Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

[Anthony Vece]

I remember when leaving Bluetooth turned on would deplete the battery much 
quicker.
However; it works just fine now and, I never turned Bluetooth off.

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On Sep 15, 2019, at 3:49 PM, William Green  wrote:
> 
> Just a quick one, I’ve read that having Bluetooth and WiFi enabled or your 
> device whilst using maps can vastly improve location services as the iPhone 
> can communicate with local WiFi networks and Bluetooth beacons to more 
> accurately find your position. 
> 
> It will not work in every situation however you may find better results by 
> leaving them switched on in control centre.
> 
> Will 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 15 Sep 2019, at 20:32, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I'm not sure if you can do it with apps, but you can do it with the Victor 
>> Reader Trek.
>> You might be able to do it with Nearby Explorer or Seeing Eye GPS.
>>  
>> Andy
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 9:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare
>> 
>> and it begs a question here, because we both have Blind Square and like it. 
>> We live in a mobile home park, and it's absolutely crazy-making finding our 
>> way from point A to point Be in here. We wish to find an app that will allow 
>> us to drop bread crumbs so we know absolutely where we are at every given 
>> minute. It would be rather embarrassing to carry a cake to the wrong 
>> neighbor, or appear somewhere we should not, all ready to swim. The 
>> embarrassing scenario possibilities are endless. We've got lots of programs 
>> on our phones, Curt has his Trek, but we haven't yet found just the right 
>> thing. *sigh*(
>> 
>> Karen
>> At 08:35 AM 9/15/2019, you wrote:
>>> Can you set up as a point of interest areas otherwise not found on the maps 
>>>  in any of the free apps? Such as a specific building on a university 
>>> campus ?
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner < richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> For those who do not want to pay $39.99 for Blind Square, take a look at 
>>>> the free Lazarillo app. 
>>>> It does not have the depth of features that Blind Square has; but it is a 
>>>> good orientation app.
>>>> If you want a walking route, you can get that from within Lazarillo.
>>>> If you want a driving route, it can launch Google or Apple Maps I believe 
>>>> and run in the background to tell you about streets or Points Of Interest.
>>>> I turn off explore mode when first launching or it continues to talk about 
>>>> places around you which interrupts hearing what you want in learning the 
>>>> app.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Richard 
>>>> 
>>>> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
>>>> list.
>>>>  
>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>>>  
>>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
>>>> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>>>  
>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
>>>> --- 
>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>>> "VIPhone" group.
>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B78D0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com
>>>>  .
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>>>  
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
>>>

Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

['Dan' via VIPhone]

Hello,
What3Words isn't really accessible for VO users. It has a lot of unlabeled 
buttons and a few other places that don't appear to be accessible. Just for the 
heck of it, I gave it a try and promptly removed it.


Danny

> On Sep 16, 2019, at 8:01 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sandy,
>  
> The fact that What3Words uses 5 foot squares does not mean you get that 
> accuracy from your iPhone. I don’t think I have seen anything better than 3 
> metres which is about 10 feet. When I had my iPhone 4S in 2011 I at one point 
> bought a Garmin GPS receiver which was supposed to be better and even then 3 
> metres was the best I ever got under open skies. In cities between tall 
> buildings, under heavy cloud cover or under trees it maybe less and inside 
> buildings it is most likely even worse. It is my understanding that this also 
> is not because GPS isn’t capable of better accuracy but because the GPS 
> system is owned by the US military and they deliberately factor in a small 
> amount of inaccuracy for tactical reasons I assume.
> Glonas which is the Russian satellite network and which the iPhone also uses 
> I assume is no different, but utilizing both systems does help in terms of 
> how many satellites the receiver can lock on to and this in turn provides a 
> better and more reliable signal..
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 1:10 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare
>  
> Just a thought here,
>  
> There is an app called "what3words" which is free and boasts a 5 foot gps 
> accuracy. It labels the whole of the land surface of the world, generates via 
> computer, three words, rather than numbers, for every 3 metre square, or 10 
> foot square approx. It will link to BlindSquare and other gps apps, so, try 
> it, it might just give you that bit more fine tuning.
>  
> Good luck with the cake delivery! Sandy. t b
> 
> Sent from The dark side of the moon
> 
> On 15 Sep 2019, at 18:55, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> and it begs a question here, because we both have Blind Square and like it. 
> We live in a mobile home park, and it's absolutely crazy-making finding our 
> way from point A to point Be in here. We wish to find an app that will allow 
> us to drop bread crumbs so we know absolutely where we are at every given 
> minute. It would be rather embarrassing to carry a cake to the wrong 
> neighbor, or appear somewhere we should not, all ready to swim. The 
> embarrassing scenario possibilities are endless. We've got lots of programs 
> on our phones, Curt has his Trek, but we haven't yet found just the right 
> thing. *sigh*(
> 
> Karen
> At 08:35 AM 9/15/2019, you wrote:
> 
> Can you set up as a point of interest areas otherwise not found on the maps  
> in any of the free apps? Such as a specific building on a university campus ?
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner < richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> For those who do not want to pay $39.99 for Blind Square, take a look at the 
> free Lazarillo app. 
> It does not have the depth of features that Blind Square has; but it is a 
> good orientation app.
> If you want a walking route, you can get that from within Lazarillo.
> If you want a driving route, it can launch Google or Apple Maps I believe and 
> run in the background to tell you about streets or Points Of Interest.
> I turn off explore mode when first launching or it continues to talk about 
> places around you which interrupts hearing what you want in learning the app.
> 
> 
> Richard 
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>  
> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>  
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "VIPhone" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B

RE: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Sandy,

The fact that What3Words uses 5 foot squares does not mean you get that 
accuracy from your iPhone. I don’t think I have seen anything better than 3 
metres which is about 10 feet. When I had my iPhone 4S in 2011 I at one point 
bought a Garmin GPS receiver which was supposed to be better and even then 3 
metres was the best I ever got under open skies. In cities between tall 
buildings, under heavy cloud cover or under trees it maybe less and inside 
buildings it is most likely even worse. It is my understanding that this also 
is not because GPS isn’t capable of better accuracy but because the GPS system 
is owned by the US military and they deliberately factor in a small amount of 
inaccuracy for tactical reasons I assume.
Glonas which is the Russian satellite network and which the iPhone also uses I 
assume is no different, but utilizing both systems does help in terms of how 
many satellites the receiver can lock on to and this in turn provides a better 
and more reliable signal..

