Re: Say it ain't so

2005-10-19 Thread Harry Veeder
Title: Re: Say it ain't so Such technology may be useful for diverting large asteroids on a collisions course with earth. Harry leaking pen wrote: they ARE still researching battlefield nukes, and the elimination of fallout is being done by the fact that the ones being developed are ground pen

Re: Say it ain't so

2005-10-19 Thread leaking pen
they ARE still researching battlefield nukes, and the elimination of fallout is being done by the fact that the ones being developed are ground penetrating bunker busters.  make a nice glass cave thats self sealing.  On 10/19/05, Stephen A. Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: thomas malloy wrote:

Re: Say it ain't so

2005-10-19 Thread Standing Bear
> Real mico-nukes are hard to produce. The article mentions the object > achieved "critical mass" -- no, not really, micro-nukes don't do that in > the conventional sense. They need to be imploded to extreme density, as > I understand it, by a perfectly shaped, very powerful trigger charge in >

Re: Photosynthesis upper limits are unclear

2005-10-19 Thread OrionWorks
> From: "Jones Beene" ... > However - and most importantly - the move to Aquanol need not involve > American farmers at all !! should they do not wish to get involved, as there > is more than enough prime land - previously deforested and now fallow - in > the Amazon to supply a substitute fue

Imagining the FFF(TM) future-fuel-farm

2005-10-19 Thread Jones Beene
Below are the headlines that got me originally thinking about a floating nuclear-powered ethanol + fertilizer plant ...but the FFF may be one F too short for US aggies.   "Russia to Build World’s First Floating Nuclear Power Station for $200,000" http://www.mosnews.com/money/2005/09/09/floati

Jed Predicting a "gradual extinction" of Cold Fusion?

2005-10-19 Thread John Coviello
From the Salt Lake New Article: Though a believer, Rothwell has no hope for cold fusion, predicting “gradual extinction” as aging cold fusionists die. He expects this November’s 12th international cold fusion conference in Shizuoka, Japan, will be the last. --

Re: Photosynthesis upper limits are unclear

2005-10-19 Thread Jones Beene
Jed,  > Without fertilizer, insecticide, irrigation and other intense energy inputs > agricultural productivity everywhere in the world plummet.   None of these depends on petroleum, and especially not fertilizer. Even India  exports nuclear plants using an ammonia exchange processes for fe

Re: Photosynthesis upper limits are unclear

2005-10-19 Thread Frederick Sparber
Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > (Incidentally, corn is a terrible thing to feed to a cow. Cows are not > evolved to eat corn, and it causes terrible stomach upsets, misery and > disease which can only be treated with massive amounts of antibiotics, > which is causing yet another crisis.) > LOL! Acidos

RE: Photosynthesis upper limits are unclear

2005-10-19 Thread Frederick Sparber
: Zell, Chris wrote, > > US farmers will produce whatever is profitable! > Many are happy to break even, after paying the interest on their loans. This is why they can stomach the liberal prospect of producing subsidized fuel ethanol. > > Enormous areas of the US have gone back to nature becau

Re: Photosynthesis upper limits are unclear

2005-10-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: Not with the U.S. diet. We eat a tremendous amount of meat, and this takes 10 times more starting plant food (mainly cattle feed). Wrong (partially). We do eat too much meat here but not more than Europe, where the 1/4 acre standard has been in place for a long time - and i

RE: The Cheapest Way To Fix The Energy Crisis (and lots of other crises)

2005-10-19 Thread John Steck
Sterility drug? You first. 8^) You mean like... http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/PVC-Barbie-Dolls.htm While it would be nice to think it a sinister plot, I sincerely doubt it is anything more than our own carelessness... http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/07/0729_020729_fishhormones_2

I meant all fuel, period

2005-10-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: (I mean ~3,000 plants of the average U.S. nuke plant size, 900 MWe. This be approximately enough to produce all of the electricity and synthetic fuel we now use . . . I meant all fuel, period. That is to say, this would be enough to synthesize enough liquid and gas fuel to replace

Re: Photosynthesis upper limits are unclear

2005-10-19 Thread Jones Beene
Jed Rothwell writes, Not with the U.S. diet. We eat a tremendous amount of meat, and this takes 10 times more starting plant food (mainly cattle feed). Wrong (partially). We do eat too much meat here but not more than Europe, where the 1/4 acre standard has been in place for a long time - a

RE: Photosynthesis upper limits are unclear

2005-10-19 Thread Zell, Chris
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 5:40 PM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Photosynthesis upper limits are unclear Jones Beene wrote: >Right figures. Wrong conclusion. It takes only 1/4 acre of land to feed >the aver

Re: Photosynthesis upper limits are unclear

2005-10-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Frederick Sparber wrote: I'll wager that purchase of one hectare of land in the 9th ward of New Orleans at $10.00/meter^2 can produce 0.1% solar efficient electricity or methanol from sugar cane, bamboo or elephant grass a lot more profitably than the cheapest 10% efficient state-of-the-art Phot

