Re: Greater Voice Controls coming in iOS and Mac 13

2019-06-27 Thread Pramit 
Apple Voice Control is for SIGHTED  motor-disabled and is of no use  for 
us visually impaired.


It is exactly like Google's Voice Access, which was in beta for a long 
long time.


Pramit


On 14-06-2019 01:07, Mr. Ed wrote:

Hi,
I believe when I listen to the event and they talked about voice control they 
said it was for accessibility for the disabled. They then it was to help people 
with limited hand control to voice operate the IOS device. So another words to 
allow someone with limited movement or someone who has had a stroke be able to 
control the IOS device. That is the way I understood it when I heard it.
Mr. Ed


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Of course, it's a sighted world.

Best regards,

Carolyn


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I don't know. Hope Apple isn't planning on slowly replacing VoiceOver with this 
VoiceControl? I can't realistically see how both features can co-exist, and 
work optimally.




It seems like they're trying to extend the accessibility of VoiceOver 
(Benefited only the visually impaired community) into something that can 
benefit allot more users (Mainly sighted.)




Guess only time will tell how this turns out.





On 6/10/2019 10:05 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone wrote:


It will be really interesting to see how well voice control works with 
VoiceOver, if it does  because that combination has never been mentioned by 
Apple - including how they manage us getting past the passcode lock screen 
without touching the screen! Folk with macular degeneration and Parkinson’s 
would really benefit! I think I’ll sign up for beta testing next month in order 
to give feedback.
Cheers
Harry

On 10 Jun 2019, at 14:43, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:




THIS will be a great addition to Apple's accessibility. 
The link below is for a youtube video from Apple:
https://youtu.be/aqoXFCCTfm4 
<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FaqoXFCCTfm4=02%7C01%7C%7C16f7f01b49bb41c938ce08d6eda8d418%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636957706691872958=Gje2Wkxdf5A2ElSxh3LajE8PGJxYLfh7MrWWBPhROr0%3D=0>






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RE: Greater Voice Controls coming in iOS and Mac 13

2019-06-13 Thread Mr. Ed 
Hi,
I believe when I listen to the event and they talked about voice control they 
said it was for accessibility for the disabled. They then it was to help people 
with limited hand control to voice operate the IOS device. So another words to 
allow someone with limited movement or someone who has had a stroke be able to 
control the IOS device. That is the way I understood it when I heard it.
Mr. Ed


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Carolyn Arnold
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Subject: RE: Greater Voice Controls coming in iOS and Mac 13

Of course, it's a sighted world. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Kenny
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Subject: Re: Greater Voice Controls coming in iOS and Mac 13

I don't know. Hope Apple isn't planning on slowly replacing VoiceOver with this 
VoiceControl? I can't realistically see how both features can co-exist, and 
work optimally.




It seems like they're trying to extend the accessibility of VoiceOver 
(Benefited only the visually impaired community) into something that can 
benefit allot more users (Mainly sighted.)




Guess only time will tell how this turns out.





On 6/10/2019 10:05 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone wrote:


It will be really interesting to see how well voice control works with 
VoiceOver, if it does  because that combination has never been mentioned by 
Apple - including how they manage us getting past the passcode lock screen 
without touching the screen! Folk with macular degeneration and Parkinson’s 
would really benefit! I think I’ll sign up for beta testing next month in order 
to give feedback. 
Cheers
Harry

On 10 Jun 2019, at 14:43, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:




THIS will be a great addition to Apple's accessibility. 
The link below is for a youtube video from Apple: 
https://youtu.be/aqoXFCCTfm4 
<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FaqoXFCCTfm4=02%7C01%7C%7C16f7f01b49bb41c938ce08d6eda8d418%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636957706691872958=Gje2Wkxdf5A2ElSxh3LajE8PGJxYLfh7MrWWBPhROr0%3D=0>
 






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RE: Greater Voice Controls coming in iOS and Mac 13

2019-06-11 Thread Carolyn Arnold 
Of course, it's a sighted world. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kenny
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 3:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Greater Voice Controls coming in iOS and Mac 13

I don't know. Hope Apple isn't planning on slowly replacing VoiceOver with this 
VoiceControl? I can't realistically see how both features can co-exist, and 
work optimally.




It seems like they're trying to extend the accessibility of VoiceOver 
(Benefited only the visually impaired community) into something that can 
benefit allot more users (Mainly sighted.)




Guess only time will tell how this turns out.