Regards,
Sieghard

From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 1:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

Just a thought here,

There is an app called "what3words" which is free and boasts a 5 foot gps 
accuracy. It labels the whole of the land surface of the world, generates via 
computer, three words, rather than numbers, for every 3 metre square, or 10 
foot square approx. It will link to BlindSquare and other gps apps, so, try it, 
it might just give you that bit more fine tuning.

Good luck with the cake delivery! Sandy. t b
Sent from The dark side of the moon

On 15 Sep 2019, at 18:55, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
and it begs a question here, because we both have Blind Square and like it. We 
live in a mobile home park, and it's absolutely crazy-making finding our way 
from point A to point Be in here. We wish to find an app that will allow us to 
drop bread crumbs so we know absolutely where we are at every given minute. It 
would be rather embarrassing to carry a cake to the wrong neighbor, or appear 
somewhere we should not, all ready to swim. The embarrassing scenario 
possibilities are endless. We've got lots of programs on our phones, Curt has 
his Trek, but we haven't yet found just the right thing. *sigh*(

Karen
At 08:35 AM 9/15/2019, you wrote:

Can you set up as a point of interest areas otherwise not found on the maps  in 
any of the free apps? Such as a specific building on a university campus ?


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner < 
richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


For those who do not want to pay $39.99 for Blind Square, take a look at the 
free Lazarillo app.
It does not have the depth of features that Blind Square has; but it is a good 
orientation app.
If you want a walking route, you can get that from within Lazarillo.
If you want a driving route, it can launch Google or Apple Maps I believe and 
run in the background to tell you about streets or Points Of Interest.
I turn off explore mode when first launching or it continues to talk about 
places around you which interrupts hearing what you want in learning the app.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.

--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B78D0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B78D0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>
 .

--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu&l

Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Just a thought here,

There is an app called "what3words" which is free and boasts a 5 foot gps 
accuracy. It labels the whole of the land surface of the world, generates via 
computer, three words, rather than numbers, for every 3 metre square, or 10 
foot square approx. It will link to BlindSquare and other gps apps, so, try it, 
it might just give you that bit more fine tuning.

Good luck with the cake delivery! Sandy. t b

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 15 Sep 2019, at 18:55, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> and it begs a question here, because we both have Blind Square and like it. 
> We live in a mobile home park, and it's absolutely crazy-making finding our 
> way from point A to point Be in here. We wish to find an app that will allow 
> us to drop bread crumbs so we know absolutely where we are at every given 
> minute. It would be rather embarrassing to carry a cake to the wrong 
> neighbor, or appear somewhere we should not, all ready to swim. The 
> embarrassing scenario possibilities are endless. We've got lots of programs 
> on our phones, Curt has his Trek, but we haven't yet found just the right 
> thing. *sigh*(
> 
> Karen
> At 08:35 AM 9/15/2019, you wrote:
>> Can you set up as a point of interest areas otherwise not found on the maps  
>> in any of the free apps? Such as a specific building on a university campus ?
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner < richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> For those who do not want to pay $39.99 for Blind Square, take a look at 
>>> the free Lazarillo app. 
>>> It does not have the depth of features that Blind Square has; but it is a 
>>> good orientation app.
>>> If you want a walking route, you can get that from within Lazarillo.
>>> If you want a driving route, it can launch Google or Apple Maps I believe 
>>> and run in the background to tell you about streets or Points Of Interest.
>>> I turn off explore mode when first launching or it continues to talk about 
>>> places around you which interrupts hearing what you want in learning the 
>>> app.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard 
>>> 
>>> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>>>  
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
>>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>>  
>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
>>> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>>  
>>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
>>> --- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "VIPhone" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B78D0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com
>>>  .
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>>  
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>  
>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
>> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>  
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
>> --- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "VIPhone" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/DC90AD4D-40CA-4A09-A47A-C5F61C7B9D5F%40gmail.com
>>  .
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>  
> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>  
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "VIPhone" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop 

Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

['Karen Delzer' via VIPhone]

Worth a look! :)

Karen
At 08:46 PM 9/15/2019, you wrote:



Hello,

I think that Loadstone would be the good 
solution. Loadstone GPS for IOS is an app which 
enables blind pedestrians to "go blindly where 
everyone sighted has gone before." What sets 
Loadstone apart from other GPS apps for the blind?


no data plan required
available in multiple languages
create, store, and share your own navigation waypoints with others

More information on: 
<http://www.loadstone-gps.com>http://www.loadstone-gps.com


Best,

Gradimir


From: <mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>Andy Barac
co
To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com
Send: nedelja, 15. septembar 2019 21:38
Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

For karen's use case I think that aIra would be the best solution.
You can sign up for a free account which 
entitles you to free short calls.  This would 
probably be all you need if you are fairly close to your destination.


Andy

- Original Message -
From: <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>Richard Turner
To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 10:36 AM
Subject: RE: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

I think you are thinking of the Galileo 
Satellite system, which is now in Europe and may 
spread world wide in a year or two if the predictions come to pass.








Richard



🖖 Live long and prosper





Check out my web site at: <http://www.turner42.com>www.turner42.com



From: 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com 
<<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com> 
On Behalf Of Yohandy Rodriguez

Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare



Yeah gps isn't too accurate. I was reading an 
article a while back about some new gps 
technology in the works that would give you 
accuracy within 3 feet, which is incredible. 
can't remember what the article was though 
hahaha. Have you guys tried an app called Clew? 
That's C L E W. uses AR for navigation. very interesting.




On 9/15/2019 1:02 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Given the accuracy, or lack there of, with GPS, 
you are going to be 50 to 100 feet off.


If you have perfect GPS satellite access, you might get within 30 feet.



That being said, have you tried dropping 
favorites with BlindSquare or Lazarillo?




They both can do that.

But without physical landmarks, it would be hard to rely on GPS only.



