Re: [volt-nuts] "*WAY* too expensive for even Keysight to redesign"

2015-05-13 Thread MARVIN
Sorry folks, sent too fast. Errors corrected. Yes, these folks do not market like the commercial side but there is a small industry supplying obsolete parts. They are not focused to sell to the public. Sometimes, they just hunt around for NOS stored in some forgotten warehouse, then they test

Re: [volt-nuts] "*WAY* too expensive for even Keysight to redesign"

2015-05-13 Thread MARVIN
Yes, these folks do not market like the commercial side but there is a small industry supplying obsolete parts. They are not usually not focused to sell to the public. Sometimes, they just hunt around for NOS stored in some forgotten warehouse, then they test components to insure like new functi

Re: [volt-nuts] "*WAY* too expensive for even Keysight to redesign"

2015-05-13 Thread Daniel Mendes
On 13/05/2015 15:10, Oz-in-DFW wrote: On 5/13/2015 1:02 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message <6.2.5.6.2.20150513113523.072f2...@comcast.net>, "Marv @ Home" writes: Aside, there are private fabrication houses that make short runs of obsolete chips [...] Ehh, dudes... a m68k com

Re: [volt-nuts] "*WAY* too expensive for even Keysight to redesign"

2015-05-13 Thread Oz-in-DFW
On 5/13/2015 1:02 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > In message <6.2.5.6.2.20150513113523.072f2...@comcast.net>, "Marv @ Home" > writes: > >> Aside, there are private fabrication houses that make short runs of >> obsolete chips [...] > Ehh, dudes... a m68k compatible chip is not unobtaniu

Re: [volt-nuts] "*WAY* too expensive for even Keysight to redesign"

2015-05-13 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <6.2.5.6.2.20150513113523.072f2...@comcast.net>, "Marv @ Home" writes: >Aside, there are private fabrication houses that make short runs of >obsolete chips [...] Ehh, dudes... a m68k compatible chip is not unobtanium. Besides, the HP3458A is written mostly in K&R style C,

Re: [volt-nuts] "*WAY* too expensive for even Keysight to redesign"

2015-05-13 Thread Oz-in-DFW
On 5/13/2015 12:07 PM, Didier Juges wrote: > "Our life cycle management program assures you of a dependable, quality > source of obsolete IC's forever. " > No mention that the price may go up exponentially each time you ask for a > quote, and don't try to buy two dozens. They probably won't make a

Re: [volt-nuts] "*WAY* too expensive for even Keysight to redesign"

2015-05-13 Thread Didier Juges
"Our life cycle management program assures you of a dependable, quality source of obsolete IC's forever. " No mention that the price may go up exponentially each time you ask for a quote, and don't try to buy two dozens. They probably won't make a run for much less than several thousand pieces, an

Re: [volt-nuts] "*WAY* too expensive for even Keysight to redesign"

2015-05-13 Thread Daniel Mendes
From the site you linked: "Our life cycle management program assures you of a dependable, quality source of obsolete IC's forever. " Now it was my turn of having a good laugh.. thanks for that, I didnĀ“t knew that this service existed. Daniel On 13/05/2015 13:37, Marv @ Home wrote: Aside, t

Re: [volt-nuts] "*WAY* too expensive for even Keysight to redesign"

2015-05-13 Thread Marv @ Home
Aside, there are private fabrication houses that make short runs of obsolete chips in order to keep mission critical electronics running, such as in aerospace and military applications. I'm not sure what Keysight would actually do, but I would presume not only do they stockpile key parts, both

Re: [volt-nuts] "*WAY* too expensive for even Keysight to redesign"

2015-05-13 Thread John Phillips
They will buy several year worth of the chip when it is making its last production run. On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 6:17 AM, Daniel Mendes wrote: > > > On 13/05/2015 03:14, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> 1980's. >> In the HP3458A the cleverness is not just in the analogue stuff. >> There is no way yo

Re: [volt-nuts] "*WAY* too expensive for even Keysight to redesign"

2015-05-13 Thread Daniel Mendes
On 13/05/2015 03:14, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: 1980's. In the HP3458A the cleverness is not just in the analogue stuff. There is no way you could do something like that without stepping over HP's software copyright. You can probably get away with a FOSS project, provided you do it in a way wher

[volt-nuts] Keysight seminar of possible interest to those in the UK

2015-05-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
This might interest those with an interest in metrology in the UK. It is run by Keysight on the 16th and 18th June http://www.keysight.com/main/eventDetail.jspx?cc=US&lc=eng&ckey=2553856&nid=-33166.920244.08&id=2553856&cmpid=1-6830540895 The annoying this is Keysight are running something else th

Re: [volt-nuts] "*WAY* too expensive for even Keysight to redesign"

2015-05-13 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , acb...@gmx.de writes: >can you elaborate what copyright you think of. no one would make >an exact copy of a PCB anyway, given many parts are obsolete and >no smds used, and circuitries are generally not protected. You will need certain parts of the firmware, otherwise the an

Re: [volt-nuts] "*WAY* too expensive for even Keysight to redesign"

2015-05-13 Thread John Phillips
I would think the code may be copyrighted. On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 12:39 AM, wrote: > can you elaborate what copyright you think of. no one would make an exact > copy of a PCB anyway, given many parts are obsolete and no smds used, and > circuitries are generally not protected. > > > > > > Gesen

Re: [volt-nuts] "*WAY* too expensive for even Keysight to redesign"

2015-05-13 Thread acbern
can you elaborate what copyright you think of. no one would make an exact copy of a PCB anyway, given many parts are obsolete and no smds used, and circuitries are generally not protected. > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Mai 2015 um 09:25 Uhr > Von: "Poul-Henning Kamp" > An: "Discussion of precise

Re: [volt-nuts] "*WAY* too expensive for even Keysight to redesign"

2015-05-13 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , John Phillips writes: >I would think that a lot of the patents would be running out soon as if >that would make any difference. I wrote "copyright", not "patent". Thanks to Disney copyright never runs out as long as a lawyer cares. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since