what other differences exist? Thanks.


Best Regards,


Michael Hingson
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RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

2020-09-26 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Honestly there is no obvious

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Sunday, 27 September 2020 6:41 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Thanks a million Chris. I have another question for you if you do not mind, How 
different is the GPS version from other versions of the iWatch?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: What do you guys think of iWatch six?


The main reason some people choose to get the cell model is for that exact 
reason, you can actually leave your home without your phone if you want. So 
yes, with the cell model, you can make and receive calls without your phone, as 
well as send and receive messages. Just know, making phone calls on your watch 
can drain the battery more quickly.

I also wanted to mention that you can also make and receive calls on the non 
cell model as long as your phone is within some distance. So this can come in 
handy if you do not want to take your phone out of your pocket.

Hope this helps.

Chris


On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:21 PM, Cris Ali 
mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
 Okay Simon. I have another question for you. Is your iWatch cellular or 
bluetooth? What are the exact advantages of the cellular type? For instance, if 
you leave your phone at home and you walk down the street, would you still be 
able to receive a phone call on your watch and answer it?
Cheers,
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:00 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

They wont use up a lot but they wil increase usage when they are in action,

But I would think you should get a good day plus out of the battery.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 12:31 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Thanks Simon,
I want the iWatch six for the health features it has to offer, The oxygen level 
monitor, the heart rate monitor and such. I imagine they would consume a lot of 
battery power.
Cheers,


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 6:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Chris,

I’ve had an apple watch 1 the original,
A series 2 and now a series 4,

None of them have given me more than 2 days battery life at a stretch,

I can get slightly more but not enough to say it made a difference.
But it realy depends on what you are doing in your day and what services / 
features on the watch you have running as they will burn up more battery life 
the more you have running at the time.

Especially with things like the Blood o2 meter as it has LED’s that tell you 
it’s working so they will add to the usage.



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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 7:36 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Hi folks,
I have to admit that I never thought of an iWatch until now. The great medical 
sensors in iWatch six make it more appealing to me than previous watches.
However, I noticed that the apple conference in September 15 never mentioned 
anything about the battery life of this iWatch. Did anyone on this list buy it? 
If so, What do you think of its battery life? I appreciate any comments on this 
watch in general and battery life in particular.

Cris Ali
filasti...@hotmail.com<mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>

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RE: Not enough space to update watch

2020-09-26 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Try eraising the watch back to factory defaults and then updating it to watch 
os 7 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, 27 September 2020 4:09 am
To: viPhone list 
Subject: Not enough space to update watch

When I set my series III watch to update, I get the message that there isn't 
enough space and I should go into the phone, watch app, to delete things.  I 
dont find a place in the watch app to delete items.  I have tried following 
shirley's instructions on deleting apps using the watch, but I can't get to the 
delete command.

How can I make this happen?

thanks,

Ann

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RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

2020-09-26 Thread Simon A Fogarty
And I do that when I leave my phone at the other end of the house,

I use my watch to take a call.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 11:50 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What do you guys think of iWatch six?


The main reason some people choose to get the cell model is for that exact 
reason, you can actually leave your home without your phone if you want. So 
yes, with the cell model, you can make and receive calls without your phone, as 
well as send and receive messages. Just know, making phone calls on your watch 
can drain the battery more quickly.

I also wanted to mention that you can also make and receive calls on the non 
cell model as long as your phone is within some distance. So this can come in 
handy if you do not want to take your phone out of your pocket.

Hope this helps.

Chris



On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:21 PM, Cris Ali 
mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
 Okay Simon. I have another question for you. Is your iWatch cellular or 
bluetooth? What are the exact advantages of the cellular type? For instance, if 
you leave your phone at home and you walk down the street, would you still be 
able to receive a phone call on your watch and answer it?
Cheers,
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:00 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

They wont use up a lot but they wil increase usage when they are in action,

But I would think you should get a good day plus out of the battery.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 12:31 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Thanks Simon,
I want the iWatch six for the health features it has to offer, The oxygen level 
monitor, the heart rate monitor and such. I imagine they would consume a lot of 
battery power.
Cheers,


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 6:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Chris,

I’ve had an apple watch 1 the original,
A series 2 and now a series 4,

None of them have given me more than 2 days battery life at a stretch,

I can get slightly more but not enough to say it made a difference.
But it realy depends on what you are doing in your day and what services / 
features on the watch you have running as they will burn up more battery life 
the more you have running at the time.

Especially with things like the Blood o2 meter as it has LED’s that tell you 
it’s working so they will add to the usage.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 7:36 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Hi folks,
I have to admit that I never thought of an iWatch until now. The great medical 
sensors in iWatch six make it more appealing to me than previous watches.
However, I noticed that the apple conference in September 15 never mentioned 
anything about the battery life of this iWatch. Did anyone on this list buy it? 
If so, What do you think of its battery life? I appreciate any comments on this 
watch in general and battery life in particular.

Cris Ali
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RE: applevis.com has no search box

2020-09-26 Thread Simon A Fogarty
I am pretty sure there is a search field option in the rota as well.

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Wocher
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 10:53 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: applevis.com has no search box

Hello,
I went to the applevis site on my Mac and the search field that used to be 
there is gone. I set my rotor to form fields and its just not there now. This 
is strange.

Greg Wocher


> On Sep 25, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Are you using the rota to find the search field on the site?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 4:16 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: applevis.com has no search box
> 
> Interesting. There was a search box on AppleVis as of a few days ago.
> They must have done a site update recently. I often go to AppleVis to search 
> for apps or other items, and this is the first time that I've noticed it 
> gone. Granted, even when I do a search, I still have to dig down a few 
> layers/pages to find what I want. Perhaps someone from AppleVis can speak to 
> this, since I know they lurk on this list. Well, there's always the good old 
> Google search for finding specific information, but I also know not everyone 
> is comfortable with that too.
> 
> Be well,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
> On 9/25/20, Shirley Baker  wrote:
>> Anymore if I want to know about a particular topic and don't get a 
>> response through emails, I go to the podcast app and type in the 
>> search field what I'm interested in. That's a lot easier for me than going 
>> through applevis.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Richard Turner 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Following up on the comment about people needing to use Applevos.com 
>>> before asking questions on this list… I just went to Applevis.com 
>>> with Microsoft Edge and with Firefox.
>>> 
>>> There are no search boxes, none, nada, nowhere.
>>> 
>>> If you are looking for information on an app, you cannot simply 
>>> search for it.
>>> You have to drill down through many pages to get anything.
>>> Even, after following the link from the main page titled, “Apps,” 
>>> and you find the heading for Apps, it says:
>>> Apps
>>> article
>>> Here at AppleVis we strive to make it easier for you to find great 
>>> and accessible apps to use on Apple products.
>>> From this page, you can browse and search our directories of iOS, 
>>> iPadOS, Mac, Apple Watch, and Apple TV apps; see what apps others 
>>> are recommending; and see which iOS and iPadOS apps our community 
>>> has inducted into our Hall Of Fame.
>>> 
>>> So, I followed the link to search, then you have a bunch (I was 
>>> going to say s***load, but thought better of it) of more links with 
>>> not a search box anywhere to be found.
>>> 
>>> So, at this point, applevis is only marginally useful, especially 
>>> for someone who is a beginner.
>>> 
>>> I have been using iDevices since they became accessible and can find 
>>> what I need most of the time without resorting to asking too many 
>>> questions on the list, but I used to always refer people to 
>>> Applevis, especially for their blog about updates, and I will still 
>>> recommend that.
>>> But as a source to find information about specific apps, or just 
>>> apps in general, it is a crazy rabbit-warren of trails that I won’t 
>>> be bothering with.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
>>> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
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RE: Can’t watch videos on facebook friends have posted

2020-09-25 Thread Simon A Fogarty
If they are videos from your friends on facebook,
Can you watch them in messenger?



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
SoonerAnnie
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 3:24 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can’t watch videos on facebook friends have posted

And I suppose they aren’t muted? Sometimes I have that problem. I can’t imagine 
what you would be doing wrong. Keep hoping someone else will chime in with a 
suggestion that works. I assume you have rebooted your phone and closed 
Facebook in the app switcher, then reopened it? Good luck. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Jen .  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Yes they have sound.
> Jen
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:33 PM, SoonerAnnie  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jen, 
>> 
>> Are you certain the videos have sound? Sometimes they don’t. Just a 
>> suggestion, of course. :) 
>> 
>> Ann 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 25, 2020, at 12:20 AM, Jen .  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi I have an iPhone 8 and running the latest version of ios.
>>> A friend has posted some videos on Facebook which I would like to watch but 
>>> I’m not able to do this.  When I go to the video and double tap nothing 
>>> happens just I get descriptions of the images so I turn off image 
>>> navigation and still I get the same issue so wonder what I am doing wrong 
>>> or is this a known bug and are others having the same problem.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Jen
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RE: am I missing something?????

2020-09-25 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Sure,
It comes down to not everyones perfect and knows everything at one time,
So therefore questions come to  those that ask, at different times.


Wish I knew everything so I didn’t have to ask questions,

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fred 
Olver
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 2:45 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: am I missing something?

No, it is not what I am saying. I have seen times when individuals have sent 
four to six messages to the list when one would have sufficed. I have seen 
messages which I pointed out in mine like what recording app should I get, or 
what GPS app is the best? There is no best it is all subjective, and you know 
what they say about opinions.

Fred
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From: Casey Wollner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 11:53 AM
Subject: RE: am I missing something?

Hi okay then why do we have this list if we can’t ask questions on it?
If we can qall just go to applevis then we really don’t need this list then 
right?
Is that what you are saying?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Fred 
Olver
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: am I missing something?

I have been subscribed to this list now, probably for more than ten years, 
maybe I should say since I purchased my IPhone 4, whenever that was. For the 
most part, I find the threads both useful and interesting, however when I see a 
question like "What would be a good GPS app, or What would be a good recording 
app etc., I start to wonder if I want to continue to be part of this list. As 
most of you know, there is a website, http://www.applevis.com which is a 
repository of information which can not be overshadowed by any other when it 
comes to information about the usefulness of particular app's for blind and 
visually impaired individuals. I urge each one of you who feel the need to ask 
questions which you could easily find the answers yourself from this site to go 
there and have a look at all the information which is available. There are 
lists of app's concerning various needs or wants, there are podcasts for those 
who feel they need further assistance in becoming familiar with a specific 
application and you may just come away with more than you expected. Please, 
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http://www.applevis.com  and thank you.

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RE: am I missing something?????

2020-09-25 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Hi Fred,

I to delete a lot of messages,

However I always read each email incase there is something I can add to the 
thread,

What would be helpful is that if you do see messages / read messages you know 
the answer or have an idea of

Why not help by giving an answer,

Not everyone knows everything or thinks they know everything that is asked,

Your all knowingness would be a useful tool for the list.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fred 
Olver
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 2:41 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: am I missing something?

Richard and others, I find myself hitting the "delete" key most of the time.

Fred
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 10:04 AM
Subject: RE: am I missing something?

Fred,
That is the beauty of the delete key.
If you see a question like that, just hit the delete key.
While I truly love the AppleVis web site, it does not have everything under the 
sun and for some novice users on this list, it is rather a cumbersome site to 
navigate.
I follow the motto, There are no dumb questions.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Fred 
Olver
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 7:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: am I missing something?

I have been subscribed to this list now, probably for more than ten years, 
maybe I should say since I purchased my IPhone 4, whenever that was. For the 
most part, I find the threads both useful and interesting, however when I see a 
question like "What would be a good GPS app, or What would be a good recording 
app etc., I start to wonder if I want to continue to be part of this list. As 
most of you know, there is a website, http://www.applevis.com which is a 
repository of information which can not be overshadowed by any other when it 
comes to information about the usefulness of particular app's for blind and 
visually impaired individuals. I urge each one of you who feel the need to ask 
questions which you could easily find the answers yourself from this site to go 
there and have a look at all the information which is available. There are 
lists of app's concerning various needs or wants, there are podcasts for those 
who feel they need further assistance in becoming familiar with a specific 
application and you may just come away with more than you expected. Please, 
before you bring a question to the list, consider finding the answer at 
http://www.applevis.com  and thank you.

Fred Olver

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RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

2020-09-25 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Sorry not really a question I can answer re the cellular watchs,

We only have the GPS versions here in new Zealand,

But from what I’m aware of
I believe that yes you can get calls on your watch,I don’t know if that is 
correct though.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 2:21 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Okay Simon. I have another question for you. Is your iWatch cellular or 
bluetooth? What are the exact advantages of the cellular type? For instance, if 
you leave your phone at home and you walk down the street, would you still be 
able to receive a phone call on your watch and answer it?
Cheers,
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:00 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

They wont use up a lot but they wil increase usage when they are in action,

But I would think you should get a good day plus out of the battery.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 12:31 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Thanks Simon,
I want the iWatch six for the health features it has to offer, The oxygen level 
monitor, the heart rate monitor and such. I imagine they would consume a lot of 
battery power.
Cheers,


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 6:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Chris,

I’ve had an apple watch 1 the original,
A series 2 and now a series 4,

None of them have given me more than 2 days battery life at a stretch,

I can get slightly more but not enough to say it made a difference.
But it realy depends on what you are doing in your day and what services / 
features on the watch you have running as they will burn up more battery life 
the more you have running at the time.

Especially with things like the Blood o2 meter as it has LED’s that tell you 
it’s working so they will add to the usage.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 7:36 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Hi folks,
I have to admit that I never thought of an iWatch until now. The great medical 
sensors in iWatch six make it more appealing to me than previous watches.
However, I noticed that the apple conference in September 15 never mentioned 
anything about the battery life of this iWatch. Did anyone on this list buy it? 
If so, What do you think of its battery life? I appreciate any comments on this 
watch in general and battery life in particular.

Cris Ali
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RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

2020-09-25 Thread Simon A Fogarty
They wont use up a lot but they wil increase usage when they are in action,

But I would think you should get a good day plus out of the battery.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 12:31 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Thanks Simon,
I want the iWatch six for the health features it has to offer, The oxygen level 
monitor, the heart rate monitor and such. I imagine they would consume a lot of 
battery power.
Cheers,


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 6:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Chris,

I’ve had an apple watch 1 the original,
A series 2 and now a series 4,

None of them have given me more than 2 days battery life at a stretch,

I can get slightly more but not enough to say it made a difference.
But it realy depends on what you are doing in your day and what services / 
features on the watch you have running as they will burn up more battery life 
the more you have running at the time.

Especially with things like the Blood o2 meter as it has LED’s that tell you 
it’s working so they will add to the usage.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 7:36 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Hi folks,
I have to admit that I never thought of an iWatch until now. The great medical 
sensors in iWatch six make it more appealing to me than previous watches.
However, I noticed that the apple conference in September 15 never mentioned 
anything about the battery life of this iWatch. Did anyone on this list buy it? 
If so, What do you think of its battery life? I appreciate any comments on this 
watch in general and battery life in particular.

Cris Ali
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RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

2020-09-25 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Chris,

I’ve had an apple watch 1 the original,
A series 2 and now a series 4,

None of them have given me more than 2 days battery life at a stretch,

I can get slightly more but not enough to say it made a difference.
But it realy depends on what you are doing in your day and what services / 
features on the watch you have running as they will burn up more battery life 
the more you have running at the time.

Especially with things like the Blood o2 meter as it has LED’s that tell you 
it’s working so they will add to the usage.



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Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 7:36 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Hi folks,
I have to admit that I never thought of an iWatch until now. The great medical 
sensors in iWatch six make it more appealing to me than previous watches.
However, I noticed that the apple conference in September 15 never mentioned 
anything about the battery life of this iWatch. Did anyone on this list buy it? 
If so, What do you think of its battery life? I appreciate any comments on this 
watch in general and battery life in particular.

Cris Ali
filasti...@hotmail.com

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RE: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions

2020-09-25 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Interesting 

A question becoming feedback,

I'm not sure how that really works.
Other than a we have no idea and therefore will pass it back to someone else 
that has no idea.

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Otten
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 7:30 am
To: VIPhone via 
Subject: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions

I sent a question to Apple accessibility a couple of days ago, inquiring 
whether they knew if any of the workouts to be featured in the new Apple 
fitness service will be audio described. I got a form letter that said thank 
you for your feedback. We have passed it on to the appropriate department. that 
tells me they didn’t even read it. I didn’t have feedback. I had a question, a 
specific one. So at the very least, the reply should’ve said something about I 
don’t know, but we will check into it and get back to you. But passing it along 
to the appropriate department? That tells me exactly nothing except that 
they’ve actually didn’t read my question. I wonder how common this is for them.


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enough of this! RE: am I missing something?????

2020-09-25 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Ok folks,

Lets pull the plug on this one.\
Everyone has their own thoughts and as useful as apple vis is to some,
Others may not have even known it was there,
And if as Richard says it has no search field then it’s not going to be helpful.

I for one don’t care if someone asks a question on an email list before 
searching on the net for the answer,
Or looks in the crapper to see if the ducks are under the rim,

We’re here to help each other
And if some member think they are better than others and don’t need to ask the 
questions,
Then great, those people can help by providing the answres they think they know.

Now lets all just play nice with each other
So carry on everyone, don’t’ get put off by the perfection nasties!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Casey 
Wollner
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 4:53 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: am I missing something?

Hi okay then why do we have this list if we can’t ask questions on it?
If we can qall just go to applevis then we really don’t need this list then 
right?
Is that what you are saying?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Fred 
Olver
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: am I missing something?

I have been subscribed to this list now, probably for more than ten years, 
maybe I should say since I purchased my IPhone 4, whenever that was. For the 
most part, I find the threads both useful and interesting, however when I see a 
question like "What would be a good GPS app, or What would be a good recording 
app etc., I start to wonder if I want to continue to be part of this list. As 
most of you know, there is a website, http://www.applevis.com which is a 
repository of information which can not be overshadowed by any other when it 
comes to information about the usefulness of particular app's for blind and 
visually impaired individuals. I urge each one of you who feel the need to ask 
questions which you could easily find the answers yourself from this site to go 
there and have a look at all the information which is available. There are 
lists of app's concerning various needs or wants, there are podcasts for those 
who feel they need further assistance in becoming familiar with a specific 
application and you may just come away with more than you expected. Please, 
before you bring a question to the list, consider finding the answer at 
http://www.applevis.com  and thank you.

Fred Olver

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RE: applevis.com has no search box

2020-09-25 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Are you using the rota to find the search field on the site?

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
Merritt
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 4:16 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: applevis.com has no search box

Interesting. There was a search box on AppleVis as of a few days ago.
They must have done a site update recently. I often go to AppleVis to search 
for apps or other items, and this is the first time that I've noticed it gone. 
Granted, even when I do a search, I still have to dig down a few layers/pages 
to find what I want. Perhaps someone from AppleVis can speak to this, since I 
know they lurk on this list. Well, there's always the good old Google search 
for finding specific information, but I also know not everyone is comfortable 
with that too.

