Re: [VoiceOps] Connecting to Remote Tandems

[Mary Lou Carey]

The service you are looking for is called PSTN Connection service, but 
you need to have either an FCC IPES certification (Direct Access to 
Numbering Resources) or a CLEC license. I have contacts at Inteliquent, 
Peerless, and Wide Voice if you need them. PSTN connection service is 
turned up on a per LATA basis so you don't have to limit yourself to one 
carrier for the entire country unless you want to. Its my understanding 
Wide Voice covers more areas for IPES providers than they do for CLEC.


Peerless and Wide Voice will work with anyone.Inteliquent used to be 
willing to work with anyone but in the last year they've been less 
interested in serving IPES companies that don't have a significant 
amount of traffic to start out with. That could have changed since they 
were just bought out, but that's been my experience while helping 
carriers turn up their networks over the last year.


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On 2021-07-07 08:12 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

At the suggestion of this mailing list, I started pursuing the
IVP/IPES route instead of trying to do my expansions via CLEC
authority.

I've had conversations with a few companies to enable the IPES
services, Verizon, Inteliquent, Intrado (West), and Peerless. I
haven't talked to Wide Voice because their stated coverage is
inadequate. I haven't talked to Level 3 because they never answered
me.

* One of the conversations went nowhere because while they knew what
I was talking about, they didn't think they had a product for that.
Their rates for adjacent services were actually reasonable.
* One had it productized, but had a 5 figure minimum monthly commit.
The stated reason was that the LECs are a pain and they wanted to make
sure they had a decent return before they committed resources.
* One had only part of the solution, still requiring me to build out
the tandems myself for the ILEC interconnection.
* One had it productized and had no monthly minimum.

Okay, so four very different responses from four companies. The one
seems like the a slam dunk, but being a slam drunk in the face of such
difficulty, I become skeptical. We're coming from a TDM, voice CLEC
background, not a retail SIP provider background. Is there something
I'm underestimating in this process?

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From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "VoiceOps" 
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 2:42:37 PM
Subject: [VoiceOps] Connecting to Remote Tandems

I'm evaluating methods of extending our footprint. I purposely left
out company names.

One of the companies we talked to was really only interested in
getting us the inbound long distance calls, not the local ones. Well,
they would, but the terms were vastly different.

Given that I still need to build out to connect to the local tandem,
what's the point in using a third party to connect to long distance?

Are the terms for connecting to the local tandems different because
the access tandem is simpler, whereas the local tandem could
potentially involve connections to a bunch of other switches, once
volume dictated I needed direct connections...  and they don't want to
deal with that?

Are there third parties that don't have vastly different terms for
local tandem services?

Also, is it likely that I just don't understand what's going on? I
went circles with the sales rep to make sure I understood what he was
saying, but I could be wrong.

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Re: [VoiceOps] TransNexus STIR/SHAKEN Stats

[Karl Douthit]

When we started signing calls back in December it was a no brainer to use a
CDN for cert cache / hosting.

Geo location and best path for lookups vs a ton of PDD.

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 11:24 AM Jared Geiger  wrote:

> TransNexus made a blog post
> https://transnexus.com/blog/2021/shaken-stats-june/ which shows the
> percentage of calls that had Passport headers in June.
>
> Inteliquent, Lumen/Centurylink, Frontier, Windstream, Intrado, Peerless
> seem to be missing from the list unless they are under the SaaS providers.
>
> I'm glad that many carriers are putting certs behind a CDN. The ones that
> aren't seem split between being hosted on AWS and self hosted. Validation
> will add to PDD, so CDNs will hopefully make it less of an issue.
>
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[VoiceOps] TransNexus STIR/SHAKEN Stats

[Jared Geiger]

TransNexus made a blog post
https://transnexus.com/blog/2021/shaken-stats-june/ which shows the
percentage of calls that had Passport headers in June.

Inteliquent, Lumen/Centurylink, Frontier, Windstream, Intrado, Peerless
seem to be missing from the list unless they are under the SaaS providers.

I'm glad that many carriers are putting certs behind a CDN. The ones that
aren't seem split between being hosted on AWS and self hosted. Validation
will add to PDD, so CDNs will hopefully make it less of an issue.

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Re: [VoiceOps] Bandwidth vs Inteliquent

[Aryn Nakaoka 808.356.2901]

We use everyone... INQT, Thinq, Verizon Wholesale, Bandwidth, Teli,
Flowroute (have credits sitting there).

For SMS and e911 have you tried Teli? their 911 conferencing is a cool
feature. SMS integrations are good been thinking about others but they
allow off-net SMS integrations as well. Teli just was purchased by Thinq
and we really like Thinq for their toll-free origination (they move your
number weekly to the carrier who sends you the most calls so your numbers
can be on-net).

We used to be on Verizon wholesale but had too many issues with codecs
between customers since there is no enforcement. We are happy we moved to
Inteliquent for Origination and all our TNs and porting control. Allows us
to sell SIP trunking and handouts to our clients. Inteliquent also
purchases Acrobits recently and that was our softphone app vendor of choice.

We use Bandwidth for termination, however this past week we had to
temporarily route around them because we had a termination issue. It was
resolved the next day, but that's why we have multiple termination
providers. We did get an RFO and we moved our traffic back. They are
cheaper for termination for us...


