Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

2019-04-07 Thread Mike B.
It worked here using IE11.  The link probably wrapped to a 2nd line being 
it's a long URL.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Book: a utensil used to pass time while waiting for the computer repairman!
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From: Richard Turner
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Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?




what browser were you using
That is the link Russ Keen had sent out and it worked for me with Safari on 
my iPhone and Firefox on my computer.
Richard



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On Apr 7, 2019, at 11:43 AM, 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone 
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  When I hit on the link 
https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/applevispodcast1225.mp3

   this is what I got.

  This web page could not be loaded.
  Due to an internal error, this web page could not be loaded.

  We recommend that you close this page.

  Return to Outlook


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RE: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

2019-04-07 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
The original link provided was correct, but somehow it must have gotten 
corrupted. Keep in mind that if you know the number of an Applevis Podcast, in 
this case 1225, all you have to do to find it quickly is to Google “Applevis 
Podcast 1225”. When I did this the first Google search result took me straight 
to the correct page on the Applevis website. This doesn’t start the Podcast 
playing right away, but using heading quick navigation takes you easily to the 
summary of the Podcast and you then find the link to play the Podcast.
Of course you can also go to the Applevis website since there search feature 
works extremely well, type “Voice Dream Reader” in the search field and then 
you can apply the filter to show only Podcasts where it tells you right away 
there is only 1 result.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 12:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

i was able to play the podcast using Chrome from the link provided in the 
message, but I wanted to download it to listen later, so I did so from the 
Applevis site.

Andy

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I brought up the podcast right away with IE and windows media player.
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Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

2019-04-07 Thread Andy Baracco
i was able to play the podcast using Chrome from the link provided in the 
message, but I wanted to download it to listen later, so I did so from the 
Applevis site.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Holly 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 12:35 PM
  Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?


  I brought up the podcast right away with IE and windows media player.

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Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

2019-04-07 Thread Holly
I brought up the podcast right away with IE and windows media player.

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Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

2019-04-07 Thread Richard Turner

I just had the same issue, so I did what Andy did. Then, copied this link from 
Safari:
https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/applevispodcast1225.mp3



Check out my web site at: 
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On Apr 7, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Andy Baracco 
mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>> wrote:

The same thing happened to me, so i went to 
www.applevis.com<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com=02%7C01%7C%7C1e29a10f70fa457debff08d6bb8e9331%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636902618356681030=Ei7iGPs6tUN0ohaRovePyLIBxVvEgsxnnCPz%2FW2k%2BcQ%3D=0>
 and downloaded the podcast from there.

Andy

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

When I hit on the link 
https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/applevispodcast1225.mp3<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fpodcasts%2Fapplevispodcast1225.mp3=02%7C01%7C%7C1e29a10f70fa457debff08d6bb8e9331%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636902618356691035=iwUxsOHtJkSZThs%2BUMvTZ25qqyufw9REkEl5dNGgxcY%3D=0>
 this is what I got.
This web page could not be loaded.

Due to an internal error, this web page could not be loaded.

We recommend that you close this page.

Return to 
Outlook<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Foutlook.live.com%2Fowa=02%7C01%7C%7C1e29a10f70fa457debff08d6bb8e9331%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636902618356701047=khBStMD9YCFMx9o3PPukHs%2FvtIA2MbJwtCIMMValUKs%3D=0>

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Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

2019-04-07 Thread Andy Baracco
The same thing happened to me, so i went to www.applevis.com and downloaded the 
podcast from there.

Andy

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  From: 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone 
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  Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 11:42 AM
  Subject: RE: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?


  When I hit on the link 
https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/applevispodcast1225.mp3

   this is what I got. 

  This web page could not be loaded.
  Due to an internal error, this web page could not be loaded.

  We recommend that you close this page.

  Return to Outlook 


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Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

2019-04-07 Thread Kathy Brandt
I get the same error, using Safari on my iPod.

> On Apr 7, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> what browser were you using
> That is the link Russ Keen had sent out and it worked for me with Safari on 
> my iPhone and Firefox on my computer.
> Richard
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
> 
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
> any." -- Alice Walker
> 
> 
> On Apr 7, 2019, at 11:43 AM, 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
>> When I hit on the link 
>> https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/applevispodcast1225.mp3
>>  this is what I got.
>> This web page could not be loaded.
>> 
>> Due to an internal error, this web page could not be loaded.
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Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

2019-04-07 Thread Richard Turner

what browser were you using
That is the link Russ Keen had sent out and it worked for me with Safari on my 
iPhone and Firefox on my computer.
Richard


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from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59


The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker


On Apr 7, 2019, at 11:43 AM, 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

When I hit on the link 
https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/applevispodcast1225.mp3
 this is what I got.
This web page could not be loaded.

Due to an internal error, this web page could not be loaded.

We recommend that you close this page.

Return to 
Outlook

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RE: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

2019-04-07 Thread 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone
When I hit on the link 
https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/applevispodcast1225.mp3 

 

 this is what I got. 


This web page could not be loaded.