Be well,
Wayne Merritt

On 9/25/20, Shirley Baker  wrote:
> Anymore if I want to know about a particular topic and don't get a 
> response through emails, I go to the podcast app and type in the 
> search field what I'm interested in. That's a lot easier for me than going 
> through applevis.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Richard Turner 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Following up on the comment about people needing to use Applevos.com 
>> before asking questions on this list… I just went to Applevis.com 
>> with Microsoft Edge and with Firefox.
>>
>> There are no search boxes, none, nada, nowhere.
>>
>> If you are looking for information on an app, you cannot simply 
>> search for it.
>> You have to drill down through many pages to get anything.
>> Even, after following the link from the main page titled, “Apps,” and 
>> you find the heading for Apps, it says:
>> Apps
>> article
>> Here at AppleVis we strive to make it easier for you to find great 
>> and accessible apps to use on Apple products.
>> From this page, you can browse and search our directories of iOS, 
>> iPadOS, Mac, Apple Watch, and Apple TV apps; see what apps others are 
>> recommending; and see which iOS and iPadOS apps our community has 
>> inducted into our Hall Of Fame.
>>
>> So, I followed the link to search, then you have a bunch (I was going 
>> to say s***load, but thought better of it) of more links with not a 
>> search box anywhere to be found.
>>
>> So, at this point, applevis is only marginally useful, especially for 
>> someone who is a beginner.
>>
>> I have been using iDevices since they became accessible and can find 
>> what I need most of the time without resorting to asking too many 
>> questions on the list, but I used to always refer people to Applevis, 
>> especially for their blog about updates, and I will still recommend that.
>> But as a source to find information about specific apps, or just apps 
>> in general, it is a crazy rabbit-warren of trails that I won’t be 
>> bothering with.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
>> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
>> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have 
>> regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted 
>> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
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RE: How I solved most of my voiceover iOS 14 problem how I solved most of my voiceover iOS 3 team problems

2020-09-25 Thread Simon A Fogarty
And it wont as the issue hasn’t yet been corrected by apple

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 3:00 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How I solved most of my voiceover iOS 14 problem how I solved most 
of my voiceover iOS 3 team problems

For me the Reset did certainly not resolve the focus issues on the Today screen 
or how when you swipe left from the top of the Inbox or message list you get 
stuck on the search box etc. I initially did the reset because I have another 
issue on my iPhone 8 where when I tap on any edit field and Voiceover says 
"text field is editing,, characters, insertion mode at start" this text is 
repeated with every letter I press.
Here is an example, let's say I open a message in the Messages app and I want 
to reply to a text. I double tap on the edit field and Voiceover says:
Message, text field is editing, iMessage, characters, insertion mode at start
So I'm now in editing mode, Voiceover tells me it's an iMessage and I know my 
rotor is set to characters and I'm at the start of the field which of course is 
empty at first.
Let's say I want to start with "Hello", so now I type an "H", here is what I 
hear:
Message, text field is editing, H, characters, insertion mode at end.
Then I type the next letter, the "e" in Hello and I hear
Message, text field is editing, He, characters, insertion mode at end.
Now I type the first L and Voiceover says:
Message, text field is editing, Hel, characters, insertion mode at end.
After I type the last letter, the "o" it will say it all over again now 
speaking the entire word Hello in the middle and as soon as I press the space 
it will repeat it again all over and then I start with the next word and so on. 
Even if I accidently type a wrong letter, it will repeat it all when I press 
the delete key, for example, if I had typed an "r" instead of the "e" in Hello 
it would say:
Message, text field is editing, Hr, characters, insertion mode at end.
If I then press delete to get rid of the r it would repeat but again only 
saying H and as you can see this is very annoying. I had initially asked 
Richard if he had noticed anything like that, but since I did also not read 
anything on Applevis about it and apparently nobody elese has the problem, it 
seems to be unique to me. I already sent this to Apple including the screen 
recording I did and they unfortunately also have no idea.
I use the American femal SIRI voice, but I switched to Samantha to see if it 
made a difference and it does not. It seemed at first that it was gone after 
the Reset all settings, but either I tried it in a place where it didn't happen 
or it came back, because now I am getting this in virtually all edit fields.
Interestingly enough this does not happen if I turn on my Bluetooth keyboard 
and type, if I did this in the same Message field where I previously 
experienced this while typing, it would not happen with a Bluetooth keyboard.
It's a very bizar and I fear very difficult item to figure out for Apple. I 
even removed my glass screen protector because I thought maybe it wasn't on 
good any more and there was someweird touch feedback happening.

Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How I solved most of my voiceover iOS 14 problem how I solved most 
of my voiceover iOS 3 team problems

speaking of voiceover bugs and resetting to default settings, I’ve a 
spanish-speaking blind friend who is a Beta Tester, and way back since Beta2 
when he had VoiceOver issues (specially focus ones), he did a Restore like the 
one you guys are talking about, and bye bye issues!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 24 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:46 a.m., Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> escribió:

Hi Sieghard,

I'm not going to argue that resetting one's settings after a full reset can't 
be done but the amount of time involved will be a function of one's memory or 
documentation of custom settings which I suspect few have. I believe I had 
reset most of mine accept for the background wallpaper color which was reset to 
what appeared to be an orange color. I could not figure out how to get the sea 
green color I previously had back. The bigger issue is identifying the benefit 
of resetting all your settings. I know James said it resolved most of his 
issues but it certainly didn't resolve the one I reported to Apple 
Accessibility. And I can't say I was noticing any difference in responsiveness 
of my SE 2020 after the reset so the cost of the reset in my case was a lot 
greater than any benefit received.

Alan

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS

From: 

IOS 14.0.1 hasn't fixed jumpping around.

2020-09-25 Thread Simon A Fogarty
It's good to see that the IOS14.0.1 update hasn't done a lot,

The jumping around within apps is still definitely there.


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RE: Voiceover on mac and Microsoft Teams

2020-09-24 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Ian,

I have used teams with Mac OS and windows 10,

Have a look at the following URL,
It has a tab / section for accessibility keyboard shortcuts for using teams 
With mac os.
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/keyboard-shortcuts-for-microsoft-teams-2e8e2a70-e8d8-4a19-949b-4c36dd5292d2


Cheeers,

Simon F

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ian 
Harrison
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2020 4:01 am
To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries ; 
'Harry Bell' via VIPhone ; 
applesuppor...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Voiceover on mac and Microsoft Teams

Hi All,

My University is now using Teams for most learning. I was lead to believe it 
was accessible for Mac users, but I am not finding this to be the case. Sighted 
help tells me that Microsoft’s own guidance does not do what it says it should 
do; even using the key control modifier instead of the correct ‘command’.

Am I being stupid here or what?

Kind regards
Ian

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RE: list of my problems with voiceover and iOS 14

2020-09-24 Thread Simon A Fogarty
And this is somewhat the reason apple say to not install the betas on your 
primary devices,

 
Also you have to remember that we the blind / visually impaired community are a 
very small user group of the apple products so they develop for us only as a 
minority to that of the able bodied community,

Yet unlike other companys they do put a lot of work in to accessibility  
features and do take the feed back from those that beta test.


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Sent: Friday, 25 September 2020 6:22 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: list of my problems with voiceover and iOS 14

Although I agree that it's important for blind people to participate in the 
betas and provide feedback, I also agree with Wayne that you have to keep in 
mind that these are betas, so it may not be appropriate for every blind person 
to be running a beta on their only device.

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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Daniel MacDonald
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: list of my problems with voiceover and iOS 14
> 
> hello Wane,
> 
> to each  their own. I myself have one iOS device that can run iOS 14.
> I understand your apprehention about joining the beta program, but why 
> don't you use iTunes on your computer? an update could go wrong 
> sometime when Apple relises them!
> Daniel
> 
> 
> On 9/24/20, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> > I've thought of joining the beta program, but don't want to 
> > compromise my primary device. I don't have a separate device to test 
> > on. Plus, I don't use iTunes on my computer so can't restore 
> > anything if something goes wrong. Hats off to the beta testers 
> > though for the hard work you put in and the bugs you report. No one 
> > can get it all, but great work on what is reported.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> > On 9/23/20, Daniel MacDonald  wrote:
> >> hello,
> >>
> >> I was a  public beta tester before iOS 14 was publicly released to 
> >> the masses. I have ran into a few of these, and I will report them 
> >> post haist once my iPhoner is sent back to me. in the mean time, I 
> >> urge all experiencing bugs to report them to 
> >> accessibil...@apple.com, and then join the Apple beta software 
> >> program. being a member of this program puts you in direct contact with 
> >> Apple's Engenneering team.
> >> they do not email you, but have the best chance of the bugs getting 
> >> fixt  I was speaking to apple accessibility phone tech support, and 
> >> they informed me that currently about five percent of VoiceOver 
> >> users are beta testers. I urge all to join this program and only 
> >> then, with multiple users reporting the same bugs, will are voices 
> >> be herd. time and time again, I see on AppleVis and on several 
> >> email lists, people complaining about the bug they experience and 
> >> doing nothing. the only to rectify all of these complaints, is for 
> >> everybody to join the apple beta software program and report what 
> >> bugs they find , reporting these affore menchined bugs to Apple is 
> >> invabuable. . happy beta testing everybody, Daniel Angus MacDonald
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/23/20, James Lockwood  wrote:
> >>> good afternoon. This is a long message but I urge you to read it 
> >>> all if you use voiceover. I have attempted to make a comprehensive 
> >>> list of all the errors I have noticed that far. Please comment and 
> >>> let me know if you can repeat any or all of these errors and if 
> >>> so, which ones. Also let me know
> >>> how to contact Apple voiceover support to report these problems.   I am
> >>> having several problems with voiceover and iOS 14. I have tried to 
> >>> make a comprehensive list because these problems just started 
> >>> today or yesterday.
> >>> I
> >>> bought my iPhone 11 promax on September 8. I updated four or five 
> >>> days ago whenever the update was available. For some reason either 
> >>> I didn’t notice, or the problems were not occurring for the first 
> >>> few days. Can anyone else reproduce any or all of these issues?
> >>>
> >>> Reaching down to the right corner to hit the dictate button 
> >>> sometimes just holding my finger on the screen makes the iPhone 
> >>> click endlessly as if I am scrolling through thousands of pages 
> >>> This endless clicking when you hold your finger down on the screen 
> >>> also occurs randomly and other apps when you simply put a finger 
> >>> on the screen and don’t move it. It sounds like you’re moving it 
> >>> as fast as humanly possible clicking thousands of times but going 
> >>> nowhere
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The other day My iPhone completely became unresponsive in part. I 
> >>> could flip back-and-forth open up folders but could not open any 
> >>> app. double clicking did nothing. Siri would not do anything.
> >>> Asking her to do anything at all resulted in her stating the 
> 

RE: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

2020-09-24 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Yeh apple maps or even better
Google maps,
Unless you are needing something more specific in the way of a gps system,
Like for dropping a MOAB on a house or something!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2020 5:04 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

Hello,

Is there any gps app free and easy to use?

Thanks,

Rena

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RE: Just Press Record and pausing recordings?

2020-09-24 Thread Simon A Fogarty
I love it as it’s got a watch app also.

So it’s in the passed allowed me to go into a meeting and record the meeting 
without anyone  knowing,

Somewhat not legal but hey it got the job done.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan Yates
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2020 12:56 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Just Press Record and pausing recordings?

Is this app audio only? Wondering if it’s better than voice memo?

Danney
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 24, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Devin Prater 
mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Did you bring that up to the developers of the app?
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 7:38 AM Gerardo Corripio 
mailto:gera1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
With the news that the “Just Press Record” app now generates stereo recordings 
since yesterday’s update, I’m really giving it a go! But what I’d like to see 
is that the Magig Tap instead of stopping completely the recording, allow to 
pause it? What if you were in an interview, and you wanted to pause the 
recording to drink some watr or other tasks? It’d be a bother to have to put 
both recordings together afterwards! Plus if you flick over to the Pause 
Recording button, the recording wouldn’t sound as natural as if via a 
double-tap. Why not make it a toggle, for those who prefer it to behave as 
usual?

Gera
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RE: Jumpy IOS

2020-09-22 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Hi Reggie,

Not was it a problem,
It still is a problem with the betas.

And yes apple should be aware of the issues but still if you can report it to 
them.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Wednesday, 23 September 2020 10:59 am
To: Viphone 
Subject: Jumpy IOS

I think my email didn't get through. If it did, sorry. I am noticing many more 
apps and screens jumping around on swipes and just touching. Now that Apple has 
stopped showing things under your fingers unless focus is in that area swiping 
is the only way to get around. When swiping the screen will jump all over, 
especially to the top making it necessary to swipe again to where you were 
before it jumped. Sometimes it even won't let you get back to that point. Was 
this a problem before the roll out of 14 in the betas? Is it worth calling 
Apple Accessibility to alert them? Thanks.

Reggie Alvarado 

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RE: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

2020-09-21 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Thanks Mark,

That simple change appears to have corrected the jumping over things issues.

With luck they will correct this further.

SF


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, 22 September 2020 7:11 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

Hello Simon,

I can’t find any solution for this on iPad but for the Apple TV with the Siri 
Remote, try the following:

1.
>From the Settings menu, select Accessibility.

2.
Select Navigation and set it to Follow-Focus instead of Direct Touch.  You can 
do this by pressing down on the track pad, once.

That should resolve the issue, for now.

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 9:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

I get this happenin on a number of apps and as yet touching the very bottom 
area of the screen gets me into areas I couldn’t access from top down 

I’m also getting similar navigation situation  on my apple tv It keeps jumping 
apps and or options within the Os and within apps.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Candy 
Lowe
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 5:37 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

Is there any type of work around for this focus problem?  I can not refill my 
prescriptions from CVS because of it.  I will have to get my sighted husband to 
do it or call it in.  
Sent from my iPhone  

On Sep 20, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

But on the positive side, in the Mail app focus now always moves to the next 
message if I delete a message in the Inbox and it's very fast and snappy.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14
 
Also happens in the app store when reviewing available updates.
 
Cristóbal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kimberly
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 8:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14
 
For example when on a log-in screen, I fill in my user and password then flick 
to the logon button and focus jumps back to the edit field where I entered my 
password. In order to focus on the logon button I had flick past it to the next 
element then flick back. Once I did that, focus stayed where I wanted it.
I will be reporting this to Apple accessibility and hope others will too.
 
Kim
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RE: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or without a home button

2020-09-21 Thread Simon A Fogarty
I have also heard rumours about a touch id and face id phone in one,

But that rumour also said it was being looked at for 2021 not the iPhone 12 / 
2020 models.

However no one but apple knows.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, 22 September 2020 12:35 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or without a home 
button

Well, you shouldn’t have long to wait to find out. There may have been articles 
like that, but they’re all rumors, and I basically never believe rumors. I 
haven’t seen anything from the usual sources of rumors that talked about touch 
ID, but who knows?
I just don’t think so.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> I thought I saw some kind of article about the iPhone 12, that 
> mentioned some kind of touch ID along with the face ID.  Kind of like 
> you could choose which you preferred.  I could have been wrong about 
> that though.
> 
>> On 9/21/20, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> What poor battery performance?
>> 
>> I’ve got one I have as a spare and it’s battery life is great.
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of davycupp...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, 22 September 2020 6:18 am
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or 
>> without a home button
>> 
>> Hi folks
>> 
>> Please take into account the poor battery performance of the SE 2020 
>> in comparison with other larger phones.
>> Davy
>> 
>> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Namens 
>> Richard Turner
>> Verzonden: zondag 20 september 2020 23:51
>> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Onderwerp: Re: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or 
>> without a home button
>> 
>> In my very biased opinion as a totally blind person; having a larger 
>> screen is not helpful.
>> The Max phones are huge!
>> the iPhoneSE 2020 is a fine phone. I like mine very much.
>> I also liked the iPhone 11 I had for work.
>> You need to decide what features you want.
>> The main difference between the 11, and 11 pro, and the 11 pro max is 
>> size and cameras.
>> They and the SE 2020 have the same processer.
>> 
>> Unless you plan to become a high amature photographer, I doubt the 
>> advanced camera stuff on the much more expensive phones is going to 
>> make any difference to you.
>> You do not need those camera lenses to do scanning oftext.
>> Be sure and handle the different models at the store and ask lots of 
>> questions.
>> Think about what tasks you did with the 7, and what you may want to 
>> do different.
>> You are looking at a huge price range. the SE 2020 with the maximum 
>> memory I think is about $550. That top 11 pro max is going to be over 
>> $1200 or 1300.
>> Possily more.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
>> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
>> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have 
>> regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted 
>> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
>> 
>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 2:33 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
>> mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think a lot of people will recommend that you get the new iPhone SE 
>> with a home button and touch Id, but ultimately I think you should 
>> take a look at the various phones at your Apple Store.
>> For one thing you wouldn't have to go to an iPhone 11 Pro Max, the 
>> iPhone 11 is a great phone and hundreds of Dollars less expensive and 
>> even if you want the iPhone 11 Pro you could just get a regular size one.
>> If you had a regular iPhone 7 (not the Plus model) the iPhone SE (the 
>> new one of course) will feel most like it, I think for most average 
>> users one of the largest differences between it an an iPhone 11 or 11 
>> Pro is the home button and that one uses Touch Id and the others use Face Id.
>> If price is no issue I would probably opt for the iPhone 11 or 11 
>> Pro, but if you compare an iPhone SE to an 11 Pro you are probably 
>> looking at fully double the price. Too bad you can't wait another 6 
>> weeks or 2 month since then you could get a brand new iPhone 12.
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> mailto:viphone@googlegr

RE: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or without a home button

2020-09-21 Thread Simon A Fogarty
I use my 11 pro max with face id at night and no lights and it works fine for 
me.

As I've said before 

You really need to go to a local store and have them demonstrate the different 
phones to you so you can both feel them for size / feel,

And also get them to turn voiceoer on and let you see how each phone works 
either with or without the home button,

The no home button isn't to me harder or easier,
It's just a different way of thinking and therefore using the phone.

Good luck.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, 22 September 2020 11:08 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or without a home 
button

I don't know how I'd feel with no home button.  I wouldn't like face ID either. 
 Doesn't there have to be a lot of light in the room or something.  My room is 
pretty dark so maybe face ID wouldn't work.