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On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 8:51 PM Matthew Crocker 
wrote:

>
> I’m a small Broadworks hosted PBX with about 5k devices attached.   I use
> clearIP for all inbound and outbound calls. I’m running about $1100/month.
> Most of that is CNAM dips.   Pricing is based on a per call/function with a
> $500/month minimum
>
> LCR, STIR/SHAKEN, anti-fraud, CNAM just to make a few functions.
>
> Insanely easy to configure and integrate with our oracle SBCs.
>
> On Jul 7, 2021, at 11:36 PM, Alex Balashov 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Crocker. Do not click
> links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the
> content is safe.
>
> No, but highly curated access to the Bandwidth API is common. I cannot
> confirm or deny that we do a lot of that, but I mean, I wouldn’t deny it
> per se.
>
> —
> Sent from mobile, with due apologies for brevity and errors.
>
> On Jul 7, 2021, at 10:18 PM, Ross Tajvar  wrote:
>
> 
> > I don't know of any resellers of Bandwidth that would allow you direct
> access to the Bandwidth API. The API is based on Account and you'd have
> access to the full reseller account.
>
> I believe Bandwidth allows subaccounts.
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2021, 10:08 PM Peter Beckman  wrote:
>
>> I've been happy with Bandwidth. Started with them mid-2015. They handle
>> most of our inbound and outbound calling and SMS. APIs do what we need for
>> the most part (there are some limits in viewing their inventory that I'm
>> not a fan of), SMPP connections never die, tickets get addressed quickly,
>> at least when the solution is straightforward.
>>
>> I haven't used Inteliquent directly, so I cannot speak to the true
>> differences.
>>
>> I hear that Inteliquent wins for termination, and though I can get
>> coverage
>> in most places for Bandwidth on-net and Level3 off-net through Bandwidth,
>> Inteliquent, with their acquisition of Onvoy/Voyant/Vitelity over the past
>> few years, has coverage in more ratecenters. It just depends if you care
>> about small rural switches or smaller cities.
>>
>> I'm sure the APIs are probably similar, though Bandwidth has several SDKs
>> available, and I have not been able to find mention of Inteliquent SDKs on
>> the Internet, and definitely not in GitHub.
>>
>> I don't know of any resellers of Bandwidth that would allow you direct
>> access to the Bandwidth API. The API is based on Account and you'd have
>> access to the full reseller account.
>>
>> https://dev.bandwidth.com/
>>
>> Beckman
>>
>> On Wed, 7 Jul 2021, Colton Conor wrote:
>>
>> > If you had to choose only between these two providers for wholesale
>> > services, which would you choose and why? We are only considering these
>> two
>> > as the softswitch we are planning on using (Netsapiens) has only built
>> out
>> > Group MMS support for these two carriers APIs, and no one else.
>> >
>> > I have used many services over the years that have utilized both of
>> these
>> > carriers, but I have never had a direct relationship with them.

Re: [VoiceOps] Bandwidth vs Inteliquent

[Matthew Crocker]

I’m a small Broadworks hosted PBX with about 5k devices attached.   I use 
clearIP for all inbound and outbound calls. I’m running about $1100/month.  
Most of that is CNAM dips.   Pricing is based on a per call/function with a 
$500/month minimum

LCR, STIR/SHAKEN, anti-fraud, CNAM just to make a few functions.

Insanely easy to configure and integrate with our oracle SBCs.

On Jul 7, 2021, at 11:36 PM, Alex Balashov  wrote:



CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Crocker. Do not click links or 
open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.


No, but highly curated access to the Bandwidth API is common. I cannot confirm 
or deny that we do a lot of that, but I mean, I wouldn’t deny it per se.

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Sent from mobile, with due apologies for brevity and errors.

On Jul 7, 2021, at 10:18 PM, Ross Tajvar  wrote:


> I don't know of any resellers of Bandwidth that would allow you direct
access to the Bandwidth API. The API is based on Account and you'd have
access to the full reseller account.

I believe Bandwidth allows subaccounts.

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021, 10:08 PM Peter Beckman 
mailto:beck...@angryox.com>> wrote:
I've been happy with Bandwidth. Started with them mid-2015. They handle
most of our inbound and outbound calling and SMS. APIs do what we need for
the most part (there are some limits in viewing their inventory that I'm
not a fan of), SMPP connections never die, tickets get addressed quickly,
at least when the solution is straightforward.

I haven't used Inteliquent directly, so I cannot speak to the true
differences.

I hear that Inteliquent wins for termination, and though I can get coverage
in most places for Bandwidth on-net and Level3 off-net through Bandwidth,
Inteliquent, with their acquisition of Onvoy/Voyant/Vitelity over the past
few years, has coverage in more ratecenters. It just depends if you care
about small rural switches or smaller cities.

I'm sure the APIs are probably similar, though Bandwidth has several SDKs
available, and I have not been able to find mention of Inteliquent SDKs on
the Internet, and definitely not in GitHub.

I don't know of any resellers of Bandwidth that would allow you direct
access to the Bandwidth API. The API is based on Account and you'd have
access to the full reseller account.

https://dev.bandwidth.com/

Beckman

On Wed, 7 Jul 2021, Colton Conor wrote:

> If you had to choose only between these two providers for wholesale
> services, which would you choose and why? We are only considering these two
> as the softswitch we are planning on using (Netsapiens) has only built out
> Group MMS support for these two carriers APIs, and no one else.
>
> I have used many services over the years that have utilized both of these
> carriers, but I have never had a direct relationship with them.
>
> Which has a better portal, API, and company overall? What are the true
> differences?
>
> Are there any resellers to consider where we would still have direct access
> to these carriers APIs?
>

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