Hi Pablo, I don't usually offer directed mod notes, but in this case, I'd just like to suggest a few things.
Firstly, I'm keeping this on-list as I'd like to state for the record, that I agree with you here. So to the list, regardless of your thoughts on Pablo and his complaints, I agree with him. -And I'd go further to say that rather than call his sentiments ridiculous or whatever names people had for them earlier this week, let me remind you all that we don't do name-calling here. I don't care what your feelings about someone's posts are. There's never an excuse here for name-calling. Know what I mean? You don't need to agree with people, but don't ever disrespect them here. K? Thanks! :) So now on to my other points. Pablo, it sounds like you're really having serious issues with the performance of your iPhone 4 with iOS 7. So I'd suggest that now it's time to talk to Apple more closely on this one. I think this list has probably given as much feedback on this particular situation as it can possibly give. So have you considered finding an Apple Store close to you? Perhaps it might help you get some piece of mind if you can speak with an Apple employee directly. Maybe they can also offer you some suggestions to help you that this list may not know. I know you've already spoken with Apple tech support so that would also be another option to follow up with once again. I know that we all here want each other to have very cool and nicely-working devices so we can not only be productive but also enjoy using them. As you say, you paid good money for your iDevice and I absolutely agree with and support you, that you should have something to show for that. You should have something that is not only meeting your needs each day, but something that is also bringing joy to your life! :) Know what I mean? if we can't have that, then what's the point, right? :) So again, let me suggest that you now direct your energies into getting in touch more closely with Apple and really explaining to them all of your concerns and issues you may have, so that you can find some resolution on this. What do you think? Kudos to you for really explaining and sharing your experiences here and also for doing this in a way that is maintaining a positive discussion. Yes, you have rights and you may have some issues right now. So now it is time to continue sharing those with Apple. They are the ones now, who can offer you the real help you need… If you can, please do also consider sharing your experiences when you do take this up with Apple further, if you would? Thanks so much! :) Have an awesome day and talk with you soon! Smiles, Cara :) On Oct 6, 2013, at 12:13 PM, "Pablo Morales" <pablomorale...@gmail.com> wrote: Well, the problem is the IOs 7 is making the phone very slow, and is very hard to work on this device, since IOs 7 appeared. If IOs 7 didn't make my iPhone 4 so slow, probably I would not been saying anything. But use an iPhone 4 who takes 22 seconds to open settings, and if I go to mail, contacts, ...., it takes 14 more seconds to open that part in settings. Is very annoying work like this. I don't care if apple wants to keep updated every body. But the update should not became our devices in devices very hard to be use, or devices that are becoming in unusable devices due the last update. Those cases that you explained to us, sound very nice, but if I don't want to install an update, apple has not right to fill my iPhone memory. It is the memory of my iPhone, no the memory of apple's iPhone. So I paid it, and it is my. You know, property rights. If I want to put my iPhone under a drill, it is my iPhone, and I am able to do with it, what ever I want. If I want to put my iPhone inside the pool, it is my iPhone, and I am able to do what ever I want with my iPhone. But apple doesn't have rights to download anything in the memory of my iPhone without my permission. Apple doesn't have right to push me to install an operated system that makes my iPhone so slow, and with bunches of bugs. They don't have rights on my property. you know, property rights. ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERT CARTER To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:30 PM Subject: Re: Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations Hi, I would like to address this issue from a historical perspective. Since it was founded back in 1976, Apple has always been about moving forward even if that meant canabilizing its own product line. We saw it when they moved from the Apple II to the Mac. Again when they replaced an extremely successful top selling iPod with the iPod Nano. Each time a new version of OS X or iOS is released, the previous version is unavailable by the very next day on every piece of hardware that is for sale in an Apple store. Apple moves forward leaving the earlier OS behind. If, for whatever reason, you choose to stay with an older version there will always be a price to pay. Stick with Snow Leopard and you will not have iCloud. Stick with iOS 6 and you will have 3 GB less space on your device. Apple wants all of its customers to run the latest version. They are about moving forward. Apple has never apologized for pushing out the latest operating system. It is at the core of Apple's DNA. People who don't understand this don't have a good understanding of Apple's philosophy. This is understandable given that so many people have recently come to Apple devices. This approach is extremely successful with the majority already having upgraded to iOS 7. Of course there are bugs but most of us find the advantages outweigh the disadvantages of using the current operating system. Since Apple wants its customers to keep buying products, it will fix the bugs. A willingness to move forward or an acceptance that one pays the price for choosing not to do so is just the way it works. No amount of complaining will change this reality. If you decide that 3 GB of space is to much of a price to pay for staying with iOS 6, you could upgrade or you could switch to Android. They, unfortunately, have the opposite problem where many devices cannot or are not allowed to run the latest version of the OS. Like with Apple, this reality is just the way it is. No amount of complaining will change it. Robert Carter On Oct 4, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > Hello, > Jonathan as always explains things like nobody else and I do agree that the > automatic downloading of iOS 7 is maybe not something Apple should force on > people even though it is also not new since they did the same with iOS 5 and > iOS 6. > Here is a point, though, which I wonder about: > People mostly complain that on something like a 16 Gb phone this update takes > up a lot of space and I would agree that it does. If you only have maybe 3 or > 4 Gb free space and this is almost 3 Gb it doesn’t leave you with much. If > you use a 16 Gb phone but you don’t really fill your device with music and > only use storage space for some apps, maybe a few books or pictures, then you > probably have at least 6 or 8 Gb free space in which case it’s a mute point > if half of that space is used up by the update since chances are you won’t > run out of space. > If your phone is so full that maybe you only have 1 Gb free I wonder what > happens then. I somehow doubt Apple randomly can delete stuff from your phone > to make room for the update, it is my guess that if you went to Software > Update in General Settings it would have an “Download and Install” option > since it could not download the update and if you tried it you would be > informed that there wasn’t enough space. At that point you would have to take > off (un-sync) some music, pictures, books or apps depending on what you have > on your phone to fill it up should you want to install the update, afterwards > you could resync that content. > So, maybe this is something to remember next year as a work-around. If you > have a 16 Gb device and don’t want a new iOS update to download, simply make > sure you fill your device with content and only leave maybe less than 2 Gb > free for use, this way there is not enough space for the update to download > and you are good to go. If you have 5, 6 or 8 Gb of free space or even more > then having the just under 3 Gb download sitting on your device is a mute > point. Should people have to do this? No, probably not, I think Apple should > put something into the Settings which just as you can turn off automatic app > updates allows you to turn off automatic iOS update downloads. They could > even have this set to On by default since then it’s up to each person who > cares enough to not want this to turn it off. > Regards, > Sieghard > a quarter or and have a smaller > First, it is my understanding that this only downloads via > is a point, though, regarding space. 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