Re: [Vo]:vort messages Resent to: "undisclosed-recipients: ;"

2007-07-24 Thread Standing Bear
On Monday 02 July 2007 21:55, William Beaty wrote: > On Mon, 2 Jul 2007, Horace Heffner wrote: > > The vortex-l posts started to show up with Resent to: "undisclosed- > > recipients: ;" on June 28. I wonder who the "undisclosed- > > recipients: ;" are? > > Which messages? Not this one (for examp

Re: [Vo]:Anode glow and electron fugacity

2007-07-24 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 24, 2007, at 3:15 PM, R.C.Macaulay wrote: I am trying to reconcile the production of hydrogen these links describe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO15VGtKZo0&NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kKtKSEQBeI Good luck with that! This stuff is pretty old. Kind of strange nothin

Re: [Vo]:Anode glow and electron fugacity

2007-07-24 Thread Horace Heffner
I am trying to reconcile the production of hydrogen these links describe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO15VGtKZo0&NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kKtKSEQBeI OK, got the sound working. I'll check these out. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

Re: [Vo]:Re: Ed/Jed-Mitchell dispute (was Re: Requesting comments to this comment)

2007-07-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: >>> I >>> have told him a million times that if he supplies the paper in text Acrobat >>> format, I will upload it as is, without changing a single comma. > >What about text as images in Acrobat? That is what I call image Acrobat. I am not sure of the correct terminology. An

Re: [Vo]:Re: Ed/Jed-Mitchell dispute (was Re: Requesting comments to this comment)

2007-07-24 Thread Harry Veeder
> > - Original Message - > From: "Jed Rothwell" >> I >> have told him a million times that if he supplies the paper in text Acrobat >> format, I will upload it as is, without changing a single comma. What about text as images in Acrobat? Harry

Re: [Vo]:Anode glow and electron fugacity

2007-07-24 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 24, 2007, at 3:15 PM, R.C.Macaulay wrote: Horace wrote... Unnoticed in this this discussion is the possible importance of electron fugacity at the insulating barrier surface. On the other side of the barrier is the anode with its positive charge. The electrolyte on the opposed side of

Re: [Vo]:Anode glow and electron fugacity

2007-07-24 Thread R.C.Macaulay
Horace wrote... Unnoticed in this this discussion is the possible importance of electron fugacity at the insulating barrier surface. On the other side of the barrier is the anode with its positive charge. The electrolyte on the opposed side of the barrier, and possibly the surface of the barrie

Re: [Vo]:DGE, SC & LENR

2007-07-24 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 24, 2007, at 12:54 PM, Jones Beene wrote: Ha! yes, Yogi. Indeed the memory does fade in and out, these day. Before Michele corrects yer Franch, however, let's settle for deja vu all over again ... ...or was that a pun intended? That was just one of my typical blunders. It was in

[Vo]:Anode glow and electron fugacity

2007-07-24 Thread Horace Heffner
Much discussion has occurred here regarding electrolysis anode glow and free energy, possibly from cold fusion. See: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/BlueAEH.pdf http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/GlowExper.pdf http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/OrangeGlow.pdf http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffn

Re: [Vo]:DGE, SC & LENR

2007-07-24 Thread Jones Beene
Ha! yes, Yogi. Indeed the memory does fade in and out, these day. Before Michele corrects yer Franch, however, let's settle for deja vu all over again ... ...or was that a pun intended? Une journée sans fin, Jones Horace Heffner wrote: Yes, in the form of the 2e- boson, a very weekly b

Re: [Vo]:DGE, SC & LENR

2007-07-24 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 24, 2007, at 10:12 AM, Jones Beene wrote: [side note]...wonder if one might present the premise that the Cooper pair is the most basic form of degenerate electron ? Yes, in the form of the 2e- boson, a very weekly bound version. Deja vous! I think we had this discussion once Jo