On 9/21/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> It is hard to realize that you've had your phone three months, Gera. 
> It almost seems like I've had my 11 no longer than that, but I got 
> mine Januar 3.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 4:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or without 
> a home button
>
> It'll be 3 months tomorrow that I've my SE 2nd Generation, and what a phone!
> Its size; sound (for which I rarely use the earpods anymore for day to 
> day), and its battery life are awesome! Cheaper than the 10R, and 11, 
> but very powerful for its size! Oh and also Touch ID and, even though 
> it's Haptic, the Home button is still present. Good luck in your final 
> decition!
>
>
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>
>
>   El 21 sep 2020, a la(s) 1:22 p.m., Richard Turner 
>  escribió:
>   
>   
>
>   
>
>   I have no problems with the battery life on the SE 2020.
>
>   I use it quite a bit and at most have to plug it in at night but it 
> gets me through a day’s use.
>
>   At least 6 or more hours of actual use time between emails, texting, 
> listening to books, reading news, exploring apps.
>
>   Even under iOS 14.
>
>   I leave the screen curtain on the vast majority of the time with auoo 
> brightness on so the brightness is at 0 until I need someone to see 
> the screen.
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   Richard
>
>   "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have 
> regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted 
> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
>
>   
>
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of davycupp...@gmail.com
>   Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 11:18 AM
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: RE: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or 
> without a home button
>
>   
>
>   Hi folks
>
>   
>
>   Please take into account the poor battery performance of the SE 2020 
> in comparison with other larger phones.
>
>   Davy
>
>   
>
>   Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Namens 
> Richard Turner
>   Verzonden: zondag 20 september 2020 23:51
>   Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>   Onderwerp: Re: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or 
> without a home button
>
>   
>
>   In my very biased opinion as a totally blind person; having a larger 
> screen is not helpful.
>
>   The Max phones are huge!
>
>   the iPhoneSE 2020 is a fine phone. I like mine very much.
>
>   I also liked the iPhone 11 I had for work.
>
>   You need to decide what features you want.
>
>   The main difference between the 11, and 11 pro, and the 11 pro max is 
> size and cameras.
>
>   They and the SE 2020 have the same processer.
>
>   
>
>   Unless you plan to become a high amature photographer, I doubt the 
> advanced camera stuff on the much more expensive phones is going to 
> make any difference to you.
>
>   You do not need those camera lenses to do scanning oftext.
>
>   Be sure and handle the different models at the store and ask lots of 
> questions.
>
>   Think about what tasks you did with the 7, and what you may want to 
> do different.
>
>   You are looking at a huge price range. the SE 2020 with the maximum 
> memory I  think is about $550. That top 11 pro max is going to be over 
> $1200 or 1300.
>
>   Possily more.
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   Richard
>
>   "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
> pass himself,” and we forget that only 

RE: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

2020-09-21 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Hi Mark,

Thanks I will give that a try,

I'll let you know how it works out.

Cheers,


SF

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, 22 September 2020 7:11 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

Hello Simon,

I can’t find any solution for this on iPad but for the Apple TV with the Siri 
Remote, try the following:

1.
>From the Settings menu, select Accessibility.

2.
Select Navigation and set it to Follow-Focus instead of Direct Touch.  You can 
do this by pressing down on the track pad, once.

That should resolve the issue, for now.

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 9:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

I get this happenin on a number of apps and as yet touching the very bottom 
area of the screen gets me into areas I couldn’t access from top down 

I’m also getting similar navigation situation  on my apple tv It keeps jumping 
apps and or options within the Os and within apps.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Candy 
Lowe
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 5:37 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

Is there any type of work around for this focus problem?  I can not refill my 
prescriptions from CVS because of it.  I will have to get my sighted husband to 
do it or call it in.  
Sent from my iPhone  

On Sep 20, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

But on the positive side, in the Mail app focus now always moves to the next 
message if I delete a message in the Inbox and it's very fast and snappy.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14
 
Also happens in the app store when reviewing available updates.
 
Cristóbal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kimberly
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 8:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14
 
For example when on a log-in screen, I fill in my user and password then flick 
to the logon button and focus jumps back to the edit field where I entered my 
password. In order to focus on the logon button I had flick past it to the next 
element then flick back. Once I did that, focus stayed where I wanted it.
I will be reporting this to Apple accessibility and hope others will too.
 
Kim
Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
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RE: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or without a home button

2020-09-21 Thread Simon A Fogarty
What poor battery performance?

I’ve got one I have as a spare and it’s battery life is great.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, 22 September 2020 6:18 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or without a home 
button

Hi folks

Please take into account the poor battery performance of the SE 2020 in 
comparison with other larger phones.
Davy

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Namens Richard 
Turner
Verzonden: zondag 20 september 2020 23:51
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or without a home 
button

In my very biased opinion as a totally blind person; having a larger screen is 
not helpful.
The Max phones are huge!
the iPhoneSE 2020 is a fine phone. I like mine very much.
I also liked the iPhone 11 I had for work.
You need to decide what features you want.
The main difference between the 11, and 11 pro, and the 11 pro max is size and 
cameras.
They and the SE 2020 have the same processer.

Unless you plan to become a high amature photographer, I doubt the advanced 
camera stuff on the much more expensive phones is going to make any difference 
to you.
You do not need those camera lenses to do scanning oftext.
Be sure and handle the different models at the store and ask lots of questions.
Think about what tasks you did with the 7, and what you may want to do 
different.
You are looking at a huge price range. the SE 2020 with the maximum memory I  
think is about $550. That top 11 pro max is going to be over $1200 or 1300.
Possily more.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 20, 2020, at 2:33 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I think a lot of people will recommend that you get the new iPhone SE with a 
home button and touch Id, but ultimately I think you should take a look at the 
various phones at your Apple Store.
For one thing you wouldn't have to go to an iPhone 11 Pro Max, the iPhone 11 is 
a great phone and hundreds of Dollars less expensive and even if you want the 
iPhone 11 Pro you could just get a regular size one.
If you had a regular iPhone 7 (not the Plus model) the iPhone SE (the new one 
of course) will feel most like it, I think for most average users one of the 
largest differences between it an an iPhone 11 or 11 Pro is the home button and 
that one uses Touch Id and the others use Face Id.
If price is no issue I would probably opt for the iPhone 11 or 11 Pro, but if 
you compare an iPhone SE to an 11 Pro you are probably looking at fully double 
the price. Too bad you can't wait another 6 weeks or 2 month since then you 
could get a brand new iPhone 12.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Alexander Kaiser
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 2:12 PM
To: nfb-t...@nfbnet.org; 
blind...@nfbnet.org; 
nf...@nfbnet.org; 
blind-tech...@groups.io; 
VIPHONE@GOOGLEGROUPS.COM
Subject: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or without a home button

05:12,
P,.,M,.,
United States, And, Canada,
Eastern, daylight, Time,
Sunday, September 20, 2020
Good, Evening,:
Good, Evening, my name is Alexander Kaiser from new Jersey in the United 
States. My IPHONE 7 black 256 gigabyte model broke and on Friday, I will be 
going to the apple store near my area. Should I get the Green IPHONE 11 Pro Max 
512 gigabyte  model without a physical home button or an IPHONE SE2020 that has 
a physical home button? Which one would be most recommended to purchase. I want 
too know which phone is easier to use as a totally blind IPHONE user. Please 
let me know.
Thanks,
Alexander Kaiser
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RE: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or without a home button

2020-09-21 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Yeah and either way they are great phones.

I think at this time I'll be waiting though to see what comes out in 2021,

Gives me time to save and also apple time to get things setup and working 
without the plague to contend with.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Tuesday, 22 September 2020 4:17 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or without a home 
button

Yeah, Simon, when I went to get my phone replacement, I intended to get an XR, 
but they had none; they did have an 11. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 12:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or without a home 
button

And again it’s an each to their own on what size of phone people want / like to 
use.

 

I have an iPhone 11 pro max,

 

I would have got the iphone 11 but they didn’t have it in stock when I went to 
purchase one.

 

That’s why I think going in to a store and having a feel of the physical 
devices to find the one that suits you best.

 

Also if price is an issue the 11 is a larger screen size and cheaper of the 11 
range, 

Good luck with your searching 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 9:51 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or without a home 
button

 

In my very biased opinion as a totally blind person; having a larger screen is 
not helpful. 

The Max phones are huge!

the iPhoneSE 2020 is a fine phone. I like mine very much.

I also liked the iPhone 11 I had for work.

You need to decide what features you want.

The main difference between the 11, and 11 pro, and the 11 pro max is size and 
cameras.

They and the SE 2020 have the same processer. 

 

Unless you plan to become a high amature photographer, I doubt the advanced 
camera stuff on the much more expensive phones is going to make any difference 
to you.

You do not need those camera lenses to do scanning oftext.

Be sure and handle the different models at the store and ask lots of questions.

Think about what tasks you did with the 7, and what you may want to do 
different.

You are looking at a huge price range. the SE 2020 with the maximum memory I  
think is about $550. That top 11 pro max is going to be over $1200 or 1300.

Possily more.

  

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert





On Sep 20, 2020, at 2:33 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

I think a lot of people will recommend that you get the new iPhone SE 
with a home button and touch Id, but ultimately I think you should take a look 
at the various phones at your Apple Store.

For one thing you wouldn't have to go to an iPhone 11 Pro Max, the 
iPhone 11 is a great phone and hundreds of Dollars less expensive and even if 
you want the iPhone 11 Pro you could just get a regular size one.

If you had a regular iPhone 7 (not the Plus model) the iPhone SE (the 
new one of course) will feel most like it, I think for most average users one 
of the largest differences between it an an iPhone 11 or 11 Pro is the home 
button and that one uses Touch Id and the others use Face Id.

If price is no issue I would probably opt for the iPhone 11 or 11 Pro, 
but if you compare an iPhone SE to an 11 Pro you are probably looking at fully 
double the price. Too bad you can't wait another 6 weeks or 2 month since then 
you could get a brand new iPhone 12.

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Alexander Kaiser
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Subject: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or without a 
home button

 

05:12,

P,.,M,.,

United States, And, Canada,

Eastern, daylight, Time,

Sunday, September 20, 2020

Good, Evening,:

Good, Evening, my name is Alexander Kaiser from new Jersey in the 
United States. My IPHONE 7 black 256 gigabyte model broke and on Friday, I will 
be going to the apple store near my area. Should I get the Green IPHO

RE: Caps Lock discovery in iOS 14

2020-09-21 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Thanks Richard,

I’ve been getting sick of the quadruple tapping of the shift key.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, 22 September 2020 1:24 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Caps Lock discovery in iOS 14

When Apple changed the triple tap of the caps lock key to a quadruple tap it 
made getting caps locked turned on very difficult for a lot of people.
I stumbled by accident on to the new method in iOS 14.
Touch the shift key, flick up with one finger and you hear Caps Lock.  Double 
tap and caps lock is on.

Very nice I think.



Richard
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RE: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

2020-09-21 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Yeah it’s a constant issue in a lot of apps


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Danny 
Leung
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 11:03 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14


Hi,

I have the same problem; lost focus in several apps.

More noticeable is WhatsApp and the Blue Litter Bible apps. Sometime in the 
native email app.

Hopefully these issues will be resolved in 14.1.



Blessing,
Danny


On 21 Sep 2020, at 12:01 AM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

I get this happenin on a number of apps and as yet touching the very bottom 
area of the screen gets me into areas I couldn’t access from top down

I’m also getting similar navigation situation  on my apple tv
It keeps jumping apps and or options within the Os and within apps.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Candy 
Lowe
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 5:37 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

Is there any type of work around for this focus problem?  I can not refill my 
prescriptions from CVS because of it.  I will have to get my sighted husband to 
do it or call it in.
Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 20, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

But on the positive side, in the Mail app focus now always moves to the next 
message if I delete a message in the Inbox and it's very fast and snappy.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

Also happens in the app store when reviewing available updates.

Cristóbal

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 8:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

For example when on a log-in screen, I fill in my user and password then flick 
to the logon button and focus jumps back to the edit field where I entered my 
password. In order to focus on the logon button I had flick past it to the next 
element then flick back. Once I did that, focus stayed where I wanted it.
I will be reporting this to Apple accessibility and hope others will too.

Kim
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RE: Toolbar?

2020-09-20 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Oh Christopher,

I dind't know apple had issues, I thought it was perfect in every way shape and 
form!



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Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 5:14 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Toolbar?

It's just too bad people don't ask if there is such a toggle before jumping to 
conclusions on how bad Apple is getting.

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Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 9:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Toolbar?
> 
> Thank God! NO ToolBar mentions. What a relief! It’s so nice to be 
> getting back the voiceOver we’ve known throughout our iPHone lives!
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
> 
> > El 20 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:39 p.m., Cristóbal Muñoz 
> > 
> escribió:
> >
> > Nope. Just disabled that feature and still getting the toolbar thing.
> >
> > Cristóbal
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of
> > Shirley Baker
> > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 6:50 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Toolbar?
> >
> > I am so glad to get rid of the toolbar too. I wondered what it was 
> > for. So glad
> we have so many knowledgable people on this list who know a lot more 
> than me.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Sep 20, 2020, at 8:03 PM, Michael Jones 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Take a look at the verbosity settings for Voiceover.  I set the 
> >> "container
> descriptions" to "do nothing" and I am not getting a lot of the extra speech.
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>  On Sep 20, 2020, at 19:23, Kimber Gardner
>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, that toolbar announcement bugs the crap out of me just like 
> >>> the thing saying "conversations" at the top of the messages app.
> >>>
> >>> Kim
> >>>
>  On 9/20/20, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:
>  Yup. I wrote Apple accessibility as well. Don’t' know if it's a 
>  bug or well intentioned effort to provide more 
>  description/information, but it's one of those cases where more isn't 
>  better.
>  I asked if it isn't in fact a bug, that if they could at the very 
>  least include this behavior only when hints are turned on to give 
>  us more experienced iOS users more options on what's spoken.
>  Same goes for the mail app. Now, when you're focused on a folder, 
>  VO says no unread mail. I mean., you intuitively understand if VO 
>  doesn’t' read X unread messages, there are no unread emails in 
>  that folder or inbox. Just more superfluous chatter we have to 
>  sift through every single time. Again, probably mor appropriate 
>  for when hints
> are turned on.
> 
> 
>  Cristóbal
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf
>  Of Sieghard Weitzel
>  Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:27 PM
>  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>  Subject: RE: Toolbar?
> 
>  I very much agree here, always thought how nice it would be to be 
>  able to turn off how Voiceover says "Dock" whenever I touch one 
>  of the
> apps there.
>  After all, it doesn't say "Home screen 1" if I touch an app on my 
>  first home screen and I think Apple really needs to tie such 
>  redundant announcements to Voiceover Hints or to entirely allow 
>  them to be turned on or off just how you can really customize 
>  what information Jaws speaks. Any half way competent iPhone user 
>  doesn't
> need to hear "Dock" or "Toolbar" or "tab bar"
>  spoken. Yes, you get used to it, but it's still annoying and 
>  hopefully a number of people will write to Apple Accessibility 
>  requesting this. This is definitely one I will point out 
>  especially now that they are expanding such extra announcements.
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf
>  Of Mary Otten
>  Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:58 AM
>  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>  Subject: Re: Toolbar?
> 
>  It would be nice to be able to turn these announcements off. I 
>  mean really, toolbar? But it’s been there all through the beta 
>  cycle, so I’m sure it’s deliberate. More unnecessary verbosity. 
>  Please let us turn all this junk off.
> 
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Richard Turner 
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > That would be considered a feature by Apple, just like the Dock 
> > saying the Dock when you touch the apps at the bottom of your screen.
> > Apparently, we are supposed to know we are in the Toolbar, or 
> > Dock, as if one couldn't figure that out because it is the last 
> > line of the
> screen.
> >
> >
> >
> > Richard
> > "He that 

RE: 14 woes

2020-09-20 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Yeah as I said it’s still there but not by default.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 5:13 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: 14 woes

And this is why you should be careful when taking such advice from a mailing 
list. Not every poster knows what they’re talking about.

If you prefer Talk Back then you can still get a Samsung device since you can 
always install Talk Back, giving you two screen readers to use and choose from.

As it turns out, in the next version of Samsung’s UI, you’ll be getting Talk 
Back. Voice Assistant is no more.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: 14 woes

And if you want talkback don’t get a Samsung,

They are using their own product now not talkback.
Although you can use talkback if you don’t like the other.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com<mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 4:08 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: 14 woes

True, there are and will also be bugs in Android and Talk Back, but it is a 
good thing that we have choices, since not every platform will meet everyone’s 
needs. I hope people will enjoy their iPhone running IOS 14 as well as an 
Android device, if they choose to make that change. Let’s hope that both 
platforms continue to improve and become more and more accessible over time!

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Chaltain at Gmail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: 14 woes

Then enjoy your new Android device, I'm sure in time you'll find bugs just as 
serious and just as many.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: 14 woes

I am done with crapple  The released a bug that never should’ve got out the 
door.  You don’t hear notifications while on a call.  This is a confirmed bug!  
This is the second year in a row where they released something before it is 
ready.  Yes Android has its issues but at least you can hear the notifications 
while on a call.  Also in Android 11 you can do multi finger jesters.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Anne 
West
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 10:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: 14 woes

I just caught up on several days of email. Things have been crazy here.

I never, never download an IOS update the day it comes out. I downloaded 14 
yesterday and got a very unwelcomed surprise when my phone finished.

My iPhone 8 started up on the screen that appears the first time a new phone is 
powered on. That happened to me once before shortly after I got my first 
iPhone. I was on hold for almost 2 hours yesterday for an Apple Advisor and 
finally Leon from WI answered my call. He very patiently walked me through the 
fix and all seems right with the world. I haven’t accessed the media and 
purchases screen but I did play with widgets a little. My apps seem to be okay. 
I haven’t used all of my apps on the phone since I got 14 however. My phone did 
jump around in the messaging and weather apps a bit. Now I know why.

I don’t understand why updates are released before they are ready. Companies 
should wait until they have the updates right. Apple messed up this time.

I’ve never heard of DFU mode and I think it’s something I should forget about. 
But, I’m going to save the article.

That’s it from here. Goodnight all!

Anne

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RE: E-mail client and browser will set to default after restarting the IPhone

2020-09-20 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Ah and that's what would have happened to my phone also.

-Original Message-
From: 'Ming' via VIPhone  
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 4:05 pm
To: viphone 
Subject: E-mail client and browser will set to default after restarting the 
IPhone

hi! all,
in IOS 14
we can set the E-mail client to your favourite one !
but, after restarting the IPhone 
it will back to the default one.
for example:
I set my default browser  from Safari to  Google Chrome.

after restarting the IPhone.

it will back to safari...