Richard



🖖 Live long and prosper





Check out my web site at: 
<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7Cb26bb8d5c5944fe1cbdb08d73a003e60%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C63704164500318=KVCYa7xHLrQpODsblO0oFpNyi29Iht%2FuBhOGprJaY5U%3D=0>www.turner42.com




From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 9:55 AM
To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare



and it begs a question here, because we both 
have Blind Square and like it. We live in a 
mobile home park, and it's absolutely 
crazy-making finding our way from point A to 
point Be in here. We wish to find an app that 
will allow us to drop bread crumbs so we know 
absolutely where we are at every given minute. 
It would be rather embarrassing to carry a cake 
to the wrong neighbor, or appear somewhere we 
should not, all ready to swim. The embarrassing 
scenario possibilities are endless. We've got 
lots of programs on our phones, Curt has his 
Trek, but we haven't yet found just the right thing. *sigh*(


Karen
At 08:35 AM 9/15/2019, you wrote:


Can you set up as a point of interest areas 
otherwise not found on the maps  in any of the 
free apps? Such as a specific building on a university campus ?



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner 
<<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:




For those who do not want to pay $39.99 for 
Blind Square, take a look at the free Lazarillo app.
It does not have the depth of features that 
Blind Square has; but it is a good orientation app.

If you want a walking route, you can get that from within Lazarillo.
If you want a driving route, it can launch 
Google or Apple Maps I believe and run in the 
background to tell you about streets or Points Of Interest.
I turn off explore mode when first launching or 
it continues to talk about places around you 
which interrupts hearing what you want in learning the app.



Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.

--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the 
running of this list, or if you feel that a 
member's post is inappropriate, please contact 
the owners or moderators directly rather than p

Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

[Gradimir Kragić]

Hello,

I think that Loadstone would be the good solution. Loadstone GPS for IOS is an 
app which enables blind pedestrians to "go blindly where everyone sighted has 
gone before." What sets Loadstone apart from other GPS apps for the blind?

no data plan required
available in multiple languages
create, store, and share your own navigation waypoints with others

More information on: http://www.loadstone-gps.com

Best,

Gradimir


  From: Andy Barac
  co 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Send: nedelja, 15. septembar 2019 21:38
  Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare


  For karen's use case I think that aIra would be the best solution.
  You can sign up for a free account which entitles you to free short calls.  
This would probably be all you need if you are fairly close to your destination.

  Andy

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 10:36 AM
    Subject: RE: Lazarillo or BlindSquare


I think you are thinking of the Galileo Satellite system, which is now in 
Europe and may spread world wide in a year or two if the predictions come to 
pass.

 

 

 

Richard

 

 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Yohandy Rodriguez
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

 

Yeah gps isn't too accurate. I was reading an article a while back about 
some new gps technology in the works that would give you accuracy within 3 
feet, which is incredible. can't remember what the article was though hahaha. 
Have you guys tried an app called Clew? That's C L E W. uses AR for navigation. 
very interesting.

 

On 9/15/2019 1:02 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

  Given the accuracy, or lack there of, with GPS, you are going to be 50 to 
100 feet off.

  If you have perfect GPS satellite access, you might get within 30 feet.

   

  That being said, have you tried dropping favorites with BlindSquare or 
Lazarillo?

   

  They both can do that.

  But without physical landmarks, it would be hard to rely on GPS only.

   

  Richard

   

   Live long and prosper

   

   

  Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

   

  From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone  
  Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 9:55 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

   

  and it begs a question here, because we both have Blind Square and like 
it. We live in a mobile home park, and it's absolutely crazy-making finding our 
way from point A to point Be in here. We wish to find an app that will allow us 
to drop bread crumbs so we know absolutely where we are at every given minute. 
It would be rather embarrassing to carry a cake to the wrong neighbor, or 
appear somewhere we should not, all ready to swim. The embarrassing scenario 
possibilities are endless. We've got lots of programs on our phones, Curt has 
his Trek, but we haven't yet found just the right thing. *sigh*(

  Karen
  At 08:35 AM 9/15/2019, you wrote:




Can you set up as a point of interest areas otherwise not found on the 
maps  in any of the free apps? Such as a specific building on a university 
campus ?
 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner < 
richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:





  For those who do not want to pay $39.99 for Blind Square, take a look 
at the free Lazarillo app. 
  It does not have the depth of features that Blind Square has; but it 
is a good orientation app.
  If you want a walking route, you can get that from within Lazarillo.
  If you want a driving route, it can launch Google or Apple Maps I 
believe and run in the background to tell you about streets or Points Of 
Interest.
  I turn off explore mode when first launching or it continues to talk 
about places around you which interrupts hearing what you want in learning the 
app.


  Richard 

  Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 

  -- 
  The following information is important for all members of the V 
iPhone list.
   
  If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
   
  Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com
   
  The archives for this list can be searched at:
  http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
  --- 
  You recei

Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

['Karen Delzer' via VIPhone]

Maybe so. Curt has a Trek, so maybe there's a way 
to get them all working together. Either that, or we'll just go starkers!


Karen


At 12:49 PM 9/15/2019, you wrote:
Just a quick one, I’ve read that having 
Bluetooth and WiFi enabled or your device whilst 
using maps can vastly improve location services 
as the iPhone can communicate with local WiFi 
networks and Bluetooth beacons to more accurately find your position.


It will not work in every situation however you 
may find better results by leaving them switched on in control centre.


Will

Sent from my iPhone


On 15 Sep 2019, at 20:32, Andy Baracco  wrote:


I'm not sure if you can do it with apps, but 
you can do it with the Victor Reader Trek.

You might be able to do it with Nearby Explorer or Seeing Eye GPS.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone
To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

and it begs a question here, because we both 
have Blind Square and like it. We live in a 
mobile home park, and it's absolutely 
crazy-making finding our way from point A to 
point Be in here. We wish to find an app that 
will allow us to drop bread crumbs so we know 
absolutely where we are at every given minute. 
It would be rather embarrassing to carry a cake 
to the wrong neighbor, or appear somewhere we 
should not, all ready to swim. The embarrassing 
scenario possibilities are endless. We've got 
lots of programs on our phones, Curt has his 
Trek, but we haven't yet found just the right thing. *sigh*(


Karen
At 08:35 AM 9/15/2019, you wrote:
Can you set up as a point of interest areas 
otherwise not found on the maps  in any of the 
free apps? Such as a specific building on a university campus ?