Due to an internal error, this web page could not be loaded.

We recommend that you close this page.

Return to Outlook   

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Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

2019-04-07 Thread kitty hevener
Richard, thanks.  Will check it out.  Btw, I have been to ur site and really 
like it.  I think you have done an outstanding job of pulling resource 
information and made it all easy to find.  Thank you for great service to us.  

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 1:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

Kitty,

It is easier to use Voice Dream Scanner.

Thomas Donville has done a podcast that is a little more thorough than my 
quickish demo.

 

https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/applevispodcast1225.mp3

 

Richard

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kitty 
hevener
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 9:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

 

I appologize, just looked at subject line and realize I communicated the wrong 
thing for people who skim like me.  My question is below this.  Thoughts on 
scanning with vds compared to seeing ai?

 

From: kitty hevener 

Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 11:00 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

 

how does the free hand scan and read work compared to that in seeing ai?  With 
seein ai, it takes me forever to get all four corners of a page focused well 
enough for the ap to take a pic and read it.  

 

From: Richard Turner 

Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 10:58 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

 

 

Diane, 

Sorry about the volume and speed on the demo.

But, as others have said, you can use the app free hand just fine. I only used 
the stand for the demo so I could do a true comparison and not have phone 
position be an issue.

Also, you can set it to read automatically.

When it is done reading, you can re-read it by hitting the play button again.

But, the Voice Dream Scanner does not do document management, so if you don't 
clear the scanner, the next scan will be added to the previous one.

 

 

 

It sounds like you do not plan on saving documents, just reading them and 
moving on.

This will work great for you.

Richard

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker

 


On Apr 6, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:

  It can be used as a stand alone product.

   

  Andy

   

- Original Message - 

From: Dianne B Phelps 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 7:19 PM

Subject: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

 

First of all, I was not impressed with the NFB Technology explanation as to 
why KNFB Reader has fallen so far behind in terms of its ability. I suspect Dr. 
Kurzweil may be retiring from the scene somewhat as he well deserves and NFB is 
fiddling around with things instead of tending to business. Won’t further 
speculate on that.

 

I do have a couple of questions about Voice Dream Scanner. First of all 
must you absolutely have to have the stand to use it or can you free-hand hold 
the phone as I have managed for years with the KNFB products? Secondly, will 
the scanner, Voice Dream Scanner, read the document you have taken a picture of 
as I do with my mail and then begin reading or do I absolutely have to get the 
document into their reader app in order to read? Frankly, all of what sounds 
like a good bit of document manipulation absolutely overwhelms me. I need to be 
able to take the picture and get the stuff read and am not sure I have the 
patience to have to go into something else, dig around for the document and 
maybe get it read. This stuff is absolutely boggling my mind.

 

When I looked at your video the other day, Richard, I really could not hear 
your demonstration well nor could I hear to understand the speech as it read 
the document after which extra steps you had to take to get it to read.

 

Sorry, it’s old lady ears and not quite understanding all the steps. KNFB 
and Seeing AI are simple. They just don’t work consistently.

 

I have been a Kurzweil reader since the first home version personal reader 
in the early 1990’s and have followed his technology all the way through. I 
have had good luck with it until the last year or two since they are no longer 
doing updates and keeping the product up to date. Also had a device called the 
Read EZ Move which GW Micro sold for a while which was really terrific too. It 
was a device from England, but mine just went out a few months ago and it is 
not manufactured  nor can it be repaired any longer. So, I am fe

RE: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

2019-04-07 Thread Richard Turner
Kitty,
It is easier to use Voice Dream Scanner.
Thomas Donville has done a podcast that is a little more thorough than my 
quickish demo.

https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/applevispodcast1225.mp3<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fpodcasts%2Fapplevispodcast1225.mp3=02%7C01%7C%7Cc7631ed9ea2c45b157ae08d6bb5e3a5e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636902410705695904=GeFJrzMjettFa8yPoprUyFqg0fmJDZIAyV6LkhNxUMI%3D=0>

Richard

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>
“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kitty 
hevener
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 9:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

I appologize, just looked at subject line and realize I communicated the wrong 
thing for people who skim like me.  My question is below this.  Thoughts on 
scanning with vds compared to seeing ai?

From: kitty hevener<mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 11:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

how does the free hand scan and read work compared to that in seeing ai?  With 
seein ai, it takes me forever to get all four corners of a page focused well 
enough for the ap to take a pic and read it.

From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 10:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?


Diane,
Sorry about the volume and speed on the demo.
But, as others have said, you can use the app free hand just fine. I only used 
the stand for the demo so I could do a true comparison and not have phone 
position be an issue.
Also, you can set it to read automatically.
When it is done reading, you can re-read it by hitting the play button again.
But, the Voice Dream Scanner does not do document management, so if you don't 
clear the scanner, the next scan will be added to the previous one.