Ming chungchiming9950 face book: http://www.facebook.com/mingcm1

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RE: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or without a home button

2020-09-20 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Better screen size 
Better keyboard size 
 And it's also one of those everyone has their own thoughts or requirements 

I like the bigger screen,
You obviously don't,
Therefore a difference of opinion.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 1:57 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or without a home 
button

I don’t know why any blind people would want the really massive phones either. 
But I will say that I have appreciated the extra battery life in the 10Rand 
even in my 7+, before it got iOS 14 and drains faster than it used to. It’s 
worth it to me to get the plus size phone to get the extra battery. But not the 
max. That’s insane in my view. And it’s mega expensive.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> I never understood why people who are blind would want the large plus 
> phones either.  My Iphone 8 is small enough to fit into my pocket or 
> into a small zippered leather bag where one pocket is for my iPhone, 
> and the other fits a portable charger.  An iPhone with 512 gigs would 
> be very cool though, although my 1270 bard books that are on my iPhone 
> now, really should be enough books for me lol.
> 
>> On 9/20/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> I could not agree more. That big is not important to a totally blind person.
>> I have a life-long friend, always has been very smart. When I got my 
>> SE, her daughter got her to get a 7 plus. That poor woman was all 
>> over that phone, finally gave it up and is using, of all things, a Blind 
>> Shell now.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 5:51 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or 
>> without a home button
>> 
>> In my very biased opinion as a totally blind person; having a larger 
>> screen is not helpful.
>> The Max phones are huge!
>> the iPhoneSE 2020 is a fine phone. I like mine very much.
>> I also liked the iPhone 11 I had for work.
>> You need to decide what features you want.
>> The main difference between the 11, and 11 pro, and the 11 pro max is 
>> size and cameras.
>> They and the SE 2020 have the same processer.
>> 
>> Unless you plan to become a high amature photographer, I doubt the 
>> advanced camera stuff on the much more expensive phones is going to 
>> make any difference to you.
>> You do not need those camera lenses to do scanning oftext.
>> Be sure and handle the different models at the store and ask lots of 
>> questions.
>> Think about what tasks you did with the 7, and what you may want to 
>> do different.
>> You are looking at a huge price range. the SE 2020 with the maximum 
>> memory I think is about $550. That top 11 pro max is going to be over 
>> $1200 or 1300.
>> Possily more.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
>> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
>> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have 
>> regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted 
>> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
>> 
>> 
>>On Sep 20, 2020, at 2:33 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>I think a lot of people will recommend that you get the new iPhone 
>> SE with a home button and touch Id, but ultimately I think you should 
>> take a look at the various phones at your Apple Store.
>> 
>>For one thing you wouldn't have to go to an iPhone 11 Pro Max, the 
>> iPhone
>> 11 is a great phone and hundreds of Dollars less expensive and even 
>> if you want the iPhone 11 Pro you could just get a regular size one.
>> 
>>If you had a regular iPhone 7 (not the Plus model) the iPhone SE 
>> (the new one of course) will feel most like it, I think for most 
>> average users one of the largest differences between it an an iPhone 
>> 11 or 11 Pro is the home button and that one uses Touch Id and the others 
>> use Face Id.
>> 
>>If price is no issue I would probably opt for the iPhone 11 or 11 
>> Pro, but if you compare an iPhone SE to an 11 Pro you are probably 
>> looking at fully double the price. Too bad you can't wait another 6 
>> weeks or 2 month since then you could get a brand new iPhone 12.
>> 
>>
>> 
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Alexander Kaiser
>>Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 2:12 PM
>>To: nfb-t...@nfbnet.org; blind...@nfbnet.org; nf...@nfbnet.org; 
>> blind-tech...@groups.io; VIPHONE@GOOGLEGROUPS.COM
>>Subject: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or without 
>> a home button
>> 
>>
>> 
>>05:12,
>> 
>>P,.,M,.,
>> 
>>United States, And, Canada,
>> 
>>Eastern, daylight, Time,
>> 
>>Sunday, 

RE: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or without a home button

2020-09-20 Thread Simon A Fogarty
And again it’s an each to their own on what size of phone people want / like to 
use.

I have an iPhone 11 pro max,

I would have got the iphone 11 but they didn’t have it in stock when I went to 
purchase one.

That’s why I think going in to a store and having a feel of the physical 
devices to find the one that suits you best.

Also if price is an issue the 11 is a larger screen size and cheaper of the 11 
range,
Good luck with your searching


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 9:51 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or without a home 
button

In my very biased opinion as a totally blind person; having a larger screen is 
not helpful.
The Max phones are huge!
the iPhoneSE 2020 is a fine phone. I like mine very much.
I also liked the iPhone 11 I had for work.
You need to decide what features you want.
The main difference between the 11, and 11 pro, and the 11 pro max is size and 
cameras.
They and the SE 2020 have the same processer.

Unless you plan to become a high amature photographer, I doubt the advanced 
camera stuff on the much more expensive phones is going to make any difference 
to you.
You do not need those camera lenses to do scanning oftext.
Be sure and handle the different models at the store and ask lots of questions.
Think about what tasks you did with the 7, and what you may want to do 
different.
You are looking at a huge price range. the SE 2020 with the maximum memory I  
think is about $550. That top 11 pro max is going to be over $1200 or 1300.
Possily more.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Sep 20, 2020, at 2:33 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I think a lot of people will recommend that you get the new iPhone SE with a 
home button and touch Id, but ultimately I think you should take a look at the 
various phones at your Apple Store.
For one thing you wouldn't have to go to an iPhone 11 Pro Max, the iPhone 11 is 
a great phone and hundreds of Dollars less expensive and even if you want the 
iPhone 11 Pro you could just get a regular size one.
If you had a regular iPhone 7 (not the Plus model) the iPhone SE (the new one 
of course) will feel most like it, I think for most average users one of the 
largest differences between it an an iPhone 11 or 11 Pro is the home button and 
that one uses Touch Id and the others use Face Id.
If price is no issue I would probably opt for the iPhone 11 or 11 Pro, but if 
you compare an iPhone SE to an 11 Pro you are probably looking at fully double 
the price. Too bad you can't wait another 6 weeks or 2 month since then you 
could get a brand new iPhone 12.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Alexander Kaiser
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 2:12 PM
To: nfb-t...@nfbnet.org; 
blind...@nfbnet.org; 
nf...@nfbnet.org; 
blind-tech...@groups.io; 
VIPHONE@GOOGLEGROUPS.COM
Subject: purrchasing a new IPHONE should I get one with or without a home button

05:12,
P,.,M,.,
United States, And, Canada,
Eastern, daylight, Time,
Sunday, September 20, 2020
Good, Evening,:
Good, Evening, my name is Alexander Kaiser from new Jersey in the United 
States. My IPHONE 7 black 256 gigabyte model broke and on Friday, I will be 
going to the apple store near my area. Should I get the Green IPHONE 11 Pro Max 
512 gigabyte  model without a physical home button or an IPHONE SE2020 that has 
a physical home button? Which one would be most recommended to purchase. I want 
too know which phone is easier to use as a totally blind IPHONE user. Please 
let me know.
Thanks,
Alexander Kaiser
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RE: Turning off iPhone.

2020-09-20 Thread Simon A Fogarty
sorry but why 8 police officers for one blind person?

 Is that blind person bruce lee or chuck noris or something?

 As for you and the mate in a car,
 A blind guy driving would kind of concern me also and I'd give you the 20 
questions etc if I caught you.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 8:42 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Turning off iPhone.

Yeah... It's funny now, but at the time. I was actually worried. Recent issues 
of police misconduct aside, it's a legit concern. I'm a big brown dude and I 
can't see. How do I know you're who you say you are at my door? How are you 
going to know that I'm actually not being hostile and am blind and thus simply 
distrustful or unaware that you're police? I don’t' just open the door to 
anyone who's trying to kick down my door or barking orders at me.
This isn't hyperbole either. See: Blind man sues LAPD, eight officers for 
excessive force during 2019 arrest 
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-03/la-me-lapd-lawsuit-alleges-officer-suffocated-blind-man
I mean, I've experienced the "treatment" before too. Once while on the way to 
volunteer at a summer camp for blind kids in Malibu a black friend and I as 
soon as we got off the freeway got pulled over and had to do the whole song and 
dance. Roll down the windows, get out, answer where we were going, what we were 
doing etc. I went into full Stevie Wonder helpless blindy look at the sky 
scrunchy face mode with my cane out for good measure. I wasn't trying to get 
curb stomped by LA County sheriffs...
Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 1:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Turning off iPhone.

I can just see the court transcript:

Judge asking the police officer: Please tell us why you kicked in the door of 
Mr. Muñoz And then severely beat a completely helpless, blind man?
Answer: He called 9 1 1 and refused to admit that there was an emergency so I 
beat him up and then his wife had a real reason to call 9 1 1.

Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 1:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Turning off iPhone.

The only thing I'll add to this is to be very careful when selecting which 
button to press. I once was setting myself up to jump on my treadmill. Putting 
the water bottle in place, turning on the machine and getting Spotify ready all 
while holding my iPhone. While holding the phone in my hand, I must have 
subconsciously squeezed the volume up and power button. I must have then 
accidentally selected the emergency call button because next thing I know, my 
phone started to count down and before I was able to cancel it, it connected to 
911. I hung up as no one had picked up yet and I figured that was that, but the 
police called me back and it took me like five minutes to reassure them that it 
was a simple butt dial/accident and that there was no emergency. It was 
something like 5:30 AM so the last thing I wanted was for the fuzz to come 
banging down my door. Forget police brutality, my wife would've probably killed 
me had that happened. Now, whenever I completely turn my phone off, I am vehwwy 
vehwy careful on what button I double tap...

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 1:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Turning off iPhone.

Thanks, Seigal. I'll remember to hold them together now instead of Volume Down 
and then Power; it worked, and wireless charger got it back on. I'll see if 
that makes a battery difference. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 2:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Turning off iPhone.

To turn off your iPhone normally without doing a force reset all you have to do 
is hold down the power button (side button) until the option to Power off or 
Cancel appear on the screen, then double tap Power Off and it's done.
On my iPhone 8 I have to hold the power button for maybe 3 or 4 seconds and 
then Voiceover says "Power Off and focus is already on that button, just double 
tap and the phone turns off.
You could also shut down  your iPhone via Settings > General, the very last 
button on that screen is "Shut Down".


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Turning off iPhone.

Don't you press Volume Down, then hold Power Button for about ten seconds? If 
that is the case, I must have miscounted, when I tried to power down this 
afternoon. 

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RE: Turning off iPhone.

2020-09-20 Thread Simon A Fogarty
But would the wife beat up the cop for beating up the husband?

Or simply make him / her a coffee and breakfast!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 8:19 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Turning off iPhone.

I can just see the court transcript:

Judge asking the police officer: Please tell us why you kicked in the door of 
Mr. Muñoz And then severely beat a completely helpless, blind man?
Answer: He called 9 1 1 and refused to admit that there was an emergency so I 
beat him up and then his wife had a real reason to call 9 1 1.

Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 1:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Turning off iPhone.

The only thing I'll add to this is to be very careful when selecting which 
button to press. I once was setting myself up to jump on my treadmill. Putting 
the water bottle in place, turning on the machine and getting Spotify ready all 
while holding my iPhone. While holding the phone in my hand, I must have 
subconsciously squeezed the volume up and power button. I must have then 
accidentally selected the emergency call button because next thing I know, my 
phone started to count down and before I was able to cancel it, it connected to 
911. I hung up as no one had picked up yet and I figured that was that, but the 
police called me back and it took me like five minutes to reassure them that it 
was a simple butt dial/accident and that there was no emergency. It was 
something like 5:30 AM so the last thing I wanted was for the fuzz to come 
banging down my door. Forget police brutality, my wife would've probably killed 
me had that happened. Now, whenever I completely turn my phone off, I am vehwwy 
vehwy careful on what button I double tap...

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 1:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Turning off iPhone.

Thanks, Seigal. I'll remember to hold them together now instead of Volume Down 
and then Power; it worked, and wireless charger got it back on. I'll see if 
that makes a battery difference. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 2:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Turning off iPhone.

To turn off your iPhone normally without doing a force reset all you have to do 
is hold down the power button (side button) until the option to Power off or 
Cancel appear on the screen, then double tap Power Off and it's done.
On my iPhone 8 I have to hold the power button for maybe 3 or 4 seconds and 
then Voiceover says "Power Off and focus is already on that button, just double 
tap and the phone turns off.
You could also shut down  your iPhone via Settings > General, the very last 
button on that screen is "Shut Down".


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Turning off iPhone.

Don't you press Volume Down, then hold Power Button for about ten seconds? If 
that is the case, I must have miscounted, when I tried to power down this 
afternoon. 

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RE: Turning off iPhone.

2020-09-20 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Yeah I've been close to doing this myself,

 Lucky I was able to cancel it.



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Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 8:16 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Turning off iPhone.

The only thing I'll add to this is to be very careful when selecting which 
button to press. I once was setting myself up to jump on my treadmill. Putting 
the water bottle in place, turning on the machine and getting Spotify ready all 
while holding my iPhone. While holding the phone in my hand, I must have 
subconsciously squeezed the volume up and power button. I must have then 
accidentally selected the emergency call button because next thing I know, my 
phone started to count down and before I was able to cancel it, it connected to 
911. I hung up as no one had picked up yet and I figured that was that, but the 
police called me back and it took me like five minutes to reassure them that it 
was a simple butt dial/accident and that there was no emergency. It was 
something like 5:30 AM so the last thing I wanted was for the fuzz to come 
banging down my door. Forget police brutality, my wife would've probably killed 
me had that happened. Now, whenever I completely turn my phone off, I am vehwwy 
vehwy careful on what button I double tap...

Cristóbal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 1:07 PM
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Subject: RE: Turning off iPhone.

Thanks, Seigal. I'll remember to hold them together now instead of Volume Down 
and then Power; it worked, and wireless charger got it back on. I'll see if 
that makes a battery difference. 

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 2:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Turning off iPhone.

To turn off your iPhone normally without doing a force reset all you have to do 
is hold down the power button (side button) until the option to Power off or 
Cancel appear on the screen, then double tap Power Off and it's done.
On my iPhone 8 I have to hold the power button for maybe 3 or 4 seconds and 
then Voiceover says "Power Off and focus is already on that button, just double 
tap and the phone turns off.
You could also shut down  your iPhone via Settings > General, the very last 
button on that screen is "Shut Down".


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Turning off iPhone.

Don't you press Volume Down, then hold Power Button for about ten seconds? If 
that is the case, I must have miscounted, when I tried to power down this 
afternoon. 

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RE: turning off updates

2020-09-20 Thread Simon A Fogarty
No because you have an update waiting to be installed.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 7:08 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: turning off updates

Ok, I just went there.  14 is dimmed and the only other things I find is 
download and install.

I also find customize which does not have an option to turn off automatic 
updates.

Thanks!
Tammy

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: turning off updates

You go to Settings > General > Software Update


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: turning off updates

Hello,
Apparently, I am looking in the wrong place.  Where do I go to turn off 
software auto updates? I have the SE2020.
Thanks!
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RE: 14 woes

2020-09-20 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Well it’s very hard for apple to be so perfect like those other perfect 
companies like!

Hell, nope just can’t think of any,

Anyone else think of a computer development  / manufacturer software developer 
that creates a product with “No Bugs At All” in their software or Operating 
systems!!!

If you can tell me one, I’ll happily tell you you’re lying!

Bugs are a fact of life in the IT World,

Rather than complaining about them, try being useful and sending feedback to 
the develpers about the bugs you find,

That way they can fix the issues.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 6:17 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: 14 woes

I’m sure not as critical as on apple.  It amazes me the apple users don’t ever 
criticize there lovely apple devices Apple does no wrong  no matter the buggy 
software they release year after year.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: 14 woes

Then enjoy your new Android device, I'm sure in time you'll find bugs just as 
serious and just as many.


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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: 14 woes

I am done with crapple  The released a bug that never should’ve got out the 
door.  You don’t hear notifications while on a call.  This is a confirmed bug!  
This is the second year in a row where they released something before it is 
ready.  Yes Android has its issues but at least you can hear the notifications 
while on a call.  Also in Android 11 you can do multi finger jesters.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Anne 
West
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 10:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: 14 woes

I just caught up on several days of email. Things have been crazy here.

I never, never download an IOS update the day it comes out. I downloaded 14 
yesterday and got a very unwelcomed surprise when my phone finished.

My iPhone 8 started up on the screen that appears the first time a new phone is 
powered on. That happened to me once before shortly after I got my first 
iPhone. I was on hold for almost 2 hours yesterday for an Apple Advisor and 
finally Leon from WI answered my call. He very patiently walked me through the 
fix and all seems right with the world. I haven’t accessed the media and 
purchases screen but I did play with widgets a little. My apps seem to be okay. 
I haven’t used all of my apps on the phone since I got 14 however. My phone did 
jump around in the messaging and weather apps a bit. Now I know why.

I don’t understand why updates are released before they are ready. Companies 
should wait until they have the updates right. Apple messed up this time.

I’ve never heard of DFU mode and I think it’s something I should forget about. 
But, I’m going to save the article.

That’s it from here. Goodnight all!

Anne

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RE: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

2020-09-20 Thread Simon A Fogarty
I get this happenin on a number of apps and as yet touching the very bottom 
area of the screen gets me into areas I couldn’t access from top down

I’m also getting similar navigation situation  on my apple tv
It keeps jumping apps and or options within the Os and within apps.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Candy 
Lowe
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 5:37 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

Is there any type of work around for this focus problem?  I can not refill my 
prescriptions from CVS because of it.  I will have to get my sighted husband to 
do it or call it in.
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 20, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

But on the positive side, in the Mail app focus now always moves to the next 
message if I delete a message in the Inbox and it's very fast and snappy.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
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Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

Also happens in the app store when reviewing available updates.

Cristóbal

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Kimberly
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 8:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

For example when on a log-in screen, I fill in my user and password then flick 
to the logon button and focus jumps back to the edit field where I entered my 
password. In order to focus on the logon button I had flick past it to the next 
element then flick back. Once I did that, focus stayed where I wanted it.
I will be reporting this to Apple accessibility and hope others will too.

Kim
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RE: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

2020-09-20 Thread Simon A Fogarty
I hope they sort out the issues with self driving cars etc by the time  the 
technology gets to new Zealand,

Our roads in a lot of cases are crap and I don't see autonomous  vehicals 
working well until they sort that out here.

As for 5g,
I don't even think they've started putting it in yet,
Providers are still in the testing phases 

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Weitzel
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 5:26 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

I think it will be some time before 5G coverage is complete, I am sure years 
down the road it will be very complete since it's crutial to things like 
self-driving cars and so on.
As for Mark's hope that this year's iPhone 12 include some sort of fingerprint 
authentication in addition to Face Id I highly doubt this will be the case.
My wife and I both have an iPhone 8 and we'll stick with it for at least one 
more year, I don't think this year's phones are going to be that convincing 
with their first generation 5G support and smaller batteries.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 8:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

Both,
The sE has touch ID and you will have a pin code.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Baker
Sent: Saturday, 19 September 2020 6:03 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

With the SE phone, can you use a passcode or touch ID instead of face 
recognition?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Les,
> I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with face 
> ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE plus 
> comes out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better 
> battery, and presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to 
> recommend. The biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home button. 
> And you don’t really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even describe 
> somewhere on AppleVis.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark and Aul,
>> 
>> Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be 
>> purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am 
>> not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, 
>> however. Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I 
>> would be. Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can 
>> recommend as I prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance 
>> for any assistance.
>> Best regards,
>> Les
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Family,
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
>>> 
>>> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
>>> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, 
>>> albeit a scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This 
>>> feature drove me crazy because it kept saying something like 
>>> "triangle or diagonal" almost all the time when viewing items in a 
>>> list.  It took me what seemed like forever to find where this 
>>> feature was located in the OS.  I found the setting under VoiceOver 
>>> Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so did not disable the 
>>> feature until after a restart of the device.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the 
>>> scene descriptions were set to off, by default.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been 
>>> on the market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, 
>>> sooner or later, installing the latest OS begins to slow down the 
>>> responsiveness of the phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on 
>>> my 8 Plus until after hearing from various people on this list, that 
>>> doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to slow down.  I am also not going 
>>> to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am planning on purchasing an 
>>> iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it ships with a Touch 
>>> ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the iPhone 12 
>>> does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try 

RE: 14 woes

2020-09-20 Thread Simon A Fogarty
And if you want talkback don’t get a Samsung,

They are using their own product now not talkback.
Although you can use talkback if you don’t like the other.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 4:08 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: 14 woes

True, there are and will also be bugs in Android and Talk Back, but it is a 
good thing that we have choices, since not every platform will meet everyone’s 
needs. I hope people will enjoy their iPhone running IOS 14 as well as an 
Android device, if they choose to make that change. Let’s hope that both 
platforms continue to improve and become more and more accessible over time!