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner 
<<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:


For those who do not want to pay $39.99 for 
Blind Square, take a look at the free Lazarillo app.
It does not have the depth of features that 
Blind Square has; but it is a good orientation app.

If you want a walking route, you can get that from within Lazarillo.
If you want a driving route, it can launch 
Google or Apple Maps I believe and run in the 
background to tell you about streets or Points Of Interest.
I turn off explore mode when first launching 
or it continues to talk about places around 
you which interrupts hearing what you want in learning the app.



Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.

--
The following information is important for 
all members of the V iPhone list.


If you have any questions or concerns about 
the running of this list, or if you feel that 
a member's post is inappropriate, please 
contact the owners or moderators directly 
rather than posting on the list itself.


Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. 
Mark can be reached at: 
<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>mk...@ucla.edu. Your 
list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara 
at <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>caraqu...@caraquinn.com


The archives for this list can be searched at:
<http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/>http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are 
subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop 
receiving emails from it, send an email to 
<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B78D0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B78D0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com 
.


--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about 
the running of this list, or if you feel that 
a member's post is inappropriate, please 
contact the owners or moderators directly 
rather than posting on the list itself.


Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. 
Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your 
list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com


The archives for this list can be searched at:
<http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/>http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are 
subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop 
receiving emails from it, send an email to 
<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/DC90AD4D-40CA-4A09

Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

['Karen Delzer' via VIPhone]

It's worth a thought, Andy, but that five minutes 
goes pretty fast. :)  Might work reasonably well, 
though, if we get really turned around.


Karen

At 12:38 PM 9/15/2019, you wrote:

For karen's use case I think that aIra would be the best solution.
You can sign up for a free account which 
entitles you to free short calls.  This would 
probably be all you need if you are fairly close to your destination.


Andy

- Original Message -
From: <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>Richard Turner
To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 10:36 AM
Subject: RE: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

I think you are thinking of the Galileo 
Satellite system, which is now in Europe and may 
spread world wide in a year or two if the predictions come to pass.








Richard



🖖 Live long and prosper





Check out my web site at: <http://www.turner42.com>www.turner42.com



From: 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com 
<<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com> 
On Behalf Of Yohandy Rodriguez

Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare



Yeah gps isn't too accurate. I was reading an 
article a while back about some new gps 
technology in the works that would give you 
accuracy within 3 feet, which is incredible. 
can't remember what the article was though 
hahaha. Have you guys tried an app called Clew? 
That's C L E W. uses AR for navigation. very interesting.




On 9/15/2019 1:02 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Given the accuracy, or lack there of, with GPS, 
you are going to be 50 to 100 feet off.


If you have perfect GPS satellite access, you might get within 30 feet.



That being said, have you tried dropping 
favorites with BlindSquare or Lazarillo?




They both can do that.

But without physical landmarks, it would be hard to rely on GPS only.



Richard



🖖 Live long and prosper





Check out my web site at: 
<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7Cb26bb8d5c5944fe1cbdb08d73a003e60%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C63704164500318=KVCYa7xHLrQpODsblO0oFpNyi29Iht%2FuBhOGprJaY5U%3D=0>www.turner42.com




From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 9:55 AM
To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare



and it begs a question here, because we both 
have Blind Square and like it. We live in a 
mobile home park, and it's absolutely 
crazy-making finding our way from point A to 
point Be in here. We wish to find an app that 
will allow us to drop bread crumbs so we know 
absolutely where we are at every given minute. 
It would be rather embarrassing to carry a cake 
to the wrong neighbor, or appear somewhere we 
should not, all ready to swim. The embarrassing 
scenario possibilities are endless. We've got 
lots of programs on our phones, Curt has his 
Trek, but we haven't yet found just the right thing. *sigh*(


Karen
At 08:35 AM 9/15/2019, you wrote:


Can you set up as a point of interest areas 
otherwise not found on the maps  in any of the 
free apps? Such as a specific building on a university campus ?



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner 
<<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:




For those who do not want to pay $39.99 for 
Blind Square, take a look at the free Lazarillo app.
It does not have the depth of features that 
Blind Square has; but it is a good orientation app.

If you want a walking route, you can get that from within Lazarillo.
If you want a driving route, it can launch 
Google or Apple Maps I believe and run in the 
background to tell you about streets or Points Of Interest.
I turn off explore mode when first launching or 
it continues to talk about places around you 
which interrupts hearing what you want in learning the app.



Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.

--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the 
running of this list, or if you feel that a 
member's post is inappropriate, please contact 
the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.


Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. 
Mark can be reached at: 
<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>mk...@ucla.edu. Your list 
owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>caraqu...@caraquinn.com


The archives for this list can be searched at:
<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7Cb26bb8d5c5944fe1cbdb08d73a003e60%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C63704164500318=TnjokzOYUsVcpxfF55BA5w

Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

[William Green]

Just a quick one, I’ve read that having Bluetooth and WiFi enabled or your 
device whilst using maps can vastly improve location services as the iPhone can 
communicate with local WiFi networks and Bluetooth beacons to more accurately 
find your position. 

It will not work in every situation however you may find better results by 
leaving them switched on in control centre.

Will 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 15 Sep 2019, at 20:32, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm not sure if you can do it with apps, but you can do it with the Victor 
> Reader Trek.
> You might be able to do it with Nearby Explorer or Seeing Eye GPS.
>  
> Andy
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 9:55 AM
> Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare
> 
> and it begs a question here, because we both have Blind Square and like it. 
> We live in a mobile home park, and it's absolutely crazy-making finding our 
> way from point A to point Be in here. We wish to find an app that will allow 
> us to drop bread crumbs so we know absolutely where we are at every given 
> minute. It would be rather embarrassing to carry a cake to the wrong 
> neighbor, or appear somewhere we should not, all ready to swim. The 
> embarrassing scenario possibilities are endless. We've got lots of programs 
> on our phones, Curt has his Trek, but we haven't yet found just the right 
> thing. *sigh*(
> 
> Karen
> At 08:35 AM 9/15/2019, you wrote:
>> Can you set up as a point of interest areas otherwise not found on the maps  
>> in any of the free apps? Such as a specific building on a university campus ?
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner < richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> For those who do not want to pay $39.99 for Blind Square, take a look at 
>>> the free Lazarillo app. 
>>> It does not have the depth of features that Blind Square has; but it is a 
>>> good orientation app.
>>> If you want a walking route, you can get that from within Lazarillo.
>>> If you want a driving route, it can launch Google or Apple Maps I believe 
>>> and run in the background to tell you about streets or Points Of Interest.
>>> I turn off explore mode when first launching or it continues to talk about 
>>> places around you which interrupts hearing what you want in learning the 
>>> app.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard 
>>> 
>>> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>>>  
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
>>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>>  
>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
>>> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>>  
>>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
>>> --- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "VIPhone" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B78D0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com
>>>  .
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>>  
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>  
>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
>> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>  
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
>> --- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "VIPhone" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups

Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

[Andy Baracco]

For karen's use case I think that aIra would be the best solution.
You can sign up for a free account which entitles you to free short calls.  
This would probably be all you need if you are fairly close to your destination.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 10:36 AM
  Subject: RE: Lazarillo or BlindSquare


  I think you are thinking of the Galileo Satellite system, which is now in 
Europe and may spread world wide in a year or two if the predictions come to 
pass.

   

   

   

  Richard

   

   Live long and prosper

   

   

  Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Yohandy Rodriguez
  Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 10:15 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

   

  Yeah gps isn't too accurate. I was reading an article a while back about some 
new gps technology in the works that would give you accuracy within 3 feet, 
which is incredible. can't remember what the article was though hahaha. Have 
you guys tried an app called Clew? That's C L E W. uses AR for navigation. very 
interesting.

   

  On 9/15/2019 1:02 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Given the accuracy, or lack there of, with GPS, you are going to be 50 to 
100 feet off.

If you have perfect GPS satellite access, you might get within 30 feet.

 

That being said, have you tried dropping favorites with BlindSquare or 
Lazarillo?

 

They both can do that.

But without physical landmarks, it would be hard to rely on GPS only.

 

Richard

 

 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 9:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

 

and it begs a question here, because we both have Blind Square and like it. 
We live in a mobile home park, and it's absolutely crazy-making finding our way 
from point A to point Be in here. We wish to find an app that will allow us to 
drop bread crumbs so we know absolutely where we are at every given minute. It 
would be rather embarrassing to carry a cake to the wrong neighbor, or appear 
somewhere we should not, all ready to swim. The embarrassing scenario 
possibilities are endless. We've got lots of programs on our phones, Curt has 
his Trek, but we haven't yet found just the right thing. *sigh*(

Karen
At 08:35 AM 9/15/2019, you wrote:




  Can you set up as a point of interest areas otherwise not found on the 
maps  in any of the free apps? Such as a specific building on a university 
campus ?
   

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner < 
richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:





For those who do not want to pay $39.99 for Blind Square, take a look 
at the free Lazarillo app. 
It does not have the depth of features that Blind Square has; but it is 
a good orientation app.
If you want a walking route, you can get that from within Lazarillo.
If you want a driving route, it can launch Google or Apple Maps I 
believe and run in the background to tell you about streets or Points Of 
Interest.
I turn off explore mode when first launching or it continues to talk 
about places around you which interrupts hearing what you want in learning the 
app.


Richard 

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B78D0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com
 .


  -- 
  The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
list.
   
  If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

[Andy Baracco]

I'm not sure if you can do it with apps, but you can do it with the Victor 
Reader Trek.
You might be able to do it with Nearby Explorer or Seeing Eye GPS.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 9:55 AM
  Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare


  and it begs a question here, because we both have Blind Square and like it. 
We live in a mobile home park, and it's absolutely crazy-making finding our way 
from point A to point Be in here. We wish to find an app that will allow us to 
drop bread crumbs so we know absolutely where we are at every given minute. It 
would be rather embarrassing to carry a cake to the wrong neighbor, or appear 
somewhere we should not, all ready to swim. The embarrassing scenario 
possibilities are endless. We've got lots of programs on our phones, Curt has 
his Trek, but we haven't yet found just the right thing. *sigh*(

  Karen
  At 08:35 AM 9/15/2019, you wrote:

Can you set up as a point of interest areas otherwise not found on the maps 
 in any of the free apps? Such as a specific building on a university campus ?
 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner < richardturne...@outlook.com> 
wrote:


  For those who do not want to pay $39.99 for Blind Square, take a look at 
the free Lazarillo app. 
  It does not have the depth of features that Blind Square has; but it is a 
good orientation app.
  If you want a walking route, you can get that from within Lazarillo.
  If you want a driving route, it can launch Google or Apple Maps I believe 
and run in the background to tell you about streets or Points Of Interest.
  I turn off explore mode when first launching or it continues to talk 
about places around you which interrupts hearing what you want in learning the 
app.


  Richard 

  Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 

  -- 
  The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
list.
   
  If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
   
  Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com
   
  The archives for this list can be searched at:
  http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
  --- 
  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
  To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
  To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B78D0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com
 .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/DC90AD4D-40CA-4A09-A47A-C5F61C7B9D5F%40gmail.com
 .



  -- 
  The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
   
  If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
   
  Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com
   
  The archives for this list can be searched at:
  http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
  --- 
  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
  To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
  To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5d7e6cf0.1c69fb81.77ba7.2e51SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google

Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

Clew is designed for recording routes inside buildings - not street routes, 
unfortunately!
Harry