Re: Photosynthesis upper limits are unclear

2005-10-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: Right figures. Wrong conclusion. It takes only 1/4 acre of land to feed the average citizen for one year. Not with the U.S. diet. We eat a tremendous amount of meat, and this takes 10 times more starting plant food (mainly cattle feed). Even with our fertilizer intense pro

Photosynthesis upper limits are unclear

2005-10-19 Thread Frederick Sparber
I'll wager that purchase of one hectare of land in the 9th ward of New Orleans at $10.00/meter^2 can produce 0.1% solar efficient electricity or methanol from sugar cane, bamboo or elephant grass a lot more profitably than the cheapest 10% efficient state-of-the-art Photovoltaic or solar-thermal

Re: Photosynthesis upper limits are unclear

2005-10-19 Thread Jones Beene
Jed Rothwell   > To put this perspective one acre in Illinois at a can produce 500 million BTU. That sounds impressive until you  realize that each person in the US consumes 338 million BTU per year, so it would take nearly an  acre of prime agricultural land per person. There are only 2

Long article about cold fusion in Salt Lake City Weekly

2005-10-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
This is mostly stupid nonsense, but any news is good news. See: http://www.slweekly.com/editorial/2005/feat_2005-10-20.cfm - Jed

Cold fusion with Ti

2005-10-19 Thread Frederick Sparber
Between the full moon and seasonal allergies.  :-(   Potassium and Calcium Titanates KxTiOy &  CaTiOy.   If this ain't right. forget it.   FJS - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber To: vortex-l Sent: 10/19/05 3:19:50 PM Subject: Cold fusion with Ti Not Titanium Nickelates Fr

Cold fusion with Ti

2005-10-19 Thread Frederick Sparber
Not Titanium Nickelates Fred.  Potassium & BariumTitanates, KxTiOy &BaTiOx.   0.2 amperes of K+ and D+  is about 1.2e18 cations per second discharging at the cathode.   FJS - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: 10/19/05 2:56:17 PM Subject: Cold fu

Photosynthesis upper limits are unclear

2005-10-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
When I was researching chapter 16, I read two or three books in a dozen papers about photosynthesis and food factories, and I corresponded with researchers at Cornell, NASA, and Tokai U. Plant Factory Laboratory. One of the questions I asked was: what are the upper limits of photosynthesis conv

Re: The Cheapest Way To Fix The Energy Crisis (and lots of other crises)

2005-10-19 Thread OrionWorks
> From: Standing Bear > > On Wednesday 19 October 2005 12:20, OrionWorks wrote: > > > goering sez: > > > > OrionWorks sez: > > > > > > > > Could you also add the ability to cancel all my > > > > credit card debt as well? > > > > > > > > With consumer goods freed up I'd really like a fresh > > > >

Cold fusion with Ti

2005-10-19 Thread Frederick Sparber
Jed Rothwell wrote: > > http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Bernardinianomalouse.pdf > They used 0.6 molar K2CO3 in 100 milliliters of D2O. The post-mortem gamma spectroscopy was performed on the Ti cathodes after about a million of seconds of electrolysis.   One out of every 11,170 atoms of Potassi

Re: Say it ain't so

2005-10-19 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
thomas malloy wrote: My friend was going on about the Bali bomb having been a nuke. Nonsense, I replied, if it was, there would be radioactivity. My friend countered that this was a clean atom bomb. My reply was, this doesn't exist. Send me the URL, which he did, see http://joevialls.net/nu

Re: The Cheapest Way To Fix The Energy Crisis (and lots of other crises)

2005-10-19 Thread Standing Bear
On Wednesday 19 October 2005 12:20, OrionWorks wrote: > > goering sez: > > > OrionWorks sez: > > > > > > Could you also add the ability to cancel all my > > > credit card debt as well? > > > > > > With consumer goods freed up I'd really like a fresh > > > start in my purchasing prowess. > > > > I'l

Re: LPG powered vehicles

2005-10-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
My point is that LPG produces less pollution than synthetic gasoline would. Perhaps it would also be easier to synthesize? Actually, with CF, LH might be a good choice. It is not a good choice today because of the extra energy needed to liquefied the gas. Storage is not a problem anymore. Smal

errata: compressibility reposting

2005-10-19 Thread Jones Beene
In my haste to further discredit petroleum vis-a-vis ethanol in the previous post, the issue of compressibility of combustion products was garbled - and glossed-over. It is a *big issue* for determining how "heat" gets translated into "work." It is also the subject of a fair amount of disinfo

Re: The price of oil with CF

2005-10-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote, or rather dictated: "Within five years it will be no gasoline powered vehicles on the road. . . . Very little will be produced at first, as industries are converted in new factories are prepared." That was supposed to be: Within five years there will be no gasoline-powered vehicles o

Re: The price of oil with CF

2005-10-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vortwxians- If CF would come out tomorrow we would still need our reservoirs for twenty years. The new system would require a gradual replacement of all powered systems that run on oil and gas. I disagree. I predict the transformation wil

Re: The price of oil with CF

2005-10-19 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Vortwxians- If CF would come out tomorrow we would still need our reservoirs for twenty years. The new system would require a gradual replacement of all powered systems that run on oil and gas. This could not happen over nite- we no longer have the

Re: The Cheapest Way To Fix The Energy Crisis (and lots of other crises)

2005-10-19 Thread OrionWorks
> goering sez: > > OrionWorks sez: > > > > Could you also add the ability to cancel all my > > credit card debt as well? > > > > With consumer goods freed up I'd really like a fresh > > start in my purchasing prowess. > > > > I'll tell you one thing, no matter how nice a home you > live in now,

Re: Is Alkane-Aquanol the Oil-free answer?