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: 14 woes

Then enjoy your new Android device, I'm sure in time you'll find bugs just as 
serious and just as many.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: 14 woes

I am done with crapple  The released a bug that never should’ve got out the 
door.  You don’t hear notifications while on a call.  This is a confirmed bug!  
This is the second year in a row where they released something before it is 
ready.  Yes Android has its issues but at least you can hear the notifications 
while on a call.  Also in Android 11 you can do multi finger jesters.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Anne 
West
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 10:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: 14 woes

I just caught up on several days of email. Things have been crazy here.

I never, never download an IOS update the day it comes out. I downloaded 14 
yesterday and got a very unwelcomed surprise when my phone finished.

My iPhone 8 started up on the screen that appears the first time a new phone is 
powered on. That happened to me once before shortly after I got my first 
iPhone. I was on hold for almost 2 hours yesterday for an Apple Advisor and 
finally Leon from WI answered my call. He very patiently walked me through the 
fix and all seems right with the world. I haven’t accessed the media and 
purchases screen but I did play with widgets a little. My apps seem to be okay. 
I haven’t used all of my apps on the phone since I got 14 however. My phone did 
jump around in the messaging and weather apps a bit. Now I know why.

I don’t understand why updates are released before they are ready. Companies 
should wait until they have the updates right. Apple messed up this time.

I’ve never heard of DFU mode and I think it’s something I should forget about. 
But, I’m going to save the article.

That’s it from here. Goodnight all!

Anne

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RE: 14 woes

2020-09-20 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Bye bye!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 3:22 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: 14 woes

Then enjoy your new Android device, I'm sure in time you'll find bugs just as 
serious and just as many.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: 14 woes

I am done with crapple  The released a bug that never should’ve got out the 
door.  You don’t hear notifications while on a call.  This is a confirmed bug!  
This is the second year in a row where they released something before it is 
ready.  Yes Android has its issues but at least you can hear the notifications 
while on a call.  Also in Android 11 you can do multi finger jesters.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Anne 
West
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 10:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: 14 woes

I just caught up on several days of email. Things have been crazy here.

I never, never download an IOS update the day it comes out. I downloaded 14 
yesterday and got a very unwelcomed surprise when my phone finished.

My iPhone 8 started up on the screen that appears the first time a new phone is 
powered on. That happened to me once before shortly after I got my first 
iPhone. I was on hold for almost 2 hours yesterday for an Apple Advisor and 
finally Leon from WI answered my call. He very patiently walked me through the 
fix and all seems right with the world. I haven’t accessed the media and 
purchases screen but I did play with widgets a little. My apps seem to be okay. 
I haven’t used all of my apps on the phone since I got 14 however. My phone did 
jump around in the messaging and weather apps a bit. Now I know why.

I don’t understand why updates are released before they are ready. Companies 
should wait until they have the updates right. Apple messed up this time.

I’ve never heard of DFU mode and I think it’s something I should forget about. 
But, I’m going to save the article.

That’s it from here. Goodnight all!

Anne

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RE: Big-time battery drain on my iPhone 7 Plus

2020-09-20 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Hi Sieghard

Re your watch os 7 issues,

I have noticed an increase in battery useage but I haven’t enabled the sleep 
tracking app,

I can’t see the point when I have my watch on charge over night and therefore 
don’t need to enable that feature.

But one thing I did notice today is that I wasn’t able to change the watch face,

I changed by accident to the infagraph modulaface and when trying to change 
back to infagraph,

It wouldn’t let me make that change.

Any chance you can reproduce?

Chers for any info.

Simon f

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Weitzel
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 3:05 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Big-time battery drain on my iPhone 7 Plus

For me battery life on my iPhone 8 seems similar, maybe a bit worse than 
before. However, I find that after upgrading my fifth generation Apple Watch to 
WatchOS 7 I now often run out of battery by 6 PM and that is with the battery 
fully charged to 100% at 8 AM. I did set up the sleep tracking and wonder if 
that is to blame, but I'm certainly not happy about that.


From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 12:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Big-time battery drain on my iPhone 7 Plus

I had huge battery drain on my SE 2020 after upgrade to iOS 14 for days, so I 
did a hard reboot, which didn’t cure it so yesterday I did a soft restart and 
tgat seems to have improved things.
Harry

On 20 Sep 2020, at 05:58, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 Hi Mary,
Has your battery issue hesolved?
I  waited a couple days to be sure I evaluate my battery life on the SE 2020 
and the first generation SE, and binth have been very good.
No extra fast battery drain.
The SE 2020 has what I am guessing is still the beta that came out the day 
before the release.
I've seen no new public betas even though the developers are on a later 14.x 
build.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 16, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have been running the beta on my iPhone 7 Plus, and throughout the entire 
cycle, I never noticed anything strange about battery drain. Yesterday, I 
downloaded what I presume was the golden master. When I went to bed last night, 
my phone had the airplane mode on and Wi-Fi off. Screen was locked. I don’t 
remember exactly what my battery was, but I know it was way over 50. I got up 
this morning to a dead battery. 0%. I charged it up to 100, and now, it’s down 
in the 40s again. I’ve been using it, but not that much. And I always leave the 
screen locked when the phone is not in use. This battery drain is astonishing. 
I just put iOS 14 on my other phone, a Xr, so I guess I’ll see what happens. 
Strange that all the way through the cycle I didn’t have any issues, but now 
it’s not good at all.


Sent from my iPhone

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RE: How To Put An iPhone In DFU Mode, The Apple Way

2020-09-20 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Thanks Mark,
This is interesting, 
I think I've been doing this wrong according to this article.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, 20 September 2020 11:53 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How To Put An iPhone In DFU Mode, The Apple Way

How To Put An iPhone In DFU Mode, The Apple Way By David Payette:  February 20, 
2019

DFU stands for Device Firmware Update, and it's the deepest type of restore you 
can do on an iPhone. An Apple lead genius taught me how to put iPhones into DFU 
mode, and as an Apple tech, I've done it hundreds of times.

Surprisingly, I've never seen another article explain how to enter DFU mode the 
way I was trained. A lot of the information out there is just plain wrong. In 
this article, I'll explain what DFU mode is, how firmware works on your iPhone, 
and show you step-by-step how to DFU restore your iPhone.

If you'd rather watch than read (actually, both can be helpful), skip down to 
our new YouTube video about DFU mode and how to DFU restore an iPhone.
What You Need To Know Before We Begin
.   The Home Button is the circular button below your iPhone's display.
.   The Sleep / Wake Button is Apple's name for the power button.
.   You'll need a timer to count to 8 seconds (or you can do it in your
head).
.   If you can, back up your iPhone to iCloud, iTunes, or Finder before
put your iPhone in DFU mode.
.  NEW: Macs running macOS Catalina 10.15 or newer use Finder to DFU restore 
iPhones.

How To Put An iPhone In DFU Mode
1.
Plug your iPhone into your computer and open iTunes if you have a Mac running 
macOS Mojave 10.14 or a PC. Open Finder if you have a Mac running macOS 
Catalina 10.15 or newer. It doesn't matter if your iPhone is on or off.

2.
Press and hold the Sleep / Wake Button and Home Button (iPhone 6s and below) or 
the volume down button (iPhone 7) together for 8 seconds.
3.
After 8 seconds, release the Sleep / Wake Button but continue to hold the Home 
Button (iPhone 6s and below) or the volume down button (iPhone 7) until your 
iPhone appears in iTunes or Finder. 
4.
Let go of the Home Button or volume down button. Your iPhone's display will be 
completely black if you've successfully entered DFU mode. If it's not, try 
again from the beginning.
5.
Restore your iPhone using iTunes or Finder.

How To Put An iPhone 8, 8 Plus, Or X In DFU Mode A lot of other websites give 
false, misleading, or overcomplicated steps when telling you how to DFU restore 
your iPhone 8, 8 Plus, or X. They'll tell you to turn off your iPhone first, 
which is completely unnecessary.
Your iPhone does not have to be off before you put it in DFU Mode.

If you like our videos, watch our new YouTube video about how to DFU restore 
your iPhone X, 8, or 8 Plus. If you prefer to read the steps, the process is 
actually a lot easier than they make it out to be! The process starts off just 
like a hard reset.
1.
To DFU restore your iPhone X, 8, or 8 Plus, quickly press and release the 
volume up button, then quickly press and release the volume down button, and 
then press and hold the side button until the screen goes black.
2.
As soon as the screen turns black, press and hold the volume down button while 
continuing to hold the side button.
3.
After 5 seconds, release the side button but continue to hold the volume down 
button until your iPhone shows up in iTunes or Finder.
4.
As soon as it appears in iTunes or Finder, release the volume button. Ta-da!
Your iPhone is in DFU mode.
Note: If the Apple logo is appearing on the screen, you held down the volume 
down button for too long. Start the process over from the beginning and try 
again.

How To Put An iPhone XS, XS Max, Or XR In DFU Mode The steps for putting an 
iPhone XS, XS Max, XR in DFU mode are exactly the same as the steps for the 
iPhone 8, 8 Plus, and X. Check out our YouTube video about putting an iPhone 
XS, XS Max, or XR in DFU mode if you're more of a visual learner! We use my 
iPhone XS to walk you through every step of the process.

How To Put An iPhone 11, 11 Pro, Or 11 Pro Max In DFU Mode You can put an 
iPhone 11, 11 Pro, and 11 Pro Max in DFU mode by following the same steps as 
you would for an iPhone 8 or newer. Check out our YouTube video if you need 
help working through the process.
If You'd Rather Watch Than Read.
Check out our new YouTube tutorial on how to put an iPhone into DFU mode and 
how to perform a DFU restore if you'd like to see it in action.

A Word Of Warning
When you DFU restore your iPhone, your computer erases and reloads every bit of 
code that controls the software and hardware on your iPhone. There's the 
potential for something to go wrong.

If your iPhone is damaged in any way, and especially if it's water-damaged, a 
DFU restore may break your iPhone. I've worked with customers who tried to 
restore their iPhones to fix a minor problem, but water had damaged another 
component that prevented the restore from 

RE: Podcasts problem in iOS 14

2020-09-19 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Cheers for that,

I'll have to check it out 

Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, 20 September 2020 3:04 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Podcasts problem in iOS 14

I really like Overcast.  It is free.  It has some settings that can speed up 
the playback by suppressing some of the silences so not actually speeding up 
the voices, though you can do that.
It is easy to use with VoiceOVer and I set mine to default to streaming rather 
than downloading since I always listen when on Wi-Fi.

HTH,


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 7:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Podcasts problem in iOS 14

Richard,

So Overcast is a good podcast player?

I tried the default one in IOs and ended that very quickly, I'm not a fan of it.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, 20 September 2020 2:21 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Podcasts problem in iOS 14

I removed the native Podcast app in favor of Overcast and it still offers the 
flick up or down to delete.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 1:34 AM
To: Abridged Recipients 
Subject: Fwd: Podcasts problem in iOS 14


> 
> 
>> 
>> While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and 
>> the podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be no 
>> way to flick to delete that particular episode as they used to be in 
>> iOS 13. I can now double tap and hold and select either remove which 
>> sounds scary or mark as played, but they used to be a simple gesture 
>> that you could flick up or down to delete that particular episode 
>> Harry

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RE: Podcasts problem in iOS 14

2020-09-19 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Richard,

So Overcast is a good podcast player?

I tried the default one in IOs and ended that very quickly,
I'm not a fan of it.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, 20 September 2020 2:21 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Podcasts problem in iOS 14

I removed the native Podcast app in favor of Overcast and it still offers the 
flick up or down to delete.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 1:34 AM
To: Abridged Recipients 
Subject: Fwd: Podcasts problem in iOS 14


> 
> 
>> 
>> While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and 
>> the podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be no 
>> way to flick to delete that particular episode as they used to be in 
>> iOS 13. I can now double tap and hold and select either remove which 
>> sounds scary or mark as played, but they used to be a simple gesture 
>> that you could flick up or down to delete that particular episode 
>> Harry

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RE: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

2020-09-18 Thread Simon A Fogarty
It's not just whats up 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Saturday, 19 September 2020 6:39 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around under iOS14

On Whatsapp, especially in Whatsapp groups. The focus seems to go back 
somewhere in the beginning of the message list, or the middle, for which I use 
the Progress bar on the right side of the screen, to put me at the end of the 
list, to double-tap where it says Recent messages.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 18 sep 2020, a la(s) 11:28 a.m., Wayne Merritt  
> escribió:
> 
> I have only had this happen once so far, when in the Watch app on the 
> iPhone, my focus jumped a little when flicking through the buttons on 
> the Software Update screen. Another option for getting the info is to 
> explore by touch. Granted, the behavior is annoying.
> 
> Wayne
> 
>> On 9/18/20, Afik Souffir  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, its happends to me to.
>> I'm on the 14.2 beta, so I'll report this to Apple in just a minute.
>> 
>> Please folks, any such issues report straight to 
>> accessibil...@apple.com
>> 
>> Afik.
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Kimberly
>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 6:46 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Is anyone else having trouble with focus jumping around 
>> under
>> iOS14
>> 
>> For example when on a log-in screen, I fill in my user and password 
>> then flick to the logon button and focus jumps back to the edit field 
>> where I entered my password. In order to focus on the logon button I 
>> had flick past it to the next element then flick back. Once I did 
>> that, focus stayed where I wanted it.
>> I will be reporting this to Apple accessibility and hope others will too.
>> 
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RE: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

2020-09-18 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Both,
The sE has touch ID and you will have a pin code.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Baker
Sent: Saturday, 19 September 2020 6:03 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

With the SE phone, can you use a passcode or touch ID instead of face 
recognition?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Les,
> I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with face 
> ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE plus 
> comes out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better 
> battery, and presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to 
> recommend. The biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home button. 
> And you don’t really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even describe 
> somewhere on AppleVis.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark and Aul,
>> 
>> Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be 
>> purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am 
>> not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, 
>> however. Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I 
>> would be. Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can 
>> recommend as I prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance 
>> for any assistance.
>> Best regards,
>> Les
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Family,
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
>>> 
>>> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
>>> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, 
>>> albeit a scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This 
>>> feature drove me crazy because it kept saying something like 
>>> "triangle or diagonal" almost all the time when viewing items in a 
>>> list.  It took me what seemed like forever to find where this 
>>> feature was located in the OS.  I found the setting under VoiceOver 
>>> Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so did not disable the 
>>> feature until after a restart of the device.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the 
>>> scene descriptions were set to off, by default.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been 
>>> on the market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, 
>>> sooner or later, installing the latest OS begins to slow down the 
>>> responsiveness of the phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on 
>>> my 8 Plus until after hearing from various people on this list, that 
>>> doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to slow down.  I am also not going 
>>> to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am planning on purchasing an 
>>> iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it ships with a Touch 
>>> ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the iPhone 12 
>>> does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out for 
>>> another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on a 
>>> later model.
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch 
>>> ID sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the 
>>> same or similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that 
>>> they have implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of 
>>> iPAds, all bets are off.  Just have to wait and see.
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we 
>>> can talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and 
>>> devices.
>>> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
>>> 
>>> I hope you are all doing well.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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RE: Annoying change in the actions rotor and messages

2020-09-17 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Yes under settings, accessibility 
Vision 
Rota.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marty 
Hutchings
Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 4:15 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Annoying change in the actions rotor and messages

I might be mistaken as I am still new to the whole ios thing, but I believe 
that you can remove items from the rotor that you do not find useful.



Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William 
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fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
-Original Message- 
From: Shirley Baker
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Annoying change in the actions rotor and messages

So if you double tap pin, then it automatically does that?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2020, at 10:52 PM, Shirley Baker  
> wrote:
>
> What does pin do?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 17, 2020, at 10:17 PM, Richard Turner 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, apparently flicking up gets Drag, flicking down gets Pin.  Down 
>> again and you have delete.
>> I would have put delete first, then pin.  I'm not sure what the heck drag 
>> does anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - 
>> Edward Herbert
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 8:14 PM
>> To: VIPhone via 
>> Subject: Annoying change in the actions rotor and messages
>>
>> In messages in iOS 13, if you were in your list of received messages, one 
>> little flick will get you to the delete button. It seems they’ve added 
>> stuff, and now delete is two flicks away. Maybe not a big deal. But I 
>> have to assume that deleting would be far more useful than dragging a 
>> message. So why did they have to put drag right next to activate? Pin is 
>> kind of useless to in my view, but other people probably have a use for 
>> it. Still, it seems to me that delete is the most common thing that 
>> people do once they read a text message. Unless they open the message and 
>> actually reply of course
>>
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RE: Emergency Preparedness - National Library Service for the Blind and Print Disabled (NLS) | Library of Congress

2020-09-17 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Just breath shallow!

Or using a scuba tank!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vivian 
Conger
Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 4:10 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Emergency Preparedness - National Library Service for the Blind 
and Print Disabled (NLS) | Library of Congress

When I was in Spokane earlier this week, the numbers were up in the 490s.  Now 
they are down to the 160s.

Vivian and Sallie


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 7:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Emergency Preparedness - National Library Service for the Blind 
and Print Disabled (NLS) | Library of Congress

Yeah well… the respite was short lived. Back up to 150 AQI. Not Oregon 
apocalypse, but not fun either. Everything’s closed up again. We were lucky to 
have purchased an air purifier a few weeks ago before there was a  run on them. 
We looked at a few Bluetooth models and naturally, they were all at least $100 
more for comparable specs. We ended up settling on a Honeywell without 
Bluetooth.
There were some recent articles on Motherboard (Vice) and the LA Times on how 
to DIY air purifiers  in case anyone’s feeling handy and can’t find any in 
stock.

Cristóbal

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 4:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Emergency Preparedness - National Library Service for the Blind 
and Print Disabled (NLS) | Library of Congress

You are lucky.
Its still “very unhealthy” here at 222.

Good thing our air purifier showed up Tuesday.  It’s keeping the house 
tolerable.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 4:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Emergency Preparedness - National Library Service for the Blind 
and Print Disabled (NLS) | Library of Congress

No joke. The AQI here finally dropped under 100 in I don’t know how long. We 
flung open all the windows to breathe in some of that “moderate” air. You take 
what you can get…

Cristóbal

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:51 PM
To: ViPone list mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Emergency Preparedness - National Library Service for the Blind and 
Print Disabled (NLS) | Library of Congress

Possibly a little too late for the Oregon Washington and California fires, but 
here's a resource I was just alerted to that might be helpful for people 
planning in all kinds of emergencies in the future.
It is from the library of Congress website.

https://www.loc.gov/nls/resources/general-resources-on-disabilities/emergency-preparedness/



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
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RE: What Does Prepared Dimmed Mean?