> On 15 Sep 2019, at 19:39, Dave  wrote:
> 
> Hi, There is a relatively new app called Clew. Spelt C L E W.
>  
> I have heard it is a pretty good app, for remembering routs, and is fully 
> accessable with voiceover.
>  
> I don’t have the app myself, so can’t give more information, but might be 
> worth taking a look at.
>  
> Dave.
>  
>  
> From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 6:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Lazarillo or BlindSquare
>  
> Given the accuracy, or lack there of, with GPS, you are going to be 50 to 100 
> feet off.
> If you have perfect GPS satellite access, you might get within 30 feet.
>  
> That being said, have you tried dropping favorites with BlindSquare or 
> Lazarillo?
>  
> They both can do that.
> But without physical landmarks, it would be hard to rely on GPS only.
>  
> Richard
>  
>  Live long and prosper
>  
>  
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>  
> From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 9:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare
>  
> and it begs a question here, because we both have Blind Square and like it. 
> We live in a mobile home park, and it's absolutely crazy-making finding our 
> way from point A to point Be in here. We wish to find an app that will allow 
> us to drop bread crumbs so we know absolutely where we are at every given 
> minute. It would be rather embarrassing to carry a cake to the wrong 
> neighbor, or appear somewhere we should not, all ready to swim. The 
> embarrassing scenario possibilities are endless. We've got lots of programs 
> on our phones, Curt has his Trek, but we haven't yet found just the right 
> thing. *sigh*(
> 
> Karen
> At 08:35 AM 9/15/2019, you wrote:
> 
> Can you set up as a point of interest areas otherwise not found on the maps  
> in any of the free apps? Such as a specific building on a university campus ?
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner 
> <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> For those who do not want to pay $39.99 for Blind Square, take a look at the 
> free Lazarillo app. 
> It does not have the depth of features that Blind Square has; but it is a 
> good orientation app.
> If you want a walking route, you can get that from within Lazarillo.
> If you want a driving route, it can launch Google or Apple Maps I believe and 
> run in the background to tell you about streets or Points Of Interest.
> I turn off explore mode when first launching or it continues to talk about 
> places around you which interrupts hearing what you want in learning the app.
> 
> 
> Richard 
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>  
> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>  
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "VIPhone" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B78D0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com
>  .
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>  
> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>  
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "VIPhone" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 

Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

[Dave]

Hi, There is a relatively new app called Clew. Spelt C L E W.

I have heard it is a pretty good app, for remembering routs, and is fully 
accessable with voiceover.

I don’t have the app myself, so can’t give more information, but might be worth 
taking a look at.

Dave.


From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 6:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

Given the accuracy, or lack there of, with GPS, you are going to be 50 to 100 
feet off.

If you have perfect GPS satellite access, you might get within 30 feet.

 

That being said, have you tried dropping favorites with BlindSquare or 
Lazarillo?

 

They both can do that.

But without physical landmarks, it would be hard to rely on GPS only.

 


Richard

 

 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 9:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

 

and it begs a question here, because we both have Blind Square and like it. We 
live in a mobile home park, and it's absolutely crazy-making finding our way 
from point A to point Be in here. We wish to find an app that will allow us to 
drop bread crumbs so we know absolutely where we are at every given minute. It 
would be rather embarrassing to carry a cake to the wrong neighbor, or appear 
somewhere we should not, all ready to swim. The embarrassing scenario 
possibilities are endless. We've got lots of programs on our phones, Curt has 
his Trek, but we haven't yet found just the right thing. *sigh*(

Karen
At 08:35 AM 9/15/2019, you wrote:



  Can you set up as a point of interest areas otherwise not found on the maps  
in any of the free apps? Such as a specific building on a university campus ?
   

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner 
<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:




For those who do not want to pay $39.99 for Blind Square, take a look at 
the free Lazarillo app. 
It does not have the depth of features that Blind Square has; but it is a 
good orientation app.
If you want a walking route, you can get that from within Lazarillo.
If you want a driving route, it can launch Google or Apple Maps I believe 
and run in the background to tell you about streets or Points Of Interest.
I turn off explore mode when first launching or it continues to talk about 
places around you which interrupts hearing what you want in learning the app.


Richard 

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B78D0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com
 .


  -- 
  The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
   
  If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
   
  Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com
   
  The archives for this list can be searched at:
  http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
  --- 
  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
  To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
  To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/DC90AD4D-40CA-4A09-A47A-C5F61C7B9D5F%40gmail.com
 .

 

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is 

RE: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

[Richard Turner]

Lazarillo allows you to set favorites.
Since it is free, give it a shot.
Given the limits of gps, it may be as good as anything else.


Richard

 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com/>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
TaraPrakash
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 8:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

Can you set up as a point of interest areas otherwise not found on the maps  in 
any of the free apps? Such as a specific building on a university campus ?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
For those who do not want to pay $39.99 for Blind Square, take a look at the 
free Lazarillo app.
It does not have the depth of features that Blind Square has; but it is a good 
orientation app.
If you want a walking route, you can get that from within Lazarillo.
If you want a driving route, it can launch Google or Apple Maps I believe and 
run in the background to tell you about streets or Points Of Interest.
I turn off explore mode when first launching or it continues to talk about 
places around you which interrupts hearing what you want in learning the app.

Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.

--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C906f71b84ff6464287b308d739f25299%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637041585235999197=udlCPGP9M47SePB%2BWeIezM0p%2F3jPIc6tDt8hDgHxYfg%3D=0>
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B78D0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FMWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B78D0%2540MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com%3Futm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dfooter=02%7C01%7C%7C906f71b84ff6464287b308d739f25299%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637041585236009196=6bdcY7MXr85pQQLDsQEXXBcSLtFduXJD6pSDr27tSVo%3D=0>.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C906f71b84ff6464287b308d739f25299%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637041585236019226=h%2B5ISiorhkDxfIot0o3OIXMqyi6DPcgrl9p60u0e9Ac%3D=0>
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/DC90AD4D-40CA-4A09-A47A-C5F61C7B9D5F%40gmail.com<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FDC90AD4D-40CA-4A09-A47A-C5F61C7B9D5F%2540gmail.com%3Futm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dfooter=02%7C01%7C%7C906f71b84ff6464287b308d739f25299%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637041585236029231=Amui4Ye7Oc8d%2B76ekKlOYhTiEWk2U77BzSEXmD2YT1w%3D=0>.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inap

RE: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

[Debby Hill]

Hi Richard,
Thanks for reminding us about the Lazarillo app. I was just about to write to the list and ask about how to find my current location on my iPhone without having to talk to SIRI. This app seems to make that easy, even if I don't use it's other ⠋⠂⠞⠥⠗⠑⠎⠲ I looked for current location in Apple maps and Google maps, but couldn't find it easily or reliably. I need access to location  information because in the past I have been on cab and Lyft rides that went astray. In  cases like that I like to know where I am without having to speak out loud.
Thanks!
Debby
On Sep 15, 2019 1:36 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

I think you are thinking of the Galileo Satellite system, which is now in Europe and may spread world wide in a year or two if the predictions come to pass.
 