On 6/10/2019 10:05 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone wrote:


It will be really interesting to see how well voice control works with 
VoiceOver, if it does  because that combination has never been mentioned by 
Apple - including how they manage us getting past the passcode lock screen 
without touching the screen! Folk with macular degeneration and Parkinson’s 
would really benefit! I think I’ll sign up for beta testing next month in order 
to give feedback. 
Cheers
Harry

On 10 Jun 2019, at 14:43, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:




THIS will be a great addition to Apple's accessibility. 
The link below is for a youtube video from Apple: 
https://youtu.be/aqoXFCCTfm4 
<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FaqoXFCCTfm4=02%7C01%7C%7C16f7f01b49bb41c938ce08d6eda8d418%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636957706691872958=Gje2Wkxdf5A2ElSxh3LajE8PGJxYLfh7MrWWBPhROr0%3D=0>
 






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Re: Greater Voice Controls coming in iOS and Mac 13

2019-06-11 Thread Wayne Merritt 
To be clear: VoiceOver is primarily for the blind and low vision
communities, whereas Voice control is for the motor or mobilities
disability community. We may benefit from Voice Control as some have
stated, but we're not the target audience. Just like VoiceOver is not
meant for someone who uses a switch control to interact with iOS. For
instance, someone in a wheelchair who may have limited use of their
limbs.

Wayne

On 6/11/19, Kenny  wrote:
> I don't know. Hope Apple isn't planning on slowly replacing VoiceOver
> with this VoiceControl? I can't realistically see how both features can
> co-exist, and work optimally.
>
>
> It seems like they're trying to extend the accessibility of VoiceOver
> (Benefited only the visually impaired community) into something that can
> benefit allot more users (Mainly sighted.)
>
>
> Guess only time will tell how this turns out.
>
>
> On 6/10/2019 10:05 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone wrote:
>> It will be really interesting to see how well voice control works with
>> VoiceOver, if it does  because that combination has never been
>> mentioned by Apple - including how they manage us getting past the
>> passcode lock screen without touching the screen! Folk with macular
>> degeneration and Parkinson’s would really benefit! I think I’ll sign
>> up for beta testing next month in order to give feedback.
>> Cheers
>> Harry
>>
>> On 10 Jun 2019, at 14:43, Richard Turner > > wrote:
>>

 THIS will be a great addition to Apple's accessibility. The link
 below is for a youtube video from Apple:
 https://youtu.be/aqoXFCCTfm4
 


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Re: Greater Voice Controls coming in iOS and Mac 13

2019-06-11 Thread Kenny 
I don't know. Hope Apple isn't planning on slowly replacing VoiceOver 
with this VoiceControl? I can't realistically see how both features can 
co-exist, and work optimally.



It seems like they're trying to extend the accessibility of VoiceOver 
(Benefited only the visually impaired community) into something that can 
benefit allot more users (Mainly sighted.)



Guess only time will tell how this turns out.


On 6/10/2019 10:05 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone wrote:
It will be really interesting to see how well voice control works with 
VoiceOver, if it does  because that combination has never been 
mentioned by Apple - including how they manage us getting past the 
passcode lock screen without touching the screen! Folk with macular 
degeneration and Parkinson’s would really benefit! I think I’ll sign 
up for beta testing next month in order to give feedback.

Cheers
Harry

On 10 Jun 2019, at 14:43, Richard Turner > wrote:




THIS will be a great addition to Apple's accessibility. The link 
below is for a youtube video from Apple:
https://youtu.be/aqoXFCCTfm4 




Richard



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Re: Greater Voice Controls coming in iOS and Mac 13

2019-06-10 Thread Marie 
I  know several people who could really benefit from this due to mobility 
issues so I think it is great.
Marie


From: Michael Feir 
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Subject: Re: Greater Voice Controls coming in iOS and Mac 13

It will work for the iPHONE but won't be very useable with Voiceover right 
away. 

On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 2:49 PM Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:

  That youtube video was pretty neat even if it doesn't work for the
  iPhone wright away.

  On 6/10/19, Maria Reyes  wrote:
  > No it's also for the iPhone.
  >
  > Want to join my WhatsApp group, VIP Apple Users? Email me privately with
  > your contact information and I will happily add you.
  > mreyes5...@gmail.com
  >
  >> On Jun 10, 2019, at 2:42 PM, Marie N.  wrote:
  >>
  >> Am I correct in thinking this is for the Mac only and not the IPhone?
  >>
  >>
  >> From: Richard Turner
  >> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 6:43 AM
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  >> Subject: Greater Voice Controls coming in iOS and Mac 13
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Re: Greater Voice Controls coming in iOS and Mac 13

2019-06-10 Thread Michael Feir 
It will work for the iPHONE but won't be very useable with VoiceOver right
away.