Re: [Vo]:Re: Degenerate electrons, electron fugacity, and cold fusion

2007-07-24 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 24, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: I haven't followed this thread for lack of understanding of most of the concepts, is this a new explanation for CF you are proposing Horace? Yes, and a new approach to obtaining it, though it is based on a lot of prior thinking. A sh

Re: [Vo]:Re: Degenerate electrons, electron fugacity, and cold fusion

2007-07-24 Thread Horace Heffner
If sufficient electron and deuteron fugacity is achieved the probability of a 3 body tunneling reaction is energetically increased: D+ + e- + D+ ---> He++ + e- + energy D+ + e- + D+ ---> T+ + P + e- + energy This involves the simultaneous 2 body tunneling of an electron and deuteron to the

[Vo]:Re: OCR limitations

2007-07-24 Thread Michel Jullian
- Original Message - From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: OCR limitations > You don't understand "kibitz"? It is Yiddish: > > 1. To look on and offer unwanted, usually meddlesome advice to others. > 2. To chat; conver

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner wrote: A DC lighting system would be a lot better for integrating with solar, flow batteries, car chargers, etc. It might be handy for running PCs and some small appliances designed for DC as well. Arthur Clarke predicted the house with all-DC wiring in the novel "3001" as I

Re: [Vo]:Re: OCR limitations

2007-07-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michel Jullian wrote: > Third, if you spot an error, why haven't you informed me? I have, on this forum. I believe you corrected the error. Ah, I thought you found multiple errors. You said "in one of the maybe 10 papers." I mistook that for "one-tenth of the papers." > I realize > you

[Vo]:Re: Degenerate electrons, electron fugacity, and cold fusion

2007-07-24 Thread Michel Jullian
I haven't followed this thread for lack of understanding of most of the concepts, is this a new explanation for CF you are proposing Horace? A short summary for dummies would be most welcome, it might help others too. FWIW I agree dg is not a good abbreviation for degenerate electron, whatever

[Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-24 Thread Michel Jullian
Oh yes, it makes sense indeed! Michel - Original Message - From: "Horace Heffner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away? > > On Jul 24, 2007, at 9:46 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: > >> Good idea, plus no more e

[Vo]:DGE, SC & LENR

2007-07-24 Thread Jones Beene
Oops. Apologies for tossing out a really lame abbreviation DG, along with a succession of half-baked ideas and assorted misspellings this morning. I have now changed this to DGE, which is still lame, but saves a lot of typing. Haste makes waste, as they say. Thankfully, disk-based memory is ch

[Vo]:Re: OCR limitations

2007-07-24 Thread Michel Jullian
- Original Message - From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:44 PM Subject: [Vo]:OCR limitations >>In the near future image-to-text conversion software will probably >>be able to preserve exactly the visual aspect, so we will both have >>Hi Fi (tran

Re: [Vo]:OCR limitations

2007-07-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Second, I never OCR theory papers, or other papers with many formulas. In a few cases I OCRed papers and then added the formula as images. For example: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ChubbTAcoldfusion.pdf You can see that most of the equations are images. Talbot Chubb went over thi

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-24 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 24, 2007, at 9:46 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: Good idea, plus no more electrocution when replacing a bulb while standing in one's bath :) A DC lighting system would be a lot better for integrating with solar, flow batteries, car chargers, etc. It might be handy for running PCs an

RE: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jeff Fink wrote: I just bought 10 dimmable compact flourecents on ebay for $2.60 ea. We will soon find out how well that works. They were designed for this purpose. They should work okay, although I have found they are "all or nothing." As you turn the potentiometer they jump from very dim

[Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-24 Thread Michel Jullian
Good idea, plus no more electrocution when replacing a bulb while standing in one's bath :) I fail to see why electronics for LED bulbs should be less efficient than electronics for CFL, but admittedly I have no idea of what the latter consist in, or even if there are any inside, does anyone kn

[Vo]:OCR limitations

2007-07-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michel Jullian wrote: In the near future image-to-text conversion software will probably be able to preserve exactly the visual aspect, so we will both have Hi Fi (transcription visually indistinguishable from original) . . . I doubt it. I have purchased several OCR programs, including ones