 
 

Richard
 
 Live long and prosper
 
 
Check out my web site at: 
www.turner42.com

 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Yohandy Rodriguez
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare


 
Yeah gps isn't too accurate. I was reading an article a while back about some new gps technology in the works that would give you accuracy within 3 feet, which is incredible. can't remember what the article was though hahaha. Have you guys tried an app called
 Clew? That's C L E W. uses AR for navigation. very interesting.
 

On 9/15/2019 1:02 PM, Richard Turner wrote:


Given the accuracy, or lack there of, with GPS, you are going to be 50 to 100 feet off.
If you have perfect GPS satellite access, you might get within 30 feet.
 
That being said, have you tried dropping favorites with BlindSquare or Lazarillo?
 
They both can do that.
But without physical landmarks, it would be hard to rely on GPS only.
 

Richard
 
 Live long and prosper
 
 
Check out my web site at: 
www.turner42.com

 


From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone 
 
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 9:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare


 
and it begs a question here, because we both have Blind Square and like it. We live in a mobile home park, and it's absolutely crazy-making finding our way from point A to point Be in here. We wish to find an app that will allow us to drop
 bread crumbs so we know absolutely where we are at every given minute. It would be rather embarrassing to carry a cake to the wrong neighbor, or appear somewhere we should not, all ready to swim. The embarrassing scenario possibilities are endless. We've got
 lots of programs on our phones, Curt has his Trek, but we haven't yet found just the right thing. *sigh*(

Karen
At 08:35 AM 9/15/2019, you wrote:




Can you set up as a point of interest areas otherwise not found on the maps  in any of the free apps? Such as a specific building on a university campus ?
 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner < richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:





For those who do not want to pay $39.99 for Blind Square, take a look at the free Lazarillo app.

It does not have the depth of features that Blind Square has; but it is a good orientation app.
If you want a walking route, you can get that from within Lazarillo.
If you want a driving route, it can launch Google or Apple Maps I believe and run in the background to tell you about streets or Points Of Interest.
I turn off explore mode when first launching or it continues to talk about places around you which interrupts hearing what you want in learning the app.


Richard 

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mktay@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraquinn@caraquinn.com
 
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
viphone+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B78D0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com .


-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
 
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mktay@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraquinn@caraquinn.co

RE: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

[Richard Turner]

I think you are thinking of the Galileo Satellite system, which is now in 
Europe and may spread world wide in a year or two if the predictions come to 
pass.



Richard

 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com/>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Yohandy 
Rodriguez
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare


Yeah gps isn't too accurate. I was reading an article a while back about some 
new gps technology in the works that would give you accuracy within 3 feet, 
which is incredible. can't remember what the article was though hahaha. Have 
you guys tried an app called Clew? That's C L E W. uses AR for navigation. very 
interesting.


On 9/15/2019 1:02 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
Given the accuracy, or lack there of, with GPS, you are going to be 50 to 100 
feet off.
If you have perfect GPS satellite access, you might get within 30 feet.

That being said, have you tried dropping favorites with BlindSquare or 
Lazarillo?

They both can do that.
But without physical landmarks, it would be hard to rely on GPS only.

Richard

 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: 
www.turner42.com<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7Cb26bb8d5c5944fe1cbdb08d73a003e60%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C63704164500318=KVCYa7xHLrQpODsblO0oFpNyi29Iht%2FuBhOGprJaY5U%3D=0>

From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 9:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

and it begs a question here, because we both have Blind Square and like it. We 
live in a mobile home park, and it's absolutely crazy-making finding our way 
from point A to point Be in here. We wish to find an app that will allow us to 
drop bread crumbs so we know absolutely where we are at every given minute. It 
would be rather embarrassing to carry a cake to the wrong neighbor, or appear 
somewhere we should not, all ready to swim. The embarrassing scenario 
possibilities are endless. We've got lots of programs on our phones, Curt has 
his Trek, but we haven't yet found just the right thing. *sigh*(

Karen
At 08:35 AM 9/15/2019, you wrote:


Can you set up as a point of interest areas otherwise not found on the maps  in 
any of the free apps? Such as a specific building on a university campus ?


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner < 
richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:



For those who do not want to pay $39.99 for Blind Square, take a look at the 
free Lazarillo app.
It does not have the depth of features that Blind Square has; but it is a good 
orientation app.
If you want a walking route, you can get that from within Lazarillo.
If you want a driving route, it can launch Google or Apple Maps I believe and 
run in the background to tell you about streets or Points Of Interest.
I turn off explore mode when first launching or it continues to talk about 
places around you which interrupts hearing what you want in learning the app.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.

--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7Cb26bb8d5c5944fe1cbdb08d73a003e60%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C63704164500318=TnjokzOYUsVcpxfF55BA5wE11TOgjJhZkKPjEP%2FQics%3D=0>
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B78D0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FMWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B78D0%2540MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com%3Futm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dfooter=02%7C01%7C%7Cb26bb8d5c5944fe1cbdb08d

Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

[Yohandy Rodriguez]

Yeah gps isn't too accurate. I was reading an article a while back about 
some new gps technology in the works that would give you accuracy within 
3 feet, which is incredible. can't remember what the article was though 
hahaha. Have you guys tried an app called Clew? That's C L E W. uses AR 
for navigation. very interesting.



On 9/15/2019 1:02 PM, Richard Turner wrote:


Given the accuracy, or lack there of, with GPS, you are going to be 50 
to 100 feet off.


If you have perfect GPS satellite access, you might get within 30 feet.

That being said, have you tried dropping favorites with BlindSquare or 
Lazarillo?


They both can do that.

But without physical landmarks, it would be hard to rely on GPS only.

Richard

 Live long and prosper

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com <http://www.turner42.com/>

*From:* 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone 
*Sent:* Sunday, September 15, 2019 9:55 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

and it begs a question here, because we both have Blind Square and 
like it. We live in a mobile home park, and it's absolutely 
crazy-making finding our way from point A to point Be in here. We wish 
to find an app that will allow us to drop bread crumbs so we know 
absolutely where we are at every given minute. It would be rather 
embarrassing to carry a cake to the wrong neighbor, or appear 
somewhere we should not, all ready to swim. The embarrassing scenario 
possibilities are endless. We've got lots of programs on our phones, 
Curt has his Trek, but we haven't yet found just the right thing. *sigh*(


Karen
At 08:35 AM 9/15/2019, you wrote:

Can you set up as a point of interest areas otherwise not found on
the maps  in any of the free apps? Such as a specific building on
a university campus ?