2005-10-19 Thread Jones Beene
Jack, > I think, for the widest national security reasons, that> we integrate ALL non-oil sources into a practical delivery> system.  My preference is to make methanol the common fuel> product, since methanol can be made from biomass as well as> "fossil fuels". This observation raises two is

Re: The Cheapest Way To Fix The Energy Crisis (and lots of other crises)

2005-10-19 Thread Standing Bear
On Wednesday 19 October 2005 11:33, thomas malloy wrote: > >herr goering wrote > > > >"If 1/100th of the money and time spent on these > >schemes was used to develop a sterility drug, and if > > The way to do it is develop an estrogen mimicing chemical disguised > as a plastic softening agent and m

LPG powered vehicles

2005-10-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen Lawrence says that methanol is not a good choice because it is toxic. In Japan, 94% of taxies are powered by liquefied petroleum gas (LPG), which is "primarily propane (or a propane/butane mixture)." This liquid is at room temperature. It does not require cryogenic storage the way LNG o

RE: The Cheapest Way To Fix The Energy Crisis (and lots of other crises)

2005-10-19 Thread thomas malloy
herr goering wrote "If 1/100th of the money and time spent on these schemes was used to develop a sterility drug, and if The way to do it is develop an estrogen mimicing chemical disguised as a plastic softening agent and mix it in with plastic used to bottle food and beverage.

PM's Five Solutions

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Say it ain't so

2005-10-19 Thread thomas malloy
My friend was going on about the Bali bomb having been a nuke. Nonsense, I replied, if it was, there would be radioactivity. My friend countered that this was a clean atom bomb. My reply was, this doesn't exist. Send me the URL, which he did, see http://joevialls.net/nuke/bali_micro_nuke.htm .

Re: The Cheapest Way To Fix The Energy Crisis (and lots of other crises)

2005-10-19 Thread hank goering
--- OrionWorks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Could you also add the ability to cancel all my > credit card debt as well? > > With consumer goods freed up I'd really like a fresh > start in my purchasing prowess. > I'll tell you one thing, no matter how nice a home you live in now, in a few

RE: The Cheapest Way To Fix The Energy Crisis (and lots of other crises)

2005-10-19 Thread Alex Caliostro
herr goering wrote "If 1/100th of the money and time spent on these schemes was used to develop a sterility drug, and if the drug were deposited around the world, maybe by a platoon of satellites in polar orbit, it would give humanity a bright, uncrowded future." r u bavarian? adam weishaupt co

Re: Is Alkane-Aquanol the Oil-free answer?

2005-10-19 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Taylor J. Smith wrote: Jones Beene wrote: We are on the verge on a landslide shift in the way we produce and utilize energy for transportation, and it looks like "sustainable hydrated liquid fuels" will be a huge part of this national reawakening to our hidden strength - which has always been

Re: The Cheapest Way To Fix The Energy Crisis (and lots of other crises)

2005-10-19 Thread OrionWorks
> From: hank goering > cold fusion, hot fusion, oil shale, nuclear, biomass, > etc., etc. > > If 1/100th of the money and time spent on these > schemes was used to develop a sterility drug, and if > the drug were deposited around the world, maybe by a > platoon of satellites in polar orbit, it w

Re: The price of oil with CF

2005-10-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Wesley Bruce wrote: Excellent case below mate, you should publish it in Infinite Energy or somewhere. Have you considered the national oil stockpiles. In the scenario I described, we would use CF to synthesize hydrocarbons to combat global warming. See chapter 9 of my book. In this scenario w

Cold fusion with Ti

2005-10-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Bernardinianomalouse.pdf

Re: Is Alkane-Aquanol the Oil-free answer?

2005-10-19 Thread Taylor J. Smith
Jones Beene wrote: We are on the verge on a landslide shift in the way we produce and utilize energy for transportation, and it looks like "sustainable hydrated liquid fuels" will be a huge part of this national reawakening to our hidden strength - which has always been based on productive farmin

The Cheapest Way To Fix The Energy Crisis (and lots of other crises)

2005-10-19 Thread hank goering
cold fusion, hot fusion, oil shale, nuclear, biomass, etc., etc. If 1/100th of the money and time spent on these schemes was used to develop a sterility drug, and if the drug were deposited around the world, maybe by a platoon of satellites in polar orbit, it would give humanity a bright, uncrowde

Re: Is Alkane-Aquanol the Oil-free answer?

2005-10-19 Thread Nick Palmer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Nene goose?! Long time no hear - still hang gliding? I just bought a Moyes Litespeed last year. > A man can dream...