2020-09-17 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Good work.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Baker
Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 2:42 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What Does Prepared Dimmed Mean?

I had gotten disconnected with apple accessibility so she called me back and we 
unpaired the watch and set it up as a new one so all is well now. I just have 
to reset some stuff but voiceover is working again so I won't be so quick to 
update my apple watch next year unless I have a new one by then.Thank you all 
for your patience and your help.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2020, at 8:18 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yes you can turn the volume of the watch voiceover down even though 
> the watch app on the phone says its at 100%
> 
> So tap the tips of two fingers twice on the screen and then slide those two 
> fingers up the screen to increase the watch volume.
> 
> 
> I've turned vo on my watch down to zero % and the phone watch app 
> still says 80%
> 
> It may take a couple of attempts to increase the o watch volume so try 
> it more than once,
> 
> Two fingers tap twice and slide up / push the tips up the screen.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 1:10 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What Does Prepared Dimmed Mean?
> 
> I have pressed the crown 3 times and I get a sound supposedly when voiceover 
> is on but it's not a voice. Can voiceover become muted on the watch and if 
> so, how do you turn it off? Yes, I have the watch app on my phone. You can't 
> pair a watch unless the app is on your phone. I hear my alarms go off and the 
> chimes. Just no voice.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2020, at 7:18 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> so have you got the watch app on your phone?
>> 
>> If so you can unpair the watch there, apple accessibility should have 
>> said that,
>> 
>> Also you should be able to turn vo on / off from within the watch app also.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Shirley Baker
>> Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 12:10 pm
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: What Does Prepared Dimmed Mean?
>> 
>> I have updated my watch successfully but get no voice except I get hey siri 
>> and other sounds. I have talked with apple accessibility but so far haven't 
>> been able to resolve the issue.
>> We are trying to figure out where to go to unpair the watch. Where she 
>> thought isn't there.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Sep 17, 2020, at 6:53 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just wait and let it do it's thing.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Shirley Baker
>>> Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 10:04 am
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: What Does Prepared Dimmed Mean?
>>> 
>>> I hear it say the percentage but then after that it doesn't do anything. 
>>> What should I do then?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 17, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Shirley,
>>>> "Prepared, dimmed," simply means the device is preparing to update. 
>>>> I can't speak for what is actually happening, but I take this to 
>>>> mean the downloaded software update files are being unpacked and 
>>>> sorted so the install process can continue. The dimmed just means 
>>>> it is a button that is not available or that you cannot activate. 
>>>> If it says preparing dimmed, then take some time to do something 
>>>> else while the update/unpacking/install process happens for you.
>>>> 
>>>> Be well,
>>>> Wayne Merritt
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 9/17/20, Shirley Baker  wrote:
>>>>> When updating my apple watch, I get preparing dimmed. What does 
>>>>> that mean and how do I get past that to update my watch? I have 
>>>>> already updated my iPhone 6S plus to 14.0 with no problems except 
>>>>> for trying to update my watch. My keyboard is doing a lot better too.
>>>>> 
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RE: What Does Prepared Dimmed Mean?

2020-09-17 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Shirley,

I myself would use the eraise all option and that of course will mean you have 
to reset up your watch from scratch.

 If you do this then you can reset the watch up and use an older backup from 
the earlier os versions.


If you eraise and setup as a new device then you have to turn voiceover on once 
the watch has finishe it's setup and is ready to be used.

If you setup using a backup of the older watch os then everything you had 
working in that version should be the same once the installation / backup reset 
is completed.

Hope this helps.
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Baker
Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 1:18 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What Does Prepared Dimmed Mean?

It has different options in reset. There's erase all content, reset home 
screen, reset cellular plans, which I do not want to do so I am still not sure 
what to .reset.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2020, at 8:05 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> In the watch app under general should be the reset feature It's at 
> the bottom or to the bottom of the list of things under watch.
> Have you tried turning the volume of the watch up by tapping your 
> fingers on the screen and sliding them upwards
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 12:25 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What Does Prepared Dimmed Mean?
> 
> Voiceover is on. The volume is at 100%.We couldn't find in accessibility how 
> to unpair the watch.Siri is on.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2020, at 3:48 PM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
>> 
>> When updating my apple watch, I get preparing dimmed. What does that mean 
>> and how do I get past that to update my watch? I have already updated my 
>> iPhone 6S plus to 14.0 with no problems except for trying to update my 
>> watch. My keyboard is doing a lot better too.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: What Does Prepared Dimmed Mean?

2020-09-17 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Yes you can turn the volume of the watch voiceover down even though the watch 
app on the phone says its at 100% 

 So tap the tips of two fingers twice on the screen and then slide those two 
fingers up the screen to increase the watch volume.


I've turned vo on my watch down to zero % and the phone watch app still says 
80%  

 It may take a couple of attempts to increase the o watch volume so try it more 
than once,

Two fingers tap twice and slide up / push the tips up the screen.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Baker
Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 1:10 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What Does Prepared Dimmed Mean?

I have pressed the crown 3 times and I get a sound supposedly when voiceover is 
on but it's not a voice. Can voiceover become muted on the watch and if so, how 
do you turn it off? Yes, I have the watch app on my phone. You can't pair a 
watch unless the app is on your phone. I hear my alarms go off and the chimes. 
Just no voice.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2020, at 7:18 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> so have you got the watch app on your phone?
> 
> If so you can unpair the watch there, apple accessibility should have 
> said that,
> 
> Also you should be able to turn vo on / off from within the watch app also.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 12:10 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What Does Prepared Dimmed Mean?
> 
> I have updated my watch successfully but get no voice except I get hey siri 
> and other sounds. I have talked with apple accessibility but so far haven't 
> been able to resolve the issue.
> We are trying to figure out where to go to unpair the watch. Where she 
> thought isn't there.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2020, at 6:53 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Just wait and let it do it's thing.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Shirley Baker
>> Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 10:04 am
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: What Does Prepared Dimmed Mean?
>> 
>> I hear it say the percentage but then after that it doesn't do anything. 
>> What should I do then?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Sep 17, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Shirley,
>>> "Prepared, dimmed," simply means the device is preparing to update. 
>>> I can't speak for what is actually happening, but I take this to 
>>> mean the downloaded software update files are being unpacked and 
>>> sorted so the install process can continue. The dimmed just means it 
>>> is a button that is not available or that you cannot activate. If it 
>>> says preparing dimmed, then take some time to do something else 
>>> while the update/unpacking/install process happens for you.
>>> 
>>> Be well,
>>> Wayne Merritt
>>> 
>>>>> On 9/17/20, Shirley Baker  wrote:
>>>> When updating my apple watch, I get preparing dimmed. What does 
>>>> that mean and how do I get past that to update my watch? I have 
>>>> already updated my iPhone 6S plus to 14.0 with no problems except 
>>>> for trying to update my watch. My keyboard is doing a lot better too.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: What Does Prepared Dimmed Mean?

2020-09-17 Thread Simon A Fogarty
In the watch app under general should be the reset feature 
It's at the bottom or to the bottom of the list of things under watch.
Have you tried turning the volume of the watch up by tapping your fingers on 
the screen and sliding them upwards

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Baker
Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 12:25 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What Does Prepared Dimmed Mean?

Voiceover is on. The volume is at 100%.We couldn't find in accessibility how to 
unpair the watch.Siri is on.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2020, at 3:48 PM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
> 
> When updating my apple watch, I get preparing dimmed. What does that mean 
> and how do I get past that to update my watch? I have already updated my 
> iPhone 6S plus to 14.0 with no problems except for trying to update my watch. 
> My keyboard is doing a lot better too.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Can't Upgrade apple Watch Series 3

2020-09-17 Thread Simon A Fogarty
To start vo on the watch 
Try pressing the digital crown in 3 times quickly,

Or on your phone under the watch app under general you can find an 
accessibility feature which will let you turn the voiceover service on and set 
up what you need,

That's what I would suggest.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Baker
Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 12:21 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Upgrade apple Watch Series 3

How do I get the voice back on my apple watch? I held down both the crown and 
side button and I hear it make sounds but no voice. Siri comes up and the chime 
on both the hour and half hour. Any suggestions would be appreciated and I 
called apple accessibility with no success. I don't remember how to unpair the 
watch but if I do, I'm afraid I won't be able to pair it back since I have 
tried it before and finally had to take it to Verizon and have them pair it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2020, at 6:18 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I updated my watch s4 lastnight and had no issues what so ever with 
> the update
> 
> Infact I was surprised how quick it updated,
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Deb Cook Lewis
> Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 3:09 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can't Upgrade apple Watch Series 3
> 
> Mine is updating now and I did not reset it. I read through all the forums 
> and saw that this is a pretty common problem even with models higher than the 
> series 3. So after I removed everything it would let me remove, and i do mean 
> everything, I then followed their suggestion to simply restart both the watch 
> and the phone. Finally, it showed enough cleared space and the eternal 
> download has started. This may take days but at least it's happening. Most of 
> what I uninstalled I don't need back, and the couple I do I'll just 
> redownload. The other thing they confirmed is that the install doesn't 
> actually need nearly what it says and that it will be easy enough to put 
> things back once it's done. Very annoying though.
> 
>> On 9/17/20, Peter Logan  wrote:
>> Probably you will need to set it up as a new watch .. and then 
>> restore your apps from a ICloud backup.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:10 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Can't Upgrade apple Watch Series 3
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Contact apple and discuss it with them as the s3 is meant to take the 
>> watch os 7 version.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
>> Behalf Of Deb Cook Lewis
>> Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2020 12:07 pm
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Can't Upgrade apple Watch Series 3
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> OK. It says I’m about a half gig short of the space required for the update.
>> I have deleted all 3rd party apps, I have no songs, pictures etc. 
>> I’ve deleted every app that Apple says I can delete from the native apps.
>> I’m still the same amount short for the install. If I have even less 
>> than Apple provided on my watch, how I can I get to less than this 
>> long enough to install the update? I hate to completely erase the watch.
>> 
>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>> 
>> 
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RE: What Does Prepared Dimmed Mean?

2020-09-17 Thread Simon A Fogarty
so have you got the watch app on your phone?

If so you can unpair the watch there, apple accessibility should have said that,

Also you should be able to turn vo on / off from within the watch app also.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Baker
Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 12:10 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What Does Prepared Dimmed Mean?

I have updated my watch successfully but get no voice except I get hey siri and 
other sounds. I have talked with apple accessibility but so far haven't been 
able to resolve the issue.
We are trying to figure out where to go to unpair the watch. Where she thought 
isn't there.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2020, at 6:53 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Just wait and let it do it's thing.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 10:04 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What Does Prepared Dimmed Mean?
> 
> I hear it say the percentage but then after that it doesn't do anything. What 
> should I do then?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>> 
>> Shirley,
>> "Prepared, dimmed," simply means the device is preparing to update. I 
>> can't speak for what is actually happening, but I take this to mean 
>> the downloaded software update files are being unpacked and sorted so 
>> the install process can continue. The dimmed just means it is a 
>> button that is not available or that you cannot activate. If it says 
>> preparing dimmed, then take some time to do something else while the 
>> update/unpacking/install process happens for you.
>> 
>> Be well,
>> Wayne Merritt
>> 
>>>> On 9/17/20, Shirley Baker  wrote:
>>> When updating my apple watch, I get preparing dimmed. What does that 
>>> mean and how do I get past that to update my watch? I have already 
>>> updated my iPhone 6S plus to 14.0 with no problems except for trying 
>>> to update my watch. My keyboard is doing a lot better too.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Emergency Preparedness - National Library Service for the Blind and Print Disabled (NLS) | Library of Congress

2020-09-17 Thread Simon A Fogarty
You guys over there are really getting dumped on,

I hope things pick up for you sooner rather than later.

As bad as it sounds I think the north west needs a hurraicain to both put out 
the flames and clear the air.

Good luck to you all.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 11:48 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Emergency Preparedness - National Library Service for the Blind 
and Print Disabled (NLS) | Library of Congress

You are lucky.
Its still “very unhealthy” here at 222.

Good thing our air purifier showed up Tuesday.  It’s keeping the house 
tolerable.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 4:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Emergency Preparedness - National Library Service for the Blind 
and Print Disabled (NLS) | Library of Congress

No joke. The AQI here finally dropped under 100 in I don’t know how long. We 
flung open all the windows to breathe in some of that “moderate” air. You take 
what you can get…

Cristóbal

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:51 PM
To: ViPone list mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Emergency Preparedness - National Library Service for the Blind and 
Print Disabled (NLS) | Library of Congress

Possibly a little too late for the Oregon Washington and California fires, but 
here's a resource I was just alerted to that might be helpful for people 
planning in all kinds of emergencies in the future.
It is from the library of Congress website.

https://www.loc.gov/nls/resources/general-resources-on-disabilities/emergency-preparedness/



Richard
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RE: Emergency Preparedness - National Library Service for the Blind and Print Disabled (NLS) | Library of Congress

2020-09-17 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Did you know that smoke from these west coast fires is now able to be seen from 
/ within UK & European contenant!

Not to mention that south east UsA is now getting hurricains

They do say bad things come in 3’s,
Fires,
Hurricains
Donald trump,
I think that is 3!

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Turner
Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 10:51 am
To: ViPone list 
Subject: Emergency Preparedness - National Library Service for the Blind and 
Print Disabled (NLS) | Library of Congress

Possibly a little too late for the Oregon Washington and California fires, but 
here's a resource I was just alerted to that might be helpful for people 
planning in all kinds of emergencies in the future.
It is from the library of Congress website.

https://www.loc.gov/nls/resources/general-resources-on-disabilities/emergency-preparedness/



Richard
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RE: What Does Prepared Dimmed Mean?

2020-09-17 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Just wait and let it do it's thing.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Baker
Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 10:04 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What Does Prepared Dimmed Mean?

I hear it say the percentage but then after that it doesn't do anything. What 
should I do then?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> 
> Shirley,
> "Prepared, dimmed," simply means the device is preparing to update. I 
> can't speak for what is actually happening, but I take this to mean 
> the downloaded software update files are being unpacked and sorted so 
> the install process can continue. The dimmed just means it is a button 
> that is not available or that you cannot activate. If it says 
> preparing dimmed, then take some time to do something else while the 
> update/unpacking/install process happens for you.
> 
> Be well,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
>> On 9/17/20, Shirley Baker  wrote:
>> When updating my apple watch, I get preparing dimmed. What does that 
>> mean and how do I get past that to update my watch? I have already 
>> updated my iPhone 6S plus to 14.0 with no problems except for trying 
>> to update my watch. My keyboard is doing a lot better too.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Can't Figure Out How to Update My Watch

2020-09-17 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Yeah try in the software update app to touch the bottom of your screenand then 
flick left / backwards to find the update button.

I had a similar issue like this 

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Baker
Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 10:00 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Figure Out How to Update My Watch

I went to the watch app on my phone and I am not able to download the update. I 
can't find the agree button. It sounds like it skips or something when I double 
tap on update. Hard to explain. Anyway, guess I will just have to turn on 
automatic update and see if that works later on tonight.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2020, at 4:21 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Shirley,
> 
> In the Watch app on your phone, open General, then Software Update. It's 
> easier to do it from there than from the watch itself.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
>> 
>> I am trying to manually update my watch but I can't find the agree to terms 
>> button and until I do, it won't let me update. Never have had trouble 
>> finding it before plus I know I need to enter my passcode and can't find 
>> where to do that either. I have the series 3 watch with cellular.
>> 
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RE: What Does Prepared Dimmed Mean?

2020-09-17 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Just leave it and let it do it's thing,

Preparing is exactly that,

It is preparing your watch for the installation of the OS 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Baker
Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 8:49 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What Does Prepared Dimmed Mean?

When updating my apple watch, I get preparing dimmed. What does that mean and 
how do I get past that to update my watch? I have already updated my iPhone 6S 
plus to 14.0 with no problems except for trying to update my watch. My keyboard 
is doing a lot better too.

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RE: Can't Upgrade apple Watch Series 3

2020-09-17 Thread Simon A Fogarty
I updated my watch s4 lastnight and had no issues what so ever with the update 

Infact I was surprised how quick it updated,

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Lewis
Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 3:09 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Upgrade apple Watch Series 3

Mine is updating now and I did not reset it. I read through all the forums and 
saw that this is a pretty common problem even with models higher than the 
series 3. So after I removed everything it would let me remove, and i do mean 
everything, I then followed their suggestion to simply restart both the watch 
and the phone. Finally, it showed enough cleared space and the eternal download 
has started. This may take days but at least it's happening. Most of what I 
uninstalled I don't need back, and the couple I do I'll just redownload. The 
other thing they confirmed is that the install doesn't actually need nearly 
what it says and that it will be easy enough to put things back once it's done. 
Very annoying though.

On 9/17/20, Peter Logan  wrote:
> Probably you will need to set it up as a new watch .. and then restore 
> your apps from a ICloud backup.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:10 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Can't Upgrade apple Watch Series 3
>
>
>
> Contact apple and discuss it with them as the s3 is meant to take the 
> watch os 7 version.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of Deb Cook Lewis
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
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>
>
>
> OK. It says I’m about a half gig short of the space required for the update.
> I have deleted all 3rd party apps, I have no songs, pictures etc. I’ve 
> deleted every app that Apple says I can delete from the native apps. 
> I’m still the same amount short for the install. If I have even less 
> than Apple provided on my watch, how I can I get to less than this 
> long enough to install the update? I hate to completely erase the watch.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
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RE: time app with voice?

2020-09-17 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Richard,

I understand not, why someone would want to know the time every 15 minutes?

I know we’re all different but isn’t it just easier to pick up the phone and 
touch the top left corner to get the time to speak?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, 18 September 2020 3:01 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: time app with voice?

Hold that thought.
It just spoke the 8 o'clock hour on my SE 2020.
Stay tuned.
In 15 minutes I will write again if it continues to work.
Richard



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Sep 17, 2020, at 7:16 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
I think it is a dead app.
It has not been updated since 2015.
The developer web site no longer exists.
It does not work under iOS 14.
Time to say goodbye to Chime.
I do not know of a good alternative, maybe someone else does.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Andrew 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: time app with voice?

Hello, I have been using Chime with my 6s.  Is there a good App that will 
announce the time every 15 minutes via voice?  Chime seems to not want to 
announce.  I loved Timely in the past but it hasn't been updated Andy and 
Shubert

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RE: Can't Upgrade apple Watch Series 3

2020-09-17 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Contact apple and discuss it with them as the s3 is meant to take the watch os 
7 version.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Deb Cook 
Lewis
Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2020 12:07 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Can't Upgrade apple Watch Series 3

OK. It says I’m about a half gig short of the space required for the update. I 
have deleted all 3rd party apps, I have no songs, pictures etc. I’ve deleted 
every app that Apple says I can delete from the native apps. I’m still the same 
amount short for the install. If I have even less than Apple provided on my 
watch, how I can I get to less than this long enough to install the update? I 
hate to completely erase the watch.
Thanks for any suggestions.