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
wrote:


For those who do not want to pay $39.99 for Blind Square, take
a look at the free Lazarillo app.
It does not have the depth of features that Blind Square has;
but it is a good orientation app.
If you want a walking route, you can get that from within
Lazarillo.
If you want a driving route, it can launch Google or Apple
Maps I believe and run in the background to tell you about
streets or Points Of Interest.
I turn off explore mode when first launching or it continues
to talk about places around you which interrupts hearing what
you want in learning the app.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the

V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of
this list, or if you feel that a member's post is
inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators
directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be
reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list
owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/

<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C68ac8ba9a207417d8dbe08d739fd7aec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637041633154361440=8zES1lhLh0btfO9BBlbuI%2FcG5CgUj52FB63B0Hjnb8U%3D=0>
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the
Google Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from
it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit

https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B78D0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com

<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FMWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B78D0%2540MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com%3Futm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dfooter=02%7C01%7C%7C68ac8ba9a207417d8dbe08d739fd7aec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637041633154371457=WXdrN07cYWXLqu70s5Z2uBMkh6eflm4bb%2BLhDV78zCc%3D=0>
.


-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V

iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this
list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please
contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on
the list itself.

Your V iPhon

RE: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

[Richard Turner]

Given the accuracy, or lack there of, with GPS, you are going to be 50 to 100 
feet off.
If you have perfect GPS satellite access, you might get within 30 feet.

That being said, have you tried dropping favorites with BlindSquare or 
Lazarillo?

They both can do that.
But without physical landmarks, it would be hard to rely on GPS only.

Richard

 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com/>

From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone 
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 9:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

and it begs a question here, because we both have Blind Square and like it. We 
live in a mobile home park, and it's absolutely crazy-making finding our way 
from point A to point Be in here. We wish to find an app that will allow us to 
drop bread crumbs so we know absolutely where we are at every given minute. It 
would be rather embarrassing to carry a cake to the wrong neighbor, or appear 
somewhere we should not, all ready to swim. The embarrassing scenario 
possibilities are endless. We've got lots of programs on our phones, Curt has 
his Trek, but we haven't yet found just the right thing. *sigh*(

Karen
At 08:35 AM 9/15/2019, you wrote:

Can you set up as a point of interest areas otherwise not found on the maps  in 
any of the free apps? Such as a specific building on a university campus ?


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner < 
richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


For those who do not want to pay $39.99 for Blind Square, take a look at the 
free Lazarillo app.
It does not have the depth of features that Blind Square has; but it is a good 
orientation app.
If you want a walking route, you can get that from within Lazarillo.
If you want a driving route, it can launch Google or Apple Maps I believe and 
run in the background to tell you about streets or Points Of Interest.
I turn off explore mode when first launching or it continues to talk about 
places around you which interrupts hearing what you want in learning the app.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.

--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C68ac8ba9a207417d8dbe08d739fd7aec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637041633154361440=8zES1lhLh0btfO9BBlbuI%2FcG5CgUj52FB63B0Hjnb8U%3D=0>
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B78D0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2FMWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B78D0%2540MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com%3Futm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dfooter=02%7C01%7C%7C68ac8ba9a207417d8dbe08d739fd7aec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637041633154371457=WXdrN07cYWXLqu70s5Z2uBMkh6eflm4bb%2BLhDV78zCc%3D=0>
 .

--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C68ac8ba9a207417d8dbe08d739fd7aec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637041633154381461=st0HcYharNqbeLBIIMmxbQL0Lox1Jhf24bCQejV3zEQ%3D=0>
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" 

Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

['Karen Delzer' via VIPhone]

and it begs a question here, because we both have Blind Square and 
like it. We live in a mobile home park, and it's absolutely 
crazy-making finding our way from point A to point Be in here. We 
wish to find an app that will allow us to drop bread crumbs so we 
know absolutely where we are at every given minute. It would be 
rather embarrassing to carry a cake to the wrong neighbor, or appear 
somewhere we should not, all ready to swim. The embarrassing scenario 
possibilities are endless. We've got lots of programs on our phones, 
Curt has his Trek, but we haven't yet found just the right thing. *sigh*(


Karen
At 08:35 AM 9/15/2019, you wrote:
Can you set up as a point of interest areas otherwise not found on 
the maps  in any of the free apps? Such as a specific building on a 
university campus ?



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner 
<richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:


For those who do not want to pay $39.99 for Blind Square, take a 
look at the free Lazarillo app.
It does not have the depth of features that Blind Square has; but 
it is a good orientation app.

If you want a walking route, you can get that from within Lazarillo.
If you want a driving route, it can launch Google or Apple Maps I 
believe and run in the background to tell you about streets or 
Points Of Interest.
I turn off explore mode when first launching or it continues to 
talk about places around you which interrupts hearing what you want 
in learning the app.



Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.

--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this 
list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please 
contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on 
the list itself.


Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached 
at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara 
Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com


The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, 
send an email to 
viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B78D0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.


--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this 
list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please 
contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the 
list itself.


Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara 
at caraqu...@caraquinn.com


The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, 
send an email to 
viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/DC90AD4D-40CA-4A09-A47A-C5F61C7B9D5F%40gmail.com.


--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.

To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5d7e6cf0.1c69fb81.77ba7.2e51SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com.

Re: Lazarillo or BlindSquare

[TaraPrakash]

Can you set up as a point of interest areas otherwise not found on the maps  in 
any of the free apps? Such as a specific building on a university campus ?
 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> For those who do not want to pay $39.99 for Blind Square, take a look at the 
> free Lazarillo app.
> It does not have the depth of features that Blind Square has; but it is a 
> good orientation app.
> If you want a walking route, you can get that from within Lazarillo.
> If you want a driving route, it can launch Google or Apple Maps I believe and 
> run in the background to tell you about streets or Points Of Interest.
> I turn off explore mode when first launching or it continues to talk about 
> places around you which interrupts hearing what you want in learning the app.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>  
> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>  
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "VIPhone" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR1701MB1901036BA288DFDF345DDDE8B78D0%40MWHPR1701MB1901.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/DC90AD4D-40CA-4A09-A47A-C5F61C7B9D5F%40gmail.com.