On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 2:49 PM Joshua Hendrickson 
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> >>
> >>
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Re: Greater Voice Controls coming in iOS and Mac 13

2019-06-10 Thread Joshua Hendrickson 
That youtube video was pretty neat even if it doesn't work for the
iPhone wright away.

On 6/10/19, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> No it's also for the iPhone.
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>> On Jun 10, 2019, at 2:42 PM, Marie N.  wrote:
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>> Am I correct in thinking this is for the Mac only and not the IPhone?
>>
>>
>> From: Richard Turner
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>> Subject: Greater Voice Controls coming in iOS and Mac 13
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Re: Greater Voice Controls coming in iOS and Mac 13

2019-06-10 Thread Maria Reyes 
No it's also for the iPhone.

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> On Jun 10, 2019, at 2:42 PM, Marie N.  wrote:
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> Am I correct in thinking this is for the Mac only and not the IPhone?
>  
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Re: Greater Voice Controls coming in iOS and Mac 13

2019-06-10 Thread Marie N. 
Am I correct in thinking this is for the Mac only and not the IPhone?


From: Richard Turner 
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  THIS will be a great addition to Apple's accessibility. The link below is for 
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Re: Greater Voice Controls coming in iOS and Mac 13

2019-06-10 Thread Mary Otten 
But the grid is going to help people who can’t actually touch the screen. They 
will be able to see the numbers and just ask voice control to interact with 
such and such a number command or whatever. And that grid should also mean that 
they’re going to have labels or they could have labels at least, on some of the 
stuff that now that was not labeled. If you’re interested, check out Apple vis 
extra number 76 I believe it is. It’s definitely worth a listen.
Mary


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> headphones part, just concerned about how dependent it is on the trid.
> If it works as well as they say, you shouldn't need the grid, but the
> video definitely was mostly about that.
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>> there's the dictation side of things. Improvements to speech recognition
>> needed to make Voice Control work well are going to help everyone who uses
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Re: Greater Voice Controls coming in iOS and Mac 13

2019-06-10 Thread Deb Cook Lewis 
I think they're relying a lot on the grid though and that won't be
acessible ot us, or I imagine it technically is but by the time you
try to figure out the assignments, what will be the point? So I hope
the feature works well enough without the grid. I'm OK about the
headphones part, just concerned about how dependent it is on the trid.
If it works as well as they say, you shouldn't need the grid, but the
video definitely was mostly about that.

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> needed to make Voice Control work well are going to help everyone who uses
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Re: Greater Voice Controls coming in iOS and Mac 13

2019-06-10 Thread Michael Feir 
Even if we can't use Voice Control right away, we'll stil benefit from it
indirectly. First of all, developers need to label their apps using the
accessibility AP so they can work properly with Voice Control. VoiceOver
will also be able to use these labels so that's a big win for us. And then,
there's the dictation side of things. Improvements to speech recognition
needed to make Voice Control work well are going to help everyone who uses
dictation.

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Re: Greater Voice Controls coming in iOS and Mac 13

2019-06-10 Thread Holly 
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Re: Greater Voice Controls coming in iOS and Mac 13

2019-06-10 Thread Mary Otten 
I heard an interview with a couple of Accessibility folk from Apple, who said 
that at least for now, unless you use headphones, you’re not going to be able 
to do much with voice control. I suppose that makes sense, because voiceover 
talking to us would probably interfere with voice control. I still think it’s a 
great feature, and I hope they can develop it in the future where it would work 
better for us as well.


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> It will be really interesting to see how well voice control works with 
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> without touching the screen! Folk with macular degeneration and Parkinson’s 
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> order to give feedback. 
> Cheers
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Re: Greater Voice Controls coming in iOS and Mac 13

2019-06-10 Thread 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
It will be really interesting to see how well voice control works with 
VoiceOver, if it does  because that combination has never been mentioned by 
Apple - including how they manage us getting past the passcode lock screen 
without touching the screen! Folk with macular degeneration and Parkinson’s 
would really benefit! I think I’ll sign up for beta testing next month in order 
to give feedback. 
Cheers
Harry

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