Re: [Vo]:Nothing by Shoulders in ICCF10

2007-07-24 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 24, 2007, at 8:06 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: How outrageous! Oh, the horror, the horror, the heart of darkness! Arghh! I must get a grip. A fiction writer reading all the drama here of late could cobble together a sci-fi plot just from snippets. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonli

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-24 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 24, 2007, at 6:39 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: Talking about LED lights, they are very efficient too, last for ever, contain no strange vapors, and turn on instantly, aren't they a better replacement for incandescent than compact fluorescent? Theoretically they should be. About a year

[Vo]:Re: Nothing by Shoulders in ICCF10

2007-07-24 Thread Michel Jullian
- Original Message - From: "OrionWorks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nothing by Shoulders in ICCF10 ... > If the emperor were to be deposed I suspect he wouldn't mind it all > that much living out the rest of his "retirement" on a plush

Re: [Vo]:Re: Degenerate electrons, electron fugacity, and cold fusion

2007-07-24 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 24, 2007, at 5:28 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Horace is way ahead of most of us on the subject of degenerate electrons (dg). But very few observers have covered all the bases of how they and overpotential in general, relate to LENR... I'm not "way ahead" on the topic of degenerate electr

[Vo]:Re: Ed/Jed-Mitchell dispute (was Re: Requesting comments to this comment)

2007-07-24 Thread Michel Jullian
- Original Message - From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Ed/Jed-Mitchell dispute (was Re: Requesting comments to this comment) > Michel Jullian wrote: > >>But you do change the content's layout, as I was amazed to di

Re: [Vo]:Nothing by Shoulders in ICCF10

2007-07-24 Thread OrionWorks
Jed sez: ... Again I apologize to people who expect me to magically know about publications they keep secret. And I apologize to Michel Jullian because I have failed to read his mind and convert LENR-CANR to the exact format he desires. Apparently it must be sharply defined as either a library

Re: [Vo]:Nothing by Shoulders in ICCF10

2007-07-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: I just checked the printed ICCF10 proceedings. There are no papers by Shoulders. Did you exclude the Posters? I include whatever the authors want me to include. I have uploaded several PowerPoint slide collections from conferences. Poster material is awkward to upload bu

RE: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-24 Thread Jeff Fink
I just bought 10 dimmable compact flourecents on ebay for $2.60 ea. We will soon find out how well that works. Jeff -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:21 AM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple ye

Re: [Vo]:Nothing by Shoulders in ICCF10

2007-07-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: The LENR-CANR index lists 11 of Bass's papers, and we uploaded 4 papers that he send me, so obviously we are not censoring him. It lists 12 papers by Bass. One seems to be a duplicate. I just wrote to Bass asking him to clarify, and to send copies of any papers he wants me to upload

Re: [Vo]:Nothing by Shoulders in ICCF10

2007-07-24 Thread Jones Beene
Jed Rothwell wrote: I just checked the printed ICCF10 proceedings. There are no papers by Shoulders. Did you exclude the Posters? From: http://www.newenergytimes.com/ICCF10/iccf10ProgramDetail.htm Poster Th08 Ken Shoulders, "Low voltage nuclear transmutation"

[Vo]:Nothing by Shoulders in ICCF10

2007-07-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mitchell Swartz you wrote: 5) This censorship was first noticed when Storms/Rothwell even censored the TITLES of papers by Dr. Bass, Dr. Shoulders and myself (and others) of papers given at ICCF-10. Even the titles -- while they advertised their site as representing ICCF-10. That was outrage

[Vo]:DG, SC & LERN

2007-07-24 Thread Jones Beene
Apologies in advance for tossing out a succession of half-baked ideas this morning. There is more detail on the way, and several of these will be tied together in the end. Adjust your SPAM filters accordingly. Thorium deuteride is a MOST interesting compound. It is a superconductor. And of cou

