RE: Hey Siri irritation I hope they fix

[Alan Lemly]

At least as far as I'm concerned, the way to get me NOT to use a product is to 
make its performance inconsistent. Apple seems to have nailed the inconsistency 
where Siri is concerned and I can only hope that we see improvements sooner 
rather than later. I find I'm using the Google app for any knowledge-based 
questions that don't involve app interaction.

Alan Lemly

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 11:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Hey Siri irritation I hope they fix

SIRI seems to be very inconsistent. For years I always said "Call my office" 
when I wanted to call my store. I of course have my own contact card with work 
and cell number and this was never a problem.
Yesterday I said "Call my office" as I always do and SIRI came back and said "I 
don't have a phone number for Doris - office". I have a contact with first name 
Doris, but I tried it several times throughout the day clearly pronouncing my 
request and each time I got the Doris thing. I say "Call my work" and it's 
fine. I just tried it again and again I get the reply that it doesn't have a 
phone number for Doris - Office". Well, at least it's now consistent about not 
having a phone number for Doris!
Another example is this: I ask SIRI "Look for nearby restaurants". It starts 
telling me about restaurants it found and as Mary said, each time it will ask 
"Is this the one you want?". If I say "Yes" it will then say "Great, I can call 
this location or give you directions, which do you want". Let's say I want to 
call so I say "Call". Usually it will then go ahead and call, but a few weeks 
ago and for at least a week or two each time I said "Call" after it asked, SIRI 
would then come back and ask "Who do you want to call" as if it forgot that it 
just found a business for me and asked if I wanted to call it. Lately this has 
been working correctly again, but as I said, SIRI is very limited in some of 
what it can do and even in what it can do it's often inconsistent.
It will be interesting to see how it will be in the fall when the Apple servers 
have to handle many more requests because of all the additional things people 
will ask SIRI to do with respect to those apps that can make use of SIRI.
I just listened to the Apple Byte podcast and Brian Tong said while SIRI is 
available to developers in a limited fashion in iOS 10 and may be able to do a 
few more things, he feels that it is not actually going to get "smarter" as in 
being able to handle more complex or layered requests. Maybe it will next year, 
but I think for now the gap between SIRI and other artificial intelligence 
personal assistants will continue to grow.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 9:36 AM
To: VIPhone 'RobH. ' via <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Hey Siri irritation I hope they fix

Here is something I do not understand about Siri. This happens a lot for me. If 
I ask Siri for either the phone number or the specific address of a business 
located on such and such a Street, Siri always comes back and says something 
like I found one on such and such a Street. Is that the one you want? It is the 
one I asked for. Why does Siri need to ask me if what I just asked for is what 
I want? This is the opposite of an intelligent assistant.
Mary


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RE: Hey Siri irritation I hope they fix

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Hi,

The 2 guys who founded Siri, sold Siri to Apple, and continue to work with 
Apple in some capacity were interviewed on the CBS This Morning show this 
morning.

IN a new endeavor, they are working on expanded virtual intelligence with a new 
assistant termbed Vib. Apparently, this will be available to some in some 
capacity later this year. They said it should expand virtual assistance from 
the current several dozen capabilities as available in Siri to "thousands" 
within Vib using something they termed conversational communication ( I may 
have the second term wrong). Apparetly it's based on the Watson platform IBM 
used to win at Jeopardy. Not surprisingly, they talked in quite expansive 
terms, but at least it sounds as if more capabilities will be hitting the 
streets within months to several years. It's important to note they were 
talking about their new endeavor, and didn't tie it in to an Apple partnership 
in any way.

Keith

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 11:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Hey Siri irritation I hope they fix

SIRI seems to be very inconsistent. For years I always said "Call my office" 
when I wanted to call my store. I of course have my own contact card with work 
and cell number and this was never a problem.
Yesterday I said "Call my office" as I always do and SIRI came back and said "I 
don't have a phone number for Doris - office". I have a contact with first name 
Doris, but I tried it several times throughout the day clearly pronouncing my 
request and each time I got the Doris thing. I say "Call my work" and it's 
fine. I just tried it again and again I get the reply that it doesn't have a 
phone number for Doris - Office". Well, at least it's now consistent about not 
having a phone number for Doris!
Another example is this: I ask SIRI "Look for nearby restaurants". It starts 
telling me about restaurants it found and as Mary said, each time it will ask 
"Is this the one you want?". If I say "Yes" it will then say "Great, I can call 
this location or give you directions, which do you want". Let's say I want to 
call so I say "Call". Usually it will then go ahead and call, but a few weeks 
ago and for at least a week or two each time I said "Call" after it asked, SIRI 
would then come back and ask "Who do you want to call" as if it forgot that it 
just found a business for me and asked if I wanted to call it. Lately this has 
been working correctly again, but as I said, SIRI is very limited in some of 
what it can do and even in what it can do it's often inconsistent.
It will be interesting to see how it will be in the fall when the Apple servers 
have to handle many more requests because of all the additional things people 
will ask SIRI to do with respect to those apps that can make use of SIRI.
I just listened to the Apple Byte podcast and Brian Tong said while SIRI is 
available to developers in a limited fashion in iOS 10 and may be able to do a 
few more things, he feels that it is not actually going to get "smarter" as in 
being able to handle more complex or layered requests. Maybe it will next year, 
but I think for now the gap between SIRI and other artificial intelligence 
personal assistants will continue to grow.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 9:36 AM
To: VIPhone 'RobH. ' via <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Hey Siri irritation I hope they fix

Here is something I do not understand about Siri. This happens a lot for me. If 
I ask Siri for either the phone number or the specific address of a business 
located on such and such a Street, Siri always comes back and says something 
like I found one on such and such a Street. Is that the one you want? It is the 
one I asked for. Why does Siri need to ask me if what I just asked for is what 
I want? This is the opposite of an intelligent assistant.
Mary


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RE: Hey Siri irritation I hope they fix

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Barry,

Edit your Yellow Cab contact and put “Yellow Cab” not just in the company field 
but also in the last name field. You will most likely find that SIRI will call 
it properly without looking it up online which is what you describe. I had the 
same problem with some local businesses here like Safeway, but as soon as I put 
the business name in the last name field SIRI will take it from your contacts 
instead of looking it up online. It’s ridiculous that SIRI can’t even search 
the company field of contacts and you basically have to duplicate the company 
name in the last name field.


