Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-02 Thread Michel Jullian
Right, this is Paul's paradox (he does make sense occasionally ;), so it seems only the second and third way of looking at things (potential energy and work of forces) are equivalent in all cases. Maybe the paradox comes from electric and gravitational fields being static in nature whereas

Re: [Vo]: Now what? An important theoretical question.

2007-02-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On 2/1/07, Stiffler Scientific [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my last comment on this thread as I for sure live in a different world than the rest of you. Wanna bet? :-) PV's Oh yes if you want a 35 year recover, unless you will settle for 10-20% energy offset which can be wiped out in

Re: [Vo]: Now what? An important theoretical question.

2007-02-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On 2/1/07, John Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jed, you strike me as the perfect person to have a crack at this.. Jed addresses this in his book: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusiona.pdf Terry

Re: [Vo]: Now what? An important theoretical question.

2007-02-02 Thread Michel Jullian
If Nanosolar and EEstor, or any companies with similar products, succeed, this planet might indeed become a cooler place to live. Speaking of global warming, the latest IPCC report has just come out: Feb. 2, 2007, 6:23AM Global warming man-made, will continue By SETH BORENSTEIN AP Science

Re: [Vo]: Now what? An important theoretical question.

2007-02-02 Thread Michel Jullian
The link to the actual report (Summary for Policymakers in fact) in the article is wrong, here is the correct one: http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM2feb07.pdf Michel - Original Message - From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:21 PM

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-02 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Michel Jullian wrote: Right, this is Paul's paradox (he does make sense occasionally ;), so it seems only the second and third way of looking at things (potential energy and work of forces) are equivalent in all cases. Maybe the paradox comes from electric and gravitational fields being

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-02 Thread Michel Jullian
So it would be a property of dipoles in fact, interesting indeed, keep us tuned! Michel - Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: electricity question Michel Jullian wrote:

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-02-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: Mega tax dollars being spent on superstring theory and the like is perhaps the largest 21st century violation of separation of church and state that exists. No one seems to know if the thing can be proven or disproven at all, its a big argument. This is not science,

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michel Jullian wrote: Paul, 1/ If you think the potential vs potential energy remark was just humor, you are showing great ignorance. Look up the definition of voltage = electric potential: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_potential Electric potential is the potential energy per

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michel Jullian wrote: so it seems only the second and third way of looking at things (potential energy and work of forces) are equivalent in all cases. Bingo! Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Michel Jullian wrote: Paul, Paul, Paul you missed my point again, never mind :) To go back to your

[Vo]: Barker Barium

2007-02-02 Thread Jones Beene
Ref: The two patents of Wm. Barker U.S. Pat. No. 4,961,880 Electrostatic Voltage Excitation Process and Apparatus issued to William Barker in 1990 discloses an apparatus for utilizing electrostatic charge, in long-term irradiation, to accelerate the decay rate of some radioisotopes. U.S.

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-02-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If M-theory were even 1/10 as negative as you feel then the physics community has fallen because a great deal of the top physicists around the world are working on it. It does indeed predict and seems promising, which is why they are

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-02-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Terry Blanton wrote: On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If M-theory were even 1/10 as negative as you feel then the physics community has fallen because a great deal of the top physicists around the world are working on it. It does indeed predict and seems promising,

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-02-02 Thread Harry Veeder
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If M-theory were even 1/10 as negative as you feel then the physics community has fallen because a great deal of the top physicists around the world are working on it. It does indeed predict and seems promising, which is why they are spending so much time and money

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-02 Thread Harry Veeder
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michel Jullian wrote: Paul, 1/ If you think the potential vs potential energy remark was just humor, you are showing great ignorance. Look up the definition of voltage = electric potential: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_potential Electric potential is

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-02-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Harry Veeder wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If M-theory were even 1/10 as negative as you feel then the physics community has fallen because a great deal of the top physicists around the world are working on it. It does indeed predict and seems promising, which is why they are spending so

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-02-02 Thread Harry Veeder
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry Blanton wrote: On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If M-theory were even 1/10 as negative as you feel then the physics community has fallen because a great deal of the top physicists around the world are working on it. It does indeed

Re: [Vo]: electricity question

2007-02-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Harry Veeder wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michel Jullian wrote: Paul, 1/ If you think the potential vs potential energy remark was just humor, you are showing great ignorance. Look up the definition of voltage = electric potential: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_potential

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2007-02-02 Thread Akira Kawasaki
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[Vo]: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics

2007-02-02 Thread Michael Foster
I'm trying to figure out how a couple of guys who are clearly better educated, and probably a lot smarter than I, can have gone so far wrong. Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Frederick Sparber wrote: Posted earlier: This Field Line Applet is cheaper than buying more VDGs.

[Vo]: Re: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics

2007-02-02 Thread Michel Jullian
- Original Message - From: Michael Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:54 PM Subject: [Vo]: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics ... Therefore, an object with a strong negative charge will charge the earth locally positive by induction and your

RE: [Vo]: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics

2007-02-02 Thread Michael Foster
I wrote: There is a fundamental problem with this idea. While the earth has a net negative charge of say, one megajoule, the tiny fraction of a joule per square meter just won't supply the repulsive force you need unless your Van de Graaff spacecraft is very large and already elevated.

Re: [Vo]: Re: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics

2007-02-02 Thread Harry Veeder
Michel Jullian wrote: In spite of, or rather thanks to the ion fan out feature, this design has beaten as I had expected all other lifter designs in terms of thrust per unit area, by a comfortable margin (3 times that of a standard lifter e.g. Naudin's, 1.5 times that of a flat grid De

Re: [Vo]: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics

2007-02-02 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Michael Foster wrote: I'm trying to figure out how a couple of guys who are clearly better educated, and probably a lot smarter than I, can have gone so far wrong. OK it's time to point out something trivial. divergence(E) = 4 pi rho (in cgs units) E is the real electric field (not the

Re: [Vo]: Re: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics

2007-02-02 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Harry Veeder wrote: Michel Jullian wrote: In spite of, or rather thanks to the ion fan out feature, this design has beaten as I had expected all other lifter designs in terms of thrust per unit area, by a comfortable margin (3 times that of a standard lifter e.g. Naudin's, 1.5 times that of