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michel Jullian wrote: Talking about LED lights, they are very efficient too, last for ever, contain no strange vapors, and turn on instantly, aren't they a better replacement for incandescent than compact fluorescent? Yes, they are -- or they soon will be. At present, they are more expensive

Re: [Vo]:Re: Ed/Jed-Mitchell dispute (was Re: Requesting comments to this comment)

2007-07-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michel Jullian wrote: But you do change the content's layout, as I was amazed to discover once. Yes. It is impossible to preserve the layout from many papers. Also this scribe work introduces retranscription errors, I pointed one out to you recently. That is why I have the authors check t

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-24 Thread OrionWorks
On 7/24/07, Michel Jullian wrote: Talking about LED lights, they are very efficient too, last for ever, contain no strange vapors, and turn on instantly, aren't they a better replacement for incandescent than compact fluorescent? Michel A couple of days ago I bought my first LED flashlight f

[Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-24 Thread Michel Jullian
Talking about LED lights, they are very efficient too, last for ever, contain no strange vapors, and turn on instantly, aren't they a better replacement for incandescent than compact fluorescent? Michel - Original Message - From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, J

[Vo]:Ball Lightning & Degenerate Electrons

2007-07-24 Thread Jones Beene
"Ball Lightning & Degenerate Electrons" Has a nice ring to it. I had a hunch that there might be a connection. However a google search turns up little, on first blush, which is relevant. This one paper does mention both: "Helix String Model for Turbulent Vorticity and Cavitation in Shearing

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner wrote: Don't try using a "dimmer" control. " BI" its gone ! On the ones I have seen, the package warns against this. Also, most bulbs warn not to use them in enclosures like bathroom fan lights. (I suppose they overheat?) I've used them outside (also a no no) in sub-zer

RE: [Vo]:Re: Ed/Jed-Mitchell dispute (was Re: Requesting comments to this comment)?

2007-07-24 Thread OrionWorks
From Dr. Mitchell. Swartz ... Time again to get back to serious work. That certainly makes sense to me. Under the current circumstances does it not make sense to post whatever papers that have not been posted out at lenr-canr.org at your own web site? Is there a problem preventing you from

Re: [Vo]:Re: Degenerate electrons, electron fugacity, and cold fusion

2007-07-24 Thread Jones Beene
Horace is way ahead of most of us on the subject of degenerate electrons (dg). But very few observers have covered all the bases of how they and overpotential in general, relate to LENR... ...perhaps one way is through the evo phenomena. There is a wealth of material on the internet of course,

Re: [Vo]:Mirror Matter, SLC & "erzions"

2007-07-24 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 23, 2007, at 6:30 AM, Jones Beene wrote: --- Horace Heffner wrote: Mirror matter muons would not have the negative charge that ordinary muons do, and which catalyzes ordinary fusion. Yes... but wasn't your hypothesis that the two - normal matter and mirror matter might occasionally b

Re: [Vo]:Re: Degenerate electrons, electron fugacity, and cold fusion

2007-07-24 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 24, 2007, at 3:56 AM, Horace Heffner wrote: I wrote: "Maybe instead of being made of metal the serrated edge disk could be an electrolyte, or anhydrous ammonia, made with D2O and ND3." I meant: "Maybe instead of being made of metal the serrated edge disk could be an electrolyte, mad

Re: [Vo]:Re: Degenerate electrons, electron fugacity, and cold fusion

2007-07-24 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 23, 2007, at 6:38 PM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Now if this door-knob cap. happens to be made of e.g. nickel, and furthermore is already saturated with Hydrogen, then fireworks may ensue. :) I keep thinking maybe it is possible to build up a resonant electron fluid dynamic in lo

[Vo]:Re: Ed/Jed-Mitchell dispute (was Re: Requesting comments to this comment)

2007-07-24 Thread Michel Jullian
- Original Message - From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Ed/Jed-Mitchell dispute (was Re: Requesting comments to this comment) > In my opinion, changing the format to text Acrobat is not > "tampering." This is analo