Regards,
Sieghard.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Barry Abbott
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 9:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hey Siri irritation I hope they fix

I have found that even if I have the business in my contacts  SIRI will still 
respond in that way.

I say: “Call Yellow Cab” and SIRI responds “I found a Yellow cab on Gladstone 
Street is that the one you want?”

Even worse if I say “Call Caseno Taxi” also in my contacts
SIRI will often respond “I found “Caseno Nova Scotia on Barrington Street . . 
.” - Totally unrelated to my request.

It would seem as if there may be a different search algorithm  which basis 
responses on paying customers.

I have noticed this since iOS 8. It is so inefficient now. If you ask it to 
call a friend or family member in your contacts it works fine. Otherwise I now 
say “dial” and give it the number of the taxi company I want.

Barry
On Jun 17, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Mary Otten 
<motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Here is something I do not understand about Siri. This happens a lot for me. If 
I ask Siri for either the phone number or the specific address of a business 
located on such and such a Street, Siri always comes back and says something 
like I found one on such and such a Street. Is that the one you want? It is the 
one I asked for. Why does Siri need to ask me if what I just asked for is what 
I want? This is the opposite of an intelligent assistant.
Mary


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RE: Hey Siri irritation I hope they fix

[Sieghard Weitzel]

SIRI seems to be very inconsistent. For years I always said "Call my office" 
when I wanted to call my store. I of course have my own contact card with work 
and cell number and this was never a problem.
Yesterday I said "Call my office" as I always do and SIRI came back and said "I 
don't have a phone number for Doris - office". I have a contact with first name 
Doris, but I tried it several times throughout the day clearly pronouncing my 
request and each time I got the Doris thing. I say "Call my work" and it's 
fine. I just tried it again and again I get the reply that it doesn't have a 
phone number for Doris - Office". Well, at least it's now consistent about not 
having a phone number for Doris!
Another example is this: I ask SIRI "Look for nearby restaurants". It starts 
telling me about restaurants it found and as Mary said, each time it will ask 
"Is this the one you want?". If I say "Yes" it will then say "Great, I can call 
this location or give you directions, which do you want". Let's say I want to 
call so I say "Call". Usually it will then go ahead and call, but a few weeks 
ago and for at least a week or two each time I said "Call" after it asked, SIRI 
would then come back and ask "Who do you want to call" as if it forgot that it 
just found a business for me and asked if I wanted to call it. Lately this has 
been working correctly again, but as I said, SIRI is very limited in some of 
what it can do and even in what it can do it's often inconsistent.
It will be interesting to see how it will be in the fall when the Apple servers 
have to handle many more requests because of all the additional things people 
will ask SIRI to do with respect to those apps that can make use of SIRI.
I just listened to the Apple Byte podcast and Brian Tong said while SIRI is 
available to developers in a limited fashion in iOS 10 and may be able to do a 
few more things, he feels that it is not actually going to get "smarter" as in 
being able to handle more complex or layered requests. Maybe it will next year, 
but I think for now the gap between SIRI and other artificial intelligence 
personal assistants will continue to grow.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 9:36 AM
To: VIPhone 'RobH. ' via <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Hey Siri irritation I hope they fix

Here is something I do not understand about Siri. This happens a lot for me. If 
I ask Siri for either the phone number or the specific address of a business 
located on such and such a Street, Siri always comes back and says something 
like I found one on such and such a Street. Is that the one you want? It is the 
one I asked for. Why does Siri need to ask me if what I just asked for is what 
I want? This is the opposite of an intelligent assistant.
Mary


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Re: Hey Siri irritation I hope they fix

[Barry Abbott]

I have found that even if I have the business in my contacts  SIRI will still 
respond in that way.

I say: “Call Yellow Cab” and SIRI responds “I found a Yellow cab on Gladstone 
Street is that the one you want?”

Even worse if I say “Call Caseno Taxi” also in my contacts  
SIRI will often respond “I found “Caseno Nova Scotia on Barrington Street . . 
.” - Totally unrelated to my request.

It would seem as if there may be a different search algorithm  which basis 
responses on paying customers.

I have noticed this since iOS 8. It is so inefficient now. If you ask it to 
call a friend or family member in your contacts it works fine. Otherwise I now 
say “dial” and give it the number of the taxi company I want.

Barry
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Here is something I do not understand about Siri. This happens a lot for me. 
> If I ask Siri for either the phone number or the specific address of a 
> business located on such and such a Street, Siri always comes back and says 
> something like I found one on such and such a Street. Is that the one you 
> want? It is the one I asked for. Why does Siri need to ask me if what I just 
> asked for is what I want? This is the opposite of an intelligent assistant.
> Mary
> 
> 
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Hey Siri irritation I hope they fix

[Mary Otten]

Here is something I do not understand about Siri. This happens a lot for me. If 
I ask Siri for either the phone number or the specific address of a business 
located on such and such a Street, Siri always comes back and says something 
like I found one on such and such a Street. Is that the one you want? It is the 
one I asked for. Why does Siri need to ask me if what I just asked for is what 
I want? This is the opposite of an intelligent assistant.
Mary


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