It sounds like you do not plan on saving documents, just reading them and 
moving on.
This will work great for you.
Richard


The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker



On Apr 6, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Andy Baracco 
mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>> wrote:
It can be used as a stand alone product.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: Dianne B Phelps<mailto:d.bphe...@comcast.net>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 7:19 PM
Subject: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

First of all, I was not impressed with the NFB Technology explanation as to why 
KNFB Reader has fallen so far behind in terms of its ability. I suspect Dr. 
Kurzweil may be retiring from the scene somewhat as he well deserves and NFB is 
fiddling around with things instead of tending to business. Won’t further 
speculate on that.

I do have a couple of questions about Voice Dream Scanner. First of all must 
you absolutely have to have the stand to use it or can you free-hand hold the 
phone as I have managed for years with the KNFB products? Secondly, will the 
scanner, Voice Dream Scanner, read the document you have taken a picture of as 
I do with my mail and then begin reading or do I absolutely have to get the 
document into their reader app in order to read? Frankly, all of what sounds 
like a good bit of document manipulation absolutely overwhelms me. I need to be 
able to take the picture and get the stuff read and am not sure I have the 
patience to have to go into something else, dig around for the document and 
maybe get it read. This stuff is absolutely boggling my mind.

When I looked at your video the other day, Richard, I really could not hear 
your demonstration well nor could I hear to understand the speech as it read 
the document after which extra steps you had to take to get it to read.

Sorry, it’s old lady ears and not quite understanding all the steps. KNFB and 
Seeing AI are simple. They just don’t work consistently.

I have been a Kurzweil reader since the first home version personal reader in 
the early 1990’s and have followed his technology all the way through. I have 
had good luck with it until the last year or two since they are no longer doing 
updates and keeping the product up to date. Also had a device called the Read 
EZ Move which GW Micro sold for a while which was really terrific too. It was a 
device from England, but mine just went out a few months ago and it is not 
m

Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

2019-04-07 Thread kitty hevener
I appologize, just looked at subject line and realize I communicated the wrong 
thing for people who skim like me.  My question is below this.  Thoughts on 
scanning with vds compared to seeing ai?

From: kitty hevener 
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 11:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

how does the free hand scan and read work compared to that in seeing ai?  With 
seein ai, it takes me forever to get all four corners of a page focused well 
enough for the ap to take a pic and read it.  

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 10:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?


Diane, 
Sorry about the volume and speed on the demo.
But, as others have said, you can use the app free hand just fine. I only used 
the stand for the demo so I could do a true comparison and not have phone 
position be an issue.
Also, you can set it to read automatically.
When it is done reading, you can re-read it by hitting the play button again.
But, the Voice Dream Scanner does not do document management, so if you don't 
clear the scanner, the next scan will be added to the previous one.



It sounds like you do not plan on saving documents, just reading them and 
moving on.
This will work great for you.
Richard



The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker




On Apr 6, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:


  It can be used as a stand alone product.

  Andy

- Original Message - 
From: Dianne B Phelps 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 7:19 PM
Subject: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

First of all, I was not impressed with the NFB Technology explanation as to 
why KNFB Reader has fallen so far behind in terms of its ability. I suspect Dr. 
Kurzweil may be retiring from the scene somewhat as he well deserves and NFB is 
fiddling around with things instead of tending to business. Won’t further 
speculate on that.

 

I do have a couple of questions about Voice Dream Scanner. First of all 
must you absolutely have to have the stand to use it or can you free-hand hold 
the phone as I have managed for years with the KNFB products? Secondly, will 
the scanner, Voice Dream Scanner, read the document you have taken a picture of 
as I do with my mail and then begin reading or do I absolutely have to get the 
document into their reader app in order to read? Frankly, all of what sounds 
like a good bit of document manipulation absolutely overwhelms me. I need to be 
able to take the picture and get the stuff read and am not sure I have the 
patience to have to go into something else, dig around for the document and 
maybe get it read. This stuff is absolutely boggling my mind.

 

When I looked at your video the other day, Richard, I really could not hear 
your demonstration well nor could I hear to understand the speech as it read 
the document after which extra steps you had to take to get it to read.

 

Sorry, it’s old lady ears and not quite understanding all the steps. KNFB 
and Seeing AI are simple. They just don’t work consistently.

 

I have been a Kurzweil reader since the first home version personal reader 
in the early 1990’s and have followed his technology all the way through. I 
have had good luck with it until the last year or two since they are no longer 
doing updates and keeping the product up to date. Also had a device called the 
Read EZ Move which GW Micro sold for a while which was really terrific too. It 
was a device from England, but mine just went out a few months ago and it is 
not manufactured  nor can it be repaired any longer. So, I am feeling kind of 
desperate  to find something which will make reading easier once again. 

 

Thanks for further information, and NFB needs to get back on the stick. How 
dare they treat Dr. Kurzweil’s product and work like this. If they aren’t going 
to do it, someone needs to step up to the plate and get it done though with all 
the R bellaching excuses,, I doubt it will happen where it is now. It’s a 
real shame, and I am not a happy long-time user.

 

Smiles to all,

 

Dianne and the Fur Crew

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