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RE: blood pressure, was, RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

2020-09-17 Thread Simon A Fogarty
The watch does not do vo2 max readings,

It is a blood o2 meter,
And even then take it with a grain of salt.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lois 
Butterfield
Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2020 11:09 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: blood pressure, was, RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new 
iPhone announced

Yes, I did the same research and found the same answers. I will get the new 
watch just for the VO 2 Max reading. I’ve always been interested in that.

Take care,
Lois Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 16, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Well, after my wife did a little research, Sieghard, of course, nailed it.
The watch does not do blood pressure on its own.
It needs the Qardio Arm wireless cuff, or maybe another iPhone compatible cuff, 
 to get the information and then the watch can speak it, etc.
The app for the Qardio Arm can also speak it from the iPhone without a watch 
with VoiceOver.

But having the new blood oxygen level combined with the other health data, can 
be a good argument to get the new watch.






Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of CJ & 
AA MAY
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

My husband is gadget-mad, Richard, and has a cuff blood pressure monitor too, 
so he isn’t relying on his watch. But thanks for the thought.
Alison


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: 16 September 2020 18:17
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

Alison, seriously, you ought to compare it to the doctor’s blood pressure 
reading so you know how to gauge the accuracy.



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alison 
May
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I dont know how accurate it is but my husbands watch definitely gives a blood 
pressure reading.
Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
0777 315 8181

On 16 Sep 2020, at 5:19 pm, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I think you might be mistaken, there is no way to measure blood pressure 
without a cuff which gets inflated around your upper arm, even expensive 
machinery in hospitals can't do this. I mean maybe if you are on a life support 
machine this is somehow constantly measured, but in any normal setting you have 
to put that cuff around your upper arm.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of CJ & 
AA MAY
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

My husband has a smart watch and it measures his blood pressure, quality of 
sleep and more. It didn’t cost him a fortune. It was an Apple product. Of 
course, it doesn’t talk!
Alison


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: 16 September 2020 05:51
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I wonder if these watches could someday measure our blood pressure, maybe by 
some mathematical formula t¢that could combine our oxygen levels, with heart 
rate, or something to that effect? It'd save one money by having an all-in-one 
device!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:09 p.m., Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> escribió:

It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,
It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,
So a slightly earlier chip,

Everything else is pretty much the same from 

RE: iOS, iPadOS, and tvOS, plus watch OS are all out

2020-09-17 Thread Simon A Fogarty
I looked at outlook today on my phone and it wasn't a feature at that point.


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Otten
Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2020 8:24 am
To: VIPhone via 
Subject: iOS, iPadOS, and tvOS, plus watch OS are all out

And outlook and edge have been updated so they can be set as default if you 
wish.


Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

2020-09-17 Thread Simon A Fogarty
It's come down earlier today.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Priscilla Garces (prisci)
Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2020 6:45 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

Maybe it would be later tonight who  knows.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Lynn White  wrote:
> 
> Yes, wireless chargers are definitely slower.
> By the way, it’s looking more and more as if Ios 14 won’t be today.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2020, at 1:18 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Question, do you think that the wireless charging pad is a little slower?
>> 
>> Plus, Jim and I were at the store today, saw Apple 10 foot cables for $3.99; 
>> they also have chargers there for a couple of dollars.
>> 
>> I have two wireless chargers though, and they are so handy, like hanging up 
>> an old phone. 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:12 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>> 
>> Use the one you have or buy a wireless charging pad which I prefer anyways, 
>> I haven't used the wall adapter which comes with my ipHone in ages.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> richr...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 11:17 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> So if they are not shipping USB adapters with new Apple watches, how are you 
>> expected to charge them?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new 
>> blood oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has 
>> their own phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own 
>> phone, and an always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers 
>> requires the cellular model.
>> 
>> Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
>> orderable today.
>> 
>> Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the 
>> Series 6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available 
>> Friday the 18th.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
>> 
>> iPads won’t be available until next month.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
>> tomorrow, the 16th.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> No mention at all about a new phone.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

2020-09-17 Thread Simon A Fogarty
I don't see any real time difference in charging from wireless pads or using a 
cable,

The worst thing about the wireless pad is my phone can slip off it as it's on a 
slight angle 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2020 6:18 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

Question, do you think that the wireless charging pad is a little slower?

Plus, Jim and I were at the store today, saw Apple 10 foot cables for $3.99; 
they also have chargers there for a couple of dollars. 

I have two wireless chargers though, and they are so handy, like hanging up an 
old phone. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

Use the one you have or buy a wireless charging pad which I prefer anyways, I 
haven't used the wall adapter which comes with my ipHone in ages.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
richr...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

So if they are not shipping USB adapters with new Apple watches, how are you 
expected to charge them?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

 

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.

Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.

Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

 

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.

iPads won’t be available until next month.

 

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

 

No mention at all about a new phone.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

2020-09-16 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Yes you are correct,

The cuff pressurises the blood flow through a vain in the elbow / bicept and 
then as the cuff releases pressure the flow starts which is what is listened 
for,
And then as the noise of the flow stops that is where they get the end results 
from.

I had to learn to do this for my PE degree in exercise prescription

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2020 4:20 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I think you might be mistaken, there is no way to measure blood pressure 
without a cuff which gets inflated around your upper arm, even expensive 
machinery in hospitals can't do this. I mean maybe if you are on a life support 
machine this is somehow constantly measured, but in any normal setting you have 
to put that cuff around your upper arm.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of CJ & 
AA MAY
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

My husband has a smart watch and it measures his blood pressure, quality of 
sleep and more. It didn’t cost him a fortune. It was an Apple product. Of 
course, it doesn’t talk!
Alison


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: 16 September 2020 05:51
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I wonder if these watches could someday measure our blood pressure, maybe by 
some mathematical formula t¢that could combine our oxygen levels, with heart 
rate, or something to that effect? It'd save one money by having an all-in-one 
device!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:09 p.m., Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> escribió:

It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,
It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,
So a slightly earlier chip,

Everything else is pretty much the same from what they presented.

It does sound like a great device

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 8:34 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what else 
it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but it 
should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the details are on their page?


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Richard,

Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granti

RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

2020-09-16 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Yeah and I don’t even know where I put mine as I’m using a wireless charging 
pad which does all 3 devices,
Watch, pods and phone


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2020 4:12 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

Use the one you have or buy a wireless charging pad which I prefer anyways, I 
haven't used the wall adapter which comes with my ipHone in ages.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
richr...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

So if they are not shipping USB adapters with new Apple watches, how are you 
expected to charge them?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
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RE: Twitterrific experiences with voiceOver’s new Description settings?

2020-09-16 Thread Simon A Fogarty
That to me sounds like meta data,

If the meta data is there with the tweet then yes you should here it,
 That of course is dependant on the way that data is tagged to make it viewable 
by vo.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2020 12:57 am
To: iPhone List 
Subject: Twitterrific experiences with voiceOver’s new Description settings?

YOu guys know how on the native Twitter app, when you’re on top of a tweet 
sometimes it gives you a summary of what’s on it? On Spotify, for instance, you 
get the artist’s name, song and other info. With Twitterrific, you don’t seem 
to have access to such info! I’m curious, if with the new Description features 
in Voiceover, would one be able to read these kinds of tweets with Twitterrific?

Gera
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RE: Missed the event? Time for a recap. There is a link to watch the event in this email,

2020-09-16 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Interesting,

I thought the SE watch did have the ECG monitor,

But didn’t have the blood O2 meter,
Oh well,
My S4 is working fine.

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Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 9:07 pm
To: ViPone list 
Subject: Fwd: Missed the event? Time for a recap. There is a link to watch the 
event in this email,


Begin forwarded message:

From: Apple 
Date: September 15, 2020 at 11:25:33 PM PDT
To: richardturne...@outlook.com
Subject: Missed the event? Time for a recap.


Time for a recap.

Introducing Apple Watch Series 6, Apple Watch SE, Apple Fitness+, the new iPad 
Air and iPad, and Apple One — the all-new Apple services bundle.
[Image removed by sender. Watch the 
event]

Measure your blood oxygen level.1 Take an ECG anytime, anywhere.2 Easily see 
your fitness
metrics on the enhanced
Always-On Retina display.
[Image removed by sender. 
Buy]
Learn more[Image removed by 
sender.]

An expansive Retina display. Advanced sensors to track all the
ways you move. Powerful features to keep you healthy and safe.
Starting at just $279.
[Image removed by sender. 
Buy]
Learn more[Image removed by 
sender.]

A new fitness experience powered by Apple Watch. Try world-class workouts 
created by top fitness trainers on your iPhone, iPad, and Apple TV.
Learn more[Image removed by 
sender.]

iPad Air features an all-screen design with a 10.9-inch Liquid Retina display. 
The new A14 Bionic chip. And support for Apple Pencil and Magic Keyboard. 
Available in five finishes.
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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

2020-09-16 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Sorry I’m not sure what you mean by this,

It happened 12 plus hours ago and yes it was streamed on their apple website,
The TV app on the phones, and or apple tv,


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Afik 
Souffir
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 5:50 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced


Hi,

How can you listen to the event?


Afik.


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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




Richard
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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

2020-09-16 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Interesting thought

I’m not sure how they would do that without having the band cause pressure 
around your arm.

As you know normally above the elbow and then sensing the blood flow through 
the vain benieth  your bi cept / across the elbow joint.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 4:51 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I wonder if these watches could someday measure our blood pressure, maybe by 
some mathematical formula t¢that could combine our oxygen levels, with heart 
rate, or something to that effect? It'd save one money by having an all-in-one 
device!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel


El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:09 p.m., Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> escribió:

It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,
It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,
So a slightly earlier chip,

Everything else is pretty much the same from what they presented.

It does sound like a great device

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 8:34 am
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Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what else 
it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but it 
should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the details are on their page?


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert



On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Richard,

Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.

Alan Lemly

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




Richard
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RE: Air Quality info

2020-09-15 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Yeah it’s like covid being caused by 5G mobile technology,

Just means I can’t wait until 7g mobile technology when I get a third head!



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 3:19 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Air Quality info

Well, just remember that some opinions are actually informed by science, 
knowledge and facts, while other opinions are informed but absolutely nothing, 
except for stupid conspiracy ideas. So saying that you don’t believe anybody 
just because they say it is great. But don’t Forget to put more stock in the 
opinions of those who actually study and have evidence, as opposed to those who 
are sticking their heads in the sand and wishfully thinking the problem would 
go away.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:54 PM, David Moore 
mailto:jesusloves1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I sure will!
I am a researcher at heart, and do not believe anything just because someone 
says it is so!
Have a great one!
David Moore

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From: Mary Otten<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Air Quality info

So trying to cite proof on this list would be seriously off-topic, David. But 
the evidence is out there and has been for years. All you have to do is Google 
it and ignore things like Fox News and other wild conspiracy theory idiots and 
you’ll be fine. The statistics are out there. We are causing it. Go research it.

Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:46 PM, David Moore 
mailto:jesusloves1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

What is the proof that the change in our climate is man made or is it a pattern 
of hot than cold that the Earth has experienced for all time!
Maybe it will start getting colder many years from now!
How do we know if it is man made!
I would really like to hear the proof you have!
David Moore

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From: Simon A Fogarty<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Air Quality info

Reno,
I heard they have great beach front property to sell,

Hell I believe everything he says!

He has to be one of the smartest people on the planet,

Telling the press that science hasn’t proved anything has got to be one of the 
smartest statements ever made by a muppet!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 12:51 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Air Quality info

We do not have a leader.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
If you believe what he says, I'll gladly sell you some ocean front property 
just outside Reno Nevada.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

But Richard,

It’s ok your leader says it’s not effecting global warming at all, and science 
hasn’t proved anything.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:22 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Air Quality info

Rather than mention this on a thread about NFL games, I am giving it its own 
thread.
IN Portland, Oregon today, the air quality at 7:09 AM is 453 which is quite 
hazardous.
You can ask Siri for the Air quality in most cities in the United States.
I do not know what information is available in other countries.
Last week, Portland, Oregon had the worst air quality in the world due to the 
smoke from the fires, sometimes going well over 500 and eugene Oregon hit 
almost 700..
Since California is also dealing with fires a good comparison is Los Angeles, 
which is considered unhealthy right now at 168.
Once you get away from the fires, for example, Pheonix, Arizona is moderate at 
59, New York City is good at 32.
Those last two are likely from normal air pollution.

IN Portland, they are not expecting much improvement until Thursday or Friday 
when we may finally get some rain and air flow from the west.

HTH,

Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that

RE: Air Quality info

2020-09-15 Thread Simon A Fogarty
If global warming and air quality isn’t an issue,

How come there are reports of people in the state if not the city of New York 
seeing the smoke clouds from Oregon / western states that are currently on fire,


May be it’s just the sun going down early in parts of the USA.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:52 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Air Quality info

So trying to cite proof on this list would be seriously off-topic, David. But 
the evidence is out there and has been for years. All you have to do is Google 
it and ignore things like Fox News and other wild conspiracy theory idiots and 
you’ll be fine. The statistics are out there. We are causing it. Go research it.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:46 PM, David Moore 
mailto:jesusloves1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

What is the proof that the change in our climate is man made or is it a pattern 
of hot than cold that the Earth has experienced for all time!
Maybe it will start getting colder many years from now!
How do we know if it is man made!
I would really like to hear the proof you have!
David Moore

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Simon A Fogarty<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Air Quality info

Reno,
I heard they have great beach front property to sell,

Hell I believe everything he says!

He has to be one of the smartest people on the planet,

Telling the press that science hasn’t proved anything has got to be one of the 
smartest statements ever made by a muppet!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 12:51 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Air Quality info

We do not have a leader.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
If you believe what he says, I'll gladly sell you some ocean front property 
just outside Reno Nevada.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

But Richard,

It’s ok your leader says it’s not effecting global warming at all, and science 
hasn’t proved anything.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:22 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Air Quality info

Rather than mention this on a thread about NFL games, I am giving it its own 
thread.
IN Portland, Oregon today, the air quality at 7:09 AM is 453 which is quite 
hazardous.
You can ask Siri for the Air quality in most cities in the United States.
I do not know what information is available in other countries.
Last week, Portland, Oregon had the worst air quality in the world due to the 
smoke from the fires, sometimes going well over 500 and eugene Oregon hit 
almost 700..
Since California is also dealing with fires a good comparison is Los Angeles, 
which is considered unhealthy right now at 168.
Once you get away from the fires, for example, Pheonix, Arizona is moderate at 
59, New York City is good at 32.
Those last two are likely from normal air pollution.

IN Portland, they are not expecting much improvement until Thursday or Friday 
when we may finally get some rain and air flow from the west.

HTH,

Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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RE: I O S 14

2020-09-15 Thread Simon A Fogarty
It is available off the apple website.

They don’t repost it as it’s constantly there for a while to come.

If you use your mobile or ipad etc you can find it on the default webpage for 
apples sites.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Noe 
Villeda
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 6:03 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14

I wonder if they’ll repost the Apple event?
I am working from home, and wasn’t able to listen to it.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14


You can use the following link from any apple device or with MicrosoftEdge on a 
Windows 10 computer:http://apple.com/apple-events/event-stream/



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Wayne Merritt 
mailto:wcmerr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I listen through the TWIT network. They offer running commentary on
the event as it happens, which does prevent you from hearing exactly
what was said, since the Apple event audio fades to the background.
However, often Apple shows videos and there's nothing useful for us
totals in those videos. Leo LePorte and is experts often will describe
what is shown for the listener. I heard once they have a counter and
can see how many are watching and listening to their stream, and can
adjust to offer more or less description based on those numbers.
Occasionally, I will go back and watch segments of the event on
YouTube later if I want to know what exactly they said. I have used
ooTunes to listen to TWIT, but one could also use TuneIn Radio or
other radio streaming apps.

Enjoy,
Wayne Merritt

On 9/15/20, Chris Chaffin 
mailto:chaffin102...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It is also available to watch in the TV app on your iPhone. If you navigate
by heading, it is very easy to find.

Chris


On Sep 15, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Kay Malmquist 
mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>>
wrote:


Which reminds me.  What is the best way to listen to this?


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)"

- Edward Herbert

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: I O S 14

Apple will be announcing that today during their event starting at 10 AM.
Until Apple makes their announcement, no one will know.HTH,



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 5:04 AM, Noe Villeda 
mailto:noeville...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hello group,
Does anyone know when I O S 14 will be released?
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RE: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

2020-09-15 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Yeah that’s what confused me,
But there is not yet a watch os 7 or a tv os 14,
I can only assume it is the GM and they have cut the Beta version numbers for 
now.
So I guess we’re as normal a step ahead still.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:31 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

Well, this a little embarrassing, I "assumed" it was a beta since the public 
release isn't coming out until tomorrow.
i did not pay attention to the version number prior to the download.
All of mine, once they were installed, they just said 14.0.
So, maybe we did just get the full release version.
You know what they say about assuming?



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Richard,

How was the new beta labelled?

As my updates show the version as ios 14,
With no beta version or point version.

And this is a public beta.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 9:27 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

The final beta just came out.
There have been issues and with message threading, misspelled words on the 
rotor, and maybe a couple other oddities, so I would not recommend people 
update immediately when it comes out tomorrow.
Also, some settings have been added and changed.  I won’t say more until after 
the release.
Go and read the Applevis.com blog tomorrow to see what they say.
Here is the main blog page link.  Look for a heading with iOS 14 in it probably 
tomorrow mid-day or afternoon to give them time to get it posted.
https://www.applevis.com/blog<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fblog=02%7C01%7C%7C7982cf93c4e444f0971108d859e5e9fe%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637358191286415501=2OqIJXOTVLNCdYkCnmJbekl5J4tjwslYNxUzF7YrKKU%3D=0>



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

Hi All,
Just asking the beta tester how IOS 14 workds with VO. Is it stable or have a 
lot of bugs?
Mr. Ed
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RE: Apple Arcade, are any of the games accessible

2020-09-15 Thread Simon A Fogarty
And here I wasn’t a fan of gaming,

I guess I’m going to have to change that.



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Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 12:53 pm
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When iOS 14 comes out, using screen recognition, the game Game of Thrones, Tale 
of Crows will be usable with screen recognition.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


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Hi,

No, none of the Apple arcade games are accessible. I just cancelled the 1mo. 
Free that I signed up for, so that my 10y/o would have something to keep 
himself occupied on our trip to CA.

Donnaare any of the games accessible
>
> Hi I i’m just curious to know if the Apple arcade and the games in it are 
> accessible with voiceover.
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RE: Air Quality info

2020-09-15 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Reno,
I heard they have great beach front property to sell,

Hell I believe everything he says!

He has to be one of the smartest people on the planet,

Telling the press that science hasn’t proved anything has got to be one of the 
smartest statements ever made by a muppet!

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Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 12:51 pm
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We do not have a leader.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
If you believe what he says, I'll gladly sell you some ocean front property 
just outside Reno Nevada.



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Sep 15, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

But Richard,

It’s ok your leader says it’s not effecting global warming at all, and science 
hasn’t proved anything.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Subject: Air Quality info

Rather than mention this on a thread about NFL games, I am giving it its own 
thread.
IN Portland, Oregon today, the air quality at 7:09 AM is 453 which is quite 
hazardous.
You can ask Siri for the Air quality in most cities in the United States.
I do not know what information is available in other countries.
Last week, Portland, Oregon had the worst air quality in the world due to the 
smoke from the fires, sometimes going well over 500 and eugene Oregon hit 
almost 700..
Since California is also dealing with fires a good comparison is Los Angeles, 
which is considered unhealthy right now at 168.
Once you get away from the fires, for example, Pheonix, Arizona is moderate at 
59, New York City is good at 32.
Those last two are likely from normal air pollution.

IN Portland, they are not expecting much improvement until Thursday or Friday 
when we may finally get some rain and air flow from the west.

HTH,

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RE: Bone conduction Headphones

2020-09-15 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Thanks Christopher,

Much appreciated and good to know.

Cheers.


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I certainly understand the point about the cost of the Airpod Pro’s. The Bose 
Frames are another interesting option, but they may be too pricy as well. The 
sound quality is better than the Trekz Titanioums, and they also don’t go in 
your ears. The battery life is pretty short though. Again, they’re not bone 
conduction either. For exercising, I’d still go with the Trekz Titaniums over 
the Airpod Pro’s or the Bose Frames.

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Subject: RE: Bone conduction Headphones

Yeah the airpods pro would be great but they cost a bit to much for the user 
wanting them here in NZ.

And with bone conduction they can listen while listening.

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I also feel the same way about my Trekz Titaniums from Aftershokz.

These aren’t bone conduction options, but the Airpod Pro’s with their 
transparency mode also have a place, as do the Bose Frames. These are 
especially good options if you want better audio quality then you’ll get from 
the Trekz Titaniums.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Hi Simon. I've been quite happy with my Trekz Titaniums from Aftershokz. In 
fact, I've never felt the need to try any other brand. They have built in voice 
guidance, are easy to use and do a good job sonically. I don't use them to hear 
audio dramas or music if I don't have to. I much prefer my AirPods. However, if 
I'm walking or out where I might easily loose my AirPods, they're great for 
walking, reading books with synthetic speech, listenning to podcasts, etc. when 
you need your actual hearing, the trade of worse sound quality is well worth 
it. The other down side of these headsets is that the microphones aren't great. 
You can be understood on phone calls but that's about it. I wouldn't want to be 
interviewed using them to record my speech. Hope that helps.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 4:09 AM Simon A Fogarty 
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Hi Lists,



I’m just wondering if anyone uses Bone Conduction Headphones with their iPhones 
or iPads,



If folks are I’m just wondering what brands / models are people using?



I’m looking for the best option for a friend to use while they are walking etc,



Any help would be appreciated.





Cheers,





Simon F










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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

2020-09-15 Thread Simon A Fogarty
All of them are fully accessible to the blind / vi.

They all have voiceover built in and work fantastically well

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Irons
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 10:03 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

Hello, just wondering which version of the Apple Watch would be most accessible 
to someone who is totally blind.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
My hesitation in thinking about buying an Apple Watch is that I have not been 
able to confirm that the batteries cannot be replaced, which is what someone 
told me.
If that is true, it means you have to plan on replacing it whenever the battery 
wears out, which granted, probably won’t be for 3 to 5 years and maybe more, 
but that just seems very odd to me and I have not been close enough to wanting 
one to call Apple to confirm if that is true.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

It was the ECG I was thinking of, and of course I couldn’t remember the acronym 
at that time. I suppose if I were going to get a watch, which thus far I have 
not done, I would go for the new 6
Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what 
else it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but 
it should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the details are on their page?


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert



On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Richard,

Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.

Alan Lemly

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

2020-09-15 Thread Simon A Fogarty
I sold my apple watch Series 2 prior to xmas last year and it’s still working 
fine for the person using it.

So that’s at least 4 years back,



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 9:41 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

Interesting. So they can’t be replaced even at an Apple store? I wonder how 
long the batteries tend to last. There is a history with Apple Watch. I know 
people that still have series 3 models. So that would be what? Three or four 
years ago? Three I guess. That’s not bad.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 15, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

My hesitation in thinking about buying an Apple Watch is that I have not been 
able to confirm that the batteries cannot be replaced, which is what someone 
told me.
If that is true, it means you have to plan on replacing it whenever the battery 
wears out, which granted, probably won’t be for 3 to 5 years and maybe more, 
but that just seems very odd to me and I have not been close enough to wanting 
one to call Apple to confirm if that is true.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

It was the ECG I was thinking of, and of course I couldn’t remember the acronym 
at that time. I suppose if I were going to get a watch, which thus far I have 
not done, I would go for the new 6
Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what 
else it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but 
it should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the details are on their page?


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert



On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Richard,

Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




Richard
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RE: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

2020-09-15 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Hi Richard,

How was the new beta labelled?

As my updates show the version as ios 14,
With no beta version or point version.

And this is a public beta.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 9:27 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

The final beta just came out.
There have been issues and with message threading, misspelled words on the 
rotor, and maybe a couple other oddities, so I would not recommend people 
update immediately when it comes out tomorrow.
Also, some settings have been added and changed.  I won’t say more until after 
the release.
Go and read the Applevis.com blog tomorrow to see what they say.
Here is the main blog page link.  Look for a heading with iOS 14 in it probably 
tomorrow mid-day or afternoon to give them time to get it posted.
https://www.applevis.com/blog



Richard
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Hi All,
Just asking the beta tester how IOS 14 workds with VO. Is it stable or have a 
lot of bugs?
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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

2020-09-15 Thread Simon A Fogarty
It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,
It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,
So a slightly earlier chip,

Everything else is pretty much the same from what they presented.

It does sound like a great device

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Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 8:34 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what else 
it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but it 
should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the details are on their page?


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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Richard,

Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.

Alan Lemly

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
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The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




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RE: I O S 14

2020-09-15 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Just remember that the Blood o2 meter / sensor on the watch is just that,
Part of a watch,

If you want to use that to judge your Bo2
Then take the results with a grain of salt,

It’s not something I would use if I was seriously concerned about my BO2 
hydration.

But it does sound like a cool toy for playing with.

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Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 7:23 am
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Subject: Re: I O S 14

Hi,
I watched the apple event, and I thought that the blood oxygen monitor on the 
Apple Watch is a huge deal because as blind people, we have very limited access 
to medical devices that are accessible to monitor vital signs, and this is 
especially essential for those with life-threatening chronic health conditions 
like heart-disease, diabetes, asthma and even COVID-19.
Knowing your blood oxygen level is very useful when fighting covid because you 
can be breathing and talking just fine, and not even know if your oxygen level 
is very low until you suddenly crash. Many of the pulse oximeters are 
inaccessible, or at least, I haven’t heard of talking pulse oximeters. So, if 
you are alone and fighting covid or some other chronic condition, how are you 
supposed to manage it if you don’t have the accessible technology without 
having to break the bank and deal with the insurance companies?
The Apple Watch is a cost-effective way to reduce the shopping cart of 
accessories we used to use every day just to accomplish basic tasks like 
tracking time, writing, reading, monitoring health  and others.

Also I like the fact that the apple bands can fit a wider variety of sizes 
without having to adjust any clasps because it is a challenge when wearing 
bracelets for me. I have very small wrists and often times bracelets fall off 
my hand, especially the bangles. I cannot really find bangles that fit right at 
least in adult sizes without some of them going up my arm. I think that the new 
Apple Watch is the big highlight from the apple event.
Last year, I went to try on the apple watches, and some of the bands were to 
loose on me and there was no way of adjusting them, especially for the leather 
band with the magnetic clasp. So my options at the time were the sports band 
that had the adjustable holes, having to adjust the watch to the second last or 
even the last hole in order to fit properly.




On Sep 15, 2020, at 2:20 PM, Pete Nalda 
mailto:lpna...@gmail.com>> wrote:

A new update to what we have. Looks like.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
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pattigj1...@gmail.com wrote:

Is there a new apple tv coming out or just a new update to what we already have?
Patti


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Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14

They always repost it later the same day or certainly by tomorrow.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: 
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 On Behalf Of Noe Villeda
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14

I wonder if they’ll repost the Apple event?
I am working from home, and wasn’t able to listen to it.



From: 
viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14

You can use the following link from any apple device or with MicrosoftEdge on a 
Windows 10 
computer:http://apple.com/apple-events/event-stream/



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Wayne Merritt 
mailto:wcmerr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I listen through the TWIT network. They 

RE: Bone conduction Headphones

2020-09-15 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Thanks but the pro airpods are to costly and waring one while cycling could be 
interesting for this person.



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Bierman
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 11:21 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bone conduction Headphones

There are lots. I've had a couple of cheap no-name chinese headsets. 
https://news.soulrunnner.com/best-conduction-headphones-2020/?gclid=CjwKCAjwzIH7BRAbEiwAoDxxTnOpwN-dpGAJkc0ciDbn8-MABqj_8e6X438k-PFM-YYV1igMTGH_wBoCmPMQAvD_BwE
 has reviews of several.

Personally, I prefer the Apple AirPods pro in transparency mode, and/or wearing 
just one. But it's all what one gets used to, I suppose

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 4:40 PM Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
So the key thing here is that the sound quality is not overly fantastic which 
to me makes sense,

But they do allow the user to hear what is both happening from the headphones 
and what is happening around the user environmentally

So they would be a good choice if someone was walking or cycling a lot?

Does anyone know of any other brands of bone conduction headphones other than 
the after shocks?

Thanks.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Michael Feir
Sent: Tuesday, 15 September 2020 9:47 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Bone conduction Headphones

Hi Simon. I've been quite happy with my Trekz Titaniums from Aftershokz. In 
fact, I've never felt the need to try any other brand. They have built in voice 
guidance, are easy to use and do a good job sonically. I don't use them to hear 
audio dramas or music if I don't have to. I much prefer my AirPods. However, if 
I'm walking or out where I might easily loose my AirPods, they're great for 
walking, reading books with synthetic speech, listenning to podcasts, etc. when 
you need your actual hearing, the trade of worse sound quality is well worth 
it. The other down side of these headsets is that the microphones aren't great. 
You can be understood on phone calls but that's about it. I wouldn't want to be 
interviewed using them to record my speech. Hope that helps.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 4:09 AM Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:












Hi Lists,



I’m just wondering if anyone uses Bone Conduction Headphones with their iPhones 
or iPads,



If folks are I’m just wondering what brands / models are people using?



I’m looking for the best option for a friend to use while they are walking etc,



Any help would be appreciated.





Cheers,





Simon F












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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

2020-09-15 Thread Simon A Fogarty
it is a good point,

I take it you either have to purchase one or use a wifi charging pad with watch 
puck.

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Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 6:17 am
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So if they are not shipping USB adapters with new Apple watches, how are you 
expected to charge them?

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
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Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




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RE: I O S 14

2020-09-15 Thread Simon A Fogarty
No mention at this point.

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Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 6:16 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14

Is there a new apple tv coming out or just a new update to what we already have?
Patti


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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14

They always repost it later the same day or certainly by tomorrow.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Noe 
Villeda
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14

I wonder if they’ll repost the Apple event?
I am working from home, and wasn’t able to listen to it.



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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14


You can use the following link from any apple device or with MicrosoftEdge on a 
Windows 10 
computer:http://apple.com/apple-events/event-stream/



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Wayne Merritt 
mailto:wcmerr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I listen through the TWIT network. They offer running commentary on
the event as it happens, which does prevent you from hearing exactly
what was said, since the Apple event audio fades to the background.
However, often Apple shows videos and there's nothing useful for us
totals in those videos. Leo LePorte and is experts often will describe
what is shown for the listener. I heard once they have a counter and
can see how many are watching and listening to their stream, and can
adjust to offer more or less description based on those numbers.
Occasionally, I will go back and watch segments of the event on
YouTube later if I want to know what exactly they said. I have used
ooTunes to listen to TWIT, but one could also use TuneIn Radio or
other radio streaming apps.

Enjoy,
Wayne Merritt

On 9/15/20, Chris Chaffin 
mailto:chaffin102...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It is also available to watch in the TV app on your iPhone. If you navigate
by heading, it is very easy to find.

Chris


On Sep 15, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Kay Malmquist 
mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>>
wrote:


Which reminds me.  What is the best way to listen to this?


Kay Malmquist
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- Edward Herbert

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: I O S 14

Apple will be announcing that today during their event starting at 10 AM.
Until Apple makes their announcement, no one will know.HTH,



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 5:04 AM, Noe Villeda 
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Hello group,
Does anyone know when I O S 14 will be released?
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RE: I O S 14

2020-09-15 Thread Simon A Fogarty
I haven’t watched the entire thing but the watch and iPad 8 haven’t yet really 
shown me anything different,

And the subscription services with the / for the apple watch s6 wont be 
available here for us in NZ as we don’t have the cellular watch models 
available.

The release of an sE watch was a bit of a surprize as well as them keeping the 
s3 device


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 6:14 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14


There was no mention of iPhone at all during today's event. However IOS 14 
drops for everyone tomorrow according to what Tim Cooke said at the end of the 
event. It makes me wonder how delayed the iPhone 12 really is. I wonder if they 
will announce it like they did with the SE or if they will have a special event 
just for iPhone?
On 9/15/2020 1:03 PM, Noe Villeda wrote:
I wonder if they’ll repost the Apple event?
I am working from home, and wasn’t able to listen to it.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
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Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14


You can use the following link from any apple device or with MicrosoftEdge on a 
Windows 10 computer:http://apple.com/apple-events/event-stream/



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert



On Sep 15, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Wayne Merritt 
 wrote:
I listen through the TWIT network. They offer running commentary on
the event as it happens, which does prevent you from hearing exactly
what was said, since the Apple event audio fades to the background.
However, often Apple shows videos and there's nothing useful for us
totals in those videos. Leo LePorte and is experts often will describe
what is shown for the listener. I heard once they have a counter and
can see how many are watching and listening to their stream, and can
adjust to offer more or less description based on those numbers.
Occasionally, I will go back and watch segments of the event on
YouTube later if I want to know what exactly they said. I have used
ooTunes to listen to TWIT, but one could also use TuneIn Radio or
other radio streaming apps.

Enjoy,
Wayne Merritt

On 9/15/20, Chris Chaffin 
 wrote:


It is also available to watch in the TV app on your iPhone. If you navigate
by heading, it is very easy to find.

Chris


On Sep 15, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Kay Malmquist 

wrote:


Which reminds me.  What is the best way to listen to this?


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)"

- Edward Herbert

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: I O S 14

Apple will be announcing that today during their event starting at 10 AM.
Until Apple makes their announcement, no one will know.HTH,



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 5:04 AM, Noe Villeda 
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Hello group,
Does anyone know when I O S 14 will be released?
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RE: Question about Text Grabber app

2020-09-15 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Try searching for Microsoft and then flick down through the applications.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 3:57 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

Where can I find seeing AI? I went to the upstore and couldn’t find it.

Rena

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

Why not try seeing AI from Microsoft also.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Tuesday, 15 September 2020 6:10 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

I am thinking about different items: mail, cans, boxes, etc.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

It is for scanning anything that is in print.
Which is what Text Grabber should do, but Voice Dream Scanner does a better job.
If the cost is an issue,  try Seeing AI, which is free and can do either 
immediate reading of anything in view of the camera, or it has a document 
channel that will scan a page.
Prizmo go is also free and can do a quick scan of a page, etc.

It depends what kind of printed material you are wanting to scan.
Perhaps you could give examples of printed items you want to get access to and 
we could give more specific recommendations.




Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 8:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

What does it do? What does it read?


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Sieghard Weitzel
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Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

No, Voice Dream Scanner is another app, but it's from the same developer as 
Voice Dream Reader.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 8:26 AM
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Subject: RE: Question about Text Grabber app

I have voice dream reader. Is this the same?

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:05 AM
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Subject: Re: Question about Text Grabber app

I never found text grabber all that useful.
I use Voice Dream Scanner, $5.99.





Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 14, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Rena 
mailto:onyxfran...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello,

I have Text Grabber in my iPhone 6S, but I don’t understand how to use it 
despite I read some descriptions. Would anyone please explain?

By the way, thanks for the explanation about EyeNote. It seems magic.

Rena
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RE: Air Quality info

2020-09-15 Thread Simon A Fogarty
But Richard,

It’s ok your leader says it’s not effecting global warming at all, and science 
hasn’t proved anything.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:22 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Air Quality info

Rather than mention this on a thread about NFL games, I am giving it its own 
thread.
IN Portland, Oregon today, the air quality at 7:09 AM is 453 which is quite 
hazardous.
You can ask Siri for the Air quality in most cities in the United States.
I do not know what information is available in other countries.
Last week, Portland, Oregon had the worst air quality in the world due to the 
smoke from the fires, sometimes going well over 500 and eugene Oregon hit 
almost 700..
Since California is also dealing with fires a good comparison is Los Angeles, 
which is considered unhealthy right now at 168.
Once you get away from the fires, for example, Pheonix, Arizona is moderate at 
59, New York City is good at 32.
Those last two are likely from normal air pollution.

IN Portland, they are not expecting much improvement until Thursday or Friday 
when we may finally get some rain and air flow from the west.

HTH,

Richard
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RE: I O S 14

2020-09-15 Thread Simon A Fogarty
And 5am Wednesday morning in new zealdnd,

Because we get everything first.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Flor 
Lynch
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:15 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14

10am PACIFIC; 1pm Eastern; 6pm UK time.

From: llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 3:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I O S 14
10:00 a.m. which time zone?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I O S 14

Apple will be announcing that today during their event starting at 10 AM. Until 
Apple makes their announcement, no one will know.HTH,


Richard
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On Sep 15, 2020, at 5:04 AM, Noe Villeda 
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Hello group,

Does anyone know when I O S 14 will be released?


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RE: audio Stream of NFL Games

2020-09-15 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Richard,
You use to call football soccer, now it is football,

But in countrys like nz Australia south Africa 
We play rugby football,

Which is 30 players trying to get an egg shaped ball oover the try line 
And that's 15 players per side,
And no one wears padding,

It's just raw strength and muscle,

And that's just the women players.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:00 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: audio Stream of NFL Games

Not to mention the ball is oblong shaped so it takes strange bounces if it hits 
the ground and is a little harder to catch.
And, it is mostly handled by one's hands, not their foot, unlike football 
played in most other places in the world, which we call socker.  



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 5:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Oh yes, and they run up and down the field chasing each other and jumping on 
opponents whenever possible! Great fun for sure. LOL!

-Original Message-----
From: Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 6:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: audio Stream of NFL Games

What is this game NFL you folks speak of?

Is it some fancy game where people throw things at each other while wearing 
pads and helmets?



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fred 
Olver
Sent: Tuesday, 15 September 2020 7:03 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: audio Stream of NFL Games

I am using an app called gameday, it provides radio streams for the various 
teams.

Fred Olver
- Original Message -
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Subject: audio Stream of NFL Games


> hi,
>
> I am wondering what apps people are using to listen to the audio 
> streams of NFL games. I had renewed my tune in radio pro premium only 
> to find out they're not carrying audio streams this year. Does anyone 
> have any suggestions? I am a buffalo bills fan.